Thought I would start a thread to cover my builds of both the old and new Airfix Vulcan kits.
I have three kits of each and multiple ideas for what to do with almost all of them, even down to serial numbers of some of those that will be real world builds.
At the moment I have started to work on a r/w Blue Steel aircraft and a whiff conventional bomber version. The intent is to use as much of the bomb bay from the new kit and to replace what I can with blank plastic card to help keep everything nice and neat and in order.
So far
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The two side pieces of the bay, on the left, will not have the lower notches cut out as those are where the open bomb bay doors locate and that's not necessary where they are going. The front and rear of the bay, on the right, will have to be detailed as I do not intend to try and swap out the front and rear of the bomb bay from their spars, way to difficult to get right and to stay rigid so its scratch building replacement parts.
Gondor
Getting there, but slowly. Realised that to use the home made bomb bay structure I needed to make sure that it would fit the kit, so out comes a second New Vulcan so I can build the structure and fit the upper and lower parts of the wing together so that when I fit the hand made parts I can check for fit.
Realised that the arches for the structures inside the bomb bay had lightening holes in them so will I need to modify the kit parts or will the bombs hide the holes or lack of, we shall see. The bombs go together very nicly though.
Gondor
More odds and ends done. Now kind of working on parts of three Vulcans just to do one old one with upgraded parts from one new kit. Getting there even if slowly. Hope to have something to show for it soon.
Gondor
I've been tinkering away with this so I thought I better show a few pictures.
First off, one slightly out of focus picture of the bombs from the new kit. Two fully assembled clips on the left and the two half's on the right. The full clips are help in place by a mixture of gravity and friction so I can paint them more easily.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51333343454_43917a00b8_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2md9NzL)
Next is the old upper fuselage with rough pen marks for where the wing spars are which also form the front and rear of the bomb bay. As you can see I cut a big chunk out of the locating slot for the tail fin as it would have protruded into the bomb bay.
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The tail fin was suitably modified as well
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And here it is with the frame from the new kit placed onto the the old kit
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I'm not going to be adding all of the frame, just the sides and the arches of the bomb bay, the front and rear of the bay will be scratch built.
The blanking plates for Blue Steel provided with the old kit were fitted. The rear part fits reasonably well, the front one is a horrible shape for what it's doing and is far, far better handled in the new kit.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51333617290_c56b45bce6_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mdbcZ5)
Some sanding has taken place on the rear Blue Steel fillet but will require some filler to fully blend it in, the front one will need a lot of filler. Thankfully this build will have the bomb bay doors open and the wheels down so if the shape isn't correct it won't be so noticeable.
Gondor
Second update for today :o
The exhausts are all together, or at least as far as they will be for now
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301's at the top and the 202's at the bottom. The 202's can easily be made into 201's by removing the squarish lumps on the top and lower sides.
202 set up for the Starboard side
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301 set up for the Starboard side
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and a view from the rear of the assembly
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The 200 series exhausts, while in the kit are not in the instructions as the two aircraft depicted had 300 series engines. It's a fairly simple matter to assemble the parts though which have engine numbers, 1-4, on the inside of the trailing edge part. Hope that makes sense.
For engines 1 and 2 of the 200 series exhausts are on part 23. Engine 1 then uses parts 20 with parts 24 and 25 going around part 20 and fitting to part 23, just like the parts in the instructions. Engine 2 uses part 21 with parts 26 and 27 fitting around part 21 and fitting to part 23. I didn't make notes for engines 3 and 4 unfortunately but it should be easy to work out as each exhaust part is keyed. I have also ended up with slight seams which should be easy to sort out.
As the 200 series exhausts are for my Blue Steel new Vulcan, the 301 exhausts will be going onto my old Vulcan. I am already working on a way to replicate the rear of the engine and the exhaust tunnel which may be fiddly but in theory should work.
