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Title: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Freightdog862 on May 20, 2020, 10:04:08 AM
Afternoon gents,

Its about this time I start ramping up new releases for shows in September onwards leading up to SMW in November. I have serious doubts that this years  show can go ahead, but will wait and see on that. Regardless I will plan for new releases in November, even if SMW becomes a virtual event, who knows!

I have a couple of whif items in the works already, I think these will be popular items, they are conversions and not complete kits as they tend to get pricy and complicated (and rarely sell more than a hundred kits which makes them financially unviable). So any suggestions are welcome, ideally paper projects, mock up's or formal proposals, not flights of pure fantasy. Also factual subjects or prototypes, don't want the unenlightened modellers to miss out do we?

I'm talking about 1/72 scale, or maybe 1/144 for larger subjects.

The floor is open to suggestions!

Colin
       
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: The Wooksta! on May 20, 2020, 10:57:27 AM
Rereleasing your Hunter stuff as I have the bug for them at the minute!

The Delta wing Hunter might not be a bad idea as looking at the drawing in Mason's Hunter book, it's a replacement fin and a wing.  I think it might be possible as a scratchbodge from a Mirage wing.  I'll have a think about that.

Mosquito T.3 as the Pavla one is... Not good. You already have the intakes, so it's basically a new floor, instrument panel and controls. I've some photos of the instructor's seat somewhere. 

And DEFINITELY a Mosquito B.16 bomber canopy with the bulged side panels to fit the Tamiya kit.  There isn't one available AFAIK.  You can get all the other bits to do a B/PR16 or a PR34/B35/TT35 except the canopy. 

Four blade Mosquito props.

Mosquito NF12 Thimble nose  - Paul did it years back for ye old Airfix kit, so it might be worth dusting down to fit the Tamiya?

Lancaster PR conversion - nose and tail blanks

Supermarine 528, the Nene engined Swift prototype which was used as the Prometheus in "The Sound Barrier", but you have to start with an Attacker fuselage, because that's what it was.

Vampire NF10 for the Airfix T11.  I think you'd just have to do a top decking, cockpit interior and canopy as it's a tad slimmer than the T11.

Hawker P.1052 & 1081
Both of these have been done before but badly, and largely because whoever had done the masters had tried to get the latter out of the former at the same time and it just doesn't work.  You'd have to do two separate fuselages, but all the other stuff like wings, tail surfaces, u/c, canopy and interior are the same.  1081 could be a decent seller, especially if you add whiff in service markings, especially RAAF. 

Attacker trainer.  There's a set of drawings on Secret projects which would be a start.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Weaver on May 20, 2020, 10:59:10 AM
SRAAM 100 / Taildog missile launchers.

The last time I mentioned this the problem was references, but since then the Bristol collection has got back up and running: they have one of the surviving launchers so they may have documentation/plans to go with it.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Weaver on May 20, 2020, 11:05:10 AM
Another thing I've suggested before: Vulcan 'flying battleship' conversions, i.e. the air-to-air missile/radar carriers detailed in Battle Flight by Chris Gibson.

Phoenix version: this is the easiest, since all you'd have to provide is a reprofiled radome and maybe some pylons: there are plenty of sources the customer can raid for the missiles.

Sea Dart version: this needs a reprofiled nose and a radar pod. Fleetscale(?) do 1/72nd Sea Darts, so maybe you could do a deal with them to buy some in bulk to put in your sets (10 per set).
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: perttime on May 20, 2020, 11:34:30 AM
Would Supermarine 391 or Hawker P 1030 be feasible? Parts of Spiteful/Tempest might fit the picture?
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: McColm on May 20, 2020, 12:45:02 PM
1/72 Shorts Sandringham conversion set: nose , tail and upper turret blank.

1/72 Maritime or reconnaissance version of the VC10 ( a 1/72 scale version of your 1/144 set).

1/72 Vickers Valiant B.2 Pathfinder  landing gear and wing sponsors for the Airfix or Mach2 kit.

1/72 cheek pouches for the Boeing RC-135v/w

1/72 Grumman E-2 Hawkeye rotodome plus stand

1/72 Harpoon anti-ship missile

1/72 rear wheel for the Avro Lancaster

1/72 replacement rotor blades for the Fairey Rotodyne

1/72 Dassault Breguet Br1150  Atlantic ATL2 tail fin

1/72 reconnaissance pack for the  Matchbox/Revell HP Victor K2

1/72 Helicopter floatation gear.

1/72 Lockheed  Constellation propellers  replacement set
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: tigercat on May 20, 2020, 01:37:00 PM
what about Tiger Moth Operation Banquet stuff . The Anti invasion plans

bomb racks , para slasher and rat poison dropping system
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: kitbasher on May 20, 2020, 01:45:16 PM
All conversions:

I'm with The Wooksta regarding a Vampire NF.10.

Vacform Jet Provost T3/T4 canopy for the Airfix kit?

Twin Sidewinder conversion for the Airfix EE Lightning?

Wing pylons and stores for export EE Lightnings?

Shackleton MAD boom?

All 1/72, natch.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: chrisonord on May 20, 2020, 01:49:06 PM
SR.177, In1/72nd scale ....?
Chris
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: chrisonord on May 20, 2020, 02:05:20 PM
Or....
Just to push the envelope a tad, a Fairey Delta II and or III :wacko:
Chris
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: The Wooksta! on May 20, 2020, 02:17:53 PM
Someone's announced an injection FD2 in 72nd  and an FD3 in 772nd resin would be expensive.

Don't know about the Supermarine 391 - it's a lot larger than a Spiteful.  Hawker P.1030 is fairly easy to do, starting with a decent Tempest wing (Heller) and a spare Sea Fury fuselage.  I do have all the bits in a box, I just never got time to put it all together as a master.


Vacform Tempest canopy.   Ditto Sea Fury and Sea Fury 2 seater.

Tempest wheels - these are applicable to a load of British things that are old and could do with decent wheels.

EE Lightning Delta wing - tip: start with an Airfix TSR2 wing

And twist your mate Dave's arm to have a look at redoing the Magna Sturgeon, Firecrest, Spearfish and Firefly AS7.  The Spearfish would be nice with an AEW radome.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: chrisonord on May 20, 2020, 02:34:44 PM
Who was it that  announced the  styrene FD II Lee? I  know the Delta III will be expensive, but I can  dream  can't I.
Chris
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: The Wooksta! on May 20, 2020, 02:38:09 PM
One of the east european manufacturers, I think.  Edit:  Dora Wings.  Here's the relevant thread from Britmodeller:

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235033014-172-fairey-delta-fd2-by-dora-wings-3d-renders-release-in-2020/

TBH, the old Frog/Novo one isn't that bad if you can find one at a reasonable price.  Basically under a tenner.  The Maquette repop - avoid as the jetpipe has healed over.

I wouldn't say no to a Miles Kestrel in 72nd either.  Rugrat did one but I doubt it'd get re-released.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: chrisonord on May 20, 2020, 03:35:30 PM
Quote from: The Wooksta! on May 20, 2020, 02:38:09 PM
One of the east european manufacturers, I think.  Edit:  Dora Wings.  Here's the relevant thread from Britmodeller:

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235033014-172-fairey-delta-fd2-by-dora-wings-3d-renders-release-in-2020/

TBH, the old Frog/Novo one isn't that bad if you can find one at a reasonable price.  Basically under a tenner.  The Maquette repop - avoid as the jetpipe has healed over.

I wouldn't say no to a Miles Kestrel in 72nd either.  Rugrat did one but I doubt it'd get re-released.
I have built the Novo one, just finished it tonight, its a bit of a crude thing but it looks similar enough to  me. I will  keep my mincers open for the Dora kit , operational  interceptor version  for that I think.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: The Wooksta! on May 20, 2020, 04:14:28 PM
Better off chopping up a Novo or Maquette one if you're doing that.

TBH, I didn't think the Frog kit was that crude when I did one about 20 years ago.  It's of it's time and really shouldn't be judged by modern standards.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 21, 2020, 04:17:12 AM
The FROG FD2 was very clever, and well ahead of its time when it first came out too.

Over time I've done 2-3 of them, in various RW colour schemes (the purple WG777 did NOT go well :() and even tried to convert one into a BAC221, but that was doomed to failure, so I've got a vacform for that.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: McColm on May 21, 2020, 12:32:29 PM
1/72 C-97 FASS radomes set,
F.O.D. covers for the Airfix Avro Vulcan,  Valiant  and Victor.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Gondor on May 21, 2020, 02:01:09 PM
I have a sensible sudgestion,

1/72 P.1154 Naval version seeing that you did the RAF single seater some time ago.

Gondor
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Rolead on May 21, 2020, 05:03:28 PM
Colin, you have done various missiles in the past, how about boxing them up into one set ?

Also some wing tip tanks for the Hunter.

Regards
Robert
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Thorvic on May 22, 2020, 04:04:58 AM
Hawker P1117 Sea Hunter conversion
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: The Wooksta! on May 22, 2020, 04:59:41 AM
The early Firestreak Hunter proposal  - there's a photo of WB202 (an F1 I think) with four.  You've got the missiles and the leading edge.  All you need is the small bore tailpipe and some decals.  Simples!

Sidewinder Hunters - pack of four missiles plus pylons (the missiles were in the original release F6 but that's been deleted)
Centreline bomb carriers for Singapore hunters

Hunter GA11 - small bore jetpipe, Harley light nosecone, airfield arrestor hook.  There's no point replacing the gun port bit with resin when anyone with a modicum of intelligence - pause for sarcastic response - can use a bit of filler.

Rerelease of the Blue Dolphin missiles
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Mossie on May 22, 2020, 12:19:05 PM
Suggestions for a few simple-ish sets on a similar theme.  AST.396 for a CAS aircraft has now been covered in some detail in the 2nd Edition of BSP 2 & Chris Gibson's Typhoon to Typhoon.  There were a whole host of unique designs, however several of the proposals were for modifications to existing types:

Tornado, ADV airframe with the radome replaced by a rounded nose containing a FLIR turret and other optronics.  Set would need a new nose & LRMTS fairing.  You could add fillets for the Skyflash fairings and IDS fuselage pylons if you wanted to be complete.

Harrier HS.1184-1.  GR.3 with LRTMS nose, overwing sidewinders, front and rear RWR, T.4 style tail boom.

Buccaneer HS.1197/Blackburn P.157.  LRTMS fairing, shortened weapons bay with Aden cannon occupying the front portion, double bogie undercarriage.

The Tornado in particular would be quite a head turner.



Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Weaver on May 22, 2020, 12:42:32 PM
BAE 'big wing' conversions:

Jaguar: the bigger wing with a swept trailing edge and tip pylons offered as a Jaguar upgrade.

Harrier: the bigger all-metal wing with overwing Sidewinder pylons offered as an alternative to the McDonnell-Douglas wing for the AV-8B.*



*The BAe wing offered less range-increase (mixture of aerodynamics & fuel volume) than the McDD wing, but it's advantages were no speed loss (McDD wing cost 50kts) and it could be retrofitted to existing GR.3/FRS.1 airframes. Because the program was US-led and the USMC primarily wanted an efficient bomb-truck, we got the McDD wing.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Weaver on May 22, 2020, 12:54:38 PM
Following on from Lee's suggestion, alternative Sidewinder rails.

Don't make the missiles (too many different sub-types used), just make pylons and rails for applications not covered in mainstream injection kits.

Off the top of my head:

Hunter existing outer wing pylons (only needs a rail)
Hunter new inboard pylon + rail (Oman, Singapore)
Hunter new mid-wing pylon + rail (Rhodesia)

Harrier overwing pylon + rail (featured on several proposals)

Lightning Y-pylons + rails for two Sidewinders/side, either on existing weapons pack or the various proposed alternative weapons packs.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Freightdog862 on May 23, 2020, 05:19:17 AM
Thank you for the suggestions everyone. Certainly some workable idea's there.

Just got a copy of Typhoon to Typhoon so might get some more inspiration from within its pages.

Colin 
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: chrisonord on May 23, 2020, 06:35:22 AM
Quote from: Weaver on May 22, 2020, 12:42:32 PM
BAE 'big wing' conversions:

Jaguar: the bigger wing with a swept trailing edge and tip pylons offered as a Jaguar upgrade.

Harrier: the bigger all-metal wing with overwing Sidewinder pylons offered as an alternative to the McDonnell-Douglas wing for the AV-8B.*



*The BAe wing offered less range-increase (mixture of aerodynamics & fuel volume) than the McDD wing, but it's advantages were no speed loss (McDD wing cost 50kts) and it could be retrofitted to existing GR.3/FRS.1 airframes. Because the program was US-led and the USMC primarily wanted an efficient bomb-truck, we got the McDD wing.
The bigger Jaguar wing would be good as I fancy  building  mine  as a royal navy  version .add on Lightning stuff is always  favourite  too as well as hunter stuff.
Chris
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: McColm on May 24, 2020, 12:50:48 AM
An extension nose wheel leg for the Eurofighter and a arrestor hook.
Oh if you could come up with a resin improved T-tail for the Matchbox/Revell HP Victor that would be great as well!
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Mossie on May 24, 2020, 04:08:00 AM
Quote from: Freightdog862 on May 23, 2020, 05:19:17 AM
Just got a copy of Typhoon to Typhoon so might get some more inspiration from within its pages.

Colin

Have a look at the P.101 Blitz, would it be worth doing it as a fuselage & tail as a major conversion to the Airfix JP3?

If whole kits are not viable, would this kind of thing be doable?  I'm thinking things on the line of Joe's Hawker Huntsman that was very popular.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: perttime on May 24, 2020, 05:00:24 AM
Quote from: McColm on May 24, 2020, 12:50:48 AM
An extension nose wheel leg for the Eurofighter and a arrestor hook.
...
Is anybody currently offering a Sea Gripen?
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Rolead on May 29, 2020, 11:36:34 PM
As we have a very nice Buccaneer kit how about the proposed air defence variant. Did it have plug to stretch it ?

Regards
Robert
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: kitbasher on May 30, 2020, 01:27:32 AM
An afterthought, Colin.  Fixed undercarriage units to convert the Airfix Heron to a Heron Mk 1?

Also probably in the longer term perhaps a range of engines in their cowlings like the late lamented Aeroclub items - for example Bristol Mercuries, RR Merlin or Bristol Hercules 'power eggs', P&W Wasps, Twin Wasps, etc?  There's engines on the market but very little in terms of engines in cowlings.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: The Wooksta! on May 30, 2020, 01:51:09 AM
Magna did a Heron 1 conversion, so I suspect Colin would have access to the masters.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: kitbasher on May 30, 2020, 02:01:18 AM
Quote from: Mossie on May 24, 2020, 04:08:00 AMHave a look at the P.101 Blitz, would it be worth doing it as a fuselage & tail as a major conversion to the Airfix JP3?

Not got the book - what's the P.101 Blitz?

EDIT: Dunno why but I'm thinking updated Proctor cabin with a Viper, JP3 nose (ish) wings (sans tip tanks)/fin/rudder/tailplane!
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Mossie on May 30, 2020, 06:22:10 AM
It was very much a mini A-10. Same basic layout, single seat with a monster gun (30mm GAU-13) and endplate fins.  Two pod mounted Vipers or a central podded Garret ATF-3 or RR RB.401.

If you imagine a JP.5 with a slimer fuselage that tapers to a point at the rear you won't be far off.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Knightflyer on May 30, 2020, 06:38:21 AM
Is there any mileage in nasal and tail-fin conversions for Venom night-fighters and Sea Venoms to convert the later NF.3 and FAW.21/22 into the earlier marks? (NF.2/2a and FAW.20)

and (yes I know they are expensive to produce, but just chucking it out there) the set of decals to model all the RAF Venom NFs squadrons? pretty please!  ;D
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: The Wooksta! on May 30, 2020, 07:03:23 AM
I'm assuming you're basing it on ye olde 72nd Frog kit, so you'd also need cockpit interior, new canopy and u/c - the latter twice as there are differences betwixt Sea and normal Venoms.

TBH, it'd probably cheaper to buy a CMR kit.

If you're referring to the Matchbox 32nd kit, you're a thoroughly evil man - I'm still getting flashbacks to fighting that vile kit.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Knightflyer on May 30, 2020, 07:18:35 AM
Quote from: The Wooksta! on May 30, 2020, 07:03:23 AM
I'm assuming you're basing it on ye olde 72nd Frog kit, so you'd also need cockpit interior, new canopy and u/c - the latter twice as there are differences betwixt Sea and normal Venoms.

TBH, it'd probably cheaper to buy a CMR kit.

If you're referring to the Matchbox 32nd kit, you're a thoroughly evil man - I'm still getting flashbacks to fighting that vile kit.

Well I was thinking of the modern Cyber Hobby kit? Which I'm sure you have an an opinion of  :wacko: but it's surely got to be better than ye olde Frogge kit as a starting point?
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: The Wooksta! on May 30, 2020, 07:27:30 AM
Apparently not, according to at least one poster on Britmodeller who slated it for accuracy.  Lots of people said she was being negative, she pulled a strop and said that she worked in a museum in Australia on the real thing with all the relevant manuals to back her up.  They shut up quickly.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Knightflyer on May 30, 2020, 08:24:57 AM
Quote from: The Wooksta! on May 30, 2020, 07:27:30 AM
Apparently not, according to at least one poster on Britmodeller who slated it for accuracy.  Lots of people said she was being negative, she pulled a strop and said that she worked in a museum in Australia on the real thing with all the relevant manuals to back her up.  They shut up quickly.

Thanks for that Lee, I found the thread over there, very informative. I can live with the inaccuracies, but I accept all her comments. As they sum up, it's a shame that there is a lovely modern kit that just got it wrong
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: The Wooksta! on May 30, 2020, 09:01:47 AM
TBH, it's a lovely kit, just not very accurate.  See also Academy's 72nd Spitfire 14.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Knightflyer on May 30, 2020, 09:22:54 AM
Quote from: The Wooksta! on May 30, 2020, 09:01:47 AM
TBH, it's a lovely kit, just not very accurate.  See also Academy's 72nd Spitfire 14.

I'll go down that rabbit hole another time! :-D Hypothetically, if the 'ideal' modern venom NF / Sea Venom kit existed. Could the nasal conversion I proposed be used on a Vampire T.11 to make a Vampire NF.10 ?
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: The Wooksta! on May 30, 2020, 09:28:29 AM
No. Similar questions have been asked on Britmodeller since 2013 when the T11 came out.  The T11 looks like an NF10 but is apparently wider and is a fresh design, as opposed to the lash up that was the NF10.

The irony is I've just paid a small fortune for an Airmodel vacform conversion that uses the Heller Vampire as a donor kit.  However, I may well use a Heller Mistral instead, as I have a cunning plan for the Nene engined fuselage.

The intakes, bigger bore exhaust and Sperry autopilot fairing for RAAF Vampires isn't a bad idea though.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 30, 2020, 11:10:25 AM
Was it just a rumour, or did the Vampire NF10 really have chunks of Mosquito night fighter structure included in its design?
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: The Wooksta! on May 30, 2020, 12:42:10 PM
It's been stated as fact in various Mosquito books, so I assume so.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 30, 2020, 01:01:43 PM
That'd explain why it was so narrow, but the T11 wasn't exactly wide either.

A T11 was the first jet I ever flew in, and the pilot's elbows and mine knew each other fairly well by the end of the flight!  :o
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: kitbasher on May 30, 2020, 01:07:21 PM
I'm not so sure.  The NF10 cockpit area does look very similar (the pod is wooden) and the canopy bears a strong resemblance to the Mosquito fighter's, but IIRC from my De Havilland Museum days (including a visit to their Tilbury store which at the time contained what is believed to be the most complete NF10 anywhere) the answer is no.  The construction technique would be the same, however.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 30, 2020, 02:13:08 PM
The T11 pod is wooden too IIRC.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: kitbasher on May 30, 2020, 04:06:35 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on May 30, 2020, 02:13:08 PM
The T11 pod is wooden too IIRC.

It is.

Back to suggestions. Tandem 2-seat EE P.1/Lightning conversion (fuselage plug + vacform canopy)?

EE P.8 conversion?

Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: The Wooksta! on May 30, 2020, 04:18:04 PM
Quote from: kitbasher on May 30, 2020, 04:06:35 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on May 30, 2020, 02:13:08 PM
The T11 pod is wooden too IIRC.

It is.

Back to suggestions. Tandem 2-seat EE P.1/Lightning conversion (fuselage plug + vacform canopy)?

EE P.8 conversion?



P8 is  larger than a standard Lightning, it's almost a completely new aircraft.  Mind, it would be fantastic as a complete kit although I'd much prefer the P.6 single engined Lightning.

The FD 2 derived ER.103C would also be a fantastic kit option.

(https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/attachments/er103c3-jpg.25116/)
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: chrisonord on May 30, 2020, 04:43:47 PM
P 1154 re release  would be nice
Chris
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: kitbasher on May 30, 2020, 11:12:20 PM
P.8 wing and tailplane size/shape essentially a Lightning F.6's (the main u/c isn't in the P.8's wing though).
Fin/rudder same as a P.1's.
Fuselage length isn't significantly different but I concede the shape (even  taking into account the obvious cockpit repositioning, loss of belly tank and aft fuselage area ruling shapes all of which could be kitbashed) is rather more different than I'd recalled. 
Air intake appears to have a slightly greater diameter, which carries along the fuselage. 
Moving the main u/c to the fuselage should be doable in kitbashing terms, But given everything else then a conversion consisting of a replacement fuselage and wingtip missile pylons should be feasible in modelling terms.
Whether it would be commercially feasible is another matter, of course.

Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: The Wooksta! on May 31, 2020, 01:54:53 AM
I've got a mould for a solid fuselage P8 that has the canopy in place and it's significantly but subtly different from a Lightning.  It's also very heavy when cast - it's a lot of resin!
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: perttime on May 31, 2020, 03:55:14 AM
Quote from: The Wooksta! on May 31, 2020, 01:54:53 AM
I've got a mould for a solid fuselage P8 that has the canopy in place and it's significantly but subtly different from a Lightning.  It's also very heavy when cast - it's a lot of resin!
Does the mould allow using some other material to take up all the volume? A block of balsa or styrofoam?
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: The Wooksta! on May 31, 2020, 04:06:27 AM
TBH it's just a solid shape, with no panels, doors.  I took it from a balsa one that TsrJoe had done a good decade or so back.  And the mould is split horizontally, not vertically.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: elmayerle on June 11, 2020, 08:11:49 PM
Just my $0.02 (before sales tax):
1/72 Hunter conversion for the 3-foot extension at the transport joint that the CFE recommended
Hawker P.1091 "Delta-Hunter"
Hawker P.1117 "Sea Hunter" that Thorvic mentioned

Should you want to get into missiles for whiffing, I can work with the available 3-view of the Northrop AGM-137A TSSAM to show the stowed version for carriage as well as the extended-range version that was going to be offered to the UK before the program was cancelled.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: McColm on June 11, 2020, 08:34:45 PM
I've noticed that Combat Models now do the 1/72 Boeing  E-3D Sentry and the RC-135V/W  conversion sets .
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Howard of Effingham on June 12, 2020, 06:38:30 AM
Quote from: Weaver on May 20, 2020, 10:59:10 AM
SRAAM 100 / Taildog missile launchers.

The last time I mentioned this the problem was references, but since then the Bristol collection has got back up and running: they have one of the surviving launchers so they may have documentation/plans to go with it.

This would be a good idea. Definitely would have a few perhaps fitted to a later refurbished Hunter.

Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Howard of Effingham on June 12, 2020, 06:41:12 AM
Quote from: The Wooksta! on May 22, 2020, 04:59:41 AM

Centreline bomb carriers for Singapore hunters


And the special recce pack a few of their Hunters had fitted vice the 30mm ADEN too.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Howard of Effingham on June 12, 2020, 06:44:43 AM
Quote from: Mossie on May 22, 2020, 12:19:05 PM

Tornado, ADV airframe with the radome replaced by a rounded nose containing a FLIR turret and other optronics.  Set would need a new nose & LRMTS fairing.  You could add fillets for the Skyflash fairings and IDS fuselage pylons if you wanted to be complete.

The Tornado in particular would be quite a head turner.

A very good idea especially if someone can find the full list of RAF wants for the GR4/4A upgrade. ISTR BAe were prepared to offer a multi-role ADV at one stage.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: McColm on June 12, 2020, 08:24:13 AM
The  F-111B conversion set would be worth while,  with  a Whatif tandem seat cockpit also for the F-111A. I'm not too sure if it would be too expensive to modify the BAe 125 into the AEW concept as the modeller would loose most of the rear end .
Combat Models do the BAe 146 so it would make sense to include the FASS radomes for the AEW +C version.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: The Wooksta! on June 12, 2020, 10:38:06 AM
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Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Knightflyer on June 12, 2020, 01:35:03 PM
Quote from: The Wooksta! on June 12, 2020, 10:38:06 AM
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I so wish I got this reference! I THINK I get the reference, but I'm not sure .....  :-\
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Mossie on June 12, 2020, 01:46:48 PM
Quote from: Howard of Effingham on June 12, 2020, 06:44:43 AM
Quote from: Mossie on May 22, 2020, 12:19:05 PM

Tornado, ADV airframe with the radome replaced by a rounded nose containing a FLIR turret and other optronics.  Set would need a new nose & LRMTS fairing.  You could add fillets for the Skyflash fairings and IDS fuselage pylons if you wanted to be complete.

The Tornado in particular would be quite a head turner.

A very good idea especially if someone can find the full list of RAF wants for the GR4/4A upgrade. ISTR BAe were prepared to offer a multi-role ADV at one stage.

I found that Thorvic did the EAG 4898 version, from Secret Projects:
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/tornado-projects.3/
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Weaver on June 13, 2020, 04:06:25 AM
Quote from: McColm on June 12, 2020, 08:24:13 AM
The  F-111B conversion set would be worth while,  with  a Whatif tandem seat cockpit also for the F-111A. I'm not too sure if it would be too expensive to modify the BAe 125 into the AEW concept as the modeller would loose most of the rear end .
Combat Models do the BAe 146 so it would make sense to include the FASS radomes for the AEW +C version.

There actually was a tandem-seat F-111 proposed as one of the various weight-reduction programs, but it was far more than just a new cockpit. The whole fuselage was narrower (no bomb bay?) so it's a bit outside the scope of something Colin could easily do.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Gondor on June 15, 2020, 05:07:53 AM
Seeing that Airfix intend to roll out a new Avro Vulcan, how about releasing the Skybolt set again, but this time including the "production" nose?

Gondor
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: The Wooksta! on June 15, 2020, 06:09:17 AM
Shrikes and pylons for Black Buck Vulcans?

Bomb trolley for WE177:

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ASH radar nose for Mosquito

Hurricane recon pack.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: kitbasher on July 21, 2020, 09:45:47 AM
Quote from: kitbasher on May 20, 2020, 01:45:16 PM
Wing pylons and stores for export EE Lightnings?

And maybe a small decal sheet with Saudi/Kuwaiti markings to go with the pylons/stores?

Not necessarily for SMW2020.  Must be a challenge working out whether or not to commit resource to releases to coincide with an event that may not happen.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: The Wooksta! on July 21, 2020, 09:52:48 AM
RWR bullets for the old tool Airfix Buccaneer.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Freightdog862 on July 22, 2020, 06:57:25 AM
Quote from: kitbasher on July 21, 2020, 09:45:47 AM
Quote from: kitbasher on May 20, 2020, 01:45:16 PM
Wing pylons and stores for export EE Lightnings?
Not necessarily for SMW2020.  Must be a challenge working out whether or not to commit resource to releases to coincide with an event that may not happen.
Too right it is! Can't see it happening (and if it does I probably won't trade this year), but I'm still going to get some new items ready as I think there will be demand for new stuff (extra money to spend due to saving on accommodation? Fat chance!).
I can appreciate a lot of people might not have the funds this year so I'm sticking for smaller sets, I didn't get furloughed (although half my department did, and two of them were made redundant), but I did get my hours/wages cut by 20% for three months. Thankfully not going out compensated for the reduction in pay.

Colin
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Freightdog862 on July 22, 2020, 07:01:56 AM
Quote from: The Wooksta! on July 21, 2020, 09:52:48 AM
RWR bullets for the old tool Airfix Buccaneer.

Do you mean the ones on the wings? I have a set of ARI 8165 aerials (same as ones that come in the Redbeard set), but I haven't listed on website separately yet.

Thanks again to everyone for all the suggestions, all are gratefully received and considered (by me and probably by my competition looking for new ideas!) 

Colin     
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: chrisonord on July 22, 2020, 07:10:30 AM
I don't think you have to  worry about  competition  Colin, as your  quality of workmanship and  quick turnaround, far exceeds anyone else. Also value for money.
Chris
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: The Wooksta! on July 22, 2020, 08:06:29 AM
Quote from: Freightdog862 on July 22, 2020, 07:01:56 AM
Quote from: The Wooksta! on July 21, 2020, 09:52:48 AM
RWR bullets for the old tool Airfix Buccaneer.

Do you mean the ones on the wings? I have a set of ARI 8165 aerials (same as ones that come in the Redbeard set), but I haven't listed on website separately yet.

Colin     

Yes.  Plenty of people have the old kit stashed away or have picked up a few and will want some smaller upgrade bits.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Knightflyer on July 22, 2020, 08:47:43 AM
Quote from: The Wooksta! on July 22, 2020, 08:06:29 AM
Quote from: Freightdog862 on July 22, 2020, 07:01:56 AM
Quote from: The Wooksta! on July 21, 2020, 09:52:48 AM
RWR bullets for the old tool Airfix Buccaneer.

Do you mean the ones on the wings? I have a set of ARI 8165 aerials (same as ones that come in the Redbeard set), but I haven't listed on website separately yet.

Colin     

Yes.  Plenty of people have the old kit stashed away or have picked up a few and will want some smaller upgrade bits.

Yes, I'd purchase at least a couple (maybe more!) sets of those. I have 4 or 5 old Buccs in the stash at least!  ;D
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: The Wooksta! on July 22, 2020, 08:56:06 AM
I've at least three with the rest being the Gulf boxing which came with natty new sprues which included bits that should have been in the kit from the start.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Glenn Gilbertson on July 24, 2020, 11:24:10 AM
RW, I know, but would there be a market for the extra equipment plus decals for air ambulances? e,g, Hampshire & Isle of Wight EC135:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50148577251_8ddc3632f2_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jpsySg)P1750348 (https://flic.kr/p/2jpsySg) by Glenn Gilbertson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/188827820@N06/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50148578191_c70a66c402_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jpsz9t)P1750354 (https://flic.kr/p/2jpsz9t) by Glenn Gilbertson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/188827820@N06/), on Flickr
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Maybe bundle with the Revell 1/72 kit, & charge a small premium donated to the charity?



Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: The Wooksta! on July 24, 2020, 12:44:25 PM
Sea Hornet NF21 style exhausts for late Mosquito nightfighters (see PM)

Have I mentioned new vacform canopies for B.XVI and PR34 Mosquitoes?  The latter is identical to the former apart from an astrodome on top.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Freightdog862 on July 25, 2020, 08:40:34 AM
Quote from: Glenn Gilbertson on July 24, 2020, 11:24:10 AM
RW, I know, but would there be a market for the extra equipment plus decals for air ambulances? e,g, Hampshire & Isle of Wight EC135:

Maybe bundle with the Revell 1/72 kit, & charge a small premium donated to the charity?


Hi Glenn,

Thanks for the suggestion, its a good idea, but probably something that Whirlybirds would/could do. Have you tried approaching Roger or David Evans? I don't think I'd like to tread on their toes, I know they have done some Air Ambulance sets in the past, its not something I really know anything about.

Colin   
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: chrisonord on July 25, 2020, 11:06:16 AM
Do you think there could be a market for 1/72nd scale  Bluewater  missiles  Colin? And perhaps  some  different  engines for the H.P jetstream including propellers  :thumbsup:
Chris
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 25, 2020, 12:23:40 PM
IIRC Colin used to do a pair of Blue Waters, or did I imagine that?
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: chrisonord on July 25, 2020, 12:39:13 PM
Would be nice if he did, and would again  ;D
Chris
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Freightdog862 on July 25, 2020, 01:08:52 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on July 25, 2020, 12:23:40 PM
IIRC Colin used to do a pair of Blue Waters, or did I imagine that?

You have a better memory than me, I completely forgot I had done them! A re-issue is possible, I'll look into it.

Colin 
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 25, 2020, 02:33:34 PM
Quote from: Freightdog862 on July 25, 2020, 01:08:52 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on July 25, 2020, 12:23:40 PM
IIRC Colin used to do a pair of Blue Waters, or did I imagine that?

You have a better memory than me, I completely forgot I had done them! A re-issue is possible, I'll look into it.

Colin


Goody goody, they're an archetypal Whiffing weapons load for much of the stuff we do.   :thumbsup: ;D
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: chrisonord on July 25, 2020, 04:11:36 PM
YAY!!!!
Brilliant stuff  :thumbsup:
Chris
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: McColm on July 26, 2020, 12:46:52 AM
1/72 a prototype decal sheet for various aircraft
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: kitbasher on July 26, 2020, 12:54:17 AM
Quote from: McColm on July 26, 2020, 12:46:52 AM
1/72 a prototype decal sheet for various aircraft

That's rather vague, Mr McColm.  Do you mean generic markings tgat could be used on prototypes, or markings worn by actual prototypes?
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: The Wooksta! on July 26, 2020, 01:53:03 AM
Fantasy Printshop do one.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DECALS-PROTOTYPE-Ps-30-36-water-slide-transfers-1-72-FP-808-1-72/200416269869?hash=item2ea9bd962d:g:~iUAAOSwhspcLLlt
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: McColm on July 26, 2020, 01:55:24 AM
Quote from: kitbasher on July 26, 2020, 12:54:17 AM
Quote from: McColm on July 26, 2020, 12:46:52 AM
1/72 a prototype decal sheet for various aircraft
That's rather vague, Mr McColm.  Do you mean generic markings tgat could be used on prototypes, or markings worn by actual prototypes?
Let's go for both,  similar style to the BAC TRS-2 decal sheet.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: The Wooksta! on August 12, 2020, 06:25:18 AM
Skybolt missiles and pylons for the new Vulcan - and old one, come to that - wouldn't go amiss either.

An alternate pylon to do the Skybolt Victor isn't a bad idea either.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Gondor on August 12, 2020, 07:19:51 AM
Quote from: The Wooksta! on August 12, 2020, 06:25:18 AM
Skybolt missiles and pylons for the new Vulcan - and old one, come to that - wouldn't go amiss either.

An alternate pylon to do the Skybolt Victor isn't a bad idea either.

As per my earlier suggestion with the Victor added and please, with the production noses as well!!!

Gondor
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 12, 2020, 07:20:49 AM
Quote from: The Wooksta! on August 12, 2020, 06:25:18 AM
Skybolt missiles and pylons for the new Vulcan - and old one, come to that - wouldn't go amiss either.

An alternate pylon to do the Skybolt Victor isn't a bad idea either.


Victor pylons for a Skybolt would have to be VERY short. The ground clearance under the Skybolt fins would have been 3-5 inches at most! There's a diagram of the the pylons in the Skybolt book I've just read.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: kitbasher on September 04, 2020, 02:59:41 AM
Colin IIRC you mentioned something about producing resin sets for older kits many may have in the stash, e.g. the recent F1/F3 conversion for the FROG/Hasegawa/Frogspawn Lightning F6.

So maybe for the future a set of Twin Wasps and radomes to convert tge Airfix Sunderland III to a 5?

I know there's now a 5 out there, but...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_R-1830_Twin_Wasp
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 04, 2020, 04:58:24 AM
GOOD thinking Dave.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: kitbasher on September 04, 2020, 05:24:20 AM
A 'cottage company' called Canovac produced such a conversion/update in the 1990s.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 04, 2020, 08:28:14 AM
'Canovac', hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

That rings a bell somewhere, but I'm not sure why.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: The Wooksta! on September 04, 2020, 08:45:56 AM
Not quite sure what they did, but certainly vacform canopies.  I have one of their Hornet ones somewhere and a Spitfire mk 12 conversion, with an engine cowling and spinner in a weird black resin.  They must have been about in the late 80s/early 90s as part of the explosion of small cottage manufacturers.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: kitbasher on September 04, 2020, 09:05:54 AM
Quote from: The Wooksta! on September 04, 2020, 08:45:56 AM
Not quite sure what they did, but certainly vacform canopies.  I have one of their Hornet ones somewhere and a Spitfire mk 12 conversion, with an engine cowling and spinner in a weird black resin.  They must have been about in the late 80s/early 90s as part of the explosion of small cottage manufacturers.

Yep, mostly vacform canopies but yes some resin items too, including a replacement nose for the old school Airfix Defiant.  IIRC their 'catalogue' was a sheet of A5 paper!

'Canovak' is refererred to at https://www.scalemates.com/brands/canovak--6828.  Not the spelling I recall but the product line looks familiar.  No mention of a Sunderland set but I do recall seeing it on a list.  Never saw any of their releases in reality (as far as I recall).
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: The Wooksta! on September 04, 2020, 09:30:40 AM
The one that has me stumped for a manufacturer's name is a white metal conversion for a mk XII that I was given some years back.  Two piece cowling with integrally moulded exhausts, blisters, rudder, spinner, blades and oil cooler.  With photocopied handwritten instructions on an a5 sheet.

Never seen or heard of it before but obtained another cowling later in a box of bits I bought at 'uddersfield, assembled and in a red primer.  Think it had been used as a master as there was two resin clones.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: McColm on November 09, 2020, 04:37:34 AM
With reference to 'The Admiralty and AEW ' by Chris Gibson.  On page 18 opposite to the  HS.125 /Dominie AEW proposals  there's a line drawing of the Blackburn Buccaneer with an extended nose  the P.139/4 and if you were to re-release the P.1216 there was a AEW proposal as well on page 35.
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: Mossie on March 05, 2021, 02:40:02 AM
Since your doing Dominie sets, Colin, I'm just going to drop this here...

(https://i.imgur.com/Rz02DyZ.jpg)

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Telford 2020 suggestions
Post by: chrisonord on March 05, 2021, 05:31:13 AM
That is marvelous  :wub:
I would buy one of those conversions.
Chris