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Title: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: killnoizer on April 23, 2025, 01:47:35 PM
This is the very old Ju 388 AIRMODEL Vacu Kit, the fuselage should be completed with the old Matchbox Kit of the 188 , a kit that is one of the finest on my ever made list.  :thumbsup:

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So i started with some additional parts of sheet in one side of the fuselage ( it would be better to do that at both sides as i found out later ).

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Today i did step two and cut the parts out
and start the sanding job.

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I'm not shure what kind of engines to build for this, maybe some reverse rotating twin props with very big blades and open spinner.

I had the luck to find some of the original Matchbox Kits.  I don't know why they are so easy to get here, it's a phantastic box Art and a real nice kit i think.

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Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: Wardukw on April 23, 2025, 02:56:52 PM
As a lover of Junkers twins Herr Noizer mate I'll be keeping a good eye on this πŸ˜‰ πŸ‘
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: killnoizer on April 23, 2025, 03:25:36 PM
mmmhhh, and what do you think about a four engine Junkers ?
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 23, 2025, 03:41:00 PM
I just built one.  ;D 

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/608/ZB7Gvu.jpg)
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: killnoizer on April 23, 2025, 10:40:29 PM
OK, this is made very well, so i have to discover something else ...  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: Wardukw on April 23, 2025, 11:42:17 PM
Quote from: killnoizer on April 23, 2025, 10:40:29 PMOK, this is made very well, so i have to discover something else ...  :thumbsup:


πŸ˜† 🀣
I was gonna say Kit just built one but he neat me to it  ;D
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: Rick Lowe on April 24, 2025, 01:48:39 AM
Nothing says you can't do one yourself.
Maybe change the engines; perhaps a jet version?

Then paint it as a night bomber, just so's it's a bit different?
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: killnoizer on April 24, 2025, 08:37:03 AM
Something like this.... I think a combi of that would be very good. πŸ˜ƒ

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Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 24, 2025, 09:25:42 AM
Oh yeah.  :thumbsup:

Someone suggested that prop layout for my Ju 588, but with those HUMUNGUOUS radiators on the front of the DB 610s it didn't really need it.
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: Rick Lowe on April 24, 2025, 01:00:54 PM
Yes, those would combine very well.  :thumbsup:
I still like that build of Dizzys'.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: killnoizer on April 24, 2025, 04:29:08 PM
I have glued some additional stripes of sheet in the middle, so the parts can be fixed together very easy and adjusted to the correct measure.



Unfortunately i made a big mistake with the clear parts and ordered a replacement  :banghead: 

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Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: killnoizer on April 24, 2025, 11:29:52 PM
I did some research in my spare parts yard and found the perfect spinners for the engines.
They are 11,5 mm big, the original diameter is only 7mm  :thumbsup:  .

These droptanks at the left will be a good material to make the spinners

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They will fit perfect in the rings at the front.

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Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: killnoizer on April 25, 2025, 04:59:26 AM
I have some pieces of the italeri 188 kit left, so i can use the complete rear wings and the wheels who are much bigger + better than the funny Matchbox things  ( green ) ...

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Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: Wardukw on April 25, 2025, 12:15:30 PM
See now..i knew this was gonna be well worth watching πŸ‘€ πŸ‘Œ πŸ˜‰
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: Old Wombat on April 26, 2025, 03:37:33 AM
Quote from: killnoizer on April 25, 2025, 04:59:26 AMIMG_20250425_135629.jpg

I find the lower right corner of this photo intriguing; MADE IN XXXXX  :unsure:

Who do they think they're kidding?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: zenrat on April 26, 2025, 04:18:02 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on April 26, 2025, 03:37:33 AMI find the lower right corner of this photo intriguing; MADE IN XXXXX  :unsure:

Who do they think they're kidding?  :rolleyes:

I think that said ENGLAND before the man with the die grinder got to it.
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: Old Wombat on April 26, 2025, 05:22:29 AM
Quote from: zenrat on April 26, 2025, 04:18:02 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on April 26, 2025, 03:37:33 AMI find the lower right corner of this photo intriguing; MADE IN XXXXX  :unsure:

Who do they think they're kidding?  :rolleyes:

I think that said ENGLAND before the man with the die grinder got to it.