Gondor
Quote from: Gondor on July 25, 2021, 12:21:14 AM
I've been tinkering away with this so I thought I better show a few pictures.
First off, one slightly out of focus picture of the bombs from the new kit. Two fully assembled clips on the left and the two half's on the right. The full clips are help in place by a mixture of gravity and friction so I can paint them more easily.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51333343454_43917a00b8_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2md9NzL)
Gondor
There's a video on YT called Vulcan Bomb Loading Procedure. At the end of it there's film of a 10-Bomb clip/rack being loaded.
Florey Models are building the new Airfix kit, there's some footage on YouTube.
Thanks guys but I am not interested in watching video's of someone building a model, I can manage to do that on my own, finnishing them is a different problem that no video can help with.
There is also no point in following a video when I am not building the kit Out Of the Box which is what they would be doing in the video and it's not what I am doing with this build!
Gondor the grumpy
Alastair, what are the part numbers for the bomb parts please. I've written to Airfix to see if they are contemplating having an accessory pack of them so they could be used in the Victor. The message I got back today said my query had been forwarded to the 'development' department but I could get the bits from the 'spares' department if I could give them the part numbers. Seems a bit of a waste of three kits though, I'd need nine clips --- and I'm thinking of the Valiant kit too --
Danger miniature engineer at work ;)
Looking good sir :thumbsup:
Quote from: kitnut617 on July 26, 2021, 06:16:33 AM
Alastair, what are the part numbers for the bomb parts please. I've written to Airfix to see if they are contemplating having an accessory pack of them so they could be used in the Victor. The message I got back today said my query had been forwarded to the 'development' department but I could get the bits from the 'spares' department if I could give them the part numbers. Seems a bit of a waste of three kits though, I'd need nine clips --- and I'm thinking of the Valiant kit too --
The Valiant kit comes with an optional bomb load, normal and instant sunshine veriaties.
The new Vulcan kit has the bombs on Sprue L while the frame/walls etc are on Sprue D.
Quote from: NARSES2 on July 26, 2021, 06:28:07 AM
Danger miniature engineer at work ;)
Looking good sir :thumbsup:
Nope, I'm 1:1 scale ;D
Gondor
;D :thumbsup:
Quote from: Gondor on July 26, 2021, 06:40:41 AM
Quote from: kitnut617 on July 26, 2021, 06:16:33 AM
Alastair, what are the part numbers for the bomb parts please. I've written to Airfix to see if they are contemplating having an accessory pack of them so they could be used in the Victor. The message I got back today said my query had been forwarded to the 'development' department but I could get the bits from the 'spares' department if I could give them the part numbers. Seems a bit of a waste of three kits though, I'd need nine clips --- and I'm thinking of the Valiant kit too --
The Valiant kit comes with an optional bomb load, normal and instant sunshine veriaties.
The new Vulcan kit has the bombs on Sprue L while the frame/walls etc are on Sprue D.
Gondor
Thanks Alastair, is Sprue L a stand alone sprue or are there other bits on it ?
I can strike off the Valiant then, thanks for that bit of info.
Quote from: kitnut617 on July 26, 2021, 08:19:24 AM
Thanks Alastair, is Sprue L a stand alone sprue or are there other bits on it ?
I can strike off the Valiant then, thanks for that bit of info.
Sprue L has the bombs and the bomb bay door in both open and closed positions.
Sprue D has a lot more than a chunk of the frames and walls of the bomb bay as it also includes the undercarriage bays and the Blue Steel Fairing which replaces the doors on Sprue L.
Hope this helps
Gondor
Quote from: kitnut617 on July 26, 2021, 08:19:24 AM
Quote from: Gondor on July 26, 2021, 06:40:41 AM
Quote from: kitnut617 on July 26, 2021, 06:16:33 AM
Alastair, what are the part numbers for the bomb parts please. I've written to Airfix to see if they are contemplating having an accessory pack of them so they could be used in the Victor. The message I got back today said my query had been forwarded to the 'development' department but I could get the bits from the 'spares' department if I could give them the part numbers. Seems a bit of a waste of three kits though, I'd need nine clips --- and I'm thinking of the Valiant kit too --
The Valiant kit comes with an optional bomb load, normal and instant sunshine veriaties.
The new Vulcan kit has the bombs on Sprue L while the frame/walls etc are on Sprue D.
Gondor
Thanks Alastair, is Sprue L a stand alone sprue or are there other bits on it ?
I can strike off the Valiant then, thanks for that bit of info.
I have two full Valiant sets of bombs on clips (2 x 21 bombs) I am quite happy to send you, if you want them. Of my two Valiants, one is a tanker and the other one has closed bomb doors anyway.
A bit more work done, this time in the bomb bay, at least that's what I can show you at the moment.
As supplied in the kit, on Sprue D
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And the result of a little chat with General Melchett on Britmodeler as well as looking at some walk-round pictures
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Now I have two sideds of one of these pieces to put holes into then I will add them to the bomb bay sides to help me scratch the front and rear bulkheads and the roof!
Gondor
Quote from: Gondor on July 26, 2021, 08:49:58 AM
Quote from: kitnut617 on July 26, 2021, 08:19:24 AM
Thanks Alastair, is Sprue L a stand alone sprue or are there other bits on it ?
I can strike off the Valiant then, thanks for that bit of info.
Sprue L has the bombs and the bomb bay door in both open and closed positions.
Sprue D has a lot more than a chunk of the frames and walls of the bomb bay as it also includes the undercarriage bays and the Blue Steel Fairing which replaces the doors on Sprue L.
Hope this helps
Gondor
It certainly does, thanks. I did some investigating myself too, I found some photos of the sprues and I can see what you mean. I'm not worried about the bomb bay parts as the Victor has bomb bay parts. Thanks again Alastair.
Quote from: Pellson on July 26, 2021, 09:36:23 AM
Quote from: kitnut617 on July 26, 2021, 08:19:24 AM
Quote from: Gondor on July 26, 2021, 06:40:41 AM
Quote from: kitnut617 on July 26, 2021, 06:16:33 AM
Alastair, what are the part numbers for the bomb parts please. I've written to Airfix to see if they are contemplating having an accessory pack of them so they could be used in the Victor. The message I got back today said my query had been forwarded to the 'development' department but I could get the bits from the 'spares' department if I could give them the part numbers. Seems a bit of a waste of three kits though, I'd need nine clips --- and I'm thinking of the Valiant kit too --
The Valiant kit comes with an optional bomb load, normal and instant sunshine veriaties.
The new Vulcan kit has the bombs on Sprue L while the frame/walls etc are on Sprue D.
Gondor
Thanks Alastair, is Sprue L a stand alone sprue or are there other bits on it ?
I can strike off the Valiant then, thanks for that bit of info.
I have two full Valiant sets of bombs on clips (2 x 21 bombs) I am quite happy to send you, if you want them. Of my two Valiants, one is a tanker and the other one has closed bomb doors anyway.
Incoming PM :thumbsup:
The only problem with using the Valiant Iron bombs is that they are not the same shape at the ones used by the other two V bombers.
Valiant bomb load as provided by Airfix
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Vulcan bomb load as provided by Airfix
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These are also suitable for the Victor as I have seen pictures with this type of bomb and the Victor together, not seen any picture of the Valiant bombs so I cant say how accurate the provided bombs are. The Blue Danube bomb would also be suitable to the Victor and Vulcan, at least in their B.1 versions.
Gondor
Hmm! yeah I see what you mean there ---- on the plus side, they'd work for another project I have in mind, an Avro 684 --- ;)
I did have a good look for pictures of the Valiant with bombs in my refference material and all I could find was a drawing at the top of page 35 of the Aerofax book which showed the same bomb shape. Text in the drawing says
"21-1,000lb L.C. or M.C. Bombs in Bay" so maybe the LC or MC type of bomb is shown and as I don't have any refference material about such things....
