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Title: Westland Scout civilian
Post by: The Rat on February 10, 2023, 08:13:45 PM
Moving my previous blog posts here.

Looks like I'll have to rework the seats, they're not exactly accurate. Excellent thread over on Britmodeler by Carlos Guate, he really did his up a treat. Not sure if I can manage that level of engine detail, but the seats should be easy. The hole for the control column seems off, should be between the pilot's knees, so a wee drill should do the trick. No collective, so that will be scratched. I found some pictures of a civilian Scout that has controls on both sides, but if other photos are correct the military ones only had them on the starboard side.

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235091604-the-venerable-airfix-westland-scout-172-falklands-war-version/ (https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235091604-the-venerable-airfix-westland-scout-172-falklands-war-version/)

http://s397751857.websitehome.co.uk/index.php/westland-scout-civilian

Doors are coming off!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52681990128_b253554a20_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ogjYfC)Doors off (https://flic.kr/p/2ogjYfC) by Dave Bailey (https://www.flickr.com/photos/190327384@N02/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Westland Scout civilian
Post by: Tophe on February 11, 2023, 01:31:09 AM
Quote from: The Rat on February 10, 2023, 08:13:45 PMLooks like I'll have to rework the seats, they're not exactly accurate.
Uh, maybe accuracy is not mandatory in a whif world... ;)
Title: Re: Westland Scout civilian
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 11, 2023, 04:38:40 AM
Someone did a white metal update set for the Scout that included a lovely engine casting.

I used it when I built a Wasp out of a Scout decades ago, but I'm not 100% sure who dod the update set, maybe C Scale? Possibly ED Models?
Title: Re: Westland Scout civilian
Post by: The Rat on February 11, 2023, 05:39:35 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on February 11, 2023, 04:38:40 AMSomeone did a white metal update set for the Scout that included a lovely engine casting.

I used it when I built a Wasp out of a Scout decades ago, but I'm not 100% sure who dod the update set, maybe C Scale? Possibly ED Models?

Might be a bit heavy for that thin little landing skid arrangement. I'll try to fettle mine up with piping sand such.
Title: Re: Westland Scout civilian
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 12, 2023, 02:59:10 AM
The conversion came with white metal skids. But you're right to be worried, my 'standard' Scout had to have uprated skids as any nose weight at all collapsed the original skids, and without it they tail sit. :(
Title: Re: Westland Scout civilian
Post by: The Rat on February 12, 2023, 11:17:30 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on February 12, 2023, 02:59:10 AMThe conversion came with white metal skids. But you're right to be worried, my 'standard' Scout had to have uprated skids as any nose weight at all collapsed the original skids, and without it they tail sit. :(

In that case, I have an idea. Something that I was going to do anyway, but now it becomes more important.
Title: Re: Westland Scout civilian
Post by: The Rat on February 12, 2023, 01:08:06 PM
Becoming clearer?  ;D

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52685473875_a24d89ba4e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ogCPRe) by Dave Bailey (https://www.flickr.com/photos/190327384@N02/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52685331824_c4898aab31_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ogC6C5)by Dave Bailey (https://www.flickr.com/photos/190327384@N02/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52685331819_65f4fefab7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ogC6BZ) by Dave Bailey (https://www.flickr.com/photos/190327384@N02/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Westland Scout civilian
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 12, 2023, 01:42:02 PM
Very sensible.  ;D
Title: Re: Westland Scout civilian
Post by: The Rat on February 12, 2023, 02:40:36 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on February 12, 2023, 01:42:02 PMVery sensible.  ;D

But... They aren't fuel tanks.  ;)
Title: Re: Westland Scout civilian
Post by: scooter on February 12, 2023, 02:42:48 PM
A replacement for Amity PD's Hughes 300, lost at the end of Jaws II?
Title: Re: Westland Scout civilian
Post by: The Rat on February 12, 2023, 03:46:34 PM
Quote from: scooter on February 12, 2023, 02:42:48 PMA replacement for Amity PD's Hughes 300, lost at the end of Jaws II?

We're getting a weeeee bit closer...
Title: Re: Westland Scout civilian
Post by: Wardukw on February 12, 2023, 10:40:29 PM
Float equipped water thrasher when it comes a cropper ?. :wacko:
Title: Re: Westland Scout civilian
Post by: NARSES2 on February 13, 2023, 06:23:06 AM
My first thought was flotation bags ?
Title: Re: Westland Scout civilian
Post by: scooter on February 13, 2023, 06:49:55 AM
Quote from: The Rat on February 12, 2023, 03:46:34 PM
Quote from: scooter on February 12, 2023, 02:42:48 PMA replacement for Amity PD's Hughes 300, lost at the end of Jaws II?

We're getting a weeeee bit closer...
So, orange and blue then.
Title: Re: Westland Scout civilian
Post by: The Rat on February 13, 2023, 10:12:19 AM
Quote from: scooter on February 13, 2023, 06:49:55 AMSo, orange and blue then.

