Decided that I may as well just start an individual thread for this build which is based on the recent KP S-199 release rather than the old kit that was out way back in 1977. This kit is based on the AZ Models Bf 109 range and so shared many of the same sprues. Haveing also bought the eduard dual kit of the S-199, this one became whiff fodder. I am hopeing not to reveal what the whiff element is untill the build is finished :wacko: I know, bit of a tease but I am sure it will be worth it in the end.
I am fairly sure that the kit if built as per the kit instructions, which gives options in the assembly stages for versions that are not there in the decals and paint stage :-\ so doing it my way seems the best way.
First off here are the pictures taken and previously shown on my blog
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If I had known at this stage that the two cartridge holes in the underside of the fuselage just behind the wing leading edge, then I would not have to do a bit or remedial work earlier today :banghead:
Anyway, haveing skipped a few mid assembly pictures we come to where I am now. The white part is a replacement for a conduit that pinged off to places unknown and this is a rough replacement takeing measurements from the eduard kit.
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So a bit more fettling which includes the gun sight which I keep procrastinating about as I am going to attempt to replace the moulded on "glass" with some clear film and I am not looking forward to doing that.
Anyway, enough for now, back to the bench...
Gondor
More problems with the instructions :banghead:
The instructions follow the standard AZ Models lay-out with a pictogram of the sprues with the parts not used either in red or crossed out. I just had to sift through a spares box to find the parts that the assembly instructions called for but were marked as not used at the start of instructions :banghead:
Makes you wonder if anyone reads through them befor comitting to volume printing :-\
One thing I did find about the eduard Duel Combination kit of this aircraft and that is that you are forced to build two diffeent versions of the aircraft. One with an under nose radiator of some sort and one like the one I am building, with the conduits under the nose. There are two sprues each with fuselage halfs in the eduard kit, only sprue F has the opitonal under nose parts while sprue E does not, so take care when planning what you are going to build as there are only marking options for two aircraft with the under nose radiator, one Czech and one Israeli only.
Gondor
Quote from: Gondor on January 06, 2023, 06:07:41 AMThe instructions follow the standard AZ Models lay-out with a pictogram of the sprues with the parts not used either in red or crossed out. I just had to sift through a spares box to find the parts that the assembly instructions called for but were marked as not used at the start of instructions :banghead:
One of the reasons I don't remove the smaller parts "not for use" from their sprues until I've finished the kit. Spare fuselage and wings you are normally safer with. ;)
Quote from: Gondor on January 06, 2023, 06:07:41 AMOne thing I did find about the eduard Duel Combination kit of this aircraft and that is that you are forced to build two diffeent versions of the aircraft.
That's been the case with all the Eduard Duel Combo kits I've seen.
I do not read any instructions :party: because I can't spend so much time in that ...
Quote from: NARSES2 on January 06, 2023, 06:12:33 AMThat's been the case with all the Eduard Duel Combo kits I've seen.
A bit disappointing when they gie you options for twelve different machines which in this case is only two options for one sub variant and ten for the other :-\
Gondor
Quote from: Gondor on January 07, 2023, 04:43:24 AMQuote from: NARSES2 on January 06, 2023, 06:12:33 AMThat's been the case with all the Eduard Duel Combo kits I've seen.
A bit disappointing when they gie you options for twelve different machines which in this case is only two options for one sub variant and ten for the other :-\
Gondor
Might be the case that for these types, and one in particular, there aren't that many options out there in the "Real World" ? One thing with AZ/KP is that they don't let the "Real World" interfere with their choice of marking options ;D
Quote from: Gondor on January 07, 2023, 04:43:24 AMQuote from: NARSES2 on January 06, 2023, 06:12:33 AMThat's been the case with all the Eduard Duel Combo kits I've seen.
A bit disappointing when they gie you options for twelve different machines which in this case is only two options for one sub variant and ten for the other :-\
Gondor
That's only disappointing if you limit yourself to what is in the box.
The thing I have been dreading has been partly taken care of, I hope
Behold the devil that has to be faced
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Yes this is 1/72 scale so it is small
It took a couple of attempts to get it there but.....
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I may have it in the wrong place as after I cut the "glass" the part was a little indistinct but once it's in the cockpit who will know?
