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Title: another Luft '46 project
Post by: 63cpe on February 18, 2024, 04:18:01 AM
Started this as an experiment to check whether the wings and engines of a Horten H0-229 could be extended in a four engine swallow shaped wing. It's going to be cut in the middle and put on a luft '46 fuselage ( still experimenting with shape of fuselage incl a 1/48 BV-141 tailboom).

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So the answer: is yes it can be done. The part in the middle is an Ho-229 B (PM Model) and the outer engines and wing are Ho-229 A ( also PM model).

Cheers,
David aka 63CPE
Title: Re: another Luft '46 project
Post by: Dizzyfugu on February 18, 2024, 04:22:30 AM
Nice idea.  :thumbsup:

Makes me wonder about a similar build made from the much better Revell Go 229? Hmmm....  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: another Luft '46 project
Post by: chrisonord on February 18, 2024, 06:10:39 AM
I shall be following this with interest David.
Title: Re: another Luft '46 project
Post by: 63cpe on February 18, 2024, 06:34:23 AM
Some pictures front and top. See the staggered position I wanted to create, like a Myasischev M4.

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David aka 63CPE

Title: Re: another Luft '46 project
Post by: Vulcan7 on February 18, 2024, 09:02:25 AM
Four engines look very good  :mellow:  :mellow:  :mellow:  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: another Luft '46 project
Post by: zenrat on February 20, 2024, 02:01:16 AM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: another Luft '46 project
Post by: Dizzyfugu on February 20, 2024, 02:29:03 AM
Nice. With a smaller cockpit this would work well as a scale-o-rama-ed 1:144 Nurflügler bomber?

I might seriosuly steal that four-egine idea, it looks really good.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: another Luft '46 project
Post by: 63cpe on February 21, 2024, 09:27:04 AM
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on February 20, 2024, 02:29:03 AMNice. With a smaller cockpit this would work well as a scale-o-rama-ed 1:144 Nurflügler bomber?

I might seriosuly steal that four-egine idea, it looks really good.  :thumbsup:
:thumbsup:  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:

You're welcome Dizzy. Note that the engine/ducts in the PM Model Ho-229 V7 are a little longer than the Ho-229 A, giving that nice staggered effect. As I went on with the 4 engined version I also bought some Revell Ho-229's.....

David
Title: Re: another Luft '46 project
Post by: Dizzyfugu on February 21, 2024, 11:50:34 PM
I will probably try to mash two Revell Go 229s together, some day. Idea is a fast bomber (could be a 1000x1000x1000 profile contender) with a closed bomb bay behind the cokpit (maybe modded for a crew of two?), a revised landing gear with a different front wheel arrangement, and slightly extended overall to blend the trailing edge(s) together. Engine fairings will be a challenge, but probably nothing that some PSR could not mend.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: another Luft '46 project
Post by: 63cpe on February 22, 2024, 01:05:26 PM
Brilliant plan and seems very doable. I like the 1000x1000x1000 concept you plan to build. It could be an 1/144 project, but just like you I plan to use it in a 1000x1000x1000 concept aswell but in 1/72.
I plan to combine both Ho-229 engines annex wings, upgrade the intake and exhaust with home made resin copies of Me-262 intake and exhausts, fill the trailing edge and cut the middle fuselage in half. Both wings plus engines a will be put on a 1/48 Ar 234 fuselage (extended by combining two fuselages) or a 1/48 Bv-141 fuselage-tail section with a vacuumed canopy (parabol shaped) and a V-tail.




Title: Re: another Luft '46 project
Post by: su27rules on February 24, 2024, 07:31:40 AM
Nice idea!!   :mellow:  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: another Luft '46 project
Post by: 63cpe on April 07, 2024, 02:25:09 PM
Weekend update:

The seperate parts of the hortens got cleaned in the laste weeks. To make the intakes look a little more interesting, some turbine faces were found ( home made resin). Same goes for the exhaust. The parts shown are copies of F-18 exhausts. they fit quite well in width of the humps giving the hint of buried engines. To make the exhausts interesting aswell, I'll put some tubing behind the resin F-18 exhausts and do a resin spike cut to length in the tube. The resin spikes I made are in the upper right hand side in the picture below.

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David 63CPE
Title: Re: another Luft '46 project
Post by: 63cpe on May 05, 2024, 02:34:49 PM
Weekend update:

I wasn't really happy with the turbine faces, so I changed them to 1/48 Horten Ho-229's. Also put spikes in the exhausts got it all assembled and puttied all gaps and cuts.