Gondor
A bit of a cheat but I didn't want all the hastle of trying to get the intakes sorted on the old kit, not too worried about fitting the new kit's intakes together, at least not yet :rolleyes:
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Pinched the blanking plates from the new kit, H4 & H8 as at least one of my new kit's will not have these fitted.
Gondor
OK, time to go in at the deep end......
Started to make replacements for the exhausts, well the part between the end of the engine and the bit at the trailing edge of the wing. This part needs to be scratch built as I am sure none makes detail parts for the old kit unless it comes as part of Freightdog's 200 series exhausts.
So here goes.....
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The white tube is some paper that I curled and fitted inside the lower "tunnel"? There are only the two in the new kit as that is all that is required and of course I am retro fitting an older kit with new parts where possible so I have to use the new part as a pattern for a scratch built part.
One thing that doesn't help is that shape is a tapering cylinder, or a truncated cone depending on your point of view. So that rules out using a section of tubing. I am using a sheet of paper here as I don't have to worry about making a mess while working out the shape for a piece of 0.10in plastic card.
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As you can see the marks I made are longer than the size to fill the part, however I have to take into account that the thickness of the plastic that I am forming the new "tunnel" out of reduces it's diameter so I have to make it over size so that I can correct the position of the tubes end, compensating for the plastic's thickness. I am being generous with where I have marked the ends as I have no idea how much I will need as I build the tube.
We shall see...
Gondor
Would it not perhaps be easier to simply mould and cast the relevant Airfix bits? At least that way you could use the cloned bits for future builds using the older kits? Ditto the intake blanking plates? You may also want to think about the exhaust blanking plates too, as the Vulcans definitely had those too.
Several reasons for not casting, 1) no materials to create the cast, 2) No resin to make the copy, 3) I'm a self confest casting phobic. Others make it look easy and I know that I will either screw it up or make a huge mess and will probably do both at the same time. 4) Someone else will probably do it and far better than I could. So I will stick with what I know, Plastic.
Other reasons for not casting the parts, their shape
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Top view above, view from the engine end below
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And from the nozzle end
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The step is where the bottom part in the picture below goes into.
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I may be able to get some tube that will go around the parts at the bottom in the above picture which seem to be the same or close enough diameter to the back of the engine, but of course the size is not what I have in stock in any medium. I will have a look in B&Q for a former tomorrow as Airfix use a jig for the bottom section of the nozzles.
The advantage I can see to my original proposal is that I will not have to do so much work to the inside of the older kit as I will probably have enough to do adding the newer parts and getting the older parts to match to each other anyway.
Blanking plates are also an option, however for this build I want to show that I have gone the extra mile with the "Hot End"
Gondor
Decided to fit parts of the bomb bay together from the new kit and then see how it looks in the old kit...
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Surprisingly well is the answer. It will need some careful alignment when it is fitted in place but for an initial dry fit I was very happy with it. Thinking of maybe using a planking method to skin the roofwith alternative strips of plastic sticking downwards into the bomb bay to reproduce the ribbing, or trying to get a sheet of 0.10" plastic card to conform to the roof and then add the ribbing onto that. The ends still need to be cut out and detailed but I wanted to do something that showed progress and the feasibility of my idea at cross-kitting the two Vulcan's
I drilled out the obvious holes in the roof structure, joining the middle two holes in the middle structure as several walkround's show this feature as well as there being just two holes. Here are pictures of the New kit's central part of the bomb bay..
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So you can see what it looks like without a huge Vulcan cluttering up the picture :rolleyes:
Gondor
Just ordered four packs of Evergreen Strip Styrene, two packs each of 0.010 x 0.060 inch and 0.030 x 0.030 inch for the roof of the bomb bay. I think alternateing between the two with the 30 x 30 inserted between the 10 x 60 strips should work, wee will see when they turn up or I may start with the stock I have once I finish working of the front and rear of the bomb bay.
Gondor
Lots of little bit's and pieces have been done. The main cockpit assembly has been put together. Some of the seats have been assembled as well. Painting is what is holding up that area at the moment.
I have fitted the lower wing together along with the Blue Steel fairing.
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I made a slight modification to the Blue Steel fairing, and would probably do the same to the closed bomb bay. I slightly reduced the length of the tabs next to the lower air brakes, see arrows
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Undercarriage bays are going together at the moment, but in a way that makes it easier for me to spray paint them with a rattle can.
Other things I am going to do, just so I can get some progress is to put the frame together and in place even though I have been using the front and rear frames as a guide for scratch building the front and rear of the bomb bay. I do have another kit that I can "borrow" these parts from as reference, there are also pictures from various that I can use as well so it's not a problem.
Gondor
That's a LOT of plastic. :o
Quote from: PR19_Kit on August 01, 2021, 06:14:44 AM
That's a LOT of plastic. :o
It's ONLY a 1/72 Vulcan after all :rolleyes:
Nothing like some of the stuff I follow on Britmodeller such as 1/32 Shackelton Mk.2 or Short Sunderlands, they are BIG :o
Gondor
Measure the wing area............. ;)
Yeah! and I've got five of them including an MPC boxing (one built, one mostly used on my Avro Atlantic project, one for the B.1 conversion and two for whiffing) and intend on buying one of these new tool ones too.
I'm watching Alastair' old tool upgrade with lots of interest, I wouldn't mind doing the same to the B.1 when I get around to it.
So I got a little bit done yesterday and should finish clamping and gluing the frame in place tonight.
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I think I need clamps with a longer reach :o
I will take more detailed pictures of my replacement bomb bay walls, which are as well enginered as a Mach 2 kit :rolleyes:, seriously, they are not going to be seen so they only had to fit and provide support. There are gaps in places almost big enough to drive a bus through :lol:
Gondor
As promised, the front part of the frame has been glued in place. I defiantly need more and better clamps for when I build the next one....
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The "locally manufactured" replacement bomb bay sides :rolleyes:
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Not exactly a tight fit, but then it didn't have to be that. I will probably add "L" shaped plastic rod in several places along the sides to help give rigidity.
Next up is the undercarriage bays and the intakes which need to be finished before the wings can go any further forward.
Gondor
The undercarriage bays have been painted and so have the main engine intakes, not looked at them yet to see how they have turned out as I used a rattle can and such things can be a bit iffy with the results at times. The cockpit was painted as per the instructions yesterday evening as well although I intend to use other shades of black to detail and differentiate between items a bit.
Another thing I have been pottering away at is the forward end of the bomb bay
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I don't need to say which is which as mine is far messier than the kit part but it will do for what I want especially as the bomb bay will be fully loaded with bombs.
Gondor
Guys, the weapons "clip" is correctly called a "7 store carrier". Sorry to be pedantic, but I'm an ex RAF Armourer ;D ;D
Quote from: smeds on August 08, 2021, 12:09:13 PM
Guys, the weapons "clip" is correctly called a "7 store carrier". Sorry to be pedantic, but I'm an ex RAF Armourer ;D ;D
That's quite OK. I prefer to call things what they actually are. You don't happen to know much about the Victor's bomb bay do you, or the "stores Carriers" it had?
Gondor
I've got a Two-Volume book set by Roger R. Brookes called The Handley Page Victor, The History and Development of a Classic Bomber, Vol.1 is about the Prototypes and B.1, Vol.2 is about the B.2 and later variants. It's interesting to note the B.1 and B.2 had different storage arrangements for the bomb racks, both could carry thirty five 1000lbers in the bomb bay.