But realising that it was wrong meant that I had to try and correct it. :banghead:
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Almost, but the glass is hanging off the side :banghead: :banghead:
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After haveing to discard the first peice of glass as too much glue was on it and it was lumpy, I had another go only to find what I had cut had disappeared so a new peice was cut and glued in place after changeing the tools I was usingto improve my manipulation of the part which will have to do for now. A touch up with paint and then glue in position and fit the canopy and cross my fingers I think :-\
Also means that I have a better idea of what I am doing with the next one.
Gondor
I was trying to figure out what that was from the first pic and I thought fire extinguisher because of the sprue still connected to it :unsure:
Bloody good on ya mate for tackling a HUD that small :thumbsup:
I would love to get my hands on a couple of those combo kits especially the Me110 set or the Spitfire and I think FW190 or Me109 but you don't want to buy em here..its far cheaper to just buy the two planes separately if ya want one that badly.
This is the AZ Models kit, the gun sight comes as part of the main sprue so is in grey. The eduard kit has its gun sight helpfully molded in clear plastic so you have to simply paint the part of it you don't want to see through. Much easier.
Gondor
I'm afraid things like that are way beyond my eyesight nowadays :-\
Quote from: NARSES2 on January 09, 2023, 05:56:36 AMI'm afraid things like that are way beyond my eyesight nowadays :-\
It's beyond mine as well now!
While maneuvering the part to make it easier to glue into place..... PING!!! and the sound of it hitting something somewhere :banghead:
I have looked for it, but when your modelling bench looks like this.....
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you kind of give up after a while. Oh, and this is tidy as it used to have a few more kits part built on the bench as well.
Had a look through the instructions for the other AZ Bf109's that I have and the G-12 doesn't use the gun sights so this time I will not try to replace the glass, I will simply paint it as per the instructions and mostly once it's in place!. So the next thing is to give the sight the same cockpit colour and tomorrow fit it into position then add the detail painting of Silver to represent the glass and a dab of brown as leather on the part nearest the pilot and once that is done on goes the canopy and hope nothing falls off or out of place!
Gondor
20 square feet of table top and an 8 x 8 inch space to work...... I think we all do that to some extent or another.
I'm thinking of a hood over the bench lined with double faced tape to catch flying parts. It will work perfectly until I stand up without pushing the chair all the way back......
Hell that's a ton of space Al...my model bench base is the freezer door from a fridge/freezer and it measures 540mm x 680mm.
That's it lads and it looks exactly like Gondors :lol:
I have an entire modelling room that looks like that! :o
Quote from: Old Wombat on January 10, 2023, 01:24:52 AMI have an entire modelling room that looks like that! :o
So does mine, and I decided that the imediate area was of more relevance so that's what I took a picture of. The computer which also has a cutting mat under the keyboard so I can do odd bit's and peices if I want to and almost every flat surface has boxes, instructions or something model related on it so it get a bit fraught when the cat decides he want to go sit on the windowsill :-\
Gondor
Quote from: kerick on January 09, 2023, 10:43:07 PMI'm thinking of a hood over the bench lined with double faced tape to catch flying parts. It will work perfectly until I stand up without pushing the chair all the way back......
;D ;D
The Sight is fitted!
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And of course the photo shows that there is a darn great seam ligne down the middle of the glass. The one peice canpy has been test fitted and found not to interfere which is good. Not going to do anything about the seam as I don't trust the adhesive enough to hold the part in place if I touch it with anything other than a paint brush so it will have to do. So paint and then the canopy will be getting glued in place very soon after I finish this post!
Gondor
Quote from: Old Wombat on January 10, 2023, 01:24:52 AMI have an entire modelling room that looks like that! :o
My whole HOUSE looks like that! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
It's on it's legs!
Well undercarriage legs, but this is a big milestone. Canopy was glued in place, twice :-\
The second time I clamped it down as it had ridden up/sprung up moved upwards somehow which left a gap along the entire Port/Left side.
While looking over the model I noticed that the carburettor intake is showing that it was built from two parts :banghead: so that is on my list of things to do and then it's paint! Humbrol 240 allllll over! It's closeish to the correct colour but is wrong, I have some Hataka paint which is correct as far as I know, on its way to me and that is what will be used on the eduard kits I have.