Far too short. My money's on CHINA (the barely visible bits of the letters seem to match).
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: zenrat on April 26, 2025, 05:42:56 AM
But these later releases were being openly made in China.  Why would they hide that?
My money is on that originally saying where they were being made BEFORE the moulds were sent to China.
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: Old Wombat on April 26, 2025, 06:13:09 AM
Quote from: zenrat on April 26, 2025, 05:42:56 AMBut these later releases were being openly made in China.  Why would they hide that?
My money is on that originally saying where they were being made BEFORE the moulds were sent to China.

Only other option that I can think of that might fit is INDIA.  :unsure:
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: zenrat on April 26, 2025, 06:15:45 AM
One of us needs to buy an original release Matchbox Ju 188 in order to see where it was made...
 :o
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: zenrat on April 26, 2025, 06:49:19 AM
Or, look on Evil-Bay.

This is the back of the original release box.  Note bottom left.

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/TtgAAOSwagVnz3hy/s-l1600.png)

But I can't find any sprue shots of an original release kit which clearly shows the relevant area.
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: Old Wombat on April 26, 2025, 09:15:47 AM
Well, having found these images (not the same sprues but showing similar signs of alteration) , I can only assume that the sprues that killnoizer has are at least 3rd gen

1st image showing MADE IN ENGLAND
(https://www.modellversium.de/kit/bilder/1/0/3/13103-210684.jpg)

2nd image showing alterations to the "MADE IN ..." panel similar to killnoizer's but they've taken out "MADE" & the location (which is much shorter than the "ENGLAND" in the above image.
(https://www.kitreviewsonline.de/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Matchbox-Ju-188-20.jpg)

And obvious signs that the MADE IN ENGLAND was removed much more professionally.


Weird, but there you go!

In 1982, Lesney Products & Co. Ltd. sold the scale model arm to Universal Holdings/Universal Toys of Hong Kong, who moved the Matchbox brand and tooling to Macau.
In 1991 Tyco bought Matchbox but weren't interested in the plastic model end, Revell Germany bought the rights to the Matchbox molds.
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: zenrat on April 27, 2025, 06:32:22 AM
I found images of a later generation Matchbox box with "printed in Germany" on it.  No mention of where the actual contents were made though.



Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: Freightdog862 on April 30, 2025, 03:10:12 AM
Quote from: zenrat on April 27, 2025, 06:32:22 AMI found images of a later generation Matchbox box with "printed in Germany" on it.  No mention of where the actual contents were made though.


Some where definitely made in China, but later production was I think in Poland? When Matchbox parts are in a Revell box it normally says where they are made. I don't think the Ju188 was released in a Revell box though.

Colin
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: zenrat on April 30, 2025, 05:30:23 AM
I've had a couple of "Matchbox" kits which left a Chinese (or maybe Macau or Hong Kong) factory through the back door.  The boxes and instructions were matchbox clones with Chinese script.  They had dry rub transfers, some missing locator pins, some flash, and tiny metal tubes of glue.
They were a Wessex and a MysterΓ©.  The MysterΓ© was unbuildable.
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: killnoizer on May 01, 2025, 10:30:53 AM
:thumbsup:

Back to the main topic, today i have the fun to cut out the new clear parts and try to get them together with the cockpit section. Not easy , i have to push some corners in shape but don't know which way to do that. 

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Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: George the Cat on May 01, 2025, 11:23:04 AM
Well done killnoizer!  :thumbsup: l have a early Special Hobby Ju388K/L in the stash with a dud canopy. Going to go in the opposite direction and work an Italeri Ju188 canopy on to the 388. Mine will be done as a night bomber I think.
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 01, 2025, 12:37:26 PM
That doesn't look an easy job at all! Is the canopy vacformed as well?
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: killnoizer on May 01, 2025, 01:17:38 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on May 01, 2025, 12:37:26 PMThat doesn't look an easy job at all! Is the canopy vacformed as well?

