Thanks to my dear wife, my models are tidy, while... sometimes, the models (changing place) are a little broken, this is normal.
This P-51D at 1/32 scale has no more canopy/spinner/propeller, this is an opportunity to create a Mustang engine-less derivative.
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This will be the 3rd life of this Mustang model:
- 1st life (1977-2009) North American P-51D Mustang: this was a realist Mustang, the only "what-if" side was the bright orange face of the pilot. I was 13 year old and I had no flesh paint and stupidly I did not think of using brown paint for an afro-american pilot, this orange was "crazy" (a little less than green or blue but not much).
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- 2nd life (2009-2018) Native American P-51^; to be more what-if, I created the triangle tail, I hided the guns with white tape, and I invented modified roundels for United Tribes of Amerindia.
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- 3rd life (2018-3018 and beyond...) Mustata: the central cockpit will disappear, as the engine exhausts, the belly radiator, and there will be a nose glazed cockpit, probably the tail will change again, with canard foreplanes maybe. Paint: all sky blue probably.
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I have found the link for the old "2nd birth" 2009: www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=26024.0
Before "building again" (PSR++), the first step is deconstructing the remaining of classical P-51D:
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:thumbsup:
Quote from: Tophe on October 04, 2018, 04:40:11 AM
... a Mustang engine-less derivative.
that's fascinating! :o
I'm usually a fan of rigid realism and neatless technical logic... but thinking about your project I feel like your aproach opens a sky high door to a free imagination. After I tried to make sense of this for almost 10 minutes I now think about "energy corridors" in the airspace, powered by fusion reactors on the ground, enabling emissionless civilian flight, where "engineless" planes simply "hook on" to one of these energy pathways and glide through the air freely and elegantly... Now -I- am hooked to this project! °_°
What an elegant solution!
Thanks for having found some explanation, like if I were not crazy! Good!
Vorcha, you're a genius! You have, at a stroke, enabled all of us to do away with visible means of propulsion! Just think what aircraft would be, without engines and the requisite fuel tanks! Can you imagine how pretty the Concorde would have been without those big boxes under her wings?
How would this work over enemy territory? Do these beams need only a projector, or does it need receptors as well? Do aircraft still need speed to generate lift? Hmmm ... many worms here, as with any new idea. But, huge potential! :)
Quote from: Scotaidh on October 06, 2018, 03:29:49 AM
Vorcha, you're a genius! You have, at a stroke, enabled all of us to do away with visible means of propulsion! Just think what aircraft would be, without engines and the requisite fuel tanks! Can you imagine how pretty the Concorde would have been without those big boxes under her wings?
How would this work over enemy territory? Do these beams need only a projector, or does it need receptors as well? Do aircraft still need speed to generate lift? Hmmm ... many worms here, as with any new idea. But, huge potential! :)
;D ;D ;D
I kind of get the feeling there is a little sarcasm in your comment, I couldn't hold back a laugh :rolleyes:
Following Tophe's work from now and then I got the impression that in his What-If world there seems to be no militaries anymore so I assume there would be no "enemy territory", that's for sure.
As for aerodynamics, they of course seem to still be neccessary, otherwise we would enter straight into the air traffic of "Choruscant" or "The Fifth Element". So I figure there is some kind of new - not yet conceived - way to project energy in a way that it only works on some kind of "receptor" inside one of Tophe's planes, which in this way acts as an "engine replacement" - but otherwise that energy beam wouldn't interact with the air etc. at all. So it would be like "sailing" on air, and being dragged by, an invisible "current" of energy as if sailing on water, but being dragged by the wind. That's what I thought when seeing Tophe's creation and I kinda like it <_< :o
Quote from: Vorcha on October 06, 2018, 12:15:10 PM
Quote from: Scotaidh on October 06, 2018, 03:29:49 AM
Vorcha, you're a genius! You have, at a stroke, enabled all of us to do away with visible means of propulsion! Just think what aircraft would be, without engines and the requisite fuel tanks! Can you imagine how pretty the Concorde would have been without those big boxes under her wings?