Gondor
You'll need to fill around the gun bulges on the engine cowlings, as iirc these were stamped as part of the cowlings themselves.
IIRC, KP released a kit of the early S199s with the oil cooler, so that could give alternate markings for the Eduard. There was a Propagteam sheet for the S199 which could also be useful.
Quote from: The Wooksta! on January 13, 2023, 05:13:50 AMYou'll need to fill around the gun bulges on the engine cowlings, as iirc these were stamped as part of the cowlings themselves.
IIRC, KP released a kit of the early S199s with the oil cooler, so that could give alternate markings for the Eduard. There was a Propagteam sheet for the S199 which could also be useful.
The eduard boxing I have contains twelve different markings which include the earlier oil cooler version and as I have the twin pack I have to build one with and one without the oil cooler. The KP kit I have also has parts for that and lits it as an option but no markings for it.
This is the kit KP S-199 (https://www.scalemates.com/kits/kovozavody-prost-jov-kpm0217-avia-s-199-sakin-israeli-service--1325089) which if you look at the time-line for the kit has several different boxings so the oil cooler will probably turn up somewhere amongst them.
As far as the bulges on the cowling, they are stamped out as part of the cowling as haveing just looked at pictures on the net all the pictures I could find that clearly showed the bulges confirmed this.
Gondor
Thought I would have a go at fixing the Carburetor intake for this kit by applying a blob of Superglue to the notched area only to find that the cap of the glue is stuck very firmly to the rest of the container :banghead: :banghead:
I need to go to my locl supermarket tomorrow anyway so I shall pick up a couple of tubes of glue while I am there, maybe not the cheapest but they have the type with the side peices that you push inwards to get glue out and I like the amount of control it gives me. I know what your thinking, not so much control that I didn't get the top stuck on. Well that was my fault for not wipeing the nozzle before fitting the lid :-\
As for the bulges over the engine coweling, I fitted mine too far towards the cockpit. Fortunatly I only used normal glue so a brush with Liquid Poly should get under the parts enabling me to remove and reposition them.
Gondor
And my methodology worked so both of the bulges are now seperate from the rest of the models. Tomorrow when the glue has dried off I can clean them up and ensure that the coweling is filled and smooth as each side of the engine coweling hinges at the top of the coweling and goes all the way down to the top of the exhausts so as the top of the coweling was a seperate part that detail needs to be hidden. But that is for tomorrow.
Gondor
Quote from: Gondor on January 13, 2023, 11:18:26 AMThought I would have a go at fixing the Carburetor intake for this kit by applying a blob of Superglue to the notched area only to find that the cap of the glue is stuck very firmly to the rest of the container :banghead: :banghead:
Gondor
If it's the typical little tube you could poke a hole in it and squeeze out some on some scrap then dab it where you need it with a toothpick.
Quote from: kerick on January 13, 2023, 02:09:44 PMQuote from: Gondor on January 13, 2023, 11:18:26 AMThought I would have a go at fixing the Carburetor intake for this kit by applying a blob of Superglue to the notched area only to find that the cap of the glue is stuck very firmly to the rest of the container :banghead: :banghead:
Gondor
If it's the typical little tube you could poke a hole in it and squeeze out some on some scrap then dab it where you need it with a toothpick.
Unfortunatly it's a screw on top which I did try and unscrew to no avail
Gondor
Quote from: Gondor on January 14, 2023, 02:38:26 AMUnfortunatly it's a screw on top which I did try and unscrew to no avail
Gondor
Run some de-bonder into it ?
Quote from: NARSES2 on January 14, 2023, 06:06:10 AMQuote from: Gondor on January 14, 2023, 02:38:26 AMUnfortunatly it's a screw on top which I did try and unscrew to no avail
Gondor
Run some de-bonder into it ?
You have to have debonder to be able to use it.
This is what I use
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readily available at my local supermarket so this time I bought a spare as well as one to use. I like it for the control you can get with this version, not everyone or maybe even most may like it but it suits me.
Gondor
I've not seen that type of Loctite, I've got their gel type, I'll keep an eye open for it.
For general use I use cheapo £Store stuff. 3 bottles for a £1, used to be 4. Works well enough for most tasks.
Some remedial work has been carried out so far today as well as some research which also lead to so expenditure. I started by looking through Google for pictures of the S-199 to try and make sure that the position of the coweling panels was fixed in my mind as to where it should be. Then after looking at lots of pictures and spending a few pounds on a book I saw a picture of the eduard fuselage halfs and realised that with their breakdown of the parts it would be easy to know where the line should be drawn on the KP kit.
So that's what I did, and I found out that the rear of the panel with the gun troughs is where the panel line is, there is even a slight panel line further down the fuselage sides that lines up! So the line was drawn, with a propelling pencil on the top of the fuselage. That'll show it. ;D
The remains of the glue on the upper fuselage from where the bulges had been has been sanded away and the insides of the bulges have also been smoothed and filler has been applied to the Mules nose where the upper coweling part meets the fuselage so that it shows as one piece. So just need to wait for the filler to dru then I can sand that back and reapply the bulges in what I hope will be the correct place, more resurch to ensure the height up or down the fuselage sides is right, blow that, I will just measure the eduard kit :rolleyes:
Gondor
Quote from: Gondor on January 14, 2023, 02:38:26 AMQuote from: kerick on January 13, 2023, 02:09:44 PMQuote from: Gondor on January 13, 2023, 11:18:26 AMThought I would have a go at fixing the Carburetor intake for this kit by applying a blob of Superglue to the notched area only to find that the cap of the glue is stuck very firmly to the rest of the container :banghead: :banghead:
Gondor
If it's the typical little tube you could poke a hole in it and squeeze out some on some scrap then dab it where you need it with a toothpick.
Unfortunatly it's a screw on top which I did try and unscrew to no avail
Gondor
I see what you are using now. I was thinking of the cheap tube that you could poke a hole in and get one more drop or two out of. No worries.
Quote from: Gondor on January 14, 2023, 06:23:02 AMQuote from: NARSES2 on January 14, 2023, 06:06:10 AMQuote from: Gondor on January 14, 2023, 02:38:26 AMUnfortunatly it's a screw on top which I did try and unscrew to no avail
Gondor
Run some de-bonder into it ?
You have to have debonder to be able to use it.
This is what I use
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readily available at my local supermarket so this time I bought a spare as well as one to use. I like it for the control you can get with this version, not everyone or maybe even most may like it but it suits me.
Gondor
I gave up on this because while i liked the control i hated the way the lids kept getting glued on.
Quote from: zenrat on January 16, 2023, 03:03:32 AMI gave up on this because while i liked the control i hated the way the lids kept getting glued on.
There is some sage advice I was given years ago, "
Always wipe your nozzle" :rolleyes:
Gondor
And the superglue?
Seriously, may well be worth looking at the Eduard CS199 as there's some spares there that could well transfer across, cowling bulges especially.
Quote from: The Wooksta! on January 16, 2023, 05:42:11 AMAnd the superglue?
Seriously, may well be worth looking at the Eduard CS199 as there's some spares there that could well transfer across, cowling bulges especially.
The bulges are fitted into recesses on the eduard kit where with the KP kit they are fitted onto the cowling surface. They are on now and looking reasonable. Thinking of defining the panel line a bit more though.
Gondor
How well would the Eduard cockpit fit another kit?
The instrument panel is definitely going into a Heller K that I grafted an S199 cowl onto some 30 years back. Detailed the cockpit too.
Quote from: The Wooksta! on January 16, 2023, 01:37:46 PMHow well would the Eduard cockpit fit another kit?
The instrument panel is definitely going into a Heller K that I grafted an S199 cowl onto some 30 years back. Detailed the cockpit too.
No idea as all the parts are still on the sprues and in their bags.
Gondor
This could easily end up going into the bin, which is unusual for me to do. The cockpit glazing is fighting me and I already have a slight glue blob on it. It seams that no matter how much fetteling I do it doesn't want to fit correctly. I have also lost the mass balances for the alerions' which although it should have them, they would probably get lost at some point in the future.
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Gondor
Put it to one side for now and come back to it later. A rew weeks later.
As for the Eduard combo, the erla hood option has the oil cooler on the fuselage sprue, the later oil cooler style is on the standard c/s199 sprue. Don't have it to hand but you do get both.
I will see if there is another at Perth at the end of the month and if so call this one a paractice item.
Gondor
IIRC the eduard canopies fit the Kp kit and you definitely get spare.
Just put it to one side for now as it's clearly fighting back. Be happy you not struggling with the original kp one as that really is a horror!
Quote from: The Wooksta! on April 09, 2023, 07:17:39 AMIIRC the eduard canopies fit the Kp kit and you definitely get spare.
Just put it to one side for now as it's clearly fighting back. Be happy you not struggling with the original kp one as that really is a horror!
I did, years ago in the 80's. As far as I remember I possibly had three kits of it, Israeli version, Czechoslovakian in both single and two seater versions. All had canopies that could have been replaced by the bottom of beer bottle which would have improved the visibility through them.
Eduard S-199 Erla has both oil coolers on the fuselage sprue, parts F1 and F7. In addition, the later cooler is on the standard C/S199 sprue, but it needs a spacer as it's too short for the Erla fuselage.
Couldn't see Eduard forcing one choice as they always give lots of spares.
Quote from: The Wooksta! on April 11, 2023, 02:13:34 AMEduard S-199 Erla has both oil coolers on the fuselage sprue, parts F1 and F7. In addition, the later cooler is on the standard C/S199 sprue, but it needs a spacer as it's too short for the Erla fuselage.
Couldn't see Eduard forcing one choice as they always give lots of spares.
The dual boxing gives you two aircraft, but only options for one of each type, with and without that oil cooler.
Haveing recently bought several AZ Models Bf 109's I have found that the H-1 has spare counter balances for the aileron's so I can pinch them from that kit for the mule. Not feeling so down about the build this weekend, if I get the time I will have another go at the canopy
Gondor
Quote from: Gondor on April 15, 2023, 07:28:29 AMNot feeling so down about the build this weekend..
:thumbsup: :wub:
Well nothing happened over the weekend to the model, however things could well be improved by the fact that Lee pestered me about the eduard S-199 haveing multiple options for the canopy and my mind had got stuck with the fact that the dual combo kit gives you two kits but the cooling systems for only one of each type and I was carrying that over to the canopies as well. So result! The two options I plan to build use one of each type so there are enough spare parts, or I should say was as they are in a separate bag next to the kit. This gives me the option to do the canopy open which means I only need to get the windscreen to fit, the rest just needs glued in place. Nothing else will happen today, but the rest of the week I hope to make some progress.
Gondor
If you need the spare oil coolers for the Erla option, I'll stick them in with the Swedish decals. Away from home at the moment so can't sort them out.
Thanks but no need Lee
Gondor
Irrelevant and facetious thought.......does the Czech "Mezek" translate as "Muffin" in BBC children's English?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muffin_the_Mule
Quote from: Rheged on April 18, 2023, 02:57:33 PMIrrelevant and facetious thought.......does the Czech "Mezek" translate as "Muffin" in BBC children's English?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muffin_the_Mule
I thought that was illegal in most parts of the world :unsure:
Quote from: Gondor on April 18, 2023, 10:24:08 PMI thought that was illegal in most parts of the world :unsure:
That was the standard question back in the 60's :angel:
Just had another idea for this build. Since Lee convinced me that there were space canopies in the eduard boxing that I have, I could do this aircraft with the blown hood that the Czechs used on their aircraft. Also means that I will have the Erla canopy to use on something else and it saves me from removeing the canopy rails from the fuselage that I have recently realised I had not removed. Must be providence :thumbsup:
Gondor
Dam eduard and their dual combo kit :banghead:
They do two sprues, E for the version with the bulged canopy hood, and F with the late Bf 109 hood. There are no common parts on these two sprues' so I can't pinch bits for the blown canopy for my Mule but the KP kit does have a lot of parts included for either version so I'm pinching the bits from that for the build.
It looks as if things might come out ok in the end, if I can shift the aerial loop on the rear fuselage futher back towards the fin.
Gondor
You just aren't quite clued in with Eduard and their way of doing multiple versions from the same tools. It's annoying but quite logical.
For example, their Spitfires in 72 have several generic spruces with everything needed for any mk 8, 9 or 16, which means lots of spares and a boxing specific sprue, say a post war 9e high back. Means I can't do a mk9c early, but that doesn't matter, as they have a boxing for that version. Tamiya do the same thing with the Mosquito, several standard sprue and one boxing specific.
The other problem is you're looking at the combo as one kit, whereas it's really just the two profipack boxings in one box with different decals and released early to earn more money.
The Erla sprue is specific to that aircraft, they won't tool bits not needed there as they just push up the cost, especially when they've got the blown hood on a separate sprue in a specific release.
Lee, it took me a little while to get my head around the Dual Combo boxing but managed that a day or two ago.
Anyway, the various lumps and bumps have been installed on the kit, the Loop Aerial decided to come away cleanly so I was able to move it to it's correct place and the blade aeial has also been fitted. I did take the mass balances from my H-1 kit as they are not used and then found one of the original ones and they are now both fitted although they will undoubtedly get lost at some point in time. Almost ready for paint!
Gondor
So this happened :o
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It's now sitting in another room as it dries so that the fumes don't get to me as I used Xtracolour X201 which was the nearest I had in stock to the Humbrol 240 asked for on the box.
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Clearly the above picture is of the canopy :rolleyes: If you have dificulty seeing it, that would be because it's camouflaged ;D
I brush painted both the airframe and the canopy frame. There is a small area on the top of the windscreen that I will have to sort out but that is it :thumbsup:
Gondor
The windscreen is on now and it's looking really nice. Just enough time befor bed to touch up some of the exterior paintwork then I can touch up the interior and then decals. :thumbsup:
Gondor
Coming together :thumbsup:
Wheels are on, they need the tyres touched up where they had been attached to the spre, the tail wheel also needs its rubber painted, will have to check what colour to paint the garter between the tail wheel and fuselage.
Gondor
That's starting to look good mate 👍 ;D
Mine is nearly ready to close the fuselage up, but is going to be a lot more colourful when done.
Looking forward to seeing it done.
Wheels touched up and tail wheel painted. Realised that the radiator outlets needed fitted so they are now on. I had previously painted them but decided to remove the paint on the outer sides to help with glueing, not a problem to touch up later with the Xtracoluor X201 I have used as the main colour as the leading edges of the tail planes look as if they could need a bit more paint on them :-\
Plan is decals tomorrow at the moment.
Gondor
Started to put decals on the kit. Thought I would go for the tail markings first.
The well known red and white tails of the 101 Squadron are only printed in RED :banghead: :banghead:
Off they have come as I would rather try to paint the rudder white and try again with the decals which I do realise may not be inclined to have a second go at getting wet. I did check out the eduard dual combo box I have of this aircraft, only to find that they are the same, paint the rudder white then apply the red as a single sheet which is at least something better than individual red bars. There are after market decals available so using the eduard ones will not stop me building an Israeli option of the eduard kit.
So the fuselage bands, parallel sets of coloured white bands with blue in the middle, no good for going around the fuselage of one of these aircraft just in front of the tail, so more masking and painting.
Not exactly what I needed with only one day to go befor the Scotish Nationals, glad I have tomorrow off work.
Gondor
White has been painted on, not particularly happy with it so far. May decide not to finish this just yet.
Gondor
As I was not happy with the white for the fuselage band and tail, I decided to mask off the fuselage forward of the band. Big mistake as I had not given the decals a coat of varnish and some of the serial number listed with the Tamiya tape I was using but needed to reposition. I think I can save the serial using other decals and the majority of the aircraft is now varnished so there should not be any more decals lifting, I hope.
Gondor
So after applying a coat or two of varnish I got around to applying a little bit of masking...
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And then a bit more :blink:
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I'm hopeing that is enough as I have sprayed white onto the model in the areas that need it. Will find out later I suppose :-\
Gondor
Oh dear :-\
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I was not too worried about the little bits of paint getting under the masking tape on the tail surfaces, its the fact that more decals lifted when removeing the masking tape that is getting my goat as it were.
I am simply going to have to get the sanding sticks out and rub some parts down again and then repaint the green/grey. I was trying to get this ready for the Glasgow show next weekend, doesn't look like I will get it finished in time though :banghead:
Gondor
I am thinking that this model is trying to tell me something?
Such as it doesn't want to play
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While sinding the excess white paint from where it got under the tape on the tail, one of them fell off :banghead:
About the same time I notices that one of the undercarriage legs, the Port one, was wobbling as I was sanding, sure enough it fell off as well :banghead: :banghead:
I also sanded off the remains of the aircraft code to the rear of the fuselage, the kit has a second set of numbers that I will use. The colour scheme given for them is completely different to how I have painted the aircraft but as it's a whiff am I bothered?
I will glue the tail surface later, then much later the undercarriage leg will be sorted out, probably just a blob of super glue, maybe just a dab of Liquid Polly on both surfaces as that has a habit of melting the plastic a little so it coould provide a firm joint. the problem will be sorting oout a jig to ensure everything goes back in exactly the same place.
Gondor
:banghead: :banghead:
Some seem determined not to be built, don't they?!
Quote from: Rick Lowe on October 16, 2023, 12:49:22 AM:banghead: :banghead:
Some seem determined not to be built, don't they?!
Yup :-\
This was built before the decal for the fuselage band decided to disintegrate on me. Everything since then has simply been a result of that. At least when I get around to building the eduard kits I have I will know to spray the white before I do anything else paint wise to the exterior.
However, first things first, reassembly!
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The joint for the tailplane was cleaned up and then the nozzle for my glue was cleaned out :-\ A length of wire being pushed gently through the tube to stop about 1mm from the far end :banghead:
Out with my pack of very small drill bits and a 0.5mm drill used to clean out the dispensing tube. Push the wire through again, and it stuck again about the same place :banghead: Repeat the whole process again and this time the wire managed to go the distance :party:
A small amount of glue was applied to the part which was then fitted in place and the unlikely location found to prop the aircraft to make sure the tailplane stayed where I wanted it.
Tomorrow I will try to get the undercarriage leg back in place :-\ This could lead to all sorts of antics to keet it in the correct position, or maybe I should deal with the paint first and leave the undercarriage until last :-\
Gondor
Paint, then gear. It only gets in the way. I speak from bitter experience.
I believe THIS model needs a strong hand .
Since i use a little bit standard Procedere for the paint job these kind of problems became less for me . But i believe you all are much more expierienced than me and i know that there are these days ... carry on .
Al this sounds like either Humbrol of Contacta professional glues .
I use Contacta alot and learned a few great tricks with it.
First off I never use the cap..mine always has a .5mm piece of piano wire in the tube ..bent at the end ..the glue always flows but when I didn't do that I'd use a lighter to burn the blockage out.
Burns out very fast and doesn't set the rest of the glue on fire .
Since I started using the wire I've never had another blockage :thumbsup:
Quote from: Wardukw on October 16, 2023, 04:51:31 PMFirst off I never use the cap..mine always has a .5mm piece of piano wire in the tube ..bent at the end ..the glue always flows but when I didn't do that I'd use a lighter to burn the blockage out.
Burns out very fast and doesn't set the rest of the glue on fire .
I remove the dispensing tube/needle and then hold it with pliers while I burn it clean.
Quote from: NARSES2 on October 17, 2023, 06:07:26 AMQuote from: Wardukw on October 16, 2023, 04:51:31 PMFirst off I never use the cap..mine always has a .5mm piece of piano wire in the tube ..bent at the end ..the glue always flows but when I didn't do that I'd use a lighter to burn the blockage out.
Burns out very fast and doesn't set the rest of the glue on fire .
I remove the dispensing tube/needle and then hold it with pliers while I burn it clean.
Oh that works quite well and when the bottle is empty I rip out the tube and keep it..they come in quite handy ;D
Quote from: NARSES2 on October 17, 2023, 06:07:26 AMQuote from: Wardukw on October 16, 2023, 04:51:31 PMFirst off I never use the cap..mine always has a .5mm piece of piano wire in the tube ..bent at the end ..the glue always flows but when I didn't do that I'd use a lighter to burn the blockage out.
Burns out very fast and doesn't set the rest of the glue on fire .
I remove the dispensing tube/needle and then hold it with pliers while I burn it clean.
I have mentioned elsewhere that I remove the tube and hold it in pliers while burning the glue out of it over my gas cooker. Started using the wire recently and was supprised at the blockage which I drilled out as I could not be bothered to "toast the tube". I may have a go with the wire and drill on the second Contacta glue I have which for some reason has always appeared to be blocked :unsure:
Gondor
Finally got around to painting over the excess white, only taken three months :rolleyes:
Parts of the fuselage roundels ended up comming off with all the palaver with the masking etc back last year but as I have a decent white to use now I will touch up the missing areas. Once that's dry I need to paint a blue band around the centre of the rear fuselage white band, that's going to be done free hand as I have confidence in using the new brushes I am using.
