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Title: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper. Finished pics pg 5.
Post by: zenrat on October 29, 2022, 04:44:51 AM
The starting point for this GB.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52462699913_5a7ee43015_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nVX3UR)Savoia Marchetti SM-82 01 (https://flic.kr/p/2nVX3UR) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52461649232_7a845a6bfc_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nVREzE)Savoia Marchetti SM-82 02 (https://flic.kr/p/2nVREzE) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

The RW Libyan Clipper was a captured Ju-52 flown in the Western Desert by the RAAF during WW2.  At this point the build will be a simple paint only whiff but I may feel compelled to change more than the colour scheme.
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: NARSES2 on October 29, 2022, 06:13:19 AM
Not a kit you see built that often, outside of SIG Italia that is. I've had one in the stash for ages. Mines sprues were loose in the box though, so it was hunt the parts and I never got around to it.
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 29, 2022, 06:15:04 AM
I've never even heard of it, in full size or model form!  :o
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: NARSES2 on October 29, 2022, 06:17:54 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 29, 2022, 06:15:04 AMI've never even heard of it, in full size or model form!  :o

One of a fair few Italian aircraft Italeri do that no one else does.
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Gondor on October 30, 2022, 03:31:45 AM
Looks interesting and one I have seen for sale on eBay a few times and thought about buying as it looks a bit like a streamlined Ju 52. As NARSES2 said it's not normal to see outside of the SIG Italia so you could almost put an OOB one on our SIG table and then sit back and watch all the confused faces.

Gondor
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: zenrat on October 30, 2022, 04:08:33 AM
I had a weakness for Italian Trimotors for a while.
The Canguro is the biggest in my stash.  It had been sitting in the LHS for ages until I talked them down $20 because the box was damaged.  It then sat in my stash for ages while I figured out what to do with it.
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: NARSES2 on October 30, 2022, 06:50:51 AM
Quote from: zenrat on October 30, 2022, 04:08:33 AMI had a weakness for Italian Trimotors for a while.


I've a weakness for most things Italian  :angel:  :wub:
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Rheged on October 30, 2022, 07:35:06 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on October 30, 2022, 06:50:51 AM
Quote from: zenrat on October 30, 2022, 04:08:33 AMI had a weakness for Italian Trimotors for a while.


I've a weakness for most things Italian  :angel:  :wub:

Chianti......Soave......Barolo......possibly even Prosecco.

And to get back to the  Trimotors, the name Libyan Clipper has been used but  Tripoli Taxi, Cyrenaica Charabanc  and  the Benghazi Bus  are all available.
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 30, 2022, 08:07:00 AM
Quote from: Rheged on October 30, 2022, 07:35:06 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on October 30, 2022, 06:50:51 AM
Quote from: zenrat on October 30, 2022, 04:08:33 AMI had a weakness for Italian Trimotors for a while.


I've a weakness for most things Italian  :angel:  :wub:

Chianti......Soave......Barolo......possibly even Prosecco.


Sofia Loren...................Gina Lollobrigida............Claudia Cardinale.............Elsa Martinelli...................  ;D  ;)
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Leading Observer on October 30, 2022, 08:38:50 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 30, 2022, 08:07:00 AM
Quote from: Rheged on October 30, 2022, 07:35:06 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on October 30, 2022, 06:50:51 AM
Quote from: zenrat on October 30, 2022, 04:08:33 AMI had a weakness for Italian Trimotors for a while.


I've a weakness for most things Italian  :angel:  :wub:

Chianti......Soave......Barolo......possibly even Prosecco.


