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Here are draft rules for the 1950's GB, please discuss.

Chris

THE 1950's GB RULES

1.   The 1950's GB runs from 00:01 Wednesday 1 March 2023 to 23:59 Wednesday 31 May 2023 (all times local).  An extension may or may not be considered/set up according to demand and or pecuniary overtures.

2 Physical models of any scale, profiles, and stories are eligible but your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used during the 1950's. Subjects in use post 1959 are not eligible.
 
Your whiff can be as simple (change of markings or camo scheme) or as complex (full on kit bashing) as you wish.  If in doubt as to what's in scope then contact the Mods.

3)  You may build, draw or write as many entries as you like (good luck!).  The posting of in-progress pictures is encouraged as always.  Back stories - however long or short - supporting physical models and profiles are always welcome.

4) "Preparation" work is allowed prior to the start of the GB - this includes the cutting out and cleaning up of parts, even designing and printing your own decals, but anything involving paint or glue is not allowed.

5) Eligibility of part-started models will be considered by the moderators. You should pm to explain what you have done (pictures are a great help if you can include them) and they will decide, their decision being final.

6) No rule 6 - is there ever a rule 6 ? It's one rule or another so from now on it's 6
 
7) Your Moderators are Crudebuteffective and Crudebuteffective the Younger. Thank you, gentlemen.

8. The completed builds thread will be locked at the end of the GB and shortly afterwards the poll will be set up. The number of votes each member will get depends on the number of entries.  Keep your eyes out for updates!

9) As decided earlier in the year by the Membership the first three placed entries in the Group Build will automatically be nominated for a Whiffy in a new, specific Group Build Class.

It all sounds perfectly reasonable to me, Chris.

Thanks, Chris

Can I suggest looking again at Rule 4 and  instead consider using the logistics GB wording:

 4.  Preparation work is allowed prior to the start of the GB but is limited to removal and cleaning up of parts from sprues, casting blocks or cutting out vacform parts from their backing sheet, even designing and printing your own decals.  Anything involving modification of parts, test fitting, pre-painting and actual assembly is not allowed prior to the start of the GB.

Yours,

Dave

So is that 1950's our time line?  :mellow:

Quote from: zenrat on February 02, 2023, 02:33:04 AMSo is that 1950's our time line?  :mellow:

Bags of scope, eh?   ;)

Quote from: PR19_Kit on February 02, 2023, 03:46:33 AM

Quote from: zenrat on February 02, 2023, 02:33:04 AMSo is that 1950's our time line?  :mellow:

Bags of scope, eh?   ;)

Especially if it's read as meaning 1950s BC/BCE as well as 1959s AD/CE  ;)  :wacko:

Quote from: zenrat on February 02, 2023, 02:33:04 AMSo is that 1950's our time line?  :mellow:

I do have a view on that, but I'll leave it to the moderators for a decision.

Quote from: kitbasher on February 02, 2023, 04:29:27 AMEspecially if it's read as meaning 1950s BC/BCE as well as 1959s AD/CE  ;)  :wacko:

I very nearly incorporated that into the draft rules, but didn't on the basis of being considered a "smart alek"   :angel:

Smart Aleks* Unanimous, that's us! ;D





[*: The polite version.]

Quote from: NARSES2 on February 02, 2023, 05:58:23 AM

Quote from: zenrat on February 02, 2023, 02:33:04 AMSo is that 1950's our time line?  :mellow:

I do have a view on that, but I'll leave it to the moderators for a decision.

Quote from: kitbasher on February 02, 2023, 04:29:27 AMEspecially if it's read as meaning 1950s BC/BCE as well as 1959s AD/CE  ;)  :wacko:

I very nearly incorporated that into the draft rules, but didn't on the basis of being considered a "smart alek"   :angel:

What's your point, Chris? 😉😂

Trying to remember what's in the stash, which is presently in a storage unit since we downsized house.  Lot's of possibilities of leftover WW2 ships and aircraft, even a few WW1 warships in smaller countries that might have been updated. 

So I need a ruling from the mods.  Would something in the style of a B Movie poster be kosher?

Might be best to specifically state if something from the 1950's in later service is eligible or not, or if something from the 1940's (or earlier) but still serving in the 1950's is eligible.  Looks like Dizzy was asking about a F-106 (first flight 1959) but in later Vietnam service. 

Either:

2 Physical models of any scale, profiles, and stories are eligible but your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used during the 1950's.  Subjects from this era, but serving in later service are allowed (eg: a B-52 in 2023, a 1950's Havana taxi still being used).  Subjects from earlier eras, but in service in the 1950's are allowed (eg: a DC-3 flying for Rhodesian airlines in 1956).

or

2 Physical models of any scale, profiles, and stories are eligible but your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used and in service during the 1950's.  Subjects from this era, but in later use are not permitted (eg: a EE Lightning in 1972 service with Switzerland is not eligible)   

Exactly. I'd prefer a wider scope, but that's just me.  :angel:

Quote from: Dizzyfugu on February 08, 2023, 07:13:40 AMExactly. I'd prefer a wider scope, but that just me.  :angel:

Gotcha, I usually prefer a tighter scope- but all good!  Just best to clarify before we get too set on our victim. 

Quote from: kitbasher on February 02, 2023, 04:29:27 AM

Quote from: PR19_Kit on February 02, 2023, 03:46:33 AM

Quote from: zenrat on February 02, 2023, 02:33:04 AMSo is that 1950's our time line?  :mellow:

Bags of scope, eh?   ;)

Especially if it's read as meaning 1950s BC/BCE as well as 1959s AD/CE  ;)  :wacko:

THE MODS WILL GET BACK TO YOU ASAP

Quote from: sandiego89 on February 08, 2023, 07:09:37 AMMight be best to specifically state if something from the 1950's in later service is eligible or not, or if something from the 1940's (or earlier) but still serving in the 1950's is eligible.  Looks like Dizzy was asking about a F-106 (first flight 1959) but in later Vietnam service. 

Either:

2 Physical models of any scale, profiles, and stories are eligible but your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used during the 1950's.  Subjects from this era, but serving in later service are allowed (eg: a B-52 in 2023, a 1950's Havana taxi still being used).  Subjects from earlier eras, but in service in the 1950's are allowed (eg: a DC-3 flying for Rhodesian airlines in 1956).

or

2 Physical models of any scale, profiles, and stories are eligible but your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used and in service during the 1950's.  Subjects from this era, but in later use are not permitted (eg: a EE Lightning in 1972 service with Switzerland is not eligible)   

THE MODS WILL GET BACK TO YOU ASAP

Quote from: sandiego89 on February 08, 2023, 07:09:37 AMMight be best to specifically state if something from the 1950's in later service is eligible or not, or if something from the 1940's (or earlier) but still serving in the 1950's is eligible.  Looks like Dizzy was asking about a F-106 (first flight 1959) but in later Vietnam service. 

Either:

2 Physical models of any scale, profiles, and stories are eligible but your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used during the 1950's.  Subjects from this era, but serving in later service are allowed (eg: a B-52 in 2023, a 1950's Havana taxi still being used).  Subjects from earlier eras, but in service in the 1950's are allowed (eg: a DC-3 flying for Rhodesian airlines in 1956).

or

2 Physical models of any scale, profiles, and stories are eligible but your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used and in service during the 1950's.  Subjects from this era, but in later use are not permitted (eg: a EE Lightning in 1972 service with Switzerland is not eligible)   

OK we have checked the VAR and we are going with

Physical models of any scale, profiles, and stories are eligible but your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used and in service during the 1950's.  Subjects from this era, but in later use are not permitted (eg: a EE Lightning in 1972 service with Switzerland is not eligible)

Quote from: kitbasher on February 02, 2023, 08:27:46 AM

Quote from: NARSES2 on February 02, 2023, 05:58:23 AM

Quote from: zenrat on February 02, 2023, 02:33:04 AMSo is that 1950's our time line?  :mellow:

I do have a view on that, but I'll leave it to the moderators for a decision.

Quote from: kitbasher on February 02, 2023, 04:29:27 AMEspecially if it's read as meaning 1950s BC/BCE as well as 1959s AD/CE  ;)  :wacko:

I very nearly incorporated that into the draft rules, but didn't on the basis of being considered a "smart alek"   :angel:

What's your point, Chris? 😉😂

lets just stick to 1950s AD/CE  as it was originally envisaged :thumbsup:

THE MODS

Quote from: crudebuteffective on February 08, 2023, 10:08:35 AM

Quote from: sandiego89 on February 08, 2023, 07:09:37 AMMight be best to specifically state if something from the 1950's in later service is eligible or not, or if something from the 1940's (or earlier) but still serving in the 1950's is eligible.  Looks like Dizzy was asking about a F-106 (first flight 1959) but in later Vietnam service. 

Either:

2 Physical models of any scale, profiles, and stories are eligible but your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used during the 1950's.  Subjects from this era, but serving in later service are allowed (eg: a B-52 in 2023, a 1950's Havana taxi still being used).  Subjects from earlier eras, but in service in the 1950's are allowed (eg: a DC-3 flying for Rhodesian airlines in 1956).

or

2 Physical models of any scale, profiles, and stories are eligible but your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used and in service during the 1950's.  Subjects from this era, but in later use are not permitted (eg: a EE Lightning in 1972 service with Switzerland is not eligible)   

OK we have checked the VAR and we are going with

Physical models of any scale, profiles, and stories are eligible but your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used and in service during the 1950's.  Subjects from this era, but in later use are not permitted (eg: a EE Lightning in 1972 service with Switzerland is not eligible)

So as I read the rule, being "used or in-service" in the 1950's would allow for for a 1940's (or earlier) subject that is depicted in service in the 1950's fine?  Say a Spitfire in the 1956 Suez crisis would be allowed (with proper invasion stripes of course)?  A Ford Model-T being used in Korea in 1951?  Correct?

Not trying to be difficult, I just have a subject in mind that first flew in the 1940's but will be depicted in service in the early 1950's.   

Quote from: sandiego89 on February 08, 2023, 11:46:03 AM

Quote from: crudebuteffective on February 08, 2023, 10:08:35 AM

Quote from: sandiego89 on February 08, 2023, 07:09:37 AMMight be best to specifically state if something from the 1950's in later service is eligible or not, or if something from the 1940's (or earlier) but still serving in the 1950's is eligible.  Looks like Dizzy was asking about a F-106 (first flight 1959) but in later Vietnam service. 

Either:

2 Physical models of any scale, profiles, and stories are eligible but your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used during the 1950's.  Subjects from this era, but serving in later service are allowed (eg: a B-52 in 2023, a 1950's Havana taxi still being used).  Subjects from earlier eras, but in service in the 1950's are allowed (eg: a DC-3 flying for Rhodesian airlines in 1956).

or

2 Physical models of any scale, profiles, and stories are eligible but your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used and in service during the 1950's.  Subjects from this era, but in later use are not permitted (eg: a EE Lightning in 1972 service with Switzerland is not eligible)   

OK we have checked the VAR and we are going with

Physical models of any scale, profiles, and stories are eligible but your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used and in service during the 1950's.  Subjects from this era, but in later use are not permitted (eg: a EE Lightning in 1972 service with Switzerland is not eligible)

So as I read the rule, being "used or in-service" in the 1950's would allow for for a 1940's (or earlier) subject that is depicted in service in the 1950's fine?  Say a Spitfire in the 1956 Suez crisis would be allowed (with proper invasion stripes of course)?  A Ford Model-T being used in Korea in 1951?  Correct?

Not trying to be difficult, I just have a subject in mind that first flew in the 1940's but will be depicted in service in the early 1950's.   

yep  a 1940s aircraft in 1950s markings is fine

mark

Quote from: crudebuteffective on February 08, 2023, 10:15:28 AM

Quote from: kitbasher on February 02, 2023, 08:27:46 AM

Quote from: NARSES2 on February 02, 2023, 05:58:23 AM

Quote from: zenrat on February 02, 2023, 02:33:04 AMSo is that 1950's our time line?  :mellow:

I do have a view on that, but I'll leave it to the moderators for a decision.

Quote from: kitbasher on February 02, 2023, 04:29:27 AMEspecially if it's read as meaning 1950s BC/BCE as well as 1959s AD/CE  ;)  :wacko:

I very nearly incorporated that into the draft rules, but didn't on the basis of being considered a "smart alek"   :angel:

What's your point, Chris? 😉😂

lets just stick to 1950s AD/CE  as it was originally envisaged :thumbsup:

THE MODS

Damn, that's my hexagonal Egyptian pyramid out of scope, then!

Quote from: kitbasher on February 08, 2023, 01:20:51 PM

Quote from: crudebuteffective on February 08, 2023, 10:15:28 AM

Quote from: kitbasher on February 02, 2023, 08:27:46 AM

Quote from: NARSES2 on February 02, 2023, 05:58:23 AM

Quote from: zenrat on February 02, 2023, 02:33:04 AMSo is that 1950's our time line?  :mellow:

I do have a view on that, but I'll leave it to the moderators for a decision.

Quote from: kitbasher on February 02, 2023, 04:29:27 AMEspecially if it's read as meaning 1950s BC/BCE as well as 1959s AD/CE  ;)  :wacko:

I very nearly incorporated that into the draft rules, but didn't on the basis of being considered a "smart alek"   :angel:

What's your point, Chris? 😉😂

lets just stick to 1950s AD/CE  as it was originally envisaged :thumbsup:

THE MODS

Damn, that's my hexagonal Egyptian pyramid out of scope, then!

Unless you paint it up as it looked in the 1950's

Lightnings first flew in '57 and so were proposed, considered, designed and built in the 50's.  But you say one in Swiss service in '72 is not allowed?  Doesn't make sense to me.
If you want to limit the GB to things being used between '50 and '59 then just say that.

Personally I am not in favour of clamping down too much on what we are allowed to build.  Big wide scope is best.  Let our imagination run free and see what we come up with.  The poll will decide what should and shouldn't have been there.

Quote from: kitbasher on February 08, 2023, 01:20:51 PM

Quote from: crudebuteffective on February 08, 2023, 10:15:28 AM

Quote from: kitbasher on February 02, 2023, 08:27:46 AM

Quote from: NARSES2 on February 02, 2023, 05:58:23 AM

Quote from: zenrat on February 02, 2023, 02:33:04 AMSo is that 1950's our time line?  :mellow:

I do have a view on that, but I'll leave it to the moderators for a decision.

Quote from: kitbasher on February 02, 2023, 04:29:27 AMEspecially if it's read as meaning 1950s BC/BCE as well as 1959s AD/CE  ;)  :wacko:

I very nearly incorporated that into the draft rules, but didn't on the basis of being considered a "smart alek"   :angel:

What's your point, Chris? 😉😂

lets just stick to 1950s AD/CE  as it was originally envisaged :thumbsup:

THE MODS

Damn, that's my hexagonal Egyptian pyramid out of scope, then!

UNLESS YOU DO IT BEING VIEWED BY TOURIST IN AD1956 :thumbsup:

Quote from: crudebuteffective on February 09, 2023, 02:50:46 AM

Quote from: kitbasher on February 08, 2023, 01:20:51 PM

Quote from: crudebuteffective on February 08, 2023, 10:15:28 AM

Quote from: kitbasher on February 02, 2023, 08:27:46 AM

Quote from: NARSES2 on February 02, 2023, 05:58:23 AM

Quote from: zenrat on February 02, 2023, 02:33:04 AMSo is that 1950's our time line?  :mellow:

I do have a view on that, but I'll leave it to the moderators for a decision.

Quote from: kitbasher on February 02, 2023, 04:29:27 AMEspecially if it's read as meaning 1950s BC/BCE as well as 1959s AD/CE  ;)  :wacko:

I very nearly incorporated that into the draft rules, but didn't on the basis of being considered a "smart alek"   :angel:

What's your point, Chris? 😉😂

lets just stick to 1950s AD/CE  as it was originally envisaged :thumbsup:

THE MODS

Damn, that's my hexagonal Egyptian pyramid out of scope, then!

UNLESS YOU DO IT BEING VIEWED BY TOURIST IN AD1956 :thumbsup:

Cunning!

Quote from: kitbasher on February 09, 2023, 03:43:49 AM

Quote from: crudebuteffective on February 09, 2023, 02:50:46 AM

Quote from: kitbasher on February 08, 2023, 01:20:51 PM

Quote from: crudebuteffective on February 08, 2023, 10:15:28 AM

Quote from: kitbasher on February 02, 2023, 08:27:46 AM

Quote from: NARSES2 on February 02, 2023, 05:58:23 AM

Quote from: zenrat on February 02, 2023, 02:33:04 AMSo is that 1950's our time line?  :mellow:

I do have a view on that, but I'll leave it to the moderators for a decision.

Quote from: kitbasher on February 02, 2023, 04:29:27 AMEspecially if it's read as meaning 1950s BC/BCE as well as 1959s AD/CE  ;)  :wacko:

I very nearly incorporated that into the draft rules, but didn't on the basis of being considered a "smart alek"   :angel:

What's your point, Chris? 😉😂

lets just stick to 1950s AD/CE  as it was originally envisaged :thumbsup:

THE MODS

Damn, that's my hexagonal Egyptian pyramid out of scope, then!

UNLESS YOU DO IT BEING VIEWED BY TOURIST IN AD1956 :thumbsup:

Cunning!

I'm I jumping the gun, or are the words "I have a cunning plan" marching with ill-deserved confidence in the direction of this conversation?

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Quote from: crudebuteffective on February 09, 2023, 02:50:46 AM

Quote from: kitbasher on February 08, 2023, 01:20:51 PM

Quote from: crudebuteffective on February 08, 2023, 10:15:28 AM

Quote from: kitbasher on February 02, 2023, 08:27:46 AM

Quote from: NARSES2 on February 02, 2023, 05:58:23 AM

Quote from: zenrat on February 02, 2023, 02:33:04 AMSo is that 1950's our time line?  :mellow:

I do have a view on that, but I'll leave it to the moderators for a decision.

Quote from: kitbasher on February 02, 2023, 04:29:27 AMEspecially if it's read as meaning 1950s BC/BCE as well as 1959s AD/CE  ;)  :wacko:

I very nearly incorporated that into the draft rules, but didn't on the basis of being considered a "smart alek"   :angel:

What's your point, Chris? 😉😂

lets just stick to 1950s AD/CE  as it was originally envisaged :thumbsup:

THE MODS

Damn, that's my hexagonal Egyptian pyramid out of scope, then!

UNLESS YOU DO IT BEING VIEWED BY TOURIST IN AD1956 :thumbsup:

Cunning!

I'm I jumping the gun, or are the words "I have a cunning plan" marching with ill-deserved confidence in the direction of this conversation?

No baldrick for once you are right

Beat me to it!

Wow: I was reading those nested quote and the Doctor Who theme music started going through my head...

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/lSCrQFwjgYGCAqYtle/giphy.gif)

A question regarding work on a model before the GB officially starts: would it be O.K. to strip paint from elements through a brake fluid or soda bath before any real construction begins, because this procedure might take a while?  :o

Have We started?

As it's gone 9 pm on March 1st I'm assuming we have..................

Started???  Hell Dizzy has posted 3 complete entries.

Quote from: AeroplaneDriver on March 01, 2023, 01:51:54 PMStarted???  Hell Dizzy has posted 3 complete entries.

Quote from: PR19_Kit on March 01, 2023, 01:49:53 PMAs it's gone 9 pm on March 1st I'm assuming we have..................

I would hope so.  I've had a render cooking since 3 this morning

For me it started yesterday..it's the 2nd here now  :thumbsup:

Quote from: crudebuteffective on February 08, 2023, 10:08:35 AM

Quote from: sandiego89 on February 08, 2023, 07:09:37 AMMight be best to specifically state if something from the 1950's in later service is eligible or not, or if something from the 1940's (or earlier) but still serving in the 1950's is eligible.  Looks like Dizzy was asking about a F-106 (first flight 1959) but in later Vietnam service. 

Either:

2 Physical models of any scale, profiles, and stories are eligible but your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used during the 1950's.  Subjects from this era, but serving in later service are allowed (eg: a B-52 in 2023, a 1950's Havana taxi still being used).  Subjects from earlier eras, but in service in the 1950's are allowed (eg: a DC-3 flying for Rhodesian airlines in 1956).

or

2 Physical models of any scale, profiles, and stories are eligible but your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used and in service during the 1950's.  Subjects from this era, but in later use are not permitted (eg: a EE Lightning in 1972 service with Switzerland is not eligible)   

OK we have checked the VAR and we are going with

Physical models of any scale, profiles, and stories are eligible but your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used and in service during the 1950's.  Subjects from this era, but in later use are not permitted (eg: a EE Lightning in 1972 service with Switzerland is not eligible)

Can we for once and for all clarify this rule.  It seems Dizzy has a Gulf War 1 (1991) Jet Provost build in progress.  Is a 50s design in later service allowed or not?  I assumed NOT based on this post. 

To me the scope of entries is not clear yet.  :blink:  The original rules post includes things that were designed in the Fifties and also used later, and to me there has been no conclusive update or change to this duing the following discussion in this thread? If these are excluded, my DSB V 200 won't be eligible, too. I would not mind and the threads can be moved to other sections, but I'd prefer a wider scope, like zenrat.

Quote from: Gondor on March 01, 2023, 01:09:53 PMHave We started?

Yes we have.

Quote from: AeroplaneDriver on March 02, 2023, 12:16:50 AM

Quote from: crudebuteffective on February 08, 2023, 10:08:35 AM

Quote from: sandiego89 on February 08, 2023, 07:09:37 AMMight be best to specifically state if something from the 1950's in later service is eligible or not, or if something from the 1940's (or earlier) but still serving in the 1950's is eligible.  Looks like Dizzy was asking about a F-106 (first flight 1959) but in later Vietnam service. 

Either:

2 Physical models of any scale, profiles, and stories are eligible but your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used during the 1950's.  Subjects from this era, but serving in later service are allowed (eg: a B-52 in 2023, a 1950's Havana taxi still being used).  Subjects from earlier eras, but in service in the 1950's are allowed (eg: a DC-3 flying for Rhodesian airlines in 1956).

or

2 Physical models of any scale, profiles, and stories are eligible but your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used and in service during the 1950's.  Subjects from this era, but in later use are not permitted (eg: a EE Lightning in 1972 service with Switzerland is not eligible)   

OK we have checked the VAR and we are going with

Physical models of any scale, profiles, and stories are eligible but your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used and in service during the 1950's.  Subjects from this era, but in later use are not permitted (eg: a EE Lightning in 1972 service with Switzerland is not eligible)

Can we for once and for all clarify this rule.  It seems Dizzy has a Gulf War 1 (1991) Jet Provost build in progress.  Is a 50s design in later service allowed or not?  I assumed NOT based on this post. 

Yes, clarification please.

You say "your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used and in service during the 1950's.  Subjects from this era, but in later use are not permitted".

Do you mean "your subject must be shown being used during the 1950's"?

Quote from: zenrat on March 02, 2023, 01:35:49 AM

Quote from: AeroplaneDriver on March 02, 2023, 12:16:50 AM

Quote from: crudebuteffective on February 08, 2023, 10:08:35 AM

Quote from: sandiego89 on February 08, 2023, 07:09:37 AMMight be best to specifically state if something from the 1950's in later service is eligible or not, or if something from the 1940's (or earlier) but still serving in the 1950's is eligible.  Looks like Dizzy was asking about a F-106 (first flight 1959) but in later Vietnam service. 

Either:

2 Physical models of any scale, profiles, and stories are eligible but your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used during the 1950's.  Subjects from this era, but serving in later service are allowed (eg: a B-52 in 2023, a 1950's Havana taxi still being used).  Subjects from earlier eras, but in service in the 1950's are allowed (eg: a DC-3 flying for Rhodesian airlines in 1956).

or

2 Physical models of any scale, profiles, and stories are eligible but your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used and in service during the 1950's.  Subjects from this era, but in later use are not permitted (eg: a EE Lightning in 1972 service with Switzerland is not eligible)   

OK we have checked the VAR and we are going with

Physical models of any scale, profiles, and stories are eligible but your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used and in service during the 1950's.  Subjects from this era, but in later use are not permitted (eg: a EE Lightning in 1972 service with Switzerland is not eligible)

Can we for once and for all clarify this rule.  It seems Dizzy has a Gulf War 1 (1991) Jet Provost build in progress.  Is a 50s design in later service allowed or not?  I assumed NOT based on this post. 

Yes, clarification please.

You say "your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used and in service during the 1950's.  Subjects from this era, but in later use are not permitted".

Do you mean "your subject must be shown being used during the 1950's"?

hi

for clarification

the subject must be shown in use in the 1950s

Mark/Ollie  (CBE)

 :thumbsup:

<edit - thumbs up for clarity.  Not because other people's plans have been kyboshed>

O.K., then both of my projects must be withdrwan and the threads moved into other forms, please?

Quote from: crudebuteffective on March 02, 2023, 02:25:14 AMfor clarification

the subject must be shown in use in the 1950s

Mark/Ollie  (CBE)

Fair enough. Then I'll sit back and enjoy the show as my subjects, while often proposed/designed in the 1950's, almost invariable are presented as in service in the 1970's to 1990's. But no hard feelings whatsoever, and really great that this was clarified early on.  :thumbsup:

Quote from: crudebuteffective on March 02, 2023, 02:25:14 AMhi

for clarification

the subject must be shown in use in the 1950s

Mark/Ollie  (CBE)

Does the subject have to in service, or do test, trials and developmental operations count?

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Quote from: crudebuteffective on March 02, 2023, 02:25:14 AMhi

for clarification

the subject must be shown in use in the 1950s

Mark/Ollie  (CBE)

Does the subject have to in service, or do test, trials and developmental operations count?

yes mate test,trials and development, prototypes count

Right, firstly can I apologise but I may well have caused some of the confusion with the rules simply by not keeping them up to date with any modifications. Sorry for that.

So the Rules as finalised, and I've hi-lighted the area that was causing perhaps the most confusion.


THE 1950's GB RULES

1.   The 1950's GB runs from 00:01 Wednesday 1 March 2023 to 23:59 Wednesday 31 May 2023 (all times local).  An extension may or may not be considered/set up according to demand and or pecuniary overtures.

2 Physical models of any scale, profiles, and stories are eligible but your subject must be a whif that was either built, designed, proposed, considered or used during the 1950's. Subjects in use post 1959 are not eligible.
 
Your whiff can be as simple (change of markings or camo scheme) or as complex (full on kit bashing) as you wish.  If in doubt as to what's in scope then contact the Mods.

3)  You may build, draw or write as many entries as you like (good luck!).  The posting of in-progress pictures is encouraged as always.  Back stories - however long or short - supporting physical models and profiles are always welcome.

4) "Preparation" work is allowed prior to the start of the GB - this includes the cutting out and cleaning up of parts, even designing and printing your own decals, but anything involving paint or glue is not allowed.

5) Eligibility of part-started models will be considered by the moderators. You should pm to explain what you have done (pictures are a great help if you can include them) and they will decide, their decision being final.

6) No rule 6 - is there ever a rule 6 ? It's one rule or another so from now on it's 6
 
7) Your Moderators are Crudebuteffective and Crudebuteffective the Younger. Thank you, gentlemen.

8. The completed builds thread will be locked at the end of the GB and shortly afterwards the poll will be set up. The number of votes each member will get depends on the number of entries.  Keep your eyes out for updates!

9) As decided earlier in the year by the Membership the first three placed entries in the Group Build will automatically be nominated for a Whiffy in a new, specific Group Build Class.

I was going to lock this thread and start a new one for the finalised rules, but I thought I might confuse things even more  :-\

I'd lock it now, Chris, before people start arguing debating the details of the rules ... Again. :rolleyes:

One minor pedantic point, if one keeps to the proper numbering of years, 1951 is the first year of the
1950s and 1960 is the last year as the 1950s are the sixth decade of the 20th century not the fifth.
;) ;D

See! :rolleyes:

Quote from: Old Wombat on March 03, 2023, 08:15:57 PMSee! :rolleyes:

;D ;D :wacko: ;D

Next you'll be telling us the current millennium began on 01-01-2001 and the whole 1999/2000 thing was a year early...

 ;)

Quote from: Old Wombat on March 03, 2023, 06:58:19 AMI'd lock it now, Chris, before people start arguing debating the details of the rules ... Again. :rolleyes:

I may well do, we shall see.