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Title: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on December 01, 2018, 12:00:47 AM
Here is the new project of mine, 1/72, from my Mustang drawings topic http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,4461.1935.html
Quote from: Tophe on November 17, 2018, 08:11:58 AM
I consider building this in plastic, 1/72 Heller, if I get a Mustang kit for Christmas. P-51D looking like Bv P.208.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2FP-51_persp_A_at.jpg&hash=e232df4b449558156f26a72d76154c16d9499242)
EDIT: this evening, my sister asked me what I want for Christmas, so this will be!
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on December 01, 2018, 12:03:40 AM
And I have received the kit yesterday:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2FIMG_1482_P-51P208.jpg&hash=13d42b642e90977736ee7e17471ef1c41958c344)
I thanked my sister, and it was in November, much too early to open the parcel, but... we are now in December, and my son (9y.o.) doesn't believe anymore that Santa Claus does exist... so here is the content, yes.
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on December 01, 2018, 02:05:56 AM
Among the 52 parts of the kit, here are the 14 I am going to use (+ 2 pieces of sprues):
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2FIMG_1485_p51p.jpg&hash=e943d8650e356613730efa079b80feca22f3e7f8)
I refuse weapons and no need of undercarriage ;)
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on December 01, 2018, 02:10:17 AM
Gluing has started, with the help of my 9 y.o. son:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2FIMG_1489_p51p.jpg&hash=c9d3fb223ceca40f60caf8778f1a1aefda019136)
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on December 01, 2018, 04:27:09 AM
As the A is for asymmetric, I plan to increase asymmetry (say: to counter torque of the single propeller).
Instead of a single fin on starboard, I will use as fin on starboard a part that was a tailplane, and what was the fin part (truncated) will become a little tailplane on the port side:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2FP-51_persp_A_au.jpg&hash=20b1c201d8dc954d48057fd3c6f09130ca9fe710)
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on December 02, 2018, 07:49:28 AM
Today I am a little ill and I do not go in the workbench room, cold, maybe tomorrow.
I have just played with the computer to make a top view:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2FPusherP51P208.jpg&hash=0c0f2e76389ba217e2e2da364817930a9ddf28c5)
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on December 03, 2018, 03:51:15 AM
Today, the butcher came and... (oh Lord...):
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2FIMG_1502_p51p208.jpg&hash=f8af79752c2ce3d7928faf67920a31f3be8b81bd)
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on December 03, 2018, 04:03:23 AM
Classified, the parts make the P-51P-208A appear, almost:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2FIMG_1506_p51p208.jpg&hash=bb7c5eda6ac9c94b6afc2f43660efdabc193844e)
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 03, 2018, 08:24:39 AM
You must have a very good razor saw Tophe.  ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on December 04, 2018, 06:45:28 AM
Thanks.

And now, I build the new nose with putty, layer by layer:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2FIMG_1508_p51p208.jpg&hash=45c99361a9e3c16fb530e05a1fe17dddf97913ba)
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on December 06, 2018, 11:49:39 PM
After the N-th putty layer dries, tomorrow this will be ready to sand into a new nose:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2FIMG_1517_p51p208.jpg&hash=7e680d15da90b1b8e4bfe57eec48137bccc9bf94)
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: NARSES2 on December 07, 2018, 06:26:29 AM
Well that's either ice-cream for two or the latest Dr Who monster ???  ;D
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on December 09, 2018, 07:14:44 AM
I have made the first sanding there, but one side is awful: :angry:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2FIMG_1522_p51p208.jpg&hash=3cf8cb809b4d5c4338450de8648a972825117121)

Quote from: NARSES2 on December 07, 2018, 06:26:29 AM
ice-cream for two
Yes, my tongue is aching... ;D
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on December 09, 2018, 07:25:47 AM
So... putty again (ice-cream one more time!):
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2FIMG_1528_p51p208.jpg&hash=f205d382d79eb2f125518463a32b43396335f976)
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: TheChronicOne on December 09, 2018, 06:14:59 PM
Go for the gusto, bud!!!!   I like your design!
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on December 10, 2018, 06:14:53 AM
Thanks!
The new sanding is done, and the construction goes on:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2FIMG_1533_p51p208.jpg&hash=2881d1e159ec16636b7e07e59c5b4b6c0f40ab11)
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on December 11, 2018, 03:25:51 AM
Going on: sanding, cutting, putty again...
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2FIMG_1544_p51p208.jpg&hash=b3255a0ddeb9a1b400386b6295f65fef5233b5ca)
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on January 15, 2019, 03:26:19 AM
Sanding was the end of hardwork, now building is fast...
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2FIMG_2349_p51p208.jpg&hash=60adef61c892c0c81f7dee0cce996674f741d2a5)
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 15, 2019, 04:20:08 AM
Are the forward/backward wings intentional or just artistic expression?  :o
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on January 15, 2019, 05:03:53 AM
1/ You are right, the port wing is inverted (front/rear upside/down)
2/ This was not intentional but a mistake of mine
3/ I will not change it: for me, this is funny/crazy, very what-if
4/ You and me have not the same principles for what-if spirit, you are rather realist while I am a complete dreamer/mad-one...

PS. Do you know how the supercritical profile was invented? An almost normal profile was tested in wind-tunnel and brought unexpectedly wonderful results, then doing it again provide no good results, and again: bad, so the wind-tunnel technician was questioned "what happened the fist time??" and he shyly admitted "I made a mistake, sorry, mounting upside down", this was checked and confirmed, and optimized into a new great standard! wrong/crazy may be good...
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Scotaidh on January 17, 2019, 01:43:57 AM
Quote from: Tophe on January 15, 2019, 05:03:53 AM
1/ You are right, the port wing is inverted (front/rear upside/down)
2/ This was not intentional but a mistake of mine
3/ I will not change it: for me, this is funny/crazy, very what-if
4/ You and me have not the same principles for what-if spirit, you are rather realist while I am a complete dreamer/mad-one...

PS. Do you know how the supercritical profile was invented? An almost normal profile was tested in wind-tunnel and brought unexpectedly wonderful results, then doing it again provide no good results, and again: bad, so the wind-tunnel technician was questioned "what happened the fist time??" and he shyly admitted "I made a mistake, sorry, mounting upside down", this was checked and confirmed, and optimized into a new great standard! wrong/crazy may be good...

I didn't know that about the supercritical wing.  :)  Thanks!  Also - and forgive me for this - it took me a while to warm up to your style of building.  However, now that I'm used to how you do things, I look forward to seeing 'what you're doing this time' because it always very different and very original - and there's far too little of that in this world. 

Also, you've given me some ideas - shaken my mind loose from my normal ruts, so to speak - and that is a priceless gift. 

Thank-you! 
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on January 17, 2019, 03:30:47 AM
Thanks a lot for these nice words...
Just remember that the serious way is sane, mine is crazy...

Now, for finishing this model: I have not yet glued the booms but I think I will start the painting before, it will be fragile after gluing.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2FIMG_2368_p-51p208.jpg&hash=b6f1f94de49dcf2df60b1467aa9779151bed396d)
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on January 18, 2019, 07:24:22 AM
First layer of sky-blue paint on the underside:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2FIMG_2370-p51p208.jpg&hash=f891bb2152c8a23f40090ee5d12e6c00ba773c64)
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on January 22, 2019, 05:48:23 AM
"Seriously", the P-51P-208 is taking shape now...
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2FIMG_2374_p51p208.jpg&hash=453b7aa4030624e87400b714ebcd4923fe1bd528)
Yes, yes, this was/is/would-be a Mustang, just a little special... :unsure: :-\ ;D
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: ericr on January 22, 2019, 06:11:52 AM
Quote from: Tophe on January 15, 2019, 05:03:53 AM

PS. Do you know how the supercritical profile was invented? An almost normal profile was tested in wind-tunnel and brought unexpectedly wonderful results, then doing it again provide no good results, and again: bad, so the wind-tunnel technician was questioned "what happened the fist time??" and he shyly admitted "I made a mistake, sorry, mounting upside down", this was checked and confirmed, and optimized into a new great standard! wrong/crazy may be good...

a very nice story indeed !  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: TheChronicOne on January 22, 2019, 07:57:21 AM
Agree on all counts.
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 23, 2019, 09:56:57 AM
Quote from: Tophe on January 15, 2019, 05:03:53 AM

1/ You are right, the port wing is inverted (front/rear upside/down)
2/ This was not intentional but a mistake of mine


That just improves its asymmetry, doesn't it?  :thumbsup: ;D
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on January 23, 2019, 11:25:31 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on January 23, 2019, 09:56:57 AM
That just improves its asymmetry, doesn't it?  :thumbsup: ;D
I fear this is not improvement but directing to a crash... in real life, but on my shelf there is no danger. ;D
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on January 24, 2019, 03:11:15 AM
When I touched the model, the booms broke down, felling apart from the wing... :-\ :angry:
I must confess I made a mistake: :-\ I cut the sprues too short to become booms (I should not have taken the P-51 sprues but from some other kit) : so not enough distance between propeller and tailplanes, too fragile wing-booms attachment. I tried to reinforce this attachment (see below) but this is very ugly, I hope it will be invisible from the normal angles of view, standing... :-\
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2FIMG_2377_p51p208.jpg&hash=5ae410c33c8da16e82e7eb84328ffe4319d8fd88)
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on January 25, 2019, 02:06:43 AM
Finished! <_<
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2FIMG_2379_p51p208.jpg&hash=4fc1ad0292970770798d92bf9169d7275849ab25)
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on January 25, 2019, 02:43:52 AM
Quote from: Tophe on January 24, 2019, 03:11:15 AM
this is very ugly, I hope it will be invisible from the normal angles of view, standing... :-\
No problem from the 4 main angles...:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2FIMG_2380_p51p208-x4.jpg&hash=1a60cacf4c9ed79a9fcc3330acf89a33da2ea0d9)
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on January 25, 2019, 02:46:28 AM
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2FIMG_2380_igr.jpg&hash=d150107a25e5cc74835ad012dd863e8408437555)
It seems I failed to make it "like Real"... :-\ I fear I am a... what-ifer, shame on me... :angry:
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 25, 2019, 04:04:50 AM
Quote from: Tophe on January 25, 2019, 02:46:28 AM

It seems I failed to make it "like Real"... :-\ I fear I am a... what-ifer, shame on me... :angry:


Perhaps you didn't read the instructions properly?   ;D ;D ;) ;)
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on January 25, 2019, 06:15:36 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on January 25, 2019, 04:04:50 AM
Perhaps you didn't read the instructions properly?   ;D ;D ;) ;)
Yes, the instructions were written in an awful language called French... :-\ My nationality is French but it is so complicated a language: you are right, that may explain why I misunderstood a little thing... ;) ;D
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: TheChronicOne on January 25, 2019, 07:53:47 AM
Hell, I like it!!!!  Very good! Excellent re-purposing of sprue rod there, I might add. 
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Scotaidh on January 26, 2019, 06:47:34 AM
Very nice! 
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Captain Canada on January 26, 2019, 06:51:19 AM
That's a neat little piece of machinery Tophe ! Cheers
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: zenrat on January 26, 2019, 06:45:50 PM
Good job Tophe.
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: P-51P-208A
Post by: Tophe on January 26, 2019, 07:23:50 PM
Thanks a lot, my friends!
I will tell the psychiatrist I have friends anyway (I mean: outside the psychiatric asylum... ;) )