How would this work over enemy territory? Do these beams need only a projector, or does it need receptors as well? Do aircraft still need speed to generate lift? Hmmm ... many worms here, as with any new idea. But, huge potential! :)
;D ;D ;D
I kind of get the feeling there is a little sarcasm in your comment, I couldn't hold back a laugh :rolleyes:
Following Tophe's work from now and then I got the impression that in his What-If world there seems to be no militaries anymore so I assume there would be no "enemy territory", that's for sure.
As for aerodynamics, they of course seem to still be neccessary, otherwise we would enter straight into the air traffic of "Choruscant" or "The Fifth Element". So I figure there is some kind of new - not yet conceived - way to project energy in a way that it only works on some kind of "receptor" inside one of Tophe's planes, which in this way acts as an "engine replacement" - but otherwise that energy beam wouldn't interact with the air etc. at all. So it would be like "sailing" on air, and being dragged by, an invisible "current" of energy as if sailing on water, but being dragged by the wind. That's what I thought when seeing Tophe's creation and I kinda like it <_< :o
Actually, I wasn't being sarcastic at all. I really think your theory has made possible a completely new level of Whiffery.
In the '70s I read a book about a guy who invented a Sky Hook. It was powered by super-batteries which he loaded into his Piper - Cherokee, I think? - call-sign "22T" -> 'Two Two Tango'. He took off normally, engaged the Sky Hook, switched off the engine, and (on internal oxygen) climbed to airliner heights. He was seen by several, IIRC, who reported a Cherokee about 10K higher than its normal rating, with the prop stationary. The recording of the pilots' reports then forced the Powers That Be to take our hero seriously, and the Sky Hook went on to be Happily Ever After. I don't recall the name of the book, but someone may.
Quote from: Scotaidh on October 06, 2018, 01:24:58 PM
Quote from: Vorcha on October 06, 2018, 12:15:10 PM
Quote from: Scotaidh on October 06, 2018, 03:29:49 AM
Vorcha, you're a genius! You have, at a stroke, enabled all of us to do away with visible means of propulsion! Just think what aircraft would be, without engines and the requisite fuel tanks! Can you imagine how pretty the Concorde would have been without those big boxes under her wings?
How would this work over enemy territory? Do these beams need only a projector, or does it need receptors as well? Do aircraft still need speed to generate lift? Hmmm ... many worms here, as with any new idea. But, huge potential! :)
;D ;D ;D
I kind of get the feeling there is a little sarcasm in your comment, I couldn't hold back a laugh :rolleyes:
Following Tophe's work from now and then I got the impression that in his What-If world there seems to be no militaries anymore so I assume there would be no "enemy territory", that's for sure.
As for aerodynamics, they of course seem to still be neccessary, otherwise we would enter straight into the air traffic of "Choruscant" or "The Fifth Element". So I figure there is some kind of new - not yet conceived - way to project energy in a way that it only works on some kind of "receptor" inside one of Tophe's planes, which in this way acts as an "engine replacement" - but otherwise that energy beam wouldn't interact with the air etc. at all. So it would be like "sailing" on air, and being dragged by, an invisible "current" of energy as if sailing on water, but being dragged by the wind. That's what I thought when seeing Tophe's creation and I kinda like it <_< :o
Actually, I wasn't being sarcastic at all. I really think your theory has made possible a completely new level of Whiffery.
In the '70s I read a book about a guy who invented a Sky Hook. It was powered by super-batteries which he loaded into his Piper - Cherokee, I think? - call-sign "22T" -> 'Two Two Tango'. He took off normally, engaged the Sky Hook, switched off the engine, and (on internal oxygen) climbed to airliner heights. He was seen by several, IIRC, who reported a Cherokee about 10K higher than its normal rating, with the prop stationary. The recording of the pilots' reports then forced the Powers That Be to take our hero seriously, and the Sky Hook went on to be Happily Ever After. I don't recall the name of the book, but someone may.
°o° wow. thats a book I'd like to read.
EDIT: there is a book on amazon called "Skyhook", but from the description it doesn't seem to be the book you're talking about.
Makes me think of something like energy highways propelling vehicles from point A to point B Like George Jetson on his way to work. The energy current sweeping a vehicle along sounds good to me. Any way you look at it, it leaves tons of whiffing options! I say let's get to it!
After this pleasant dream about explanation, let me go back to plastic hardwork, starting to fill the huge holes with plastic, before adding putty in quantity:
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Putty is added, little by little. And I have removed the tailplanes (to become foreplanes):
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I consider 2 changes:
- Decreasing the span of this huge 1/32 model, taking too much room. The wing tips would become big winglets.
- Low foreplanes a very little distant from low wing seem bad, high forplanes may be better, a little like sesquiplane.
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Removing the belly scoop (no engine --> no cooling):
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Carry on!
Thanks!
Instead of winglets, I have considered a biplane layout, with short span as well:
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But that would be too much close to a model I already made, 1/72, see http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,45223.30.html
Little by little, putty has been added on this huge 1/32 old model. Now PSR time will come, not pleasant either :-\
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Ahem, sanding is veeeeery long with so much matter on this 1/32 model (not 1/144)... I have not finished the port side of the front fuselage, and not touched the starboard side yet...
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To get down to a rough shape, I use metal files from my workshop to remove material quickly. Once I'm down to the safe minimum, I switch to emery boards.
Thanks! I may try that, yes. :thumbsup:
Well, the main hardwork has been done on the starboard side now. I see better where there is a lack of matter, for putty again...
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Then putty again, yes:
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And putty addition also on the underside of the nose:
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... sanding again... done...
... then putty again... done...
(I will have to order more putty...) :-\
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Quote from: Tophe on November 17, 2018, 06:43:35 AM
... sanding again... done...
... then putty again... done...
Same action, same result, still unfinished. (I have no more putty, 4 tubes are ordered...).
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Tired of sanding, I have played sawing...
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:o
Uh, if this is a question "what (a hell) are you doing?", see at the top of this page 2.
If this is disagreeing, sorry for this butchery, lacking room for storage.
The belated sanding is done:
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But there are holes remaining, and that will need putty once (or twice) more. I must wait to receive the extra tubes for this. The parcel is delayed because of the missing Su-27 1/144 in the same invoice (to avoid postage payment, reaching the bargain total...) :-\
I have received the putty, a big amount of it. And I have started filling "holes":
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I think you could repair the M1 Motorway with that lot Tophe ;D
I can just imagine the discussion in the Revell boardroom. "We need to increase production of Plasto. There has been a huge surge in sales" ;)
Quote from: Tophe on December 01, 2018, 02:02:43 AM
I have received the putty, a big amount of it. And I have started filling "holes":
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:) I think that'd be about a year's supply for me, my friend! :) But hey - you can't do magic without the proper equipment, right? :) I'm fascinated to see how this turns out. :)
Thanks!
But you know: there is an explanation about my huge use of putty - in 3D, 1/32nd (left) is almost 3 million times bigger than 1/72nd (right):
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Almost smooth...
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The last putty for the nose, maybe (I hope so...):
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This project is not cancelled (like the P-51P-208A under it): I have put a first layer of paint on the side above. I have to work on the canard foreplanes also.
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:thumbsup:
Thanks!
Well advancing:
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Finishing the first layer of paint on the side above:
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looking nice :wub:
Thanks!
2nd layer of paint, the last one:
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Finishing is scheduled for tomorrow.
finished:
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:thumbsup:
a completely original way of rethinking things, as usual !
Thanks!
(In our French language, dear ericr, "original" means uncommon, not like in English maybe, where it means inceptive)...
And here is the 4 view usual picture of mine:
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Just about the only thing that shows it used to be a Mustang is the shape of the fin!
Amazing stuff Tophe. :thumbsup:
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: