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Rolls Royce Derwent Mk.V powered strike aircraft brought out of retirement in a panic and thrown into action during the Suez War.
It'll get longer wings, RAF desert camo, Musketeer stripes, 60lb rockets, napalm tanks...
It's the Frog mould, repopped by Zvezda for MMD.
Quote from: zenrat on October 21, 2019, 03:57:52 AM
It'll get longer wings,
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Since Gloster moved away from birds with the Gauntlet, Gladiator, and later the Javelin (let's assume "Meteor" was an anomaly), here's some potential names that have the "old arms and armour" theme but still keep the trademark alliteration (and many of them being just as obscure):
Gloster Gousset
Gloster Gambeson
Gloster Greaves
Gloster Gorget
Gloster Gardbrace
Gloster Guige
Gloster Greatsword
Gloster Guisarme
Gloster Glaive
or for a bit of Colonial style flavour:
Gloster Guangdao
Gloster Gada
Thanks for the suggestions Snowy but Mossie provided the answer in a link in another thread.
Gloster Gnome. It's small, funny looking and spent a lot of time in a cave...
;D
<edit> Due to much dog related thread derailment this aircraft has been renamed the Gloster Griffon.
Quote from: Snowtrooper on October 21, 2019, 06:53:55 AM
(let's assume "Meteor" was an anomaly),
The original name for the Meteor was to have been Thunderbolt
I think one of the original test pilots referred to it as the Gloster Gormless.
Quote from: Rheged on October 23, 2019, 12:30:30 AM
I think one of the original test pilots referred to it as the Gloster Gormless.
I think that was the E1/44 that Bill Waterton was describing. I read about it in his book 'The quick and the dead' only the other day.
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 23, 2019, 01:36:18 AM
Quote from: Rheged on October 23, 2019, 12:30:30 AM
I think one of the original test pilots referred to it as the Gloster Gormless.
I think that was the E1/44 that Bill Waterton was describing. I read about it in his book 'The quick and the dead' only the other day.
You are right, of course. I'm in Carlisle, away from all sources of reference and relying on memory.
Carlisle does that to you
Quote from: zenrat on October 21, 2019, 03:57:52 AM
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Rolls Royce Derwent Mk.V powered strike aircraft brought out of retirement in a panic and thrown into action during the Suez War.
It'll get longer wings, RAF desert camo, Musketeer stripes, 60lb rockets, napalm tanks...
It's the Frog mould, repopped by ZvezdA FOR MMD.
Steal E.1/44
TX148's cruciform tail off of a Meteor F.8?
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Now that's an idea. Maybe also a teardrop canopy. Don't want to make it look too different though.
I love the packaging. The box folds up from a single piece of card and the picture is a very simple but striking image. It was the main reason I bought it.
Started.
The major change to this is going to be the longer wings so I thought i'd start there.
I glued the kit wings together (wow, they are so short) and also the donor wings.
Quote from: zenrat on November 03, 2019, 03:01:27 AM
The major change to this is going to be the longer wings so I thought i'd start there.
Always a good starting point. ;D :thumbsup:
Quote from: zenrat on November 03, 2019, 03:01:27 AM
I glued the kit wings together (wow, they are so short) and also the donor wings.
From a U-2 maybe? ;)
Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on October 23, 2019, 05:35:47 PM
Steal E.1/44 TX148's cruciform tail off of a Meteor F.8?
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Always loved the look of the Gloster Ace, in either tail configuration. If there were an easily available model of it the whiffing potential would be great. Project-X did one, but it's not easy to find.
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 03, 2019, 09:34:29 AM
Quote from: zenrat on November 03, 2019, 03:01:27 AM
The major change to this is going to be the longer wings so I thought i'd start there.
Always a good starting point. ;D :thumbsup:
Quote from: zenrat on November 03, 2019, 03:01:27 AM
I glued the kit wings together (wow, they are so short) and also the donor wings.
From a U-2 maybe? ;)
Me 109 actually. Not very long in the grand scheme of things but enough to extend the span out to a decent length and give room underneath for some stores. Plus they are the same shape as the Gloster originals.
Wing span of a Gnome is approx 12' more than that of a standard G.40.
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Quote from: zenrat on November 05, 2019, 12:50:51 AM
Wing span of a Gnome is approx 12' more than that of a standard G.40.
You're thinking my way. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
That new wing looks fantastic! Top job!
Thanks folks.
I'll make up some bollocks to explain the wing fences but in reality they are there to hide the mismatch in profile between the different wings and avoid massive amounts of PSR.
Quote from: zenrat on November 07, 2019, 01:51:00 AM
I'll make up some bollocks to explain the wing fences but in reality they are there to hide the mismatch in profile between the different wings and avoid massive amounts of PSR.
That's a VERY good idea Fred, and I wish I'd thought of it many years before. It would have saved me loads of filing and PSR work. :thumbsup:
The fence & dog-tooth on the wings of the Cougar are to improve low-speed handling for carrier landings & take-offs; I'd suggest something similar for the Gnome. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Old Wombat on November 07, 2019, 05:40:51 AM
The fence & dog-tooth on the wings of the Cougar are to improve low-speed handling for carrier landings & take-offs; I'd suggest something similar for the Gnome. :thumbsup:
Sounds good. Especially if combined with words like laminar flow, boundary conditions, vortex shedding, low speed stall and angle of attack. I need to cast my mind back 30 years to Fluid Dynamics lectures...
:-\
Quote from: zenrat on November 08, 2019, 03:24:18 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on November 07, 2019, 05:40:51 AM
The fence & dog-tooth on the wings of the Cougar are to improve low-speed handling for carrier landings & take-offs; I'd suggest something similar for the Gnome. :thumbsup:
Sounds good. Especially if combined with words like laminar flow, boundary conditions, vortex shedding, low speed stall and angle of attack. I need to cast my mind back 30 years to Fluid Dynamics lectures...
:-\
That's an ideal way to extract yourself from this situation , baffle folks with high level jargon and long technical words. As the Romans would have said EXCRETA TAURII OMNIA VINCIT
Quote from: The Rat on November 03, 2019, 11:50:00 AM
Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on October 23, 2019, 05:35:47 PM
Steal E.1/44 TX148's cruciform tail off of a Meteor F.8?
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Always loved the look of the Gloster Ace, in either tail configuration. If there were an easily available model of it the whiffing potential would be great. Project-X did one, but it's not easy to find.
I've got two so I can do both variants ---- IIRC, Whirlybirds has the moulds now ---
Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on October 23, 2019, 05:35:47 PM
Steal E.1/44 TX148's cruciform tail off of a Meteor F.8?
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That's actually what I've done for one of my E.1/44's. Interestingly though, the tail was taken from the E.1/44 and put on the Meteor, at least that's what I've read somewhere (Air-Britain more like)
Quote from: kitnut617 on November 08, 2019, 10:22:35 AM
Interestingly though, the tail was taken from the E.1/44 and put on the Meteor, at least that's what I've read somewhere (Air-Britain more like)
It's true, that's what they did to solve the stability problems on the F8 with the larger engines.
Fuselage halves together (with weight - I remembered in time) and wing fences trimmed.
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:thumbsup:
I took Jon's suggestion. But not having anything suitable to use as a donor I made my own revised tail.
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That's looking almost sleek! :o
Very interesting build.
Fred, pls, which colour did you use for the interior?
Quote from: loupgarou on November 18, 2019, 05:03:10 AM
Very interesting build.
Fred, pls, which colour did you use for the interior?
That's Vallejo Golden Olive acrylic (70857).
Wings are now glued into place.
Thanks. It helps. I am in doubt about which colour use for WW2 british aircraft interior.
Quote from: loupgarou on November 19, 2019, 05:00:26 AM
Thanks. It helps. I am in doubt about which colour use for WW2 british aircraft interior.
It's probably too yellow to be accurate. But I love it. I think it looks great.
I'm tempted by Clear Prop's 1/72 Gloster Pioneer but it's price of $50 is putting me off.
It's together enough to prime. I've added a single gun offset to starboard with a corresponding underside bulge.
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PSR.
Much as I hate to do it I filled the engraved detail on the outer wings so they marched the rest of the build.
Sanding has revealed some sink marks and the need for work on the wing and stab roots.
That's looking great! Very pleasing lines. Following this!
David aka 63cpe
Quote from: 63cpe on December 01, 2019, 12:20:43 AM
That's looking great! Very pleasing lines. Following this!
David aka 63cpe
IMO it looks much better with longer wings. I don't know how they ever got off the ground with those stubby little flappers the original had.
Quote from: zenrat on December 01, 2019, 02:33:45 AM
IMO it looks much better with longer wings.
Of COURSE it does Fred! :banghead:
More PSR.
More PSR.
This thing has more popped seams than a patchwork marquee. Everytime I shove a stick up it in order to hold it while I paint another one lets go. I blame incompatibility between the capitalist running dog glue and the people's socialist plastic.
I have also managed to dislodge the nose weight so it slides up and down the fuselage. Luckilly I strung all the individual fishing weights on a piece of wire so they all slide together. But it's still annoying.
Quote from: zenrat on December 03, 2019, 02:34:27 AM
I have also managed to dislodge the nose weight so it slides up and down the fuselage. Luckilly I strung all the individual fishing weights on a piece of wire so they all slide together. But it's still annoying.
Some t.v. archaeologist will discover this in a 1,000 years time and declare that it's obviously " a baby's rattle" :angel:
Fascinating! Shame about the rattler. I have a couple like that and it is pretty annoying at times. "chickle chickle " or "clunk clack."
I don't mind a rattle but this is a slide. I will be injecting some PVA in to the fuselage at some point in an attempt to stop this.
PSR finished and I put on a coat of white in preparation for the yellow in the Suez stripes...
...and then remembered I haven't attached the slipper tanks yet.
D'oh!
Gives you a chance to lay down some pale pink for the yellow :thumbsup:
Gnome with slippers.
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Slippers are from an Airfix Firefly which is shedding parts quicker than a leper in bad taste joke (remember leper jokes? they were all the rage when I was at school).
Wow, it's getting pretty!
Are leper jokes at least still allowed under political correctness rules? Every other minority joke seems to be banned! :banghead:
It's really looking good and effective!
All jokes are banned as being political incorrect :rolleyes: :-X Sigh......now what was the purpose of a joke??
David aka 63cpe
Put some pink primer on today in the areas which will get yellow stripes.
Not much to report. Some yellow paint on the wings and fuselage. Pink primer really does add richness to it. I used RLM04 which is gold-ish anyway but over the pink it really has a harvest gold like glow to it.
Nice.
In my experience it needs to be a very pale pink. I've not found one out of the pot that is pale enough yet so I use a white + dash of scarlet undercoat.
This was Tamiya pink primer which is designed to go under red. It's the colour of calamine lotion.
Sorry, but, I've an inclination to drag things off topic lately. Calamine lotion has to be one of the last vestiges of 'snake-oil.' I remember as a child being ate up with mosquito and chigger bites from being outside and at times I'd be slathered up with this crap. I don't recall it ever helping aside from making you not want to disturb the pinkish plaster of paris drying on your arm.
But, man.. what a glorious color! ;D
With you on the lotion B. It never seemed to help much with the itching. All psychosomatic if you ask me.
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 20, 2019, 07:12:23 AM
In my experience it needs to be a very pale pink. I've not found one out of the pot that is pale enough yet so I use a white + dash of scarlet undercoat.
I have found, just yesterday, a pot of flesh colour paint lying around. Tried this under yellow. Seems to work.
In my experience (and in my family for that matter) flesh is rarely pink. Unless it's been own the sun for too long.
However I do have some Vallejo Pale Flesh acrylic paint which looks a bit like dried calamine lotion which I may try under yellow.
Quote from: zenrat on December 21, 2019, 01:55:10 AM
In my experience (and in my family for that matter) flesh is rarely pink. Unless it's been own the sun for too long.
However I do have some Vallejo Pale Flesh acrylic paint which looks a bit like dried calamine lotion which I may try under yellow.
I'm not sure about flesh colour ?? I just use white with a few dashes of scarlet well mixed in.
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 21, 2019, 02:48:45 AM
Quote from: zenrat on December 21, 2019, 01:55:10 AM
In my experience (and in my family for that matter) flesh is rarely pink. Unless it's been own the sun for too long.
However I do have some Vallejo Pale Flesh acrylic paint which looks a bit like dried calamine lotion which I may try under yellow.
I'm not sure about flesh colour ?? I just use white with a few dashes of scarlet well mixed in.
Well, the one I had, forgotten in a drawer, was a northern-hemisphere-white-anglo-saxon-protestant-flesh colour ;D
It looked appropriate as undercoatfor yellow. ;)
I have one similar to which you describe as well (sort of pale beige - although there is more yellow in northern-hemisphere-white-anglo-saxon-protestant-flesh colour than people would think* ).
For general Australian skin colour I use Tamiya wooden deck tan which I then adjust by adding hints of other colours which depend on what racial origin I decide the figure in question has,
*Not a racial comment, just an observation on paint colour.
Whatever works :thumbsup:
Humbrol used to have 3 or 4 flesh shades in their Authentics range. I really must go through the box of tins I've got and see what's in there.
Painting of the scheme has begun. I masked the Musketeer stripes and have painted the underside.
Painting of the scheme has begun. I masked the Musketeer stripes and have painted the underside.
More coats will be required of the stone & earth but you can get the idea from this pic.
Nose is unpainted so I had something to hold onto. Tail because I had to stop painting and take the dog out.
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Quote from: zenrat on December 27, 2019, 02:20:17 AM
Tail because I had to stop painting and take the dog out.
Any excuse................. ;D ;)
Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 27, 2019, 02:24:59 AM
Quote from: zenrat on December 27, 2019, 02:20:17 AM
Tail because I had to stop painting and take the dog out.
Any excuse................. ;D ;)
Didn't know you had a dog ? :unsure:
You could do the nose in grey/green and say it's a replacement ?
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 27, 2019, 06:03:49 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 27, 2019, 02:24:59 AM
Quote from: zenrat on December 27, 2019, 02:20:17 AM
Tail because I had to stop painting and take the dog out.
Any excuse................. ;D ;)
Didn't know you had a dog ? :unsure:
You could do the nose in grey/green and say it's a replacement ?
The nose of the dog?? :o
Hazel is a foster dog. Her other family are on holiday so she comes here to learn bad habits. Doing well so far. :mellow:
More earth and stone paint today plus I unmasked the Mouseketeer stripes (which need some touch up).
Quote from: zenrat on December 28, 2019, 03:44:29 AM
Hazel is a foster dog. Her other family are on holiday so she comes here to learn bad habits. Doing well so far. :mellow:
Always so much more fun to spoil someone else's dog :angel: No seriously, well done mate :thumbsup:
Has Hazel already started to appreciate beer? ;D
Being a girl dog she gets a small glass of sherry...
;D
Main scheme paint on the Gnome is completed. Next comes clear and then I am going to have to dig out some transfers.
The beauty of a 40 degree day is that if ones (acrylic) paint is of the consistency designed to be airbrushed from the bottle then provided one brushes it out quickly enough it dries so rapidly that one can get five different colours painted in one day.
I still need to arm her though. I have some 60lb rockets but I am not sure there is enough space for them. SNEBs and napalm tanks might be more period correct but I do like the idea of the weapons also coming out of retirement.
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Eggstang in the background there.
Looking good :thumbsup:
Quote from: zenrat on December 30, 2019, 01:13:38 AM
The beauty of a 40 degree day is that if ones (acrylic) paint is of the consistency designed to be airbrushed from the bottle then provided one brushes it out quickly enough it dries so rapidly that one can get five different colours painted in one day.
Not 5 colours, but I had something similar happen during our summer when we got high 20's/low 30's, so I can just start to imagine what it's like when it reaches the 40's
That looks so cool!! One might think the yellows wouldn't work right together but it is the opposite!
The way that this build is progressing, it could become one of the earliest 2021 Whiffy nominations!
Very cool. :thumbsup:
But the important question is: what kind of dog? ;D
Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on December 31, 2019, 04:17:18 PM
Very cool. :thumbsup:
But the important question is: what kind of dog? ;D
Standard Poodle. 2 years old.
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She spotted a lizard in my shed this arvo which ran under one of my shelving units. She's now obsessed with those shelves expecting it to come back out again the way it went in.
The Gnome got a coat of gloss clear today and I found a suitable set of transfers to use.
Zenrat, looking at that tree in your picture - that's a perfect camo scheme! :) What kind of tree is that - gum (eucalyptus) tree?
Quote from: Scotaidh on January 01, 2020, 02:37:16 AM
Zenrat, looking at that tree in your picture - that's a perfect camo scheme! :) What kind of tree is that - gum (eucalyptus) tree?
Yep. It's a Eucalypt of some sort but I couldn't tell you which specific one.
Reminds me of a meme I have in my collection somewhere. Caption was, "My dog stands there like he's posted up in the club judging people." ;D
(https://i.imgur.com/DLI6R41.jpg)
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Nice looking dog. People wouldn't of recognised that as a Standard a few years ago.
When she's freshly clipped you can tell. I think she looks better scruffy. We don't get a say though. We just look after her when her other family go away.
At least she hasn't got one of those stupid pom-pom cuts. I couldn't be seen in public with her if she did.
Quote from: TheChronicOne on January 01, 2020, 01:28:38 PM
Reminds me of a meme I have in my collection somewhere. Caption was, "My dog stands there like he's posted up in the club judging people." ;D
(https://i.imgur.com/DLI6R41.jpg)
Great pic BradC. :thumbsup:
Quote from: zenrat on January 03, 2020, 03:16:18 AM
When she's freshly clipped you can tell. I think she looks better scruffy.
Un-clipped they look what they are - working dogs :thumbsup:
Quote from: zenrat on January 01, 2020, 03:04:17 AM
Quote from: Scotaidh on January 01, 2020, 02:37:16 AM
Zenrat, looking at that tree in your picture - that's a perfect camo scheme! :) What kind of tree is that - gum (eucalyptus) tree?
Yep. It's a Eucalypt of some sort but I couldn't tell you which specific one.
Looks like it might be some sub-genus of spotted gum.
The only clipping required on a poodle is a shearing to a consistent (short) length all over. They're an intelligent working dog & don't deserve to be treated like walking topiary.
Quote from: Old Wombat on January 03, 2020, 06:24:59 AM
Quote from: zenrat on January 01, 2020, 03:04:17 AM
Quote from: Scotaidh on January 01, 2020, 02:37:16 AM
Zenrat, looking at that tree in your picture - that's a perfect camo scheme! :) What kind of tree is that - gum (eucalyptus) tree?
Yep. It's a Eucalypt of some sort but I couldn't tell you which specific one.
Looks like it might be some sub-genus of spotted gum.
The only clipping required on a poodle is a shearing to a consistent (short) length all over. They're an intelligent working dog & don't deserve to be treated like walking topiary.
Fully sized poodles are smart and good working dogs. Miniature poodles are dumb, silly dogs used by ladies to look good. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Old Wombat on January 03, 2020, 06:24:59 AM
The only clipping required on a poodle is a shearing to a consistent (short) length all over. They're an intelligent working dog & don't deserve to be treated like walking topiary.
Absolutely and thankfully more and more people in the UK are realising that and treating them as such :thumbsup:
We have a tree with very similar bark to that in the UK ; The London Plane Tree. Apparently the most common tree in London. There's loads around here.
Loads of London Planes in Melbourne. Their pollen causes terrible problems for those susceptible to hay fever and they are being removed.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-24/plane-trees-to-be-culled-in-melbourne-city/11635846
Hazel says "WHAT?"
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In light of the fact that this thread has been sent down a branch line to Dogtown (how it escaped Beeching i'll never know) I have renamed the aircraft after the Griffon Niverais.
(https://www.dog-breeds-expert.com/images/Griffon_nivernais-gpage.jpg)
;D ;D ;D
Beeching was obviously a dog lover ;)
Hazel's gorgeous! :thumbsup:
Quote from: zenrat on January 04, 2020, 02:41:47 AM
Loads of London Planes in Melbourne. Their pollen causes terrible problems for those susceptible to hay fever and they are being removed.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-24/plane-trees-to-be-culled-in-melbourne-city/11635846
Strangely, I've never heard of London Planes trees, but it could be the reason I suffered from hayfever so badly when I was in the UK for the first 25 years of my life. I don't remember the name ever coming up at home either.
EDIT; I got curious and googled it, it seems this tree isn't native to Britain and it's thought that it was introduced during the 1600's. It's also thought to be a hybrid, being cross pollinated between an North American sycamore and an Oriental sycamore. Probably why it looks similar to those in Australia then ---
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Wife's friend moved in to a new place in Toronto years ago with a lovely sycamore on the front lawn. Unscrupulous landscaper knocked on her door within hours, hoping she didn't know what it was. She didn't. Told her that it was a diseased tree and should be cut down, so arrangements were made. Later that day Monica showed up and was told the story. She set her straight on exactly what it was, and saved her friend megabucks on having it cut down and hauled away. Landscaper got an earful!
When we moved in to stately zen Manor we had a dying Blue Gum (borers* had gone through it) in the back yard which we got an arborist in to take down.
While quoting for it pointed at a healthy looking Mahogany Gum and said "and you should have that one down as well, its also on the way out".
We declined and it's still there looking just the same 10 or so years later.
* Moth larvae. About 3" long and 1/2" diameter. I collected them from the felled timber and fed them to the magpies. They had a feast of a time.
Getting there.
Rockets are painted and I cleared them today.
Started on the UC and bay doors today. Prepped and the first paints done.
Scratch built an Instrument panel fill-in piece to sit in front of the pilot. The kit has nothing there just a big empty space which will be visible through the surprisingly clear canopy. Which I cleaned up today removing a large amount of flash.
And I selected a pilot and a seat from the little men stash and started painting them.
I got it up on its legs today. Due to the nose weight coming loose it was a tail sitter even with it slid forwards. I had to add more lead and then pour PVA in the nose intake to fix everything in place.
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Pilot is from my pilots & crew box and is only a little bloke...
Looking good mate
This is so close I can smell it.
Just needs the gun barrel attaching, a lick of paint and an aerial wire.
Back story is part written. The words are there just not in the right order yet.
Oh, and the name has changed again...
What a neat looking little machine !
Nice one.
:cheers:
Gloster Meteorite Ground Attack Fighter.
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In the late 40's Gloster developed, as a private venture, a ground attack fighter from a Meteor F.8. Known as the Reaper it was fitted for RATO, had tip tanks, carried a 57mm Cannon and first flew in September 1950.
In parallel with the Reaper they also developed a single engined ground attack fighter based on the Gloster E.28/39 Whittle. Known initially as the Gleaner it was powered by the same Rolls Royce Derwent V engine as the Reaper.
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Compared to the Whittle the Gleaner had longer wings. This was achieved by adding new laminar flow sections outboard of wing fences. This allowed retention of the original inner wings and main undercarriage bays reducing tooling costs. The new outer sections contained fuel tanks and carried hardpoints for a variety of munitions. Provision for slipper tanks was added inboard of the wing fences.
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The initial prototype exhibited pitch up issues under certain flight conditions. This was surmised to be due to the lengthened wings. Placing the horizontal stabilisers in clean air by using a T-tail configuration solved the problem.
A rapid firing 37mm cannon was fitted in the aircraft's belly offset to starboard.
The name Gleaner proved to be problematic when the Jamaican newspaper of the same name threatened a law suit should its use be continued. Gloster, with an eye to potential Caribbean sales renamed it the Griffon after the breed of a small annoying yappy dog which plagued the design office.
The RAF declined the Reaper but ordered 18 Griffons for developmental trials. These were delivered in 1953 but were immediately retired and put into mothballs in underground storage caves (a double top secret facility excavated post war under Alderley Edge as part of operation Puce Weaver).
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Come the Suez crisis of 1956 the RAF needed ground attack aircraft to base in invaded Egyptian territory. Hawker Hunters of 1 and 34 squadrons were based at RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus but had too little time over target and the powers that be would not allow them to be based any closer to the theatre of operations.
The answer was to pull the Griffons out of storage. Doing so reminded Rolls Royce of their existence and they promptly threatened a law suit against Glosters use of the name Griffon.
Realising it is not wise to upset the supplier of your aircraft's engine over its name Gloster once again renamed it. This time (following consultation with the RAF pilots who would be flying them) choosing Gnome because it was small and had been living underground.
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Sixteen Gnomes were hastily painted in tropical camo and shipped out to Cyprus. Upon arrival they had Operation Musketeer recognition stripes added to the wings and fuselage. Due to the small size of the aircraft the rear fuselage stripes had to be painted over the existing national insignia and radio code letters. There was no time to rectify this by repainting the roundels so they were left obscured and the aircraft were flown out to Egypt...
...Arriving just in time for the British withdrawal and to be immediately flown back again. They saw no action although during the return flight one was shot down by HMS Crane which thought it was an Egyptian MiG 15.
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The travelling Gnomes arrived back in the UK to be met by another threatened law suit. This time from De Havilland who claimed that its engine division owned the use of Gnome in an aviation context. Although tempted not to cave (sic) this time to a rival manufacturer Glosters management realised it was cheaper just change the name again. This time they chose what in hindsight seems the obvious one they should have used all along – Meteorite, as it was a small Meteor. Some objections were raised because the dictionary definition of meteorite is "a rock which falls to earth" (thought not to be too auspicious for an aircraft) but these were over-ridden when consultation of the same dictionary showed that the already in use (and certainly not open for change) meteor means "a rock which burns up in the atmosphere".
At this point, in 1957, with its final name change the Meteorite was once again retired from RAF service and all 18 were tucked back into their cave under Alderley Edge where they remained until 1976 at which point they were scrapped without ever flying again.
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The Model.
MMD (Zvezda) Gloster E.28/39 – Repop of the Frog mould.
Airfix Messerschmitt Me-109G outer wings.
Airfix Firefly Mk V slipper tanks.
Airfix Typhoon Mk 1b 60lb rockets.
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Love It! :wub:
Another great example of the Zenrat industries' wonders! :thumbsup:
It's like a small and fat Thunderjet... ;D
Good one, mate! :thumbsup:
Two little gems; build & back-story. ;D
Love it, a veritable tour de force. :thumbsup: :wub:
But I'm thinking that RR may have objected to the final name as well, as they called their land based Merlin used in tanks and hefty trucks by the name Meteorite too....... :-\
Come out really well mate. Love the back story ;D :thumbsup:
Very nice Fred :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Oh yeah ! Works for me ! I was hoping that they had got into the action, and proved how effective they were. Also sorry to hear about one getting shot down by friendly fire ;D
Love the look of this one. That rear 3/4 shot really does it for me. I'm saving this idea.
Cheers !
FLF, i totally dig it!! Most excellent....
That looks great! :thumbsup:
Surprised they didn't name them the Gloster Wizard at some point since they'd been under Alderley Edge. Along the same lines as 'Gnome', 'Svart' would have been appropriate for a dweller under Alderley Edge, however I fear it would have been vetoed too on the grounds that service humour would not treat it kindly... ;)
Plane trees have actually been the inspiration for cammo uniforms: the guy who designed the earliest Waffen SS schemes took inspiration from them.
Thanks folks.
Quote from: PR19_Kit on January 19, 2020, 07:23:12 AM
Love it, a veritable tour de force. :thumbsup: :wub:
But I'm thinking that RR may have objected to the final name as well, as they called their land based Merlin used in tanks and hefty trucks by the name Meteorite too....... :-\
Ummmmmmm, Rolls Royce didn't object for the same reason they didn't object over the use of Meteor - bothe the Meteor and Meteorite were not aircraft engines,
;)
Quote from: Weaver on January 19, 2020, 09:48:29 PM
That looks great! :thumbsup:
Surprised they didn't name them the Gloster Wizard at some point since they'd been under Alderley Edge. Along the same lines as 'Gnome', 'Svart' would have been appropriate for a dweller under Alderley Edge, however I fear it would have been vetoed too on the grounds that service humour would not treat it kindly... ;)
Plane trees have actually been the inspiration for cammo uniforms: the guy who designed the earliest Waffen SS schemes took inspiration from them.
We were read the Wierdstone of Brisingamen at junior school by the class teacher. Some of it stuck with me but not all. I should read it again.
My sister doesn't live too far from The Edge.
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Quote from: Weaver on January 19, 2020, 09:48:29 PM
That looks great! :thumbsup:
Surprised they didn't name them the Gloster Wizard at some point since they'd been under Alderley Edge. Along the same lines as 'Gnome', 'Svart' would have been appropriate for a dweller under Alderley Edge, however I fear it would have been vetoed too on the grounds that service humour would not treat it kindly... ;)
Plane trees have actually been the inspiration for cammo uniforms: the guy who designed the earliest Waffen SS schemes took inspiration from them.
We were read the Wierdstone of Brisingamen at junior school by the class teacher. Some of it stuck with me but not all. I should read it again.
My sister doesn't live too far from The Edge.
The bit that stuck with me was where they're escaping from the svarts by going down a narrow tunnel, driven through solid rock, miles underground. The tunnel is
just big enough for the human kids and the dwaves, but they can only proceed by pulling themselves with their fingers and pushing with their toes, so progress is slow. The backs of their heads and their noses touch the ceiling and floor simultaneously: if they were to bend their arms under their bodies, they'd get trapped and not only would the trapped one die, but everybody gehind them too. One of the kids is pushing a four-foot long sword ahead of him. Half way into their journey, the tunnel does a 180 degree bend
downwards, and the sword gets stuck. The kids pushing it has to wriggle and maneuver it with his heart in his mouth for ages to get it round the bend and in the process, he turns himslef upside-down. This turns out to be an advantage however, since after the bend, he's the only one face-down: everybody else is on their backs, with the dust from the ceiling falling into their mouths and eyes...
As a borderline claustrophobe, I read that with more sense of horror than just about anything else I've ever read, and I still consider it the prime example of how to induce horror without monsters, supernatural factors or jump-scares.
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Quote from: Weaver on January 19, 2020, 09:48:29 PM
That looks great! :thumbsup:
Surprised they didn't name them the Gloster Wizard at some point since they'd been under Alderley Edge. Along the same lines as 'Gnome', 'Svart' would have been appropriate for a dweller under Alderley Edge, however I fear it would have been vetoed too on the grounds that service humour would not treat it kindly... ;)
Plane trees have actually been the inspiration for cammo uniforms: the guy who designed the earliest Waffen SS schemes took inspiration from them.
We were read the Wierdstone of Brisingamen at junior school by the class teacher. Some of it stuck with me but not all. I should read it again.
My sister doesn't live too far from The Edge.
I've read it to several junior school classes, and without exception they have appreciated the story!
Quote from: Weaver on January 20, 2020, 03:24:51 AM
The bit that stuck with me was where they're escaping from the svarts by going down a narrow tunnel, driven through solid rock, miles underground. The tunnel is just big enough for the human kids and the dwaves, but they can only proceed by pulling themselves with their fingers and pushing with their toes, so progress is slow. The backs of their heads and their noses touch the ceiling and floor simultaneously: if they were to bend their arms under their bodies, they'd get trapped and not only would the trapped one die, but everybody gehind them too. One of the kids is pushing a four-foot long sword ahead of him. Half way into their journey, the tunnel does a 180 degree bend downwards, and the sword gets stuck. The kids pushing it has to wriggle and maneuver it with his heart in his mouth for ages to get it round the bend and in the process, he turns himslef upside-down. This turns out to be an advantage however, since after the bend, he's the only one face-down: everybody else is on their backs, with the dust from the ceiling falling into their mouths and eyes...
As a borderline claustrophobe, I read that with more sense of horror than just about anything else I've ever read, and I still consider it the prime example of how to induce horror without monsters, supernatural factors or jump-scares.
Mygoah, what dreadful stories to read to young kids. :o It makes me even more glad I wasn't born in your islands.
Quote from: loupgarou on January 21, 2020, 05:22:14 AM
Quote from: Weaver on January 20, 2020, 03:24:51 AM
The bit that stuck with me was where they're escaping from the svarts by going down a narrow tunnel, driven through solid rock, miles underground. The tunnel is just big enough for the human kids and the dwaves, but they can only proceed by pulling themselves with their fingers and pushing with their toes, so progress is slow. The backs of their heads and their noses touch the ceiling and floor simultaneously: if they were to bend their arms under their bodies, they'd get trapped and not only would the trapped one die, but everybody gehind them too. One of the kids is pushing a four-foot long sword ahead of him. Half way into their journey, the tunnel does a 180 degree bend downwards, and the sword gets stuck. The kids pushing it has to wriggle and maneuver it with his heart in his mouth for ages to get it round the bend and in the process, he turns himslef upside-down. This turns out to be an advantage however, since after the bend, he's the only one face-down: everybody else is on their backs, with the dust from the ceiling falling into their mouths and eyes...
As a borderline claustrophobe, I read that with more sense of horror than just about anything else I've ever read, and I still consider it the prime example of how to induce horror without monsters, supernatural factors or jump-scares.
Mygoah, what dreadful stories to read to young kids. :o It makes me even more glad I wasn't born in your islands.
If I'm honest I've never heard of it. When I was at infants school the teacher read Beatrix Potter to us and at primary we would have read Enid Blyton ;D
Very nice! :thumbsup:
I remember "The Weirdstone of Brisingamen" as something I've read, many, many, many years ago but in school we also got "Snugglepot & Cuddlepie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snugglepot_and_Cuddlepie)" & "The Magic Pudding (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magic_Pudding)".
Thanks Dizz.
Quote from: loupgarou on January 21, 2020, 05:22:14 AM
Quote from: Weaver on January 20, 2020, 03:24:51 AM
The bit that stuck with me was where they're escaping from the svarts by going down a narrow tunnel, driven through solid rock, miles underground. The tunnel is just big enough for the human kids and the dwaves, but they can only proceed by pulling themselves with their fingers and pushing with their toes, so progress is slow. The backs of their heads and their noses touch the ceiling and floor simultaneously: if they were to bend their arms under their bodies, they'd get trapped and not only would the trapped one die, but everybody gehind them too. One of the kids is pushing a four-foot long sword ahead of him. Half way into their journey, the tunnel does a 180 degree bend downwards, and the sword gets stuck. The kids pushing it has to wriggle and maneuver it with his heart in his mouth for ages to get it round the bend and in the process, he turns himslef upside-down. This turns out to be an advantage however, since after the bend, he's the only one face-down: everybody else is on their backs, with the dust from the ceiling falling into their mouths and eyes...
As a borderline claustrophobe, I read that with more sense of horror than just about anything else I've ever read, and I still consider it the prime example of how to induce horror without monsters, supernatural factors or jump-scares.
Mygoah, what dreadful stories to read to young kids. :o It makes me even more glad I wasn't born in your islands.
Kids LOVE being scared.
Kids LOVE dreadful stories.
Kids are NOT innocent little angels.
Kids need scarcy, dreadful stories to start acclimatising them to the realities of the world, if hitting adulthood isn't going to be a traumatic shock to them. We're seeing the consequences nowadays of kids being wrapped in too much cotton wool for too long...
Damn this little bird is cool. I came back around for another look.
Very good! And the name changing story is an accurate rendition of how these things work in business/law.
Quote from: Weaver on January 22, 2020, 01:43:49 AM
Kids are NOT innocent little angels.
As Susan Death said in one of the Pratchetts, the sound of children playing was one of innocence and wonder, until you could actually make out what was being said... :o
Quote from: Rick Lowe on January 25, 2020, 02:41:56 AM
Quote from: Weaver on January 22, 2020, 01:43:49 AM
Kids are NOT innocent little angels.
As Susan Death said in one of the Pratchetts, the sound of children playing was one of innocence and wonder, until you could actually make out what was being said... :o
Yup, but it's when the little so and so's are in a huddle and you can't hear anything emanating from them other then the "hissing" of whispers that you've got real problems ;) :angel:
Quote from: NARSES2 on January 26, 2020, 07:25:20 AM
Quote from: Rick Lowe on January 25, 2020, 02:41:56 AM
Quote from: Weaver on January 22, 2020, 01:43:49 AM
Kids are NOT innocent little angels.
As Susan Death said in one of the Pratchetts, the sound of children playing was one of innocence and wonder, until you could actually make out what was being said... :o
Yup, but it's when the little so and so's are in a huddle and you can't hear anything emanating from them other then the "hissing" of whispers that you've got real problems ;) :angel:
Ah, yes - the 'Disturbing Silence' that parents and caregivers know so well...
Cute little fella :wub:
And a wonderfully funny backstory :thumbsup:
Spasibo tovarishch.
Stunning job on that! :thumbsup:
Thanks Ratty.