The diagram for the B.1 in Vol.1 shows that two racks were mounted in the roof of the bay, with spaces between them. Then three racks were mounted below the top two, with the noses and tails of the bombs overlapping.
Top racks have three bombs on top and four bombs below those, the lower line of racks have four bombs above and three below. And the bombs look just like the bombs in the Airfix Valiant.
Now the diagram for the B.2 shows something different, three racks were mounted in the roof of the bay with spaces between them, then two racks were mounted below with the noses and tails overlapping.
All the racks have four bombs on top and three bombs below those, like the Airfix Vulcan. Photos of the full bomb bay in the book seem to show the same rack as those carried in the Vulcan.
Quote from: kitnut617 on August 08, 2021, 03:07:48 PM
I've got a Two-Volume book set by Roger R. Brookes called The Handley Page Victor, The History and Development of a Classic Bomber, Vol.1 is about the Prototypes and B.1, Vol.2 is about the B.2 and later variants. It's interesting to note the B.1 and B.2 had different storage arrangements for the bomb racks, both could carry thirty five 1000lbers in the bomb bay.
The diagram for the B.1 in Vol.1 shows that two racks were mounted in the roof of the bay, with spaces between them. Then three racks were mounted below the top two, with the noses and tails of the bombs overlapping.
Top racks have three bombs on top and four bombs below those, the lower line of racks have four bombs above and three below. And the bombs look just like the bombs in the Airfix Valiant.
Now the diagram for the B.2 shows something different, three racks were mounted in the roof of the bay with spaces between them, then two racks were mounted below with the noses and tails overlapping.
All the racks have four bombs on top and three bombs below those, like the Airfix Vulcan. Photos of the full bomb bay in the book seem to show the same rack as those carried in the Vulcan.
I saw a picture in a book about the Vulcan calling the rack as the "V" bomber rack which would explaine that. The Aerofax book on the Victor has the drawing for what your describing as the B.1 layout so it will be interesting to see what the B.2 layout looked like. Airfix give a flat roof to the bomb bay which is fine for the S.R.2 version and of course they don't supply bombs so I am unsure about the bay roof being flat, it looked steped in the pick of the B.1 load.
Gondor
The diagrams of both arrangements show a flat roof to the bomb bay Alastair --- what interested me was the B.1 had Valiant type 1000lbers, looks like I'm going to need a bunch more of them than what I was first after. But even though the roof is flat, it's still deeper than a Vulcan bomb bay, allowing the staggered arrangement of the racks.
What I'm going to do is try to make a 10-Bomb rack for the Vulcan. I've seen two videos of it so far both showing it being loaded into the bomb bay. The rack has three rows of bombs, three at the top, then four in the middle and then three on the bottom. The bottom three seem to be suspended but wires as they moved around as the loading was being done.
Quote from: kitnut617 on August 09, 2021, 05:56:26 AM
The diagrams of both arrangements show a flat roof to the bomb bay Alastair --- what interested me was the B.1 had Valiant type 1000lbers, looks like I'm going to need a bunch more of them than what I was first after. But even though the roof is flat, it's still deeper than a Vulcan bomb bay, allowing the staggered arrangement of the racks.
What I'm going to do is try to make a 10-Bomb rack for the Vulcan. I've seen two videos of it so far both showing it being loaded into the bomb bay. The rack has three rows of bombs, three at the top, then four in the middle and then three on the bottom. The bottom three seem to be suspended but wires as they moved around as the loading was being done.
That sounds very interesting, do you have a link for the video?
Gondor
Quote from: Gondor on August 09, 2021, 06:21:40 AM
Quote from: kitnut617 on August 09, 2021, 05:56:26 AM
The diagrams of both arrangements show a flat roof to the bomb bay Alastair --- what interested me was the B.1 had Valiant type 1000lbers, looks like I'm going to need a bunch more of them than what I was first after. But even though the roof is flat, it's still deeper than a Vulcan bomb bay, allowing the staggered arrangement of the racks.
What I'm going to do is try to make a 10-Bomb rack for the Vulcan. I've seen two videos of it so far both showing it being loaded into the bomb bay. The rack has three rows of bombs, three at the top, then four in the middle and then three on the bottom. The bottom three seem to be suspended but wires as they moved around as the loading was being done.
That sounds very interesting, do you have a link for the video?
Gondor
I didn't have a link but in reply #6 (or it could be #5) in this thread I said it was on YT and gave the title of the video. But you have to watch it right to the end because that's where they show the 10-Bomb rack.
EDIT: called Vulcan Bomb Loading Procedure, you see it almost at the end around the 1.14 point.
EDIT 2: I can't get the link to move to here for some reason ---
Do you mean this (https://youtu.be/eOmPJOT-wUg) video?
Gondor
That's it Alastair :thumbsup:
The easy way to find out how someone does something like that is to start a Quote so you can see what they wrote, including codes and such, then write it down in a notebook or whatever you preffer so you can use the same thing yourself later. Of course you don't need to follow through with the quote, just use it to find out how people do things.
Gondor
Not exactly perfect but I think it will do for me. The parts do after all make up the inside of the undercarriage bays so unless someone picks up the beast to have a look any problems will not be seen.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51368832215_6427a86425_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mghG9X)
Of course when the model is finished, if anyone tries to pick it up and I don't ok them doing that........
Gondor
P.S. How hard is it to get blood off a model?
Quote from: Gondor on August 09, 2021, 12:15:54 PM
P.S. How hard is it to get blood off a model?
Tried bubbling it of with peroxide?
Quote from: Gondor on August 09, 2021, 12:10:13 PM
The easy way to find out how someone does something like that is to start a Quote so you can see what they wrote, including codes and such, then write it down in a notebook or whatever you preffer so you can use the same thing yourself later. Of course you don't need to follow through with the quote, just use it to find out how people do things.
Gondor
I'll keep that in mind :thumbsup: cheers!
Quote from: scooter on August 09, 2021, 12:52:44 PM
Quote from: Gondor on August 09, 2021, 12:15:54 PM
P.S. How hard is it to get blood off a model?
Tried bubbling it of with peroxide?
I was being sarcastic though the info might be usfull.
Perhaps a little information leaflet on doing things like that would be a good idea for putting on the table as shows? ;D
Gondor
So I added the intakes to the lower fuselage, just as recommended in the old kit. I little cleaning up of the parts was necessary and in general they went in with no problems.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51370639144_1fd3fc2d30_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mgrXhU)
So the next thing to do was to dry fit the new Vulcan bomb bay
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51370131523_66543c9d4b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mgpmoP)
Not good :banghead:
The intakes impede the fit. Looks like a bit of cutting and grinding is in mine and the old Vulcan's future, good job I decided to fit the intake blanks from the new kit into the old kit ;D
This is defiantly a problem that I shall have to keep in mind for future builds.
Gondor
I'm looking at moulding and casting the intake FOD guards. Don't understand why they didn't do them for the tailpipes.
Quote from: The Wooksta! on August 10, 2021, 01:34:51 PM
I'm looking at moulding and casting the intake FOD guards. Don't understand why they didn't do them for the tailpipes.
That would have been the obvious thing to do. Going to go that rout for this old kit build seeing that I have the intake blanking plates in place.
Gondor
I was asked elsewhere about why the bomb bay wouldn't fit between the intake assemblies. This was my reply.
The intake assemblies are possibly a little out of alignment. Remember that I am fitting a new kit bomb bay into an old kit which was not designed to have a bomb bay, and yes there is one available, in etch brass which I don't want to go anywhere near!
An analogy between the two kits could be along the lines of comparing a T-45 tank against a Panther tank. The older Airfix kit being analogous to the T-34, rough and rather agricultural, with the New Airfix similar to the Panther, well-engineered with lots of features and very easy for things to go wrong because of the tolerances.
Here is the width between the intake assemblies
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51378504222_6064cc4f21_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mh9giG)
And here is the width of the bomb bay as provided in the new kit
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51379265491_68ae3a1972_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mhdaB2)
That's a difference of 2.1mm. Take into account that the walls of the old intakes are 0.4mm thicker than the new ones and that brings the difference down to 1.3mm and I only did one quick measurement rather than take the average of at least three. That's not a lot and considering that I made the mistake of gluing the intakes into place first and they were not a tight fit so they might have fitted around the bomb bay better than trying to fit the bomb bay between the intakes. Add in larger tolerances as no bomb bay was required, and that could account for the differences. With this build it's not a problem as I pinched the intake covers for the old kit which means that I can cut away as much of the intakes behind the covers as I want. Then next one I do this with will get the bomb bay fitted first, then the intakes!
It all boils down to my not thinking this through far enough, impatience at wanting to get some progress to show and the tolerances between the two kits.
Gondor
Could you not razor saw the sides of the old intakes, you'd only need to take a saw blade+ width off each one --- I realize the intakes are glued in, but I would think that would make it easier to hold on to ---
I was looking at the intake assembly I did on my Avro Atlantic --- which is a bit different but still doable
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvillage.photos%2Fimages%2Fuser%2F8f3973c9-3f0e-4b54-80e2-017121c0bf9f%2F7f8d9521-003b-42f5-8f62-44c88b5ecdd7.jpg&hash=cc28b07e5dd8b9939d2087c6c1926511008b6481)
Quote from: kitnut617 on August 15, 2021, 05:40:16 AM
Could you not razor saw the sides of the old intakes, you'd only need to take a saw blade+ width off each one --- I realize the intakes are glued in, but I would think that would make it easier to hold on to ---
I'm simply going to cut/grind away plastic until it fits with this one, the next one to have the bomb bay transplanted I will be taking a bit more care with and fit the bomb bay first, then the intakes which will be finessed to fit.
Gondor
How are you going to strengthen the wing joints?
It's all that work that makes it fun ! I think......... :wacko:
Received some intakes today from Aerocraft Models. They are designed for the New Airfix Vulcan but I think I shall see if I can get them to fit inside this older one as well.
Gondor
Nice! We want progress on this one. :thumbsup:
The intakes are 3D printed and in one peice so no seams needing to be sorted other than around the lip at the front, nice three part engine fronts as well, just have to blend in the exhausts fron the New Vulcan to improve the detail at that end.
Gondor
What Pellson said lol. Glad you're back at it, and looking forward to seeing the intakes.
Been trying to get the intakes painted. That has been a series of mishaps but got to a stage where I am calling the white finished even though they are not stellar, more of a case of "that will do" as I am fed up with them and want to move on. Next up will be the engine faces then trying to fit the whole assembly.
Gondor
So with a boost to my mojo by getting the intakes, at least mainly white, I decided to start on the engine faces.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53391899880_b1cc4c9bff_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pm4rFW)
From front to back are the three parts that make up the engine fronts which are assembled rear to front in that order. Below are the same parts from the other end.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53390540127_115066447d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pkWttV)
And from the side
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53391899890_6f0515e604_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pm4rG7)
There are four sets of these, one for each engine obviously, I just wish that I had not seperated the other three sets as priming them may be a little awkward.
I also found that the rear end of the intakes needed to be trimmed, so far I have done this to only one of the intakes trunkings, but this has exposed the end of where my brush painting has gone so I will tidy that up once I clean up the edges.
There is a double cup holder looking item which the engine fronts fit into which in turn fits over the ends of the intakes resulting in one whole assembly, though that is probably a week or so away.
Gondor
These parts have now been primed so I should get them painted over the weekend.
Gondor
Those are pretty sweet !
Agreed with the Captain..very sweet 😋 👌