OK... I am not good at backstories, but I try.
SO.... the story on this one is that the Israelis captured a slighty damaged Lysander from the Egyptians in the "War of Independence" in the late 40s. It sat for a few years sort of as a war trophy but the bored mechanics at the (mumble mumble) aerodrome in (mumblemumble) decided to seek out new parts and fabricate others to get a flying aircraft again. Eventually it was fixed up and used for training and liason and eventually used as a forward observation aircraft in the Suez Crisis of 1956.
(https://i.imgur.com/LoXTqJc.jpg)
I plan to attempt to incorporate a little bit of the Egyptian paint scheme somehow, as if this where painted a bit in haste for the Suez kerfluffle or perhaps they were under constraints concerning paint or something but the top and sides will be the two color brown and blue stuff with bumble bee stripes and 6 pointed stars. I'd like, instead of the grey the IAF used, to keep the bottom and undersides whatever color the Egyptians had.
(https://i.imgur.com/VsYKrsH.jpg)
This kit came with very warped wings and props and missing 1/4 of the tailplanes. I've used a spare prop that went to a Spitfire (upon comparison, they are virtually identical!). Rick has donated some spare wings. And I took spare tail planes from an XP-55 kit where they are unusued. I'll have to cut them down some, but they'll work great!
The kit is pretty neat... comes with some lil Jew-Dudes. I especially like the guy with the briefcase! :lol: :mellow:
(https://i.imgur.com/AH0duKH.jpg)
In fact, I've already started on this... I just waited to get everything sorted out before I made a separate thread for it. I now have all I need aside from a name.... :unsure:
(https://i.imgur.com/T5GcyOc.jpg)
Most of the cockpit stuff is glued in and a few parts have been primed already for paint. I'm preparing to start painting the figures, interior, and get the canopy and frame work dipped in future so I can paint them as well. The gear have been primed. Lots of other little odds and ends cleaned up of sprue gate remnants, etc. I'm off to a good start, in other words.
I even have some decals to use. They came from an AT-6 of same era so they will work as a direct swap.
(https://i.imgur.com/2zkbuc8.jpg)
So I guess that's it for now. More to come soon! I want to get my figures and canopies painted before I proceed with the rest of construction. Gotta get that pesky stuff out of the way to get on with the fun. :-X ;D
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
(insert Popcorn Emoticon here.)
Alright!! Getting more things together on this. I think I now have the paint job sorted. Since this was captured from Egypt, I need the latest Egyptian scheme. Paging Dr. Clave:
(https://i.imgur.com/QTd5owy.jpg)
So.... when it came time for the Suez thing, let's just say the IAF left all the sky blue lowers and simply painted over the brown sections to turn them blue which puts it in step with other IAF paint schemes of the time.
So, if I'm going to do this, I need to find a few more pictures of the Egyptian Lysanders so I can get the camo pattern right.
With that in mind, I found this.... a series of photos of a 1/48 Egyptian Lysander model! Bingo!
https://imgur.com/gallery/vidvp
Anyway... I'm working on it a little bit today, too. I found a replacement piece of rod and have repaired the broken ladder. Speaking of stuff like that... I'm thinking about posing this thing as if they were just about to leave. I want the cockpit canopies open and the feller in back had his gun out and covering the feller with the briefcase as he goes up the stairs. This will be different for me because I never have my canopies open but I think it will be very cool on this one.
This leads to the next issue. I need to get the figures and interior painted so I can get back to construction so on that note I need to figure out how IAF dudes were dressed in 1956 so I can paint them.
Sheesh... sometimes the research work is more than the psychical work! :o
I don't think egyptian or other Lysander had that ladder.
It was used only in the Lysanders used between UK and occupied France to move agents and resistance persons, together with informations collected by the resistance. Idem, the fellow with the suitcase represents an agent or some resistance leader.
Traffic was quite heavy, RAF had a special squadron for this.
There is a very interesting book about it:
Verity Hugh We landed by moonlight Crécy 2005
BUT all this has nothing to do with the aircraft you're modelling.
OK! Thank you. Well, I'm going for a somewhat plausible build here so I'll delete the ladder. If the Egyptians never had them, neither will we.
On this note, I was wondering about another aspect of this... The little winglets that go on the spats. I was going to use them if they're appropriate but I have no clue if the Egyptians ever had them or not. :unsure: So... a little more advice on this matter would be appreciated!
Quote from: TheChronicOne on January 01, 2020, 03:59:27 PM
OK! Thank you. Well, I'm going for a somewhat plausible build here so I'll delete the ladder. If the Egyptians never had them, neither will we.
On this note, I was wondering about another aspect of this... The little winglets that go on the spats. I was going to use them if they're appropriate but I have no clue if the Egyptians ever had them or not. :unsure: So... a little more advice on this matter would be appreciated!
The winglets were used to hang SMALL bombs from there, in the early days of WW2, as in the original Airfix issue (late fifties).
I didn't know Airfix had retained both winglets and ladder in the "modern" kit, those are alternate, not both, and I think winglets had been removed anyway quite early, as useless.
Can I at this point draw attention to Arkell's Landing by Moonlight bottled ale, with a moonlit Lysander on the label. It was brewed as a memorial to one of the Arkell family, who flew Lysanders into occupied France 1941 to 1944. It's a pleasant if undemanding pint.
Quote from: loupgarou on January 02, 2020, 12:16:21 AM
The winglets were used to hang SMALL bombs from there, in the early days of WW2, as in the original Airfix issue (late fifties).
I didn't know Airfix had retained both winglets and ladder in the "modern" kit, those are alternate, not both, and I think winglets had been removed anyway quite early, as useless.
Yup, 6 small bomblets in the Army Co-operation role. They also had a 0.303" m.g. in each spat.
Quote from: TheChronicOne on January 01, 2020, 03:59:27 PM
OK! Thank you. Well, I'm going for a somewhat plausible build here so I'll delete the ladder. If the Egyptians never had them, neither will we.
On this note, I was wondering about another aspect of this... The little winglets that go on the spats. I was going to use them if they're appropriate but I have no clue if the Egyptians ever had them or not. :unsure: So... a little more advice on this matter would be appreciated!
I had a quick look at a few lysander references I have, and the Egyptian examples were fully fitted out for the winglets. They just didn't use them that often.
Quote from: TheChronicOne on December 29, 2019, 03:41:41 PM
... I especially like the guy with the briefcase! :lol: :mellow: ...
Me too!!!
Hell, who needs a model; let's just drink this beer! ;D
(https://i.imgur.com/7Y2fBpc.jpg)
Wee bits more work. Getting the gear and the FatSpats together. Painting the engine with black sharpie and molotov chrome pens. Figured I'd just get rid of all the pilots and stuff.
I was going to use the winglets to hang cameras from so I might keep those since the Egyptians had 'em. Maybe they were stowed in the back or something when the thing was captured. ;D
Getting the glass cleaned up and dipped in future... I guess I'll do a wee bit more tomorrow. :mellow:
That Arkell's Moonlight is a nice drop :cheers: :thumbsup:
Maybe you & Rheged can smuggle me some. I doubt we'll ever see any over here! ;D ;D
SO, what would a rudimentary outboard camera set up look like in 1956? I want to make 2, one for each little winglet. I'm imagining just some sort of simple box or clear half dome. I'm going to go through all my little spare parts and see what I can come up with. Perhaps something like this already exists, though.... I know most cameras are usually inside somewhere but if one were to have them mounted externally is if any other thing that would go on a pylon to make a loadout, what would one available to the IAF look like? Perhaps they had to build their own or something? Any ideas or is this just stupid all together?
Once again, I need advice from you all. ;D
Someone, Pavla I think, does some resin cameras to go inside PR Spitfires. Quite why you'd want them I'm not sure as there's precious little visible once they're in there, but.......
Needless to say I have some of them somewhere. :banghead:
Anyway, it could be possible the IAF grafted one or two onto hefty brackets mounted on the spats, eh?
Depends how rudimentary the fitting was, but at it's simplest it could be a standard camera operated by a cable running from the cockpit to the spat and operated by the observer. Even simpler would be to give the observer the camera.
Look up pictures of WWI photo equipment for just how simple the set up can be. A Lysander could very easily be adapted for that type of gear, indeed I think I've seen photo's of WWII ones equipped just so.
More work done on this today. Fuselage is together and I made all the alterations necessary to the wings and the canopy they attach to. Pretty soon I'll cut down the tail planes and get them glued on and start to think about paint! Decided to eliminate the winglets all together.
(https://i.imgur.com/5f3PbbM.jpg)
I'm liking your back story already! And those warped wings could be used on an ornithopter! ;D
Don't know if it makes a difference, but the winglets would also carry stowage canisters on the Agent Runs.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WWIIplanes/comments/74ukb9/british_westland_lysander_with_small_winglets/
Keep up the good work! :thumbsup:
I have also seen 20mm Hispanos with drum magazines mounted under the stub wings! Not certain if that was an option for this build, though.
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on January 17, 2020, 04:11:35 AM
I have also seen 20mm Hispanos with drum magazines mounted under the stub wings! Not certain if that was an option for this build, though.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49400795518_85cd0ffe17_b.jpg)
Chris
Cool. Such a neat machine.
Now that's what you call a "Jury Rig".
Wonder what any production fitting would have looked like ?
Quote from: NARSES2 on January 18, 2020, 02:44:09 AM
Now that's what you call a "Jury Rig".
Wonder what any production fitting would have looked like ?
It's British during WW2, you're looking at it! ;D
Into painting now. I've flip-flopped again and decided to run with the winglets. They're just too cool not to use! ;D
Not done yet, but have started to paint all the frame work and the plane is now primed. I have my reference pictures and paints on stand by. Won't be long before this one looks like something resembling a finished aircraft.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F5o51gSO.jpg&hash=e6dc809175634d8e80ff08a7be48992717b2984e) (https://imgur.com/5o51gSO)
Looking good! Never looked at the Lysander very much but i've got to admit that bird has charm of its own... :thumbsup:
That's one way of putting it. ;D
If you wanted an improvised armament setup for the winglets, you could have a machine-gun cobbled onto the inboard pylon and an ammo box on the next one, with the belt running between the two. With all those pylons, you could even have the ammo box width-ways: good for ammo feed, bad for drag!
Quick update.... just about ready to paint things.
(https://i.imgur.com/GGgIrgj.jpg)
All the bottoms are painted. I went ahead and put the sky color on the whole thing, though, because it'll serve a better base color than the much darker grey for the next color which is a lighter tan looking bunch of jive.
(https://i.imgur.com/fze8kxB.jpg)
That will be tomorrow I suspect. All the upper color on and I'll start work getting the engine and cowling in shape.
Finished painting the canopy frame work.
She's on her way! I'm trying not to rush things but I'm also facing down a deadline so striking a balance between the two is the goal for now.
Pure happenstance. I saw this out on FB.
He didn't say what is was from but I know damn well what it is! ;D
(https://i.imgur.com/cM5HE62.jpg)
This is by Rodrigo Navarro.
Wow!
As far as mine... I've been painting... she's coming along nicely..... I can't wait to put the bumble bee stripes on! :lol:
Coming along nicely, Brad. :thumbsup:
That FB post must be the 1/32 Matchbox, right?! Hope it's not smaller, or I'm taking up knitting...
I'd forgotten about that 1/32 scale kit therefore I've obviously wasted money on a new set of knitting needles ;)
Crazy detailing :bow:
I'd be downright offended if that were 1/72. ;D ;D
More painting on this one today! Should wrap up the camo then on to detail painting. I'm curious how this is going to wind up looking. These colors are a bit strange together...... two shades of blue and a khaki color..... wondering if my darker blue is the right shade...... and wondering how clear coat is going to darken it up. This time around I banked on it doing just that and I'm hoping that it darkens up to the proper shades or whatever. IF NOT... I simply mix up a little paint and go back over the blue to give it the right tint. Simple fix.
Lot of fun working on this one today! Got a ton of painting done. Still a lot more to go like the stripes but we're on our way.
(https://i.imgur.com/c6bsgLd.jpg)
Hmm... thinking maybe the Brown should be darker, rather than lighter? Just my .02 c
There again, as you say the clear will darken it some.
Yeah baby!
Quote from: TheChronicOne on January 23, 2020, 10:25:35 AM
These colors are a bit strange together...... two shades of blue and a khaki color..... .
It does sound an odd combination but it does seem to work when you see photos of aircraft wearing it.
Quote from: Rick Lowe on January 24, 2020, 02:04:12 AM
Hmm... thinking maybe the Brown should be darker, rather than lighter? Just my .02 c
There again, as you say the clear will darken it some.
Funny you mention that... some parts are too light, some too dark! ;D I'm just sticking with this profile here. There are probably some out there, but I didn't find any good full color actual photos. A lot of it is down to the really bright LED lights I use for photography. Toward the back, nearer to the light, it seems a bit too light but up front, near the cowling, it's actually a bit darker! I figure, as an average, it should work out. We'll see.... gloss might going on today so check back in for the verdict. ;D
(https://i.imgur.com/uyUn2EE.jpg)
Colours are always hard to define, even when you look at the same thing under two different light sources, or on two different days...
as you say, it'll look different with clear, and you can always tweak it if you're not happy - the key word being 'you', as it's your model.
Coming along well - keep it up! :thumbsup:
Thanks, bud! Another thing I forgot about mentioning that will help darken things is the weathering. I've done a bit of that. Just a general all over grime on the light parts. Kind of tricky, though. I'm trying to keep the "new" parts pretty clean... the blue sections and all of the tailplanes. In fact, for the tailplanes, I think I will try to simulate "new" paint for the tan color since I doubt the IAF could color match the original Egyptian paint. So, I'll go over that with some sort of "slighty different" shade to illustrate that. I've also left the "original" Egyptian paint on the little winglets as if they were indeed just sitting around in the back of the plane then they decided to throw them on, but after the brown had been covered on the rest of the plane. It's going to be a motley bunch of paint on this one!
Still doing detail paint, too. Almost done I think. I have the ring on the cowling and the exhaust partially painted. I also finished painting the wheels and went back through and touched up the other colors where it needed it.
I've been blowing so much time on the detail painting that I still might not get it glossed but if I can keep the TV and the greater internet from distracting me too much I'd like to get it done tonight. ;D
Look at that detail ! Wow.
Looking good.
Quote from: Rick Lowe on January 24, 2020, 03:13:23 PM
Colours are always hard to define, :
And as I've said many, many times before :angel: we all see them differently. And don't even get me started on how men and women see colours differently :banghead:
Quote from: NARSES2 on January 25, 2020, 02:17:05 AM
And don't even get me started on how men and women see colours differently :banghead:
How do you know? ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: PR19_Kit on January 25, 2020, 12:33:40 PM
Quote from: NARSES2 on January 25, 2020, 02:17:05 AM
And don't even get me started on how men and women see colours differently :banghead:
How do you know? ;D ;D ;D
"They're all the same, Honey - White."
"No, it's Clotted Cream - NOT the Eggshell I want!" :banghead: :banghead:
What gets me are the folks that confuse orange with red. They'll be like, "look at that red drone airplane" that is clearly orange & vice versa. :wacko: ;D
Quote from: TheChronicOne on January 25, 2020, 12:58:28 PM
What gets me are the folks that confuse orange with red. They'll be like, "look at that red drone airplane" that is clearly orange & vice versa. :wacko: ;D
Nah, they're just throwbacks - orange used to be known as red (a few centuries ago...)
Sounds familiar. I read something a few months ago about blue and green being the same way and there still people to this day in certain parts of the world that don't make any distinction between the two. This still exists in some forms to this day. I know my color description are primitive in some areas; like... well, back to blue... some people will look at dark blue and light blue and say they are two entirely different things while I claim "they're both blue, just one is light and one is dark.." So funny how it goes sometimes. Fascinating stuff!
But both are correct, it just depends on how (or whether) you split the hair. ;)
Right?! Different but the same. Setting aside that it isn't a color that "exists" and what goes into making it..... PINK could be LIGHT RED. ;D As far as all that goes, with certain tints and hues and stuff Brown can be lightened into orange and orange can be darkened into brown so those could be "Brown is just Dark Orange" or "Orange is just Light Brown." ;D Colors are fun. I always try to snag the articles about it for lunch time reading. The other day I found a good one about modellers and the way we approach yellow. He got pretty scientific about it whereas I'm more of a "philosophical aspects" enthusiast. Like how they say the aforementioned pink isn't truly a color and they say the same about cyan. I read an interesting one about that, too. One of the only ways to "truly" see cyan is to look at... I think it was a yellowish color... stare at for a long time then look at a reddish/pinkish color then close your eyes and for a split second the cones and rods in your eyes create "cyan" out of the overlapping signals. Like I said... tremendously fascinating stuff!
Now......
"HF1-XFGMC -173-Fo-33" is boring as hell, though. ;D It's like.... just call it "yellow" and get it as close as you think it needs to be for cryin' out loud. :rolleyes: ;D
Well, she's going well!
(https://i.imgur.com/crlkkWL.jpg)
As predicted, however, this blue is a bit off and needs tiny bit of lightening and tiny bit of green tint. I was trying to avoid having to mix paint up but before I do that I do have a couple options in the further reaches of my paint stash. Some oceanic blue or some crap that has a green tint to it. No biggie, I was aware this might happen when I took the lazy way out of just grabbing the nearest thing of blue I had. ;D
Otherwise I've painted the "new" paint onto the tailplanes to simulate what went down when they had to scramble for replacement parts. More detail stuff here and there and straightening lines up, etc.
SO... next round is to probably stop real fast and paint on the invasion stripes then after that I'll rough up the blue spots and get the color corrected there. Seems the further along I go the more little things here and there I find to do. I really enjoy this phase of a build. All the heavy lifting is done already and the small details and refinements can really make for a nice model.
I read somewhere that the reason we have visible light split into seven colours is that Newton was a numerologist and seven was an occultly significant number (he obviously hadn't read any Discworld).
This make sense to me as Indigo and violet are obviously both the same colour (purple).
When it comes to colour differentiation I have issues with the yellow/green border. What I clearly see as yellow others (wrongly) see as green.
Ahhhhh yes... the tennis ball conundrum. ;D
Quote from: Rick Lowe on January 25, 2020, 01:24:32 PM
Quote from: TheChronicOne on January 25, 2020, 12:58:28 PM
What gets me are the folks that confuse orange with red. They'll be like, "look at that red drone airplane" that is clearly orange & vice versa. :wacko: ;D
Nah, they're just throwbacks - orange used to be known as red (a few centuries ago...)
Strangely in a couple of recent BBC News broadcasts they have described something that is obviously orange as being red. Now I knew the Beeb could be a tad old fashioned, but :angel:
Quote from: TheChronicOne on January 25, 2020, 04:44:30 PM
Well, she's going well!
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As predicted, however, this blue is a bit off and needs tiny bit of lightening and tiny bit of green tint. I was trying to avoid having to mix paint up but before I do that I do have a couple options in the further reaches of my paint stash. Some oceanic blue or some crap that has a green tint to it. No biggie, I was aware this might happen when I took the lazy way out of just grabbing the nearest thing of blue I had. ;D
Otherwise I've painted the "new" paint onto the tailplanes to simulate what went down when they had to scramble for replacement parts. More detail stuff here and there and straightening lines up, etc.
SO... next round is to probably stop real fast and paint on the invasion stripes then after that I'll rough up the blue spots and get the color corrected there. Seems the further along I go the more little things here and there I find to do. I really enjoy this phase of a build. All the heavy lifting is done already and the small details and refinements can really make for a nice model.
I think you want "Nonspecular Sea Blue" which used to be a Humbrol colour, but I think they've discontinued it. :( I believe other paint companies make it as some sort of FS number ... yes, here it is:
"Non-Specular Sea Blue and equates to Federal Standard color #35042." M&M Models carries it here:
https://www.mmodelstore.com/search.aspx?find=FS35042 (https://www.mmodelstore.com/search.aspx?find=FS35042)
Thanks, brotha!!! I'm going to have to make do with what I have already. I'm too broke to buy stuff right now. ;D
I think I'll be fine, though... I have a color that's really close to it in my stash but I'll need to test it... BUT... if worse comes to worse, I'll bite the bullet and make my own mix.
About half way through the striping now.
(https://i.imgur.com/SCcKS8y.jpg)
I finished the invasion stripes but before I remove the masking I figured I'd try out the new paint that I think is more correct. I think it looks better. Thoughts?
(https://i.imgur.com/qgy0KSj.jpg)
99% certain I'm going to roll with it. BUUUUuuuut this means I'm going to have to also repaint all the frame work. :rolleyes: I don't care...I need the right color on here... that blue just wasn't to my liking. As a color... sure... but for this scheme?? No.
Try the flat blue in the bottle Testors range. Take a 40 or 50% off coupon to Hobby Lobby and get the flat set for 10 bucks or whatever. Love that blue, and it goes good with the lighter flat blue in the set.
:cheers:
Love a good trip to the HL!! I'll have to check them out. I might just take a stroll through tomorrow... not that I can buy anything yet but I wouldn't mind popping in.
Update.... I've managed to re-paint all the blue camo and repaint all the blue frame work then I finished the stripes and removes the masking.
(https://i.imgur.com/rkWumyy.jpg)
I'll go back one last time and do touch up but the painting is pretty much done now. On to decals I guess. One last note... I noticed that I've not only accomplished a "painted over" scheme but there are actual individual elements that are one or the other. The little winglets are the Egyptian scheme, the new tailplanes are painted how the IAF painted their stuff at the time, and the fuselage is a hybrid of the two. So there's three paint schemes in one and it all tells a bit of the backstory.
Final update for the day. Officially Jewish now.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZAQiYRl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RuAXaZg.jpg)
Looking good
That's looking good! :thumbsup:
Thanks!! Three paint schemes in one!! So weird! I mean.. it's a weird airplane so it's got to have a weird paint job. ;D
In typical fashion the last day was the worse day and literally every single aspect of this that I worked on turned to arse.
First off..... all the clear pieces... ALL OF THEM.... are ... I don't know... was the fuselage and stuff done in metric and the clear parts in English?! Good God... I think ONE piece fit correctly and it was the one clear piece that glued to another clear piece. As far as clear pieces to "grey" pieces every one straight up didn't fit and were all the wrong size by quite a margin. I did all I could with the main glass but the stupid little windows in the back and the glass domes for the landing lights where omitted and just used PVA. Life is too short for this #%&#$@#%! Not even down to dry fitting, either.... everything was too damn big for the places they were supposed to go. All the canopies are wider than the fuselage, the side windows were wider, thicker, taller, EVERY DIMENSION was too large. Landing lights WAY TOO LARGE to fit into the holes provided, etc. Some of this can be fixed but it's not like I can shrink the canopies and magically make them the correct width. I suppose I could have sanded them down the point they were paper thin or something but It's rough taking 1-2 mm of thickness off of canopy glass. Like I said, I managed to get it all in a pretty decent condition and it all looks pretty nice now but man it was rough. ;D
Then.... the wings... I knew it was going to be an ordeal and sure enough if was like trying to bear hug a jellyfish.
Then I tried to do the aerial antenna and... well... I've done these many times in the past in 5 minutes or less flat but this time it took over 30 minutes to get the stupid stuff to work right.
Then right at the VERY end the stupid spinner didn't fit worth a damn.
I had about 30 minutes of work "left" on this and it wound up taking 4 hours to get it finished. !@$!#%$^#%@!#
Can you tell I'm frustrated??! ;D
::::BREATHES:::::::
Well... I mean, this thing may have been a factory reject. A lot of the parts were severely warped and maybe even a lot of the parts that LOOKED ok were off a bit. There were other issues here and there that had me scratching my head in disbelief. The struts and wheels were weird, too.... something just off about them so I had to go to lengths to get them to look halfway straight. As they "were" they were NOT at a 90 degree angle with the fuselage as they should have been. More like 85 degrees on one side and 95 on the other so instead of a cross it was more like a line with a another diagonal line through it.... just a mess.
I guess it helps to remember that this was an effort to keep this kit from meeting the trash can or in the least being distributed into the spare parts stash. In the regard, it was a smashing success instead of a smashed up mess!
OK.... ... well... it was an ultra pain to FINISH but......... MAN I'm so happy with it!! It turned out pretty neat! ;D
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Check this out..... you have to remember that this thing is a captured Egyptian aircraft where they simply painted over the brown portions of the camo so I'm fully aware that the colors "aren't right." Well, yes they are; you just have to bear in mind the back story. :wacko:
Also, the tailplanes are different... per the story, the plain was damaged so the IAF put new tailplanes on (in reality I only had 3/4 of the pieces I needed so I had to improvise). That's why, of all the paint scheme, only the tail plane (uppers) are the "correct" IAF camo of the day.
Other feature are the little winglets that stayed in the original Egyptian paint. Supposedly they were stored in the back of the aircraft and didn't get painted when the blue/green was applied.
So, we have a mix of Egyptian paint scheme, IAF paint scheme, and a hybrid of the two.
ANYWAY... with all my whining and bitching out of the way ;D and the explanation for the strange paint job out of the way...... I present the Israeli Lysander, Suez 1956!
(https://i.imgur.com/tQcvv4H.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6pdrYcb.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RBg2e90.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JtG6axC.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/dbADKbk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/IElofmF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/HkmpFkT.jpg)
Final conclusion? Yay!!! I'm happy with it. :laugh: I do believe this is my first ever Jew-Mobile, too! I've really like the IAF stuff and it's such neat stuff so it's about time. The Lysander is rather unusual, too, so that's nice. Also, the way this had to be built was a first. Wings had to go on nearly dead last (and could very well have, I just decided to do the prop last out of tradition) so that's novel...... Just...neat stuff all around. :mellow: :mellow:
I'd like to try to get outside pictures soon, before I post in the finished builds section anyway...
That looks very exotic Brad, nice job. :thumbsup:
I like the way the 'Suez Stripes' overly the 'Starial'. ;D
Cheers, hoss! Got my shekels worth out of this'n for sure! ;D Can't wait to plop this thing down in the general modelling community on FB and see what type of response I get. :wacko:
That turned out nicely, very blelievable. I esp. like the ID stripes across the fuselage roundels.
Why is it always the cruisin' builds that turn into last-minute nightmares? :unsure:
Good job overcoming the problems, Brad! She looks good! :thumbsup:
Was it sealed when you got it? Could it be a mixture of parts from a number of different makes of kit?
Good job anyway.
:thumbsup:
That works, well done mate :thumbsup:
Thanks, y'all!! I'm really happy with this one. It's such a neat thing..... looks so cool sitting there finished. Sure enough, it was sealed! Factory staples, rusted up as they should. (well, no, I don't think they were rusted but you could tell they were really old)
(https://i.imgur.com/LoXTqJc.jpg)
;D
It was weird... it was if they were set in a window seal and some glass globe ornament turned into a laser beam at certain times of day and hit on the pieces and warped them BUT..... I don't think that's what happened, it's just "as if" that happened. Cuz... how could one piece be warped all to hell when the piece it's with is just fine, etc. Prop was also screwed up like that... Who knows... my theory is that perhaps the stuff hadn't cooled properly when removed from the mould and maybe there wasn't enough mould release at the same time or something so parts of it kind of stuck and went wonky or..... something...... who the hell knows.
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WARP SPEED, CAPTAIN!
Replacemenet wings courtesy of: Rick Lowe
Replacement tailplanes courtesy of the second set provided in the Xp-55 kit by Valom
Replacement props provided by old Hasegawa Spitfire Mk. 1 kit that had both the 2 and 3 blade option. Upon inspection, it was exactly like the Lysander one.
I suppose I could mention the decals as well; they came from Micro Scale set for international Texans (AT-6, etc) that had Syrian, Egyptian, RAF, Israeli, and one or two other markings.
I had a built & painted Helldiver that I, unthinkingly, put in the back of my car when bringing it home from Nowra during my Navy time & it warped badly. Perfect for a crash-landed version but not for display, otherwise.
All it needs is enough heat, so my guess is it was left in a window display on a hot, sunny day & BAM!, warped bits.
That looks cool - well done! :thumbsup:
Yeah buddy. You pretty much left your kit in a solar oven. ;D
Similarly but on a more "focused" scale; lots of people might not realize that the neat glass/crystal ornament they placed in the window could burn their house down and I've even seen those water retaining globe things people put in their gardens scorch lawns. Water bottles full of water can light things on fire.... one time I had one sitting on the counter and I was sitting there doing something and the damn thing was burning my arm just like a magnifying glass in the sun. VERY HOT. People don't recognize it because the danger may only exist for a few minutes every day when the sun is aligned with it. Kind of like those buildings with the shiney facades that melt plastic portions of automobiles parked below. Certain time of day = certain type of death ray. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Weaver on January 30, 2020, 07:16:09 PM
That looks cool - well done! :thumbsup:
Thank you!! I'm stoked with it... a lot of firsts for me and I've been itching to do an IAF build. :lol: I got to save an old kit, too, which is the icing on the cake. :mellow:
Well done you, Mr. Chronic, of finishing that turkey of a kit. I've had problems with parts fit with older, as in "from my childhood days" Airfix kits. Kudos to you for sticking it out and getting it done!
Y'know, I always thought that aircraft was longer - at least as long as its wings, but your photos show differently.
I once asked my dad about the Lysander - he said they'd had a couple on 'his' carrier (HMS Implacable) for liaison, and that with the right amount of headwind they could take-off vertically. :)
Well done Brad, love it :wub:
Makes me want to dig out the old Airfix kit I have --- :thumbsup:
When my Dad was on 4 Sqdn. just before WWII they had Lysanders, and they went over to France with the BEF and effectively ceased to exist. :(
Luckily for me, Dad was posted to the PRDU before the rest left and stayed in the UK for a while. He thought the Lysander was a HUGE aeroplane after the Audaxes they had previously.
Quote from: TheChronicOne on January 30, 2020, 07:22:45 PM
Yeah buddy. You pretty much left your kit in a solar oven. ;D
Similarly but on a more "focused" scale; lots of people might not realize that the neat glass/crystal ornament they placed in the window could burn their house down and I've even seen those water retaining globe things people put in their gardens scorch lawns. Water bottles full of water can light things on fire.... one time I had one sitting on the counter and I was sitting there doing something and the damn thing was burning my arm just like a magnifying glass in the sun. VERY HOT. People don't recognize it because the danger may only exist for a few minutes every day when the sun is aligned with it. Kind of like those buildings with the shiney facades that melt plastic portions of automobiles parked below. Certain time of day = certain type of death ray. ;D ;D ;D
Mum had a corked green glass bottle filled with water on a windowsill that exploded one summer afternoon - it did a proper job, shards of glass and water everywhere.
This is a well-constructed item!! Anyone fancy progressing from this to a DeLanne Lysander ? https://travelforaircraft.wordpress.com/2013/10/16/delanne-write/ (https://travelforaircraft.wordpress.com/2013/10/16/delanne-write/)
On the Solar Oven subject, didn't one of the new buildings in London focus the sun's rays and melting bits of parked cars? Found it!! Read the Solar Glare paragraph!!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_Fenchurch_Street (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_Fenchurch_Street)
Oh man that looks so right ! Just love the colour scheme, fits her so well. Thanks for the great and entertaining trials and tribulations of the average Joe modeler thread as well !
Cheers !
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Quote from: Scotaidh on January 31, 2020, 04:31:39 AM
Well done you, Mr. Chronic, of finishing that turkey of a kit. I've had problems with parts fit with older, as in "from my childhood days" Airfix kits. Kudos to you for sticking it out and getting it done!
Y'know, I always thought that aircraft was longer - at least as long as its wings, but your photos show differently.
I once asked my dad about the Lysander - he said they'd had a couple on 'his' carrier (HMS Implacable) for liaison, and that with the right amount of headwind they could take-off vertically. :)
Thanks and wow that's neat!!! I say some of the coolest planes are the ones with the lowest stall speeds. I'd love to go for a flight over my city about 50 MPH. Some of the fun of flying is looking at the ground and it's hard to do that when you're blazing past and having to keep your face in the instruments.
Quote from: Leading Observer on January 31, 2020, 09:12:55 AM
Quote from: TheChronicOne on January 30, 2020, 07:22:45 PM
Yeah buddy. You pretty much left your kit in a solar oven. ;D
Similarly but on a more "focused" scale; lots of people might not realize that the neat glass/crystal ornament they placed in the window could burn their house down and I've even seen those water retaining globe things people put in their gardens scorch lawns. Water bottles full of water can light things on fire.... one time I had one sitting on the counter and I was sitting there doing something and the damn thing was burning my arm just like a magnifying glass in the sun. VERY HOT. People don't recognize it because the danger may only exist for a few minutes every day when the sun is aligned with it. Kind of like those buildings with the shiney facades that melt plastic portions of automobiles parked below. Certain time of day = certain type of death ray. ;D ;D ;D
Mum had a corked green glass bottle filled with water on a windowsill that exploded one summer afternoon - it did a proper job, shards of glass and water everywhere.
See there!! I shudder to think the possible repercussions had she been around. That would be right at face/eye level if were something like a kitchen or warsh room window.
Quote from: Rheged on January 31, 2020, 09:13:34 AM
This is a well-constructed item!! Anyone fancy progressing from this to a DeLanne Lysander ? https://travelforaircraft.wordpress.com/2013/10/16/delanne-write/ (https://travelforaircraft.wordpress.com/2013/10/16/delanne-write/)
On the Solar Oven subject, didn't one of the new buildings in London focus the sun's rays and melting bits of parked cars? Found it!! Read the Solar Glare paragraph!!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_Fenchurch_Street (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_Fenchurch_Street)
Cheers!! I'd love to build one of them weird little things and put USN colors on it circa 1943. :wacko:
Yeah there you go!!! DeathRayScapers torching things below. Nutty stuff. The Greeks weaponized it (SO THEY Say.... .. . . .. .. ;) )
Thank you, everyone!!
Future Isreali builds:
Gotta make a Mustang.....have to .
I also want to make what's his name's black Spitfire. Eichman?? Something... been awhile since I read up on it. Probably confusing the name for someone else in one of the documentaries I've seen on the forming of their air force.
Maybe I could also make some type of nutty stuff some day for the what if side like an IAF B-52 or some other wildly implausible idea.
That'll have been Ezer Weizmann, at one time Commander of the IAF, and then President of Israel.
But he took inspiration from an RAF station Commander during the immediate post war period who flew a black Spitfire at his station in the Canal Zone.
I was there at the time, but I didn't see it.
I was only three though. ;D
Cheers!! But..... I bet them things were HOT. ;D Ground crews cursing like mad. "How can I service it, I can't even touch it!" :wacko:
All came out very well, Brad - and as you say, satisfying when you can turn a potential piece of junk into something you're very happy with.
I like the way you used the flat part of the canopy between the wings to paint the spars onto - I hadn't thought of that, but it's easier than scratching the spar itself.
The Lysander Delanne vacform conversion is available from AirModel... just saying...
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/airmodel-am-218-westland-tandem-wing-lysander--208407
On the subject of Solar Death Rays:
There was an instance here where a plastic water bottle focused the sun and burned a hole in a Jeep's rear seat - thankfully didn't set it afire.
Coke (makers of the product) wouldn't reimburse for damage, as 'the product functioned as designed' - holding water, that is.
Funnily enough, a very short time after, they redesigned said bottle so there was a design moulded into the offending part, so the sun would be diffracted sufficiently to avoid a repeat...
I've also heard about something hanging in a window - crystal, cut glass diamond, something like that - that focused the sun and burned a curving line into a varnished wooden sewing machine table...
again, thankfully not causing a fire.
Rick!!!! Hahahah!! Yeah, it turned out great. I love it! Those spars... I was just going to throw it all together but I was like.... "no way, man.... if someone looks in there, I want them to see it! I even painted both sides of the clear plastic to give it dimension. This was a challenge.... it was testing my skillset when it came time to do the whole wings to fuselage bit.... I mean... how often do you glue wings onto clear canopy pieces? I know I've never done it before and not a whole hell of a lot of aircraft are designed that way... it was so weird... I knew I glued the canopy stuff on with Elmer's school glue so I was trying not to bust any of it loose while the spars were being attaches and glued on then about that point it became really difficult to fit my fingers and tools into the areas while also trying to keep the wing from falling off, etc..... I needed a third arm and hand at that point..... so awkward but I eventually was able to use things of paint to help hold them up and voila.... here we are!
DEATHRAYS. Bingo!!! Everyone should take a stroll around their domicile and take note of the cutesy trinkets on the window sills and remove any suspect pieces. I honestly wonder if any consideration has ever been given to things like this in all the decades of fire investigations. A lot cases they don't really find any true cause of a fire (or they basically guess at it; there's been studies on this) but I bet they might not have ever imagined that what burned the place down was the glass dream catcher ornament in the window igniting the couch.
Final pictures:
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God job Brad C. That base is very appropriate.
<edit. I'm leaving the typo as given the user it could be appropriate...
...or not depending on the readersl choice of imaginary friend(s).>
Spelled the same way regardless, i do believe, but yeah it has double meaning!! ;D
Cheers!
:cheers: :bow:
Thank ya kindly!!!