Sofia Loren...................Gina Lollobrigida............Claudia Cardinale.............Elsa Martinelli...................  ;D  ;)

Any one of those Ladies would be ideal for the Nose Art ;D
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: NARSES2 on October 31, 2022, 06:43:17 AM
And we haven't even started to cover the countryside, the food or the motorbikes  ;D
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Old Wombat on October 31, 2022, 07:05:34 AM
Quote from: Leading Observer on October 30, 2022, 08:38:50 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 30, 2022, 08:07:00 AM
Quote from: Rheged on October 30, 2022, 07:35:06 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on October 30, 2022, 06:50:51 AM
Quote from: zenrat on October 30, 2022, 04:08:33 AMI had a weakness for Italian Trimotors for a while.


I've a weakness for most things Italian  :angel:  :wub:

Chianti......Soave......Barolo......possibly even Prosecco.


Sofia Loren...................Gina Lollobrigida............Claudia Cardinale.............Elsa Martinelli...................  ;D  ;)

Any one of those Ladies would be ideal for the Nose Art ;D

Good choices but, perhaps, a bit late for the era of the aircraft? :unsure:

One could do worse than to try this list: Top 22 Italian Movie Stars of the 1930s (https://www.vintag.es/2018/08/italian-movie-stars-of-the-1930s.html)

I quite like Germana Paolieri, Isa Pola, Nelly Corradi & Silvana Jachino. ;)
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: NARSES2 on October 31, 2022, 08:35:33 AM
Germana Paolieri (wonderful photograph), Isa Miranda (Italian Marlene Dietrich ?), Laura Solar (reminds me of a Hollywood star ??), Luisa Garella., would do nicely on the nose of my Mc 202 thankyou very much  :wub:  ;)
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: loupgarou on October 31, 2022, 02:08:37 PM
Quote from: NARSES2 on October 31, 2022, 06:43:17 AMAnd we haven't even started to cover the countryside, the food or the motorbikes  ;D

I refrain from contributing or commenting, as I cannot  be a neutral figure...  ;D
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 31, 2022, 04:00:26 PM
Isa Pola!  :o

Cor WOW!  :thumbsup:  :wub:
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: zenrat on November 01, 2022, 03:57:11 AM
It's the Libyan Clipper because that was a RW trimotor captured from axis forces and used by the RAAF.  The fact that IRL it was a captured German trimotor and this is an Italian one should hopefully sow seeds of doubt within the minds of any observing JMNs.
Given the Libyan Clipper received a complete repaint from RAAF erks, If it had nose art it would not be an Italian sheila.

I started today...

...by taping up the ends of the end opening box and cutting the lid to make it a top opening box.

Out of box the SM-82 is a troop carrier (albeit one with a bomb bay) with two decks of seating and a person sized door on each side towards the rear of the fuselage.  I have had an Airfix Airbourne Jeep kit in the stash for a while which would make for a good load for this.  But it will need a bigger loading door and internal rearrangement.
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: NARSES2 on November 01, 2022, 07:32:29 AM
Quote from: zenrat on November 01, 2022, 03:57:11 AMOut of box the SM-82 is a troop carrier (albeit one with a bomb bay) with two decks of seating and a person sized door on each side towards the rear of the fuselage.

A very mid 30's design concept, the bomber/transport. Quite a few air forces toyed with the idea.
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: jcf on November 01, 2022, 01:08:53 PM
The cargo floor decking was reconfigurable panels and the main cargo hatch was in the belly,
evidently large loads could be taken in through the bombay, photos exist of MC.200 and CR.42
fuselages inside the SM.82.

The aircraft was equipped with a chainfall winch sliding on a beam running down the length of
cabin.

Drawings from here:
Selections from SM.82 Parts Catalog and Assemblies Manual (http://www.cmpr.it/MN%20-%20S.M.%2082.htm)

Which is from this page, which has an extensive collection of a large variety of types.
Some have entries for both the parts catalog and assemblies manual, others only one
or the other. Images are of variable quality: 
Manuals and Parts Lists (http://www.cmpr.it/manuali.htm)

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Upper troop deck floor panels.

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Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: zenrat on November 02, 2022, 03:46:47 AM
Thanks Jon.  That will all be very handy.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: zenrat on November 26, 2022, 03:27:13 AM
Progress.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52524614748_0bc62bbfc5_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2o2qo31)Libiyan Clipper WIP 26-11-2022 01 (https://flic.kr/p/2o2qo31) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

Payload will be a jeep.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52524063271_64e3fc3c5f_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2o2ny6M)Libiyan Clipper WIP 26-11-2022 02 (https://flic.kr/p/2o2ny6M) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: zenrat on December 16, 2022, 03:14:23 AM
Jeeps done.  Still working on the interior of the plane.
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: zenrat on December 17, 2022, 02:27:30 AM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52568966533_ec69fb426a_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2o6kGgX)Libyan Clipper WIP 17-12-2022 02 (https://flic.kr/p/2o6kGgX) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

Like the same firms C-119 there is a pretty good level of interior detail on this kit.  Seats are three parts each, there are five separate transfers making up the instrument panel, and there is even a fire extinguisher moulded into the rear cockpit bulkhead.
It will obviously never be seen again once I close the fuselage halves up.
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: rickshaw on December 17, 2022, 03:44:06 AM
Rather a bright yellow-green there, Fred.
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: zenrat on December 17, 2022, 03:57:08 AM
Vallejo Golden Olive.  It's not actually that vibrant but my phone camera livened it up.

Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: NARSES2 on December 17, 2022, 05:51:52 AM
Quote from: zenrat on December 17, 2022, 03:57:08 AMVallejo Golden Olive.  It's not actually that vibrant but my phone camera livened it up.



Verde Mimetico 53192 (Interior Green) was rather bright, so  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: rickshaw on December 17, 2022, 06:03:56 PM
Quote from: zenrat on December 17, 2022, 03:57:08 AMVallejo Golden Olive.  It's not actually that vibrant but my phone camera livened it up.

Thought as much...   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Pellson on December 18, 2022, 08:00:45 AM
Looking good so far, Fred. I have one of those in my StashTM so it's really cool to see your work on yours  :wub:
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 18, 2022, 11:55:30 PM
This is GREEEEN!  ;D
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: zenrat on December 31, 2022, 03:22:17 AM
Fuselage together.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52596895967_bc673bcc78_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2o8NQHV)SM-82 WIP 31-12-2022 05 (https://flic.kr/p/2o8NQHV) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

But fit is crap.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52597816685_ea141abd11_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2o8Tyqn)SM-82 WIP 31-12-2022 01 (https://flic.kr/p/2o8Tyqn) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

Cargo/Bomb bay roof (floor of upper deck) is twisted and there are huge gaps and recesses where the wing roots are.  Now I know this doesn't matter if I never show anyone or glue the doors closed but, well it's that obsession thing again.  So I am scratching up a liner to hide all the gaps.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52597904128_4e9764e46d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2o8U1q1)SM-82 WIP 31-12-2022 04 (https://flic.kr/p/2o8U1q1) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52597648514_aaf64c2067_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2o8SGqS)SM-82 WIP 31-12-2022 02 (https://flic.kr/p/2o8SGqS) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52597816395_a71516fe2f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2o8Tykn)SM-82 WIP 31-12-2022 06 (https://flic.kr/p/2o8Tykn) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr


Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 31, 2022, 04:47:19 AM
Blimey, huge gaps is right! You'll have scratchbuilt much of it by the time it's done Fred.   :o
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: NARSES2 on December 31, 2022, 04:51:10 AM
Unfortunately it's the same with a lot of those Italeri kits ; wonderful subjects, terrible fit  :-\
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: jcf on December 31, 2022, 02:45:01 PM
Gaah.  :banghead:

It looks like a classic "glue the wing uppers to the fuselage and when set glue on the bottom halves,
making any necessary adjustments, filling, correcting alignment issues etc. on the bottom."
:banghead:

All predicated on being able to keep the uppers in the correct positioning - and attached, while adding
the lowers.
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: zenrat on January 02, 2023, 02:17:26 AM
Wings are not glued on yet.  But when they are it will not be pretty.
I want to get the fuselage smooth before attacking the roots.

Cargo bay is now lined.  It's actually now not quite high enough to fit a jeep on a pallet.  But we'll keep that between ourselves...

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52601774461_a546b56726_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2o9eQVT)SM-82 WIP 02--01-2023 02 (https://flic.kr/p/2o9eQVT) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Gondor on January 02, 2023, 04:00:34 AM
Quote from: zenrat on January 02, 2023, 02:17:26 AMCargo bay is now lined.  It's actually now not quite high enough to fit a jeep on a pallet.  But we'll keep that between ourselves...


Ah, but if it was fitted in the stowed position you would not see it so the point is mute. If you are going to show the jeep being loaded or unloaded then it won't be inside the cargo area so doesn't need to fit.

Gondor
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: zenrat on January 03, 2023, 03:23:01 AM
Quote from: Gondor on January 02, 2023, 04:00:34 AM
Quote from: zenrat on January 02, 2023, 02:17:26 AMCargo bay is now lined.  It's actually now not quite high enough to fit a jeep on a pallet.  But we'll keep that between ourselves...


Ah, but if it was fitted in the stowed position you would not see it so the point is mute. If you are going to show the jeep being loaded or unloaded then it won't be inside the cargo area so doesn't need to fit.

Gondor

My thoughts exactly.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Gondor on January 03, 2023, 04:37:50 AM
Quote from: zenrat on January 03, 2023, 03:23:01 AM
Quote from: Gondor on January 02, 2023, 04:00:34 AM
Quote from: zenrat on January 02, 2023, 02:17:26 AMCargo bay is now lined.  It's actually now not quite high enough to fit a jeep on a pallet.  But we'll keep that between ourselves...


Ah, but if it was fitted in the stowed position you would not see it so the point is mute. If you are going to show the jeep being loaded or unloaded then it won't be inside the cargo area so doesn't need to fit.

Gondor

My thoughts exactly.
 :thumbsup:

As long as it looks as if it will fit

Gondor
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: zenrat on January 04, 2023, 02:05:36 AM
It would fit if the roof the cargo bay was also the floor of the upper deck.  Which it should have been.

I plan to pose it with the Jeep on its pallet hanging from the bay just clear of the ground.
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Gondor on January 04, 2023, 02:31:58 AM
Quote from: zenrat on January 04, 2023, 02:05:36 AMIt would fit if the roof the cargo bay was also the floor of the upper deck.  Which it should have been.

I plan to pose it with the Jeep on its pallet hanging from the bay just clear of the ground.

 :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Rheged on January 04, 2023, 06:23:36 AM
You could baffle JMNs by mounting the jeep on a "Hajile" pallet.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajile#:~:text=Hajile%20was%20an%20experimental%20project,air%2Ddropped%20supplies%20with%20retrorockets.

Perfectly true, and mind bogglingly unexpected!
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: rickshaw on January 04, 2023, 06:13:15 PM
By 1945, the Airborne boys were dropping 6 Lb guns and jeeps as a single load from Stirling bombers experimentally.  It was all suspended from a beam in the Bombbay and dropped as a single load onto the target zone.  Apparently it worked quite well, after a few stuffups in the testing. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: zenrat on January 07, 2023, 03:21:20 AM
Stage one fuselage PSR done.  Fuselage windows masked and wings glued on.
Wing PSR requirements could be worse but it's not good.
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: zenrat on January 12, 2023, 01:21:15 AM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52621887202_0eb228b649_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ob1VKh)SM-82 WIP 12-01-2023 (https://flic.kr/p/2ob1VKh) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Old Wombat on January 12, 2023, 01:38:09 AM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: zenrat on January 16, 2023, 02:03:59 AM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52627633722_50061da303_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2obwnZd)SM-82 WIP 15-01-2023 (https://flic.kr/p/2obwnZd) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: NARSES2 on January 16, 2023, 06:35:12 AM
That's looking remarkably neat for that kit  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Gondor on January 16, 2023, 10:37:25 AM
Looks sharp in the standart Zenrat Industries colours  :thumbsup:

Gondor
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: zenrat on January 17, 2023, 03:06:58 AM
Ummmmmmm, that's actually grey primer.  The lights are "cool daylight" which adds the blue sheen.
I put more putty on today.
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: zenrat on January 26, 2023, 02:17:33 AM
At last, I have started to paint it.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52650324528_c7a21bf00f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2odwFb1)SM-82 WIP 26-01-2023 (https://flic.kr/p/2odwFb1) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: zenrat on January 29, 2023, 02:35:28 AM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52655642001_0904ac147c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2odZVSz)SM-82 WIP 29-01-2023 (https://flic.kr/p/2odZVSz) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: loupgarou on January 29, 2023, 04:55:37 AM
Very nice. Am I wrong or the camo shape is the classic RAF WW2 one?
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: zenrat on January 30, 2023, 03:10:53 AM
Given that it's a captured aircraft repainted by RAAF erks, yes.
The real Libyan Clipper was a Ju52 left behind by the retreating nazis.  It was used by 450 Squadron RAAF to transport mail, food supplies and small items from Cairo and back to the front line, doing two or three trips each week.

(https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/awm-media/collection/P03372.005/screen/4085981.JPG)
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Old Wombat on January 30, 2023, 03:49:16 AM
Probably mostly involving beer. ;)
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: zenrat on January 31, 2023, 03:03:19 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on January 30, 2023, 03:49:16 AMProbably mostly involving beer. ;)

I guess the "small items" could be tinnies... :mellow:
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Wardukw on January 31, 2023, 12:15:06 PM
So good to see this Fred..ya very rarely see tri motors and especially this one . ;D
I know the end result is gonna look great mate so as you can guess..really looking forward to it  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: zenrat on February 01, 2023, 03:37:32 AM
I have a weakness for Italian trimotors.  I've already built an SM-81 and have an SM-79 and a Z.1007 in the stash.
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: kitbasher on February 01, 2023, 04:24:19 AM
Quote from: zenrat on February 01, 2023, 03:37:32 AMI have a weakness for Italian trimotors.  I've already built an SM-81 and have an SM-79 and a Z.1007 in the stash.

The Airfix SM-79 is the one I'd treat myself to, it's a subject that's intrigued me since I first saw them on the shelves (many, many years ago).  One day, perhaps.
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Flyer on February 01, 2023, 04:50:23 AM
Quote from: zenrat on February 01, 2023, 03:37:32 AMI have a weakness for Italian trimotors.  I've already built an SM-81 and have an SM-79 and a Z.1007 in the stash.


Single or twin fin? Or does the kit supply both options? I prefer the twin fin version but if the kit has the option for either I'd be tempted to make it a triple fin. ;D
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: NARSES2 on February 01, 2023, 06:03:53 AM
Must admit I've a weakness for most things Italian.
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Old Wombat on February 01, 2023, 06:11:04 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on February 01, 2023, 06:03:53 AMMust admit I've a weakness for most things Italian.

I'm sure you do, Chris! :wacko:  :wacko:  :wacko:
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: NARSES2 on February 01, 2023, 06:17:56 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on February 01, 2023, 06:11:04 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on February 01, 2023, 06:03:53 AMMust admit I've a weakness for most things Italian.

I'm sure you do, Chris! :wacko:  :wacko:  :wacko:

Yup, hopefully back to Sicily this year  :angel:
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Rheged on February 01, 2023, 09:00:04 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on February 01, 2023, 06:11:04 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on February 01, 2023, 06:03:53 AMMust admit I've a weakness for most things Italian.