Yes, sadly ...  That is the hardest part i think, and i want to build another one.
The clear plastic is made of strange Material, not made for sanding the edges πŸ˜΅οΏ½πŸ’«
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 01, 2025, 02:06:19 PM
Ouch, that's NO fun! :(
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: killnoizer on May 04, 2025, 05:07:49 PM
Forming the canopy is tested, and went good so far  :thumbsup:

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Just a candle and the back of a cup to change the form will do the job.

Left side is the correct shape with narrow edges, on the right is the original part :

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The main project will be original, but i invent some double props and air vented spinners.

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Those props fit perfect into the engines 😎
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 04, 2025, 11:06:42 PM
That's incredible work on the canopy!  :o

Rather you than me!
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: Wardukw on May 05, 2025, 12:20:21 AM
Custom modified CLEAR PARTS !!!
I second Kits comment Herr Noizer mate  ;D  ;D
Very nicely done βœ”οΈ πŸ‘
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: killnoizer on May 05, 2025, 12:45:44 AM
Clear parts are my Waterloo in scale building 😡 after a couple of other lost battles...

Maybe the spinners are a bit to long , i am to lazy for a change of them ( today ).
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: Pellson on May 05, 2025, 12:59:19 AM
Speechless as far as the candles vs canopies goes. And mortally impressed.  :wub:
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: killnoizer on May 06, 2025, 12:55:11 PM
Hey, that works very good . I was realy surprised .

Yesterday i fixed the wings together, added some big air intakes on the engines and place some putty on the fuselage.

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Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: killnoizer on May 07, 2025, 01:10:55 AM
Early morning and a new idea !

I build a high precision tool at the kitchen table to engrave straight lines into the spinner caps.
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It's a hardcover of the fellowship of the ring  :thumbsup:

Nothing can go wrong if you have that book with you,  and so the lines came out very good at the first coffee in the morning ( free day after two very hard days ).
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Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: Old Wombat on May 07, 2025, 01:17:21 AM
Innovation at its finest!  ;D  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: killnoizer on May 07, 2025, 02:11:46 AM
...and proper use of resources  :wub:
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 07, 2025, 02:13:14 AM
VERY clever, I can tell you're an engineer.  ;D
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: zenrat on May 07, 2025, 04:44:32 AM
Multi adjustable - just make a note of which page you used for which build.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: kerick on May 07, 2025, 02:46:32 PM
If I tried that candle bit it would have caught fire! But that's just me!
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: killnoizer on May 07, 2025, 11:01:11 PM
Quote from: kerick on May 07, 2025, 02:46:32 PMIf I tried that candle bit it would have caught fire! But that's just me!

You are absolutely correct, the candle must be burning to do the job  :thumbsup: 

Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: Rick Lowe on May 07, 2025, 11:07:01 PM
Nicely done.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: buzzbomb on May 08, 2025, 12:13:06 AM
great solution for the scribing... all the major parts are coming along nicely  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: killnoizer on May 17, 2025, 03:23:09 PM
This evening i did a lot of sanding and work on the main part of the cancel.
Soften the clear part with the candle and cool it down on metal.

Good tools are to see in the picture πŸ˜΅οΏ½πŸ’«
.

Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: 63cpe on May 18, 2025, 12:06:33 AM
Ehm, maybe a bit late to the party but I have vacuum formed reproductions canopies for 1/72 ju-288 and -388 available. The plastic is the non-yellowing type.

David aka 63CPE
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: killnoizer on May 29, 2025, 10:56:59 AM
Quote from: 63cpe on May 18, 2025, 12:06:33 AMEhm, maybe a bit late to the party but I have vacuum formed reproductions canopies for 1/72 ju-288 and -388 available. The plastic is the non-yellowing type.

David aka 63CPE

I have one in spare, thank you  :thumbsup:
but maybe you can show us some pictures?

Today i put the spinner parts together on a base plate of sheet, they fit exactly in the engines and i glued them together.

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I found some props left over from a He 111z and cut the blades off.

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The engines and the spinners together will be good to handle for the following work...
Title: Re: Ju 388 vacu kit
Post by: Rick Lowe on May 29, 2025, 10:21:53 PM
Cool - coming along nicely. :thumbsup: