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Title: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: seadude on September 24, 2023, 01:11:42 PM
An idea I've had for several months now. But not sure if the color scheme will work?
I picked up an old 1/72 scale AMT/Ertl SV-22 Osprey model kit in a US Navy proposed anti-submarine configuration.
The US Navy never did turn the Osprey into an anti-submarine hunter variant. :(
But anyway, I was thinking of painting it in the old retro WWII colors of the PBJ-1H/J B-25 Mitchell variants which
I think were white underside, intermediate blue sides, and a dark sea blue top.
Here are some PBJ examples to show the color schemes:
http://www.arcair.com/Gal6/5901-6000/gal5921-PBJ-1H-Mucaro/00.shtm
http://www.arcair.com/Gal16/15601-15700/gal15631-PBJ-1J-Langley/00.shtm
Would such schemes be ok for my SV-22 model or should I switch to something else? What do you think?
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: Pellson on September 24, 2023, 01:20:00 PM
As an in-service machine, that scheme seems unlikely, but for a display Osprey - why not?
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 24, 2023, 01:52:47 PM
That three-colour USN scheme is my absolute FAVE USN scheme, go for it!  :thumbsup:

I liked it so much I painted my dining room in that scheme in my first Derby house. And the sitting room was done in IJN bomber scheme of green and orange.  ;D

My then wife, not the late Mrs_PR19,  never figured out what the schemes were actually..................  ;)
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: kerick on September 24, 2023, 07:24:15 PM
Quote from: Pellson on September 24, 2023, 01:20:00 PMAs an in-service machine, that scheme seems unlikely, but for a display Osprey - why not?

There you go! A commemorative scheme celebrating XX years of something something.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: kerick on September 24, 2023, 07:38:16 PM
According to the VMB-613 website the squadron was formed 80 years ago so that should work.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: McColm on September 25, 2023, 12:07:06 AM
Good idea go for it, I changed the lifting engines for a pair of turbofans and added the pivoting radar from the Sea King ASaC.7/AEW then painted the model in gunship acrylic grey. I just have to buy some decals and it will be finished.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 25, 2023, 12:29:25 AM
A while back the USN painted a number of aircraft in various historic schemes, and that three-colour scheme was used on quite a few of them. That makes your idea perfectly acceptable I'd say.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: Nick on September 25, 2023, 06:49:50 AM
That would look brilliant! I have that same kit but either the artwork is different or I'm getting confused with a magazine drawing - it has a V-22 dropping a torpedo or sonar.

I've actually collected various blue/grey/white camo schemes with a view to using them on my V-22. Toys, t-shirt patterns, camo gear etc.
This explains why I have a spraycan of USN Dark Blue in my stash. I'd forgotten why till last week  ;D
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 25, 2023, 06:58:20 AM
The middle colour's actually a blue, it's Intermediate Blue in USN parlance IIRC.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: Dizzyfugu on September 25, 2023, 07:45:14 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on September 25, 2023, 06:58:20 AMThe middle colour's actually a blue, it's Intermediate Blue in USN parlance IIRC.

FS 35164 ^^
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: jcf on September 25, 2023, 09:07:30 AM
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on September 25, 2023, 07:45:14 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on September 25, 2023, 06:58:20 AMThe middle colour's actually a blue, it's Intermediate Blue in USN parlance IIRC.

FS 35164 ^^
Stated as the official equivalent to ANA 608, but FS 16187 is actually a closer match in terms of the actual colour.
;)
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: kerick on September 25, 2023, 03:26:48 PM
Until they faded after a long deployment in the tropics!
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: sandiego89 on September 25, 2023, 06:00:57 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on September 25, 2023, 12:29:25 AMA while back the USN painted a number of aircraft in various historic schemes, and that three-colour scheme was used on quite a few of them. That makes your idea perfectly acceptable I'd say.

There were some great schemes for the Centennial of Naval Aviation @2011

https://www.airliners.net/photo-albums/view/Centennial-of-Naval-Aviation-100th-Anniversary-Paint-Schemes/24947
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: kerick on September 25, 2023, 07:55:21 PM
Nice set of photos. Thanks!
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: jcf on September 26, 2023, 10:28:29 AM
Seeing as the 3-colour scheme was standard across types you could pick a former bomber, torpedo or ASW squadron for an ASW V-22. 

VS-24 was an S-3 operator that was originally formed in 1943 as VB-17 using the Curtiss SB2C.
Aircraft operated over the years were the Grumman Guardian, Grumman S-2 Tracker and the Lockheed S-3. It was disestablished in 2007 with retirement of the S-3. You could have it being reformed with your ASW SV-22.

VS-24 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/VS-24)
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: jcf on September 26, 2023, 10:30:08 AM
Quote from: kerick on September 24, 2023, 07:38:16 PMAccording to the VMB-613 website the squadron was formed 80 years ago so that should work.
An ASW SV-22 wouldn't be operated by a USMC squadron. 
;)
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: Joe C-P on September 26, 2023, 02:06:36 PM
Oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please!   :wub:

I was going to build such an SV-22, though not in such a lovely scheme, and you doing it will satisfy that unscratched itch.

JoeCP
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: seadude on October 17, 2023, 10:43:39 AM
One thing I forgot to mention for this model idea project is the following: Where do I put the sonobuoy system?
Almost all anti-sub aircraft or helicopters have a section located on the aircraft for dropping sonobuoys.
The SH-60 Seahawk usually has a section on the left and/or right sides of the helicopter for carrying up to 25 sonobuoys.
And the old S-3 Viking had a section on the rear underside of the aircraft for carrying up to 50-60 sonobuoys.
So where the heck do I fit one on an SV-22 Osprey? Sample pics of the model kit instructions are below.
And secondly, do I leave the rear cargo ramp door open or closed? There's no interior cargo hold detail whatsoever inside the fuselage.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: jcf on October 17, 2023, 12:51:38 PM
It already has openings through the belly for the external cargo hooks, reuse one of those bays for the sonobuoy tubes?

The rear ramp would be very handy for reloading expendables like the sonobuoys.
Pre-loaded modules that are swapped out?

Also you have a lot of internal space to work with:

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-BehgKvDbxzc%2FUCjGyWw173I%2FAAAAAAAABX8%2FgEAEmJ9i2Zw%2Fs1600%2Fv_22newapplicationscod_527.gif&hash=6480b6c4b078779cbe58d40f77328af7d1b31023)
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: seadude on October 17, 2023, 01:28:13 PM
Quote from: jcf on October 17, 2023, 12:51:38 PMIt already has openings through the belly for the external cargo hooks, reuse one of those bays for the sonobuoy tubes?

The rear ramp would be very handy for reloading expendables like the sonobuoys.
Pre-loaded modules that are swapped out?

Also you have a lot of internal space to work with:

In one of the pics I posted which shows Part 21C (Retrieval Hook), I will not use that and will be using that spot instead for a dipping sonar system.
There's not as much internal space as you think. It's only a 1/72 scale model. A lot smaller than 1/48.
And I would also need to find a spot somewhere on the outside of the aircraft for a magnetic anomoly detector which is a small red and yellow colored piece of equipment that is carried by SH-60 Seahawks.
And last but not least, I'd also have to add a circular APS-124 radar system under the nose/belly of the aircraft. This system is also shown/used on anti-sub Seahawks.
Anyway, the interior hold of the Osprey is going to get awfully crowded considering I'd also need to add the console displays, chairs, and other bits of equipment.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: McColm on October 18, 2023, 05:45:19 AM
Having flown aboard the Lockheed Martin P-3C with the USNAVY during a NATO Exercise back in 1995, they load the sonorbouys into tubes from the outside, where as the Royal Air Force carry a mixture on board, then launch them inside at the rear of the Nimrod or P-8.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: Scotaidh on October 26, 2023, 09:51:55 AM
Looking at the COD Osprey made me wonder if it a) had ever been tried; and b) is it even feasible to do LAPES on a carrier?  Instead of a drag chute they could use a hook trailed out of the ramp ... they'd know they had to try again if the load stayed onboard ...
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 26, 2023, 12:58:08 PM
An extra limiting factor with doing a LAPES drop with an Osprey would be the extra height it would have to fly at so the prop/rotor tips didn't hit the deck. They're BIG!
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: jcf on October 26, 2023, 07:16:56 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 26, 2023, 12:58:08 PMAn extra limiting factor with doing a LAPES drop with an Osprey would be the extra height it would have to fly at so the prop/rotor tips didn't hit the deck. They're BIG!
They'd do it with the rotors tilted up to 45°, the position used for rolling STOL take-off and landing. 
It's also been used while testing forward firing weapons.

(https://i1.wp.com/www.defensemedianetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/V-22-rocket-firing.jpg?resize=720%2C480&ssl=1)
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: seadude on December 15, 2023, 01:26:00 PM
Question time. ;)
Going back to these two links here and looking at the pictures of both models:
http://www.arcair.com/Gal6/5901-6000/gal5921-PBJ-1H-Mucaro/00.shtm
http://www.arcair.com/Gal16/15601-15700/gal15631-PBJ-1J-Langley/00.shtm
.............there's like a feathered/blurred edge between the dark sea blue color and the intermediate blue color. Same between the intermediate blue and the white.
I don't own an airbrush and can't use one for various reasons that would help create that feathered edge between colors.
So what other options are there to create that feathered/blurred edge?
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: kerick on December 15, 2023, 01:50:00 PM
I've heard of using a trimmed down brush and a stipple technique. I think it would have to be a very fine bristle brush. Never tried it myself so test it out and see what you get.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: NARSES2 on December 19, 2023, 05:47:39 AM
I've had some success with this type of edge in the past by allowing the darker to colour to virtually dry and then using a dry brush to very gently drag it downwards.   Not perfect by any means but with care it will pass.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 19, 2023, 06:04:42 AM
I create such blurred edges with a flat brush with synthtic fibres and only very little paiunt on the tips, almost as dry-brushing, and working from the dark into the light tone.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: Scotaidh on December 23, 2023, 02:58:48 AM
I've done the "cut-off brush and stabbing with it" method, with mixed results.  By which I mean, at the time I wasn't enthusiastic about the result, but since all subsequent attempts yielded nothing better, over time I've come to accept it.

I mostly used it on German aircraft (109 & 190) fuselages, working down from the upper surfaces. 
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: zenrat on December 23, 2023, 04:29:35 AM
Would an anti submarine Osprey drop weapons on a submarine or would it just crash on top of it?
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: NARSES2 on December 23, 2023, 05:36:31 AM
Quote from: zenrat on December 23, 2023, 04:29:35 AMWould an anti submarine Osprey drop weapons on a submarine or would it just crash on top of it?

Tut - tut  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: Scotaidh on December 24, 2023, 02:48:42 AM
Quote from: zenrat on December 23, 2023, 04:29:35 AMWould an anti submarine Osprey drop weapons on a submarine or would it just crash on top of it?

So long as the sub is destroyed, since an Osprey is cheaper than a sub it's still a good trade
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: seadude on June 06, 2024, 09:24:27 AM
Quote from: seadude on December 15, 2023, 01:26:00 PMQuestion time. ;)
Going back to these two links here and looking at the pictures of both models:
http://www.arcair.com/Gal6/5901-6000/gal5921-PBJ-1H-Mucaro/00.shtm
http://www.arcair.com/Gal16/15601-15700/gal15631-PBJ-1J-Langley/00.shtm
.............there's like a feathered/blurred edge between the dark sea blue color and the intermediate blue color. Same between the intermediate blue and the white.
I don't own an airbrush and can't use one for various reasons that would help create that feathered edge between colors.
So what other options are there to create that feathered/blurred edge?