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Next up is some PSR-ing.

David aka 63CPE
Title: Re: another Luft '46 project
Post by: 63cpe on May 05, 2024, 02:36:45 PM
And another luft '46 project on the table is this Arado ( probably)...

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Cheers,
David aka 63CPE
Title: Re: another Luft '46 project
Post by: Wardukw on May 05, 2024, 06:46:22 PM
I'm liking what's going on here David mate  ;D
Title: Re: another Luft '46 project
Post by: Dizzyfugu on May 06, 2024, 12:14:48 AM
Neat!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: another Luft '46 project
Post by: su27rules on May 06, 2024, 01:24:02 AM
 :mellow:  :mellow:  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: another Luft '46 project
Post by: NARSES2 on May 06, 2024, 07:20:02 AM
Couple of interesting projects  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: another Luft '46 project
Post by: loupgarou on May 06, 2024, 12:29:32 PM
Interesting beast.
The exhaust is under the tail?
The nose looks like the venerable Lindberg Ar 234, I cannot identify the wings, what's their origin?
Title: Re: another Luft '46 project
Post by: 63cpe on May 06, 2024, 01:36:50 PM
Quote from: loupgarou on May 06, 2024, 12:29:32 PMInteresting beast.
The exhaust is under the tail?
The nose looks like the venerable Lindberg Ar 234, I cannot identify the wings, what's their origin?

Exhaust will be under the tail. You're right the fuselage is a shortened Lindberg Ar-234. The wing are from an Macchi MB 326.

What your opinion on the 4 engines Horten?
Title: Re: another Luft '46 project
Post by: Captain Canada on May 06, 2024, 03:05:31 PM
Wow ! This is looking really neat ! I love the look of the little guy.
Title: Re: another Luft '46 project
Post by: loupgarou on May 07, 2024, 12:06:58 AM
Quote from: 63cpe on May 06, 2024, 01:36:50 PM
Quote from: loupgarou on May 06, 2024, 12:29:32 PMInteresting beast.
The exhaust is under the tail?
The nose looks like the venerable Lindberg Ar 234, I cannot identify the wings, what's their origin?

Exhaust will be under the tail. You're right the fuselage is a shortened Lindberg Ar-234. The wing are from an Macchi MB 326.

What your opinion on the 4 engines Horten?

Aaargh! I should have recognized the MB 326 wings!
The 4 engined Horten is very good, but you have a difficult PSR job in front of you. What will you do for the tail?
Cut the external wings shorter or add more plastic to lenghten the central part?
Title: Re: another Luft '46 project
Post by: zenrat on May 07, 2024, 04:16:52 AM
Quote from: 63cpe on May 06, 2024, 01:36:50 PM...What your opinion on the 4 engines Horten?

Batplane.  Paint it Black and Red...   :mellow:
Title: Re: another Luft '46 project
Post by: 63cpe on May 08, 2024, 03:59:06 AM
Yeah, there is a lot of PSR-ing to be done to the Horten. Meanwhile the tail section is filled with some plasticard and putty. Now there is even more standing to be done..

I bought an Ar-234 cockpit upgrade set to install in the "little guy" and proceed to installing the exhaust.

@zenrat, nice suggestions. Maybe do another one in batplane guise.
I do have some other, more drastic plans for this one. I'll cut it to end up with two wings and two engines each. Both wings will be put on a 1/48 bv-141 tail/engine boom. Front of the tail boom will be a transparent parabol like canopy.

David aka 63CPE
Title: Re: another Luft '46 project
Post by: 63cpe on June 30, 2024, 12:21:38 AM
Time for an update of the work in progress:

First a split between "the little guy" now baptized into Arado E.530: The maingear from an Mb.326 was tacked on to it but needed it for the suddenly emerging Fouga CTL project. So a rummage in the undercarriage bin got me a Meteor main gear and an Airfix Lightning nosegear. I didn't like the wonky, but original, Lindberg Ar 234 nose gear and the meteor gear was a tad longer anyway. So off with the Ar234 leg and a slightly shortened Lightning gear was on it resulting in a horizontal sit.

The black spots is paint to fill small pockets in the filler. It'll be sanded out and it's off to the paintbooth. I plan to do it in a late ww2 mottled RLM 81, 82 83 combi.

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Cheers,
David aka 63CPE
Title: Re: another Luft '46 project
Post by: UhuFin on July 27, 2024, 02:08:20 PM
Very cool ideas! ;D