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Title: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: chrisonord on August 12, 2020, 10:06:54 AM
This has been finished for some time but forgot about it.  This is a further development 3 surplus  ww2 mustang's  converted and pressed in to service  with the navy  during the Korean war.  Kit is the airfix 1/72nd scale  P-51 D.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/VZydgpi8ioQarSqX7
https://photos.app.goo.gl/8ioAK7GyyF8bsCQ46
https://photos.app.goo.gl/8PHyzwddqB3XRomD6
Sorry about the  crap pictures, my phone is  not behaving itself  again.
Chris
Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: Tophe on August 12, 2020, 10:31:42 AM
The propellers are nicely inventive on these Mustang derivatives :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: chrisonord on August 12, 2020, 10:40:16 AM
Merci mon ami :thumbsup:
Chris
Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: Captain Canada on August 12, 2020, 11:41:38 AM
Nice one Chris ! The family photo lol
Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: chrisonord on August 12, 2020, 11:43:46 AM
When I remember I will take some  better pictures  outside  of them. My living room is  like being in the  back of a cave  at dusk. On a good day.
Chris
Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: major on August 12, 2020, 05:41:23 PM

Ooooo! Liking the look of that!  :thumbsup:
(Right click, Save.  ;D)
Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: Old Wombat on August 12, 2020, 08:44:35 PM
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: zenrat on August 13, 2020, 05:31:08 AM
Very good Chris.
Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: NARSES2 on August 13, 2020, 06:30:58 AM
Quote from: zenrat on August 13, 2020, 05:31:08 AM
Very good Chris.

Agreed  :thumbsup:

I'm not normally a fan of the high division line camouflage but these seem to suit it particularly well  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: Dizzyfugu on August 13, 2020, 08:10:09 AM
The 'Stang looks pretty in that RN livery.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: chrisonord on August 13, 2020, 09:54:30 AM
Thankyou Gentlemen, as said its been finished a while  but I  wanted to wait until the  A.W 172 was finished  before I took its picture.
Chris
Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: Wurgerman on August 13, 2020, 12:57:40 PM
Love the idea of Griffin Mustangs, lots of possibilities .

wurgerman
Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: comrade harps on August 14, 2020, 07:06:31 AM
Both nice  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: kitnut617 on August 14, 2020, 08:55:22 AM
Very good Chris, I've always thought the Mustang would look good with a Griffon.
Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: chrisonord on August 14, 2020, 09:49:53 AM
Cheers Robert  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: kitbasher on June 21, 2022, 02:09:05 AM
It's not Fleet Air Airm and its not got a Griffon, but a Seastang of a slightly different flavour has appeared at https://modelingmadness.com/review/allies/us/usn/fighters/ohss.htm
Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 21, 2022, 03:20:49 AM
I like the look of that, and his thinking is pretty logical too.  :thumbsup:

I'd have used a contra-prop though, that Griffon has a LOT of torque, as our FAA found out......
Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: zenrat on June 21, 2022, 04:09:01 AM
Hmmmm, I took this pic at Expo on Sunday.  As we know there are is such thing as coincidence...

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52157582974_7c6ae68be4_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nsZfgY)Model Expo 2022 - 61 (https://flic.kr/p/2nsZfgY) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: comrade harps on June 21, 2022, 04:17:34 AM
Quote from: zenrat on June 21, 2022, 04:09:01 AM
Hmmmm, I took this pic at Expo on Sunday.  As we know there are is such thing as coincidence...

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52157582974_7c6ae68be4_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nsZfgY)Model Expo 2022 - 61 (https://flic.kr/p/2nsZfgY) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

You beat me to it whilst I was getting the photo's url  ;)
Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: Wardukw on June 22, 2022, 05:58:53 PM
I agree with Kit..contra rotating propellers would look so good on that beast  ;D
Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: Captain Canada on June 22, 2022, 08:38:45 PM
Had 2 half built in 48the scale. I tossed them out s part of the purge earlier this year. Another regret but somat had to be done.....
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49296102636_7ca6b0fdee_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i78pS5)stang (https://flic.kr/p/2i78pS5) by Todd Pomerleau (https://www.flickr.com/photos/185890872@N05/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: Captain Canada on June 22, 2022, 08:39:57 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49296297337_698d7206a5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i79pJZ)d44_zps5c9f67e2 (https://flic.kr/p/2i79pJZ) by Todd Pomerleau (https://www.flickr.com/photos/185890872@N05/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 23, 2022, 02:31:17 AM
 ;D

(https://live.staticflickr.com/7096/7159845070_e73304d36c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/bUG5uE)
1:72 North American F1J "Sea Mustang"; VF-82, USS Bennington (CV-20), April 1945 (Whif/Heller kit conversion) (https://flic.kr/p/bUG5uE) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: JayBee on June 23, 2022, 03:50:23 AM
I built this one some years ago, but the original post on here appears to have vanished into the mists of time.

The contra-prop was from Aeroclub, and being white metal helped with the need for nose weight.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/7213/ykMbI4.jpg)



The Fleet Air Arm recognised a winner when they saw one and ordered an initial batch of six hooked P-51D's for training, these were given the name Sea Mustang I.
This was followed by a large order for fully navalised machines approximately 50/50 fighter, and fighter reconaisance.
These were to be called Sea Mustangs II & III.
However their Lordships at the Admiralty did not like the name. I mean, a SEA HORSE, does not give the right impression.
Then Rear Vice Admiral Tarquin Mandelbrot McPhail, The Lord Auchenshugle, suggested a name from Celtic folklore that was accepted by all  -  KELPIE.
(This is where you now go into Wikipedia and find out what a Kelpie is. JayBee)
The next version had a RR Griffon engine driving a five bladed prop, and to assist in counteracting the extra torque the rudder was increased in height.
These were the Kelpie IV and V respectively.
( Note: North American later used the same shape to increase the rear vertical area, but they extended the fin, not the rudder as in the Kelpie).
The final versions were the Kelpie F-6 and FR-7.
These had contra rotating props and tricyle undercarriage.

At the time of the Suez crisis (Operation Musketeer) there were three Kelpie FR-7's still in the operational inventory, and they were embarked on HMS Eagle.
One was used as a spares source, so only two flew in the campaign.
One of these was so badly damaged that the pilot was unable to land on and had to 'take to the silk' being recovered safely.
The final survivor carried out several more operational sorties, but was retired soon afterwards.
She is now undergoing restoration for static display at the FAA Museum at RNAS Yeovilton.
Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: zenrat on June 23, 2022, 03:58:40 AM
Quote from: JayBee on June 23, 2022, 03:50:23 AM
...Then Rear Vice Admiral Tarquin Mandelbrot McPhail, The Lord Auchenshugle, suggested a name from Celtic folklore that was accepted by all  -  KELPIE.
(This is where you now go into Wikipedia and find out what a Kelpie is. JayBee)...

A Kelpie is an Australian Cattle Dog.   ;D :mellow:

(https://images8.alphacoders.com/636/thumb-1920-636264.jpg)

Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: JayBee on June 23, 2022, 05:36:15 AM
Quote from: zenrat on June 23, 2022, 03:58:40 AM
Quote from: JayBee on June 23, 2022, 03:50:23 AM
...Then Rear Vice Admiral Tarquin Mandelbrot McPhail, The Lord Auchenshugle, suggested a name from Celtic folklore that was accepted by all  -  KELPIE.
(This is where you now go into Wikipedia and find out what a Kelpie is. JayBee)...

A Kelpie is an Australian Cattle Dog.   ;D :mellow:

(https://images8.alphacoders.com/636/thumb-1920-636264.jpg)

In old Scottish folklore a Kelpie is a much nastier beastie.
Title: Re: Fleet air arm Griffon Seastang
Post by: kitnut617 on June 23, 2022, 06:08:09 AM
I've had some serious thinking time of a FAA Twin Mustang, I got most of my design sorted -- in my head that is. I'll base it on this below where I used a Firefly Mk.V cowling, which fitted almost as if it was designed to go there in real life.

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