WE HAVE A WINNER!  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:

Yes, the Royal National Lifeboat Institute will be gifted a Westland Scout, resplendant in those colours!
Inflatable floats will be added, like used on the Bell 47. It will keep the military arrangement of the pilot
on the starboard side, with the port side left clear for a rescuer and some equipment; fire extinguisher,
searchlight, first aid kit, etc.

As stated in my blog post, YOU HAVE MY ENDURING ADMIRATION!  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Westland Scout civilian
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 13, 2023, 10:17:06 AM
Quote from: The Rat on February 13, 2023, 10:12:19 AMIt will keep the military arrangement of the pilot
on the starboard side, with the port side left clear for a rescuer and some equipment; fire extinguisher,
searchlight, first aid kit, etc.


And with the Scout's/Wasp's well known lack of reasonable payload, that'd probably be ALL that it could carry!  :o
Title: Re: Westland Scout civilian
Post by: scooter on February 13, 2023, 10:29:51 AM
Quote from: The Rat on February 13, 2023, 10:12:19 AM
Quote from: scooter on February 13, 2023, 06:49:55 AMSo, orange and blue then.

WE HAVE A WINNER!  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:

Yes, the Royal National Lifeboat Institute will be gifted a Westland Scout, resplendant in those colours!
Inflatable floats will be added, like used on the Bell 47. It will keep the military arrangement of the pilot
on the starboard side, with the port side left clear for a rescuer and some equipment; fire extinguisher,
searchlight, first aid kit, etc.

As stated in my blog post, YOU HAVE MY ENDURING ADMIRATION!  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:

It'll pair well with some of the heavies I did for the Blue Lights GB: https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?msg=916803
Title: Re: Westland Scout civilian
Post by: The Rat on February 13, 2023, 10:37:44 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on February 13, 2023, 10:17:06 AMAnd with the Scout's/Wasp's well known lack of reasonable payload, that'd probably be ALL that it could carry!  :o

From Wikipedia:
Empty weight: 3,232 lb (1,466 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 5,300 lb (2,404 kg)

So that's over a ton, not bad.
Title: Re: Westland Scout civilian
Post by: The Rat on March 07, 2025, 02:27:54 PM
Well, this is another that has got me on the ropes. The kit is not going together well, probably due to my modeling skills. And it's also on the small side of tiny, a subject like this would be much better served in 1/48th, minimum. Saw the LF kit at Telford, but it's also 1/72nd.

But, there is another plan. New thread starting momentarily...  <_<
Title: Re: Westland Scout civilian
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 07, 2025, 02:59:38 PM
There is, or was, a 1/48th Wasp kit, done by Fujimi. I may even have one in The Loft.

It's got to be easier to convert a Wasp to a Scout than it would to do the opposite. I did the latter many years ago in 1/72, but I still have it, minus its main rotor.
Title: Re: Westland Scout civilian
Post by: The Rat on March 07, 2025, 04:01:46 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on March 07, 2025, 02:59:38 PMThere is, or was, a 1/48th Wasp kit, done by Fujimi. I may even have one in The Loft.

Thanks for that hint, I looked and found one on ebay! Might go for it.

Quote from: PR19_Kit on March 07, 2025, 02:59:38 PMIt's got to be easier to convert a Wasp to a Scout than it would to do the opposite. I did the latter many years ago in 1/72, but I still have it, minus its main rotor.

Wouldn't really matter in my universe, in fact the Wasp would be probably better becuase I presume it would be set up to deal with naval conditions, and since mine would be used by the R.N.L.I., that would work fine.
Title: Re: Westland Scout civilian
Post by: zenrat on March 08, 2025, 03:07:54 AM
Quote from: The Rat on February 13, 2023, 10:37:44 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on February 13, 2023, 10:17:06 AMAnd with the Scout's/Wasp's well known lack of reasonable payload, that'd probably be ALL that it could carry!  :o

From Wikipedia:
Empty weight: 3,232 lb (1,466 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 5,300 lb (2,404 kg)

So that's over a ton, not bad.

When they say empty, what exactly does that mean?  Fuelled, crewed and ready to fly?  Completely drained of all fluids with no-one in it?  Or something in between?
Is there even a standard definition.  This is after all from wikipaedia...
Title: Re: Westland Scout civilian
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 08, 2025, 04:19:05 AM
IIRC that weight is completely empty. If a Wasp carried two torpedoes they had to be flown alone. An extra crew member would overload it.
Title: Re: Westland Scout civilian
Post by: jcf on March 10, 2025, 12:42:13 PM
The maximum ordnance payload of the Wasp was 540lbs: Two Mk.44 or one Mk.46 homing torpedoes or two depth charges on crutches or two Nord AS.12 missiles on the fuselage sides. Which is over a quarter of the MTOW. It's also unlikely that the Wasps were regularly operated at their maximum weight.