Earlier on Page 2 of this thread, I had mentioned the above quoted post.
I've recently begun to think about the following:
The V-22 I have is 1/72 scale. If it were 1/48, 1/32, or larger, the feathered edges between colors would be needed and noticeable.
But as a model aircraft gets smaller (1/72, 1/144, etc.), I have to wonder if the feathered edges are really necessary? Would they still be noticeable? Probably if you're using a magnifying glass to look at the model, but not so much if you're standing far away.
So I've been giving thought to if I should still add them on a 1/72 scale aircraft?
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: kerick on June 06, 2024, 07:04:29 PM
I've seen RW aircraft where the feathered edge was hard to see at much of a distance. I say don't worry about it. Just give it your best you can and I'm sure it will be fine.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: Beermonster58 on June 07, 2024, 01:52:58 AM
Quote from: seadude on December 15, 2023, 01:26:00 PMQuestion time. ;)
Going back to these two links here and looking at the pictures of both models:
http://www.arcair.com/Gal6/5901-6000/gal5921-PBJ-1H-Mucaro/00.shtm
http://www.arcair.com/Gal16/15601-15700/gal15631-PBJ-1J-Langley/00.shtm
.............there's like a feathered/blurred edge between the dark sea blue color and the intermediate blue color. Same between the intermediate blue and the white.
I don't own an airbrush and can't use one for various reasons that would help create that feathered edge between colors.
So what other options are there to create that feathered/blurred edge?

Not being sarcastic or anything but, why even bother? Why not just opt for a hard edge instead. Much simpler ;)  <. In any case, would a "feathered" edge really be all that prominent in a small scale? Certainly, it would look very smart whichever option you choose.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: kerick on July 06, 2024, 09:05:25 PM
Any progress on this interesting project?
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: sandiego89 on July 07, 2024, 07:52:17 AM
I'd go for a Japanese version, fantastic blues on some of their modern aircraft. 
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: kerick on July 07, 2024, 09:18:27 AM
Now that's an interesting idea!
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: seadude on July 07, 2024, 10:59:44 AM
Quote from: kerick on July 06, 2024, 09:05:25 PMAny progress on this interesting project?

Nothing currently.

Quote from: sandiego89 on July 07, 2024, 07:52:17 AMI'd go for a Japanese version, fantastic blues on some of their modern aircraft. 

I've seen a Japanese version. Picture below. It's nice, but my heart is really set on doing an American version instead with a retro WW2 PBJ-1H/J blue Navy or Marine Corps scheme.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: seadude on December 01, 2024, 12:12:16 PM
Getting back to this topic..............
I've already contacted a Mod to eventually have it moved into the AIRCRAFT sub-group in the Current & Finished Builds forum.
And now...........
Not really liking this very old kit.  :banghead:  :banghead:  :banghead:
Badly fitting parts.
Poor instructions.
Lousy detail on the parts.
Is this always the case with AMT/Ertl kits?  :o
Can't say I like the choice of the parts being molded in a silver/gray plastic. Who the hell thought that up?  :o
But...........I'm going to try and finish this model to the best of my ability. Specifications are still the same such as painting it in a retro PBJ-1H/J WW2 scheme.
The model will be built pretty much straight from the box except for the color scheme.
I really don't have the money or other resources to spend on detailing and improving this kit.

(https://i.imgur.com/ytZhPoPh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/vraYP8ph.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/yvZMlm6h.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/GbWWxfEh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/kSYPzLCh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/8sPzC5Ch.jpg)


Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: kerick on December 01, 2024, 06:12:39 PM
I'm pretty sure I have had that kit on the shelf for years and haven't touched it. I do have a plan for using the wings and rotors on a Cheyenne helicopter.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: Rick Lowe on December 01, 2024, 08:25:37 PM
For some reason or another* I have *two* in the stash and only a very nebulous idea for one... :banghead:

*very likely I found them for 'cheap'... but if you don't use it, it's still too expensive.
In my defence, IIRC I'd just read Dale Brown's 'Hammerheads'...
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: NARSES2 on December 02, 2024, 05:52:59 AM
Moved as per request  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: seadude on December 04, 2024, 06:45:06 AM
And a few more pics.
You can clearly see where I've puttied some seams with Perfect Plastic Putty.
I left the rear cargo ramp/door closed. There's nothing to see inside anyway as the interior is plain and boring.
Started to paint a few things already like the rotor blades, landing gear, and landing gear bays.


(https://i.imgur.com/HIqffrQh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/WGlWT4Th.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/grAutz0h.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/JVYoWk7h.jpg)

Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: seadude on December 04, 2024, 04:43:17 PM
So like I've probably mentioned in past posts, I'm going to try and paint this model in a retro WW2 scheme that US Navy and/or Marine Corps PBJ-1H/J Mitchells had.
This being:
Darker US Navy Sea Blue on top/upper portions of the aircraft.
Medium Intermediate Blue on middle portions of the aircraft.
Underside surfaces to be white (or Insignia White?)
I'll be using the following Vallejo Model Air Color paints:
71.001 White (or 71.279 Insignia White)
71.299 Intermediate Blue
71.295 US Navy Sea Blue

But here's my problem:
Were the undersides painted a regular pure white? Or was it an "insignia white" which seems to have a slight tint to it. Almost like a very light cream color.
As I've done research in past months, I've gotten a lot of conflicting answers. Can anybody help out?




Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: Wardukw on December 04, 2024, 04:52:20 PM
Quote from: seadude on December 04, 2024, 04:43:17 PMSo like I've probably mentioned in past posts, I'm going to try and paint this model in a retro WW2 scheme that US Navy and/or Marine Corps PBJ-1H/J Mitchells had.
This being:
Darker US Navy Sea Blue on top/upper portions of the aircraft.
Medium Intermediate Blue on middle portions of the aircraft.
Underside surfaces to be white (or Insignia White?)
I'll be using the following Vallejo Model Air Color paints:
71.001 White (or 71.279 Insignia White)
71.299 Intermediate Blue
71.295 US Navy Sea Blue

But here's my problem:
Were the undersides painted a regular pure white? Or was it an "insignia white" which seems to have a slight tint to it. Almost like a very light cream color.
As I've done research in past months, I've gotten a lot of conflicting answers. Can anybody help out?





It could be which do you want to use sort of deals ...I did some hunting and I got the same conflicting things too.
Insignia white tho was the more common colour I came across in my searching if that helps .
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: Old Wombat on December 04, 2024, 06:33:18 PM
My understanding, gleaned from a significant number of sources over the years, is that the USN used Insignia White in that scheme, & I've not seen any photo's that cause me to doubt that.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: seadude on December 07, 2024, 05:30:15 PM
Bottom of the aircraft has been painted white.
I'll give that 24-48 hours to dry before I start on the middle color which is Intermediate Blue.
Then all the top surfaces of the aircraft will be US Navy Sea Blue.
Enigine assemblys for the main rotors are built, but not painted yet. Those were a PITA to put together.  :banghead: 
Had to take quite a bit of gap filling super glue to fill a few gaps.
Other items done are:
Rotor blades painted.
Landing gear doors painted.
Landing gear painted.
Torpedoes painted, but really wasn't sure what colors they were supposed to be.
Landing gear bays will need to be repainted.


(https://i.imgur.com/mRASicMh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/vfGxZ8mh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/TwYg7M6h.jpg)


Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: seadude on December 09, 2024, 07:54:51 AM
And a few more pics............
The middle portion of the aircraft has now been painted Vallejo # 71.299 Intermediate Blue.
Later today, I hope to paint the upper portion of the aircraft Vallejo # 71.295 US Navy Sea Blue.
Other items I need to do in the next few days are repaint the landing gear bays, add VHF/UHF antennas on top of the aircraft, paint the leading edge of the wings black, and paint the rotor engines that fit on the ends of the wings.
And there's still more details after all that yet. But I'll get to those later.


(https://i.imgur.com/gsHWmQzh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/MQDoIjXh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/kV6a59kh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/WDljEwzh.jpg)


Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: seadude on December 09, 2024, 06:58:56 PM
Well, this is a disappointment. :(   :banghead:
The decals that come with the kit are shown below in the first pic. Can't really say I'm a fan of black or light gray markings on a blue PBJ-1H color schemed V-22 Osprey.
I just don't think they'd look that good on a blue background, know what I mean?
I'd much rather have something a bit more "colorful" like what is shown in the 2nd pic of the Hasegawa aircraft. I think those would look a hell of a lot better. ;)
But I can't find any aftermarket 1/72 scale V-22 decals that are that "colorful" that I need.
So..........I may eventually have to use the kit supplied decals. But I think only the lighter gray decals might work best on a blue background.
For the 3rd pic below, I need some old style WW2 American roundels. Preferably the one indicated by the red arrow.
I contacted my local model club members to ask if anybody had any that they can bring to the model club meeting this coming weekend.


(https://i.imgur.com/DIJVsjYh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/CaCw3dWh.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/LoIneLMl.png)


Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: NARSES2 on December 10, 2024, 05:15:34 AM
That's a shame re the markings, hope you can get them sorted as this is going to look great in the retro scheme.

I've lots of the national markings you are after, but I'm in the UK. However if all else fails ....
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: kerick on December 10, 2024, 08:12:28 AM
I might have the yellow rescue markings. They would not all be from the same sheet but you could probably make them work. Let me know.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: Captain Canada on December 10, 2024, 01:17:35 PM
The colours are looking great ! For sure she needs colorful markings to go with it.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: seadude on December 11, 2024, 11:47:44 AM
Things are starting to get a bit more "colorful" on this model.  :thumbsup:
Got all three main colors pretty much done. All I have to do now is some minor tiny touchups.
The black leading edges on the wings were quite difficult. I was very worried I would screw that up and get black paint on the white undersides of the wings where it should not be.
But things turned out fine. So no worries. If I had screwed up, trying to paint white over black is a PITA.  :banghead: 
You can't see it much in the pics, but the landing gear bays are painted a medium gray.
Hardest part to paint will eventually be the cockpit canopy. Not sure when I'll do that, but it will be soon.


(https://i.imgur.com/4bA31bQh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/gDgaFush.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/LJFvsrrh.jpg)


Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: Steel Penguin on December 11, 2024, 12:18:00 PM
looking very smart there,  and it does stand out well.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: seadude on December 11, 2024, 12:43:34 PM
Quote from: Steel Penguin on December 11, 2024, 12:18:00 PMlooking very smart there,  and it does stand out well.   :thumbsup:

It'll stand out a lot better when I get and add decals to it..............whenever that might be.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: seadude on December 11, 2024, 01:51:59 PM
Regarding my earlier Post # 49 about decals and markings..............
I did find this model in the ARC gallery on another modeling site.
http://www.arcair.com/Gal16/15201-16300/gal15262-V-22-Leonard/00.shtm
It doesn't have the more brighter or colorful markings like I had wanted. It shows some black markings/decals on a lighter blue camouflaged Japanese V-22.
You have to click each individual picture for better detail.
Granted, those might work better for a lighter blue/gray painted V-22, but since my aircraft model is darker colored, particuarly the dark US Navy Sea Blue, I doubt black or medium/dark gray markings will show up that well or look good.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: Rick Lowe on December 12, 2024, 02:52:17 PM
Nah, for something in that sort of retro scheme, you need full-colour markings.  :thumbsup:
Coming along nicely.  :lol:
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: seadude on December 13, 2024, 03:26:57 PM
For being one of the earliest kits (1989) made of a V-22 Osprey aircraft, the instructions are pretty poor on how the rotor blades are to be attached to the rotor hub, the pitch/angle of the blades, etc.  :banghead:  :banghead:  :banghead:
So for anybody building a V-22 model (and especially the kit I'm building here), please study the instructions VERY CAREFULLY as well as viewing real pictures of the rotor blades for the V-22 aircraft and how they are positioned.
As shown in the below picture, I even had to add small dabs of red or blue paint to the insides of the engine/rotor assemblies so I know which rotor assembly matches up to which engine.
Oh, and to add a bit of "color" to the model, I painted the tips of the rotor blades yellow just like how a real PBJ-1H/J aircraft would have.


(https://i.imgur.com/XCiis7Kh.jpg)

Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: Captain Canada on December 13, 2024, 04:03:19 PM
That's a nice touch !
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: kerick on December 13, 2024, 10:02:51 PM
Good idea using the colored dots. Of course the right side dots should have been green.  :wacko:
Just kidding. I might have used silver dots from a handy paint pen.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: NARSES2 on December 14, 2024, 05:25:44 AM
Quote from: kerick on December 13, 2024, 10:02:51 PMGood idea using the colored dots.

It is indeed. Using coloured pens is probably far easier than my usual approach, which is to use small bits of masking tape.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: seadude on December 24, 2024, 01:43:25 PM
Not much new on progress.
Currently working on painting the main canopy. Having trouble as the paint is bleeding underneath the masking tape and getting into places where I don't need it to go.  :banghead:  :banghead:  :banghead:
I am using the yellow TAMIYA masking tape, but still........:(
And before anybody asks, No, there is no canopy masks for this kit as the kit is old from late 1980's.
But I did buy some tiny TAMIYA cotton swabs with pointed tips and then dip those in some thinner to try and wipe away the excess paint from the areas where it wasn't supposed to go.
And then after the main canopy is done, there's two smaller cockpit window pieces to add.
Still need to detail the interior of the cockpit a little bit more.
I can't add the rotor engines to the ends of the wings nor add the rotor blades till after all decaling has been done for the aircraft. But decaling won't be done till maybe sometime in January I hope if I can get the decals I need from a member of my local model club.
And probably one of the last items on the "to do" list is add the hardpoint pylons for the torpedos on either side of the main fuselage.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: kerick on December 24, 2024, 03:07:13 PM
Progress is progress! This will look great!
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: seadude on December 29, 2024, 02:13:34 PM
This is about as far as I can go on this model till I get the decals I need from some friends at my next model club meeting.
The decals need to be added before I add the engines and rotor blades to the wings.
Unfortuneately for this model, it's a tail sitter.  :banghead:  Which is why there's a bottle of paint holding up the aft end in the pictures.
Maybe once I get the engines and rotors on, that hopefully will eliminate the tail sitting issue. If not, then I'm not sure what I'm going to do.
And the last thing to add after the engines, rotors, and decals are done will be adding the crew access door on the starboard side as well as adding the torpedo launch pylons and torpedos.
So for right now, this model is now on temporary hiatus.


(https://i.imgur.com/P3CxwOBh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/I5tEAOnh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/RfnDdrLh.jpg)


Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: McColm on January 01, 2025, 04:38:59 AM
Why not move the sonobouy dispenser to the rear of the fuselage and set the scene as if the ground crew are loading the sonobouys, then the problem of the tail--sitting goes away.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: seadude on January 01, 2025, 08:02:53 AM
Quote from: McColm on January 01, 2025, 04:38:59 AMWhy not move the sonobouy dispenser to the rear of the fuselage and set the scene as if the ground crew are loading the sonobouys, then the problem of the tail--sitting goes away.

Can't do that. See the below picture. When AMT made the kit, they scribed the sonobouy area into the plastic fuselage. With the model fully painted and almost complete, it's too late now to move the sonobouy area somewhere else.

(https://i.imgur.com/grAutz0h.jpg)
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 01, 2025, 08:44:49 AM
Quote from: seadude on January 01, 2025, 08:02:53 AMWith the model fully painted and almost complete, it's too late now to move the sonobouy area somewhere else.


That's what putty and small drills and scribers are for.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: Rick Lowe on January 01, 2025, 11:35:05 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on January 01, 2025, 08:44:49 AM
Quote from: seadude on January 01, 2025, 08:02:53 AMWith the model fully painted and almost complete, it's too late now to move the sonobouy area somewhere else.


That's what putty and small drills and scribers are for.

Word!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: seadude on January 11, 2025, 03:02:12 PM
Just got a bunch of extra decals from another modeler at my local model club meeting today. So my model should hopefully be finished this weekend or the next few days with decaling as well as gluing the engines and props on, crew entry door on, etc. .  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: kerick on January 11, 2025, 03:35:17 PM
Progress!
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: seadude on January 13, 2025, 04:08:46 PM
I'm currently in the process of putting extra decals on this model tonight.
Other than that, I have a question regarding the following older pic I had posted.
I painted the main body of the torpedos green. Should they have been silver (or steel/aluminum) instead?
What would look better with a blue painted aircraft?  :unsure:


(https://i.imgur.com/TwYg7M6h.jpg)
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: Rick Lowe on January 13, 2025, 08:10:32 PM
White for WarShots? Or is that only for AAMs?
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: Old Wombat on January 13, 2025, 10:22:29 PM
Just did an online search &, across several different marks/makes & about the last 30-40 years, green is good! :thumbsup:

Nose-cap colours vary a bit, though black would be a good active-service colour (I saw orange, white, silver & black).
Title: FINISHED! Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: seadude on January 14, 2025, 05:31:09 PM

FINISHED!  :thumbsup:
I will never buy nor build another AMT/Ertl kit as long as I live.  :banghead:
Poor fitting parts, confusing instructions, soft plastic, and the list goes on and on. This kit is a piece of crap.  :banghead:
BUT..........I stuck with it and did the best I could. So here she is in all her glory.
An SV-22 Osprey anti-submarine aircraft in retro commemorative World War 2 US Navy/Marine Corps PBJ-1H/J Mitchell colors.


(https://i.imgur.com/chLRphph.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/tkpGfqrh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/WcnNmqHh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/VM4viz9h.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/5y5Fwelh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/oWPLIV9h.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/6M5GB9Xh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/MzjF0Gbh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HLdHxpph.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/EYjKW9Vh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/7clSbPPh.jpg)


Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: kerick on January 14, 2025, 06:54:28 PM
Excellent! I may have that kit in the stash but it will get cut up for a kitbash one of these days.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: Rick Lowe on January 14, 2025, 08:11:26 PM
Came out nicely!  :thumbsup:
You beat it in the end.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: Old Wombat on January 15, 2025, 01:04:48 AM
Sweet! Love that retro scheme! :mellow:  :wub:  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: NARSES2 on January 15, 2025, 02:39:04 AM
Really does suit that retro scheme  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: zenrat on January 15, 2025, 02:43:46 AM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: Mossie on January 15, 2025, 03:31:58 AM
Great scheme.  :thumbsup:  Extra points for putting up with a rubbish kit.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 15, 2025, 05:11:22 AM
Definitely looks the part.  :thumbsup:

And I built that same kit donkey's years ago, and agree that it's a load of rubbish.  :banghead:
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: seadude on January 15, 2025, 06:11:31 AM
Thanks for the moral support, guys. It means a lot.  :thumbsup:  This was one buggy kit.
And I did manage to stop it from being a tail sitter too, but only barely.
The slightest bump of a table or whatever will make this aircraft tail sit again.  :banghead:
I need to find something small I can fit inside the nose wheel well.
Title: Re: Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?
Post by: seadude on January 15, 2025, 09:54:11 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on January 15, 2025, 01:04:48 AMSweet! Love that retro scheme! :mellow:  :wub:  :thumbsup:
Quote from: NARSES2 on January 15, 2025, 02:39:04 AMReally does suit that retro scheme  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:

I love the retro scheme as well. It's one of my favorite WW2 camo schemes. What can I say. I love blue.  :wub:
And one last picture below of the underside of the aircraft. I added red decal stripes to denote the area where the sonobouys are dropped from the aircraft.
As I mentioned in a previous post on a previous page in this model thread, the scratch built circular object under the front of the aircraft is a APS-124 radar unit.
Some or most US Navy SH-60 Seahawks carry this under the fuselage of the helicopters.
To fix the tail sitting issue a bit more, I added a small ball bearing inside the nose wheel well bay.
It's silver colored and might be hard to see in the picture. I will paint it white though.

(https://i.imgur.com/o6CuXUPh.jpg)