I'm sure you do, Chris! :wacko:  :wacko:  :wacko:

Barolo, Bardolino, Chianti, Frascati, Gambarella, Soave,  Valpolystrippa Valpolicella,  Sophia Lauren,  Claudia Cardinale  and no doubt several other Italians too.  I suspect that linguini and cutoletta Milanese  might possibly hit the list too.
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: zenrat on February 02, 2023, 03:13:54 AM
Quote from: Flyer on February 01, 2023, 04:50:23 AM
Quote from: zenrat on February 01, 2023, 03:37:32 AMI have a weakness for Italian trimotors.  I've already built an SM-81 and have an SM-79 and a Z.1007 in the stash.


Single or twin fin? Or does the kit supply both options? I prefer the twin fin version but if the kit has the option for either I'd be tempted to make it a triple fin. ;D

Twin.  Supermodel released separate kits of the two subtypes.

I may have found and ordered a Z.506 on evil-bay last night.
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Flyer on February 02, 2023, 05:10:59 AM
Nice! Three engines and floats, that may be a good addition  ;D

Italian designer's in the 30's and 40's seemed to have had a good eye for proportions, I cannot think of an aircraft by them in that era that I don't like the look of. They may have been slightly underpowered and/or light on armament but they looked good.
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Old Wombat on February 02, 2023, 06:32:09 AM
Quote from: Flyer on February 02, 2023, 05:10:59 AMItalian designer's in the 30's and 40's seemed to have had a good eye for proportions, I cannot think of an aircraft by them in that era that I don't like the look of. They may have been slightly underpowered and/or light on armament but they looked good.

Always an important consideration for Italian designers: Looks, then Function! :wacko:
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Pellson on February 02, 2023, 01:26:14 PM
Quote from: Old Wombat on February 02, 2023, 06:32:09 AM
Quote from: Flyer on February 02, 2023, 05:10:59 AMItalian designer's in the 30's and 40's seemed to have had a good eye for proportions, I cannot think of an aircraft by them in that era that I don't like the look of. They may have been slightly underpowered and/or light on armament but they looked good.

As an ex-Alfa Romeo owner, I'm inclined to agree. That said, the Alfas were always much loved.  :wub:

Always an important consideration for Italian designers: Looks, then Function! :wacko:
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: zenrat on February 10, 2023, 01:28:39 AM
Cleared her today.  Should get the transfers on tomorrow.
Painting of fiddley bits progressing.
CPA shows removal of masking on glazing followed by remedial paintwork is biggest potential f**kup and delay.

I think she'll be finished by St Val's Day but it's going to be tight and I don't think i'll get the planned jeep hoist built and fitted into the bomb cargo bay.

Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: zenrat on February 13, 2023, 03:14:01 AM
Masking removed without major f**kup.
Looking promising.
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Flyer on February 13, 2023, 03:16:51 AM
Good  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: NARSES2 on February 13, 2023, 06:51:16 AM
Quote from: zenrat on February 13, 2023, 03:14:01 AMLooking promising.


I'm touching all the wood possible for you  ;)
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: zenrat on February 14, 2023, 02:27:51 AM
I'm calling this done enough to post.
There are still a number of small bits and pieces to attach and paint, and the jeep cradle mechanism to scratch up, and some light weathering but it's together enough for Post Office duties.

Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper.  Gambut Main February 1942.

Left behind by retreating Italian forces a Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Marsupiale was pressed into service by 450 Sqn RAAF, repainted,  and used to fly beer and jeeps (both vital supplies) from Alexandria to Tripoli and other points in North Africa.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52688795133_8a3f01c4f0_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ogVR9i)Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper 95%  - 1 (https://flic.kr/p/2ogVR9i) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52687782332_6a7ebeaca6_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ogQE5d)Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper 95%  - 6 (https://flic.kr/p/2ogQE5d) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52688725755_21ed2d982f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ogVuw8)Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper 95%  - 3 (https://flic.kr/p/2ogVuw8) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

In reality the Libyan Clipper was a Ju 52.

Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 14, 2023, 03:44:03 AM
That is splendid! I especially like the dropped flaps, I rarely do that and perhaps I should.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: NARSES2 on February 14, 2023, 06:14:29 AM
Looks good mate  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Old Wombat on February 14, 2023, 06:30:36 AM
Great result, Fred! :thumbsup:

And good to see they had their priorities right! ;)
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Wardukw on February 15, 2023, 12:56:32 AM
Love it Fred...another of your builds mate..excellent as usual  ;D
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: loupgarou on February 15, 2023, 02:10:28 AM
Beautiful build of an interesting plane.
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Pellson on February 15, 2023, 02:38:37 AM
Great job!!  :wub:
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: DogfighterZen on February 15, 2023, 03:47:23 AM
That big bird looks good! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Flyer on February 15, 2023, 03:00:53 PM
I like it  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: Gondor on February 16, 2023, 03:00:00 AM
Quote from: DogfighterZen on February 15, 2023, 03:47:23 AMThat big bird looks good! :thumbsup:

That makes me think it should be Yellow  :rolleyes:

It looks fantastic! Works well in those colours and not many will know the aircraft type too!

Gondor
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper
Post by: zenrat on February 16, 2023, 03:19:31 AM
Thanks folks.
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper. Finished pics pg 5.
Post by: zenrat on April 13, 2023, 04:52:53 AM
And finally I got my rear end in gear and took some more pics with the finished Jeep & Pallet.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52814642250_e47b8bb1ec_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ot3R7b)Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper  - 5 (https://flic.kr/p/2ot3R7b) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

You can't see much of it when it's in position.  Which is why I didn't follow through with my plan to hook it up to the plane so it was suspended mm's off the deck.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52814227766_451b3f6991_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ot1HTU)Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper  - 4 (https://flic.kr/p/2ot1HTU) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

Airfix Airbourne is definitely the best 1/72 Jeep kit i've built.  So good I immediately bought another.  As well as the pallet it comes with lightweight howitzer, trailer, and a variety of machine guns.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52814682488_0dc5e8c100_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ot444W)Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper  - 21 (https://flic.kr/p/2ot444W) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52814227516_86b9d2969b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ot1HPA)Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper  - 12 (https://flic.kr/p/2ot1HPA) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52814642090_ab9e086987_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ot3R4q)Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper  - 14 (https://flic.kr/p/2ot3R4q) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr



Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper. Finished pics pg 5.
Post by: Pellson on April 13, 2023, 05:03:06 AM
Ooh, this is NICE!! :wub:
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper. Finished pics pg 5.
Post by: Old Wombat on April 13, 2023, 05:46:28 AM
 :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper. Finished pics pg 5.
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 13, 2023, 06:00:41 AM
MOST impressive Fred!  :thumbsup:  :bow:

The pic of the Jeep on its own doesn't give even a hint of its scale, or it doesn't to me who's never even seen that kit.

I like the way you've used a localised anti-gravity field to hold the gantry in place over the built Jeep too..............

(How DID you do that???)
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper. Finished pics pg 5.
Post by: NARSES2 on April 13, 2023, 06:01:31 AM
She certainly suits that scheme  :thumbsup: and that jeep is tiny
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper. Finished pics pg 5.
Post by: zenrat on April 13, 2023, 06:26:26 AM
Thanks folks.

Quote from: PR19_Kit on April 13, 2023, 06:00:41 AM...I like the way you've used a localised anti-gravity field to hold the gantry in place over the built Jeep too..............

(How DID you do that???)

Tiny skyhooks...
Title: Re: Savoia Marchetti SM-82 Libyan Clipper. Finished pics pg 5.
Post by: Rheged on April 13, 2023, 08:01:43 AM
I am considerably impressed!