So progress!
Gondor
Not the best but with the way masking had gone previously I had decided to go free hand
Happier with this side
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than this side
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This is 1/72 scale and it's never been intended for a competition either. Sitting in the middle of a table at a show it will be good enough, especially if I tidy it up a little as this was the first pass with the blue.
Gondor
Looks pretty realistic... These guys aren't using airbrushes or fancy masks:
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Even the codes are rubbish on that Spitfire! :o
Ah, maybe because they've been 'over painted' by the Stripe Crew?
Maybe they wanted to see how strict the German judges were?
"And it's a 4.5 from the East German Judge! Oh, rotten luck Johnny!"
Even when they're painting markings 'properly', they can sometimes be pretty rough - the Squadron Signal book on the P-40 (I think) has a close up of yellow/black checkertail markings that could have benefited from using some masking tape!
The comment was 'Modellers take heart!'...
Got a bit of mojo today so had a go at improveing the stripes.
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I did the rework today because there was a lack of colour density for some of the blue and I was sure that I could get the edges of the blue better in some places and I am sure that I have. It looks better, not perfect but better. Think I shall call that part done. I also touched up parts of the roundels and the fin where the white had either come off or looked too thin.
Gondor
So work had stopped on this build because this happened
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Now the Bf 109 family is known for its spindly undercarriage and building a model in 1/72 is no help so the result is not much of a surprise.
Remedial action has now taken place. First, find some thin wire and a corresponding-sized drill. I happened to have some wire left over from creating a plug for the tube of my Revell Contacta glue which was small enough. The drill bit is 0.6mm in diameter.
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I forgot to take a picture of the drill bit with the wire :banghead:
So I cut a rough length of wire based on how deep each hole was
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Then I fitted the wire and then the leg onto the protruding wire
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I did say a rough length of wire, looks as if it needs a trim
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That's better, although I am using a different piece of wire and the other one disappeared from my tweezers :banghead:
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The result of small amounts of super glue applied to the wire before insertion into the wing and then before the leg was fitted in place. Just enough time to bend the leg into position to match the existing leg. :thumbsup:
A result I am happy with, so another model on the way to being finished. :thumbsup:
Gondor
I've done that a few times. I need to do that with the RF-23 I need to finish. Just looking at that gear you can see how it will break immediately.
I actually mended my Lightning refuelling probe like that as well. And it seems to work so far, also for such a long and slender piece.
That one leg was actually weak anyway, I had probably fitted it slightly off and stressed the plastic when trying to sort it. Later when moving it around on the bench while painting it the leg just gave way. All sorted now which is the main thing.
Gondor
Quote from: Pellson on November 03, 2024, 12:07:04 AMI actually mended my Lightning refuelling probe like that as well. And it seems to work so far, also for such a long and slender piece.
I completely replaced an A-4 probe with wire, in the first place - saved all the potential stress and angst... pics may follow on my blog, in due course...
(oo, you tease! ;) )
Quote from: Rick Lowe on November 05, 2024, 10:34:28 PMQuote from: Pellson on November 03, 2024, 12:07:04 AMI actually mended my Lightning refuelling probe like that as well. And it seems to work so far, also for such a long and slender piece.
I completely replaced an A-4 probe with wire, in the first place - saved all the potential stress and angst... pics may follow on my blog, in due course...
(oo, you tease! ;) )
I'll take that as a promise.. ;)
Quote from: Pellson on November 06, 2024, 11:30:01 AMQuote from: Rick Lowe on November 05, 2024, 10:34:28 PMQuote from: Pellson on November 03, 2024, 12:07:04 AMI actually mended my Lightning refuelling probe like that as well. And it seems to work so far, also for such a long and slender piece.
I completely replaced an A-4 probe with wire, in the first place - saved all the potential stress and angst... pics may follow on my blog, in due course...
(oo, you tease! ;) )
I'll take that as a promise.. ;)
You can certainly do that, but I have to find the thing first, and take some better photos. :banghead: