I'm a bit of a Douglas Commercial nut, as some of you will know, and I'm also a big Braniff fan, and these interests came together in the famous Braniff 'Calder' DC8-62. I've even got a framed Braniff plastic bag on my wall showing the Calder 8. ;D
(https://imageshack.com/a/img924/7981/ak0dfy.jpg)
Thanks to the efforts of a good friend who worked for Braniff, the late Joe Turner, I have a load of pics of the 'Calder 8' and I've always wanted to build a model of it, but that paint job would put anyone off, but......
Some years ago I came across a decal sheet for the Calder 8, deep joy! What I hadn't got was the -62 to go with it. The ancient Revell DC8-61 isn't that accurate, and has the earlier engines and wings, and would need a lot of work to make it into a -62, but that didn't stop me trying. Sadly it was a disaster and I binned it 10 yrs ago.
But then along came Minicraft with their exquisite DC8-63! :thumbsup:
I got one of these pretty quickly, but a plan was forming............
(https://imageshack.com/a/img924/241/bqiPkN.jpg)
Last week I bought a second one, the S&M marketed 'no box' version, which also comes with CFM-56 engines for the -73 version. The kit always came with markings inside the fuselage so you can cut it down to make the shorter -62 version, and other markings for the earlier -50s too I think, but that's not mentioned in the instructions.
(https://imageshack.com/a/img921/4537/69eBw9.jpg)
The fuselage showing the cutting markings for the shorter -62.
(https://imageshack.com/a/img922/8290/6kxQpf.jpg)
Both engine types, the fat CFM-56 and the long thin JT3-3bs, shown here. I built one of each to show the difference.
'So what has all this to do with Whiffing?' I hear you ask.......
Well, if I've sawn out two sections from the fuselage of the Calder 8, they'll fit into the other -63 to make an -83 perhaps? And with the spare CFM-56s I've got the makings of another version that Douglas never built. ;D
Of course it may need longer wings to lift all that extra fuselage length, and I'll need to find some LOOOOOONG decals for it too! ;) :o
Good idea :thumbsup:
That looks like a great kit, and with engine choices!!!! Great for the spares box or builders choice, wish more kits came that way.
The DC-8 seems a bit overshadowed by the 707, too bad, the stretch DC-8's are a real classic and great looking aircraft.
Quote from: sandiego89 on September 27, 2018, 07:12:46 PM
That looks like a great kit, and with engine choices!!!! Great for the spares box or builders choice, wish more kits came that way.
The DC-8 seems a bit overshadowed by the 707, too bad, the stretch DC-8's are a real classic and great looking aircraft.
I'm not sure if current Minicraft boxed Eights come with both engine choices, but the 'no box' versions do, but don't include any decals at all.
In the 80s when I flew back and forth to Holland very frequently KLM flew their Sciphol-Heathrow sector using DC9-30s usually (they also served a meal on the hour long flight, unlike BA's 'drinks only' policy ;D) but the last two flights on a Friday used their DC8-63s because of the increased loading. I always tried to get a seat as far to the rear as possible as you could actually SEE the fuselage bend as the aircraft rotated on take-off! :o
Even better was the huge number of cabin staff they carried in order to do the 'full service' with over 200 pax aboard. They were hauling the trollies out of the galley before the flaps were up and often still collecting the debris as we crossed the threshold at Heathrow! :o :o :o
Quote from: PR19_Kit on September 27, 2018, 05:39:06 PM
Last week I bought a second one
I would not be myself if I forget to suggest using these 2 kits for a Zwilling version (DC-8Z?), with tandem wings maybe, this would be great! (and huge span moreover, which is a PR19_Kit trademark...) ;)
Quote from: Tophe on September 28, 2018, 12:14:43 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on September 27, 2018, 05:39:06 PM
Last week I bought a second one
I would not be myself if I forget to suggest using these 2 kits for a Zwilling version (DC-8Z?), with tandem wings maybe, this would be great! (and huge span moreover, which is a PR19_Kit trademark...) ;)
Somehow I feel that was predictable. ;D
But I actually like the idea, and I may just have a go at it, especially as I just got paid for my one day's work earlier in the month. ;D (those box-less DC8 kits aren't all that cheap, so the expense is a consideration)
hurrah for the Calder DC-8 !
it is the very reason why I came back into modelling as an adult ;)
Quote from: PR19_Kit on September 28, 2018, 12:12:41 AM
... I always tried to get a seat as far to the rear as possible as you could actually SEE the fuselage bend as the aircraft rotated on take-off!
Did you point it out to whoever was sitting next to you? :wacko:
Oh yes!! I love it.
DC-8.... the first super sonic airliner! :wacko:
Quote from: zenrat on September 28, 2018, 03:27:26 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on September 28, 2018, 12:12:41 AM
... I always tried to get a seat as far to the rear as possible as you could actually SEE the fuselage bend as the aircraft rotated on take-off!
Did you point it out to whoever was sitting next to you? :wacko:
On one of the trips I did, yes. He was an aviation nut as well and I told him about 'the bend' before we even pushed back, so we were both looking. We mentioned it to one of the FAs too and she said it was normal on the Stretch 8s!
Quote from: PR19_Kit on September 28, 2018, 03:52:37 AM
Quote from: zenrat on September 28, 2018, 03:27:26 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on September 28, 2018, 12:12:41 AM
... I always tried to get a seat as far to the rear as possible as you could actually SEE the fuselage bend as the aircraft rotated on take-off!
Did you point it out to whoever was sitting next to you? :wacko:
On one of the trips I did, yes. He was an aviation nut as well and I told him about 'the bend' before we even pushed back, so we were both looking. We mentioned it to one of the FAs too and she said it was normal on the Stretch 8s!
:thumbsup:
I like to watch the wings flex on take off.
The instructions warn you not to paint the wing joints, the usual Mincraft interleaved 'fingers', as they are precision moulded. They aren't kidding!
(https://imageshack.com/a/img921/280/V6hkRp.jpg)
The 'fingers' are meant to slide into shaped slots deep in the wing root and the inner portion of the wing is then meant to slide into the wing root fairing. Except they don't, slide that is. It's an incredibly tight fit and without some relieving it's just not going to fit.
Here's the framed plastic bag BTW.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg903.imageshack.us%2Fimg903%2F5648%2FXarzm3.jpg&hash=48f137e2cd96f32b310f4aee6724b75c3e79b903)
Quote from: PR19_Kit on September 28, 2018, 08:18:54 AM
Here's the framed plastic bag BTW.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
thanks !
It's looking like a small scale version of the Long Beach production line here. ;D
I've sawn up both DC8 fuselages into their respective bits, and I wasn't as successful as I'd hoped. A couple of the cuts aren't really as straight as they could be, despite the marker grooves that Minicraft moulded for me. (I never was any good at sawing straight anyway.....) The earlier, boxed, kit is moulded in totally different styrene to the later one, it's semi-translucent and much more brittle, so much so that one chunk snapped off, as you can see in the first pic, top right.
(https://imageshack.com/a/img921/6874/Sv2m3e.jpg)
The top fuselage is for the Super Stretch -83 and the bottom one for the Calder -62.
Then I glued all the sides together and re-arranged them as they'll look when they're built up, approx. anyway, and I cut off the tri-angular chunk and glued it back where it's supposed to be.
(https://imageshack.com/a/img923/6941/Zs7OSf.jpg)
When the joints dry off I'll file and sand the cut faces and glue all the bits together. In the meanwhile I'll investigate how to get those darn wings into the fuselage joints..........
This is glorrrrrious!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Also, I am interested to look in my boxed DC-8 to see what engines it has, if it has the alternate ones. It's the 73 windowless jobber... So I'm assuming it just has the "fat" engines, but, never know!! I could damn sure use an extra set of JT3-3Bs if it happens to have them . . ..
....... aaaand let's see here.. .. . .. . .. . Nope!! But, also, mine isn't a current boxing, either. It's a 2006 boxing so it isn't even relevant. ;D Nevermind...
I need to get ahold of one of the bagged kits you got. I think having the extra engines is very neat. Might be worth the price of admission seeing as how lots of folks just buy aftermarket decals anyway.. I've had my eye on one ever since I noticed Draw started carrying them about... ohhh... 2 or 3 months ago or so? I didn't know they came with extra set of engines though!!! But, yes, a bit pricey.. BUT ANYWAY, So now they have the Mad Dog 80 and DC-8 bagged kits. I wonder what or if anything else will be next?
I've got the Calder 8 glued up now, but the Super Stretch will have to be done in three sections, just too many joints to stay lined up as it is.
Then there's the colour scheme for the Super Stretch.
I've got LOADS of airliner decals in all sizes but I'll need a LOOOOOOOON length of stripe(s) to cover the length of the -83. Some of the wide body stuff might work if the stripes are narrow enough, and I have a lot of Thai DC10 sets, which might work. I've also got a glorious SABENA sheet in both the dark and light blue early schemes. Some of the 'all white' schemes would work with large tail flashes, like Air Seychelles, but I think that extra length needs stripes, yes?
And then there's UPS of course, if I do it as a freighter, and I wouldn't need zillions of windows then. ;D
Why not an extended Calder scheme?
UPS would be fantastic for the biggin!!!! I heard at one time that they throw a fit over licensing, however, and that only just very recently have decal makers, etc. been allowed to make the decorations??
Looks good! Rotation will be a bit of a delicate affair though!
Lengthening the fuselage again and again is Something I did with pixels:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2Fm1225993.jpg&hash=c6439bf9c3206880b9147964b4a22cf4168d478c)
Quote from: zenrat on September 28, 2018, 06:14:39 PM
Why not an extended Calder scheme?
I like that! ;D
I've only got one set of the Calder decals though, and my artistry is NOwhere near Mr. Calder's to carry on with the design.
Quote from: TheChronicOne on September 28, 2018, 06:28:40 PM
UPS would be fantastic for the biggin!!!! I heard at one time that they throw a fit over licensing, however, and that only just very recently have decal makers, etc. been allowed to make the decorations??
UPS are less than helpful when it comes to us modelling their aircraft yes, and in the past their lawyers have issued writs to stop model firms using their scheme. One particular decal maker promptly produced a complete set of every UPS aircraft in 1/144 scale, but did it anonymously. ;D
They rapidly became quite popular and were traded 'under the counter' quite extensively. I've got a complete set, but I've only ever used one of them so far, a Metro III.
(https://imageshack.com/a/img921/4697/z8xXMq.jpg)
I once went to take photos of a UPS DC8-73 on the ramp at Minneapolis Airport and some security guy came over and gave me tough time! I told him his jurisdiction stopped at the edge of the UPS ramp and I was the other side of that line, so he could go take a hike!
Quote from: PR19_Kit on September 28, 2018, 11:32:02 PM
Quote from: zenrat on September 28, 2018, 06:14:39 PM
Why not an extended Calder scheme?
I like that! ;D
I've only got one set of the Calder decals though, and my artistry is NOwhere near Mr. Calder's to carry on with the design.
it would be quite a challenge indeed ! ;D
Now the fuselages are all glued together, but all is not well. Not only is the styrene on the boxed and un-boxed versions different, it looks as if the moulds are different too!
It's only too obvious that one is slightly larger than the other, only by 0.5 mm maybe, but the step in the height is only too obvious in the lower pic. I can see lots of filing and sanding before the inevitable PSR session, which won't be easy due to the figure 8 shape of the fuselages.
I'll continue with the Super Stretch build in this thread and post a less detailed thread on the Calder 8 as it's an RW model.
(https://imageshack.com/a/img922/4578/qq71Dz.jpg)
The Calder is so short? It looks even shorter than the original DC-8 version.
The -62s were short, yes, but they retained the long span higher lift wings of the -63 version because the customers wanted as long a range as possible. In Braniff's case that was for their South American routes
The original series -10s, -20s, -30s, -40s and 50s were 150 ft long, the -62s were 157 ft long and the -61s and -63s were 187 ft long.
Quote from: TheChronicOne on September 28, 2018, 06:28:40 PM
UPS would be fantastic for the biggin!!!! I heard at one time that they throw a fit over licensing, however, and that only just very recently have decal makers, etc. been allowed to make the decorations??
Quote from: Kit
UPS are less than helpful when it comes to us modelling their aircraft yes, and in the past their lawyers have issued writs to stop model firms using their scheme. One particular decal maker promptly produced a complete set of every UPS aircraft in 1/144 scale, but did it anonymously. ;D
They rapidly became quite popular and were traded 'under the counter' quite extensively. I've got a complete set, but I've only ever used one of them so far, a Metro III.
(https://imageshack.com/a/img921/4697/z8xXMq.jpg)
I once went to take photos of a UPS DC8-73 on the ramp at Minneapolis Airport and some security guy came over and gave me tough time! I told him his jurisdiction stopped at the edge of the UPS ramp and I was the other side of that line, so he could go take a hike!
;D ;D ;D
I wonder why they're so stingy about their stuff? I realize they don't want people trying to pretend to BE them and things of that nature but I kind of don't understand what taking that to a micro-level would accomplish. Most corps would look at something like model decals a double victory because they can sell the licensing then in turn get loads of free advertising on top of it.
I love the Metro III!! :wub:
EDIT: Board filter got me... makes more sense now. ;D
Quote from: Tophe on September 28, 2018, 11:01:19 PM
Lengthening the fuselage again and again is Something I did with pixels:
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:mellow: :mellow: :mellow:
Busy day here at Long Beach-on-Severn. ;D
I've done all the main assembly on the Super Stretch and the Calder, (there's separate thread on that) I've just left off the cockpit glazing and the nose cone as both will need LOTS of noseweight. Eights are notorious tail sitters for some reason, despite that long nose on the -63.
I take back what I said about the wing joint, when I lined it up properly it went in just fine, but took some effort. However, it doesn't actually need any glue, nor do the tailplanes or the engines, I just plugged them in and they stayed there! :o I'll probably give them a wash of MekPak when it comes to real assembly time, but they don't actually need it.
The engineering on these models is very good indeed, everything just fits, a bit like current Airfix kits, but these have been out for some years now. Only one item had any flash, a JT3D cowling that'll probably need some PSR, but otherwise it all fell together.
(https://imageshack.com/a/img922/5419/ZLFSqX.jpg)
I've been studying my airliner decal collection at length and the wide body stuff probably won't work, unless I scan them and scale them down. The stripes are just too wide and the tail logos are much too large.
(https://imageshack.com/a/img922/6025/r0TQnD.jpg)
The boxed Eastern sheet will provide all the doors and detail stuff.
(https://imageshack.com/a/img924/1183/meYjg7.jpg)
This is the pukka DC8 UPS sheet, but it'll need some stripe extensions from a 767 sheet, either that or a scanned and printed add-on.
(https://imageshack.com/a/img922/2647/JNpkFn.jpg)
This Delta might work, with a scaled down tail widget logo.
(https://imageshack.com/a/img921/9061/U7y9dd.jpg)
And while my SABENA sheet is for a DC10, I just love that vintage style scheme, and it's my current fave. It'll need a bit of sun tan time first though.
The SABENA DC-10 sheet would be nicely ironic given that MDC shut-down the DC-8-60 series to prevent it undercutting the '10. In another reality perhaps the -70 / 80 could have been their 'middle of market' option between the DC-9-80 and the DC-10.
The only non-cheatline liveries coming to mind are the standard Braniff colorbirds. oh! And the Flying Tigers sash livery.
I've got a Revell -61 with the Flying Tigers decal sheet, but I've just found a new fave.....
(https://imageshack.com/a/img921/6537/06HPjW.jpg)
Aer Turas only flew one -63, but I have THREE decal sheets, so there's plenty for my -83. ;D ;)
I've taken them both apart now, and then filed and sanded the joints before the inevitable PSR.
It's quite difficult filing and sanding around the figure 8 joint, you keep having to go at it from different directions, but it's done now and the first PSR session is done. Almost NO PSR on the wings and engines though. :thumbsup:
If the weather stays good there won't be any progress tomorrow as I'll be off to my original sort of aircraft modelling, flying models, after a gap of 25+ years! But I'm only watching, not actually doing any flying.
That is quite the projects(s) you have going on there. ;D Very neat indeed. Did you have to do some internal structure or reinforcing to keep everything in synch? Cool to hear the parts fit up pretty well, a rare treat!
BR, Kem
The only re-inforcing I did was to add small, 20 x 5 mm, tabs on each side on each joint, down where the 'double bubble' joint is.
After my abysmal sawing, even though guided by Minicraft's moulded in grooves, I made sure the joint faces were at 90 deg to the fuselage datum with the aid of an engineer's square and large flat file. That meant the joint faces were very true to each other and that here was lots of gluing area. Only one of the joints really needed PSR, but I did it to all of them anyway, just in case.
I'm really impressed with Minicraft's engineering on this kit, makes a nice change from their earlier airliner stuff.
Quote from: PR19_Kit on September 29, 2018, 09:04:18 AM
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This would have fun getting off the ground at YYC, that's because the city has almost surrounded the airport, the airlines have to be at least at 1000 feet before they clear the airport property line when they take off ---- your project would have to have an almost flat rotation so the tail wouldn't smack the ground Kit
Not as bad a 777-900 though. ;D ;)
The PSR's done on the fuselage joints and wingtips, and I'm waiting for some epoxy to go off to hold in the nose weights now.
In the meanwhile I thought I'd sort out which decals of the Aer Turas Icould use for the 8. The answer was none of them....... :banghead:
So I'm back in the old routine, drawing up a decal sheet for the model, using bits of scanned Minicraft and Welsh Models sheets and lots of my own generated artwork. Ho hum...........
Ooower!!! ;D
Mr. Kit, how did I miss this?
Aer Turas! Might have to have a chat with you. ;D :thumbsup:
That is looking fantastic. I'm intrigued to see where the decal sheet business lands.
The Welsh Models Aer Turas decal sheet I have is for the CL44D, and the big fuselage stripes are green and white, not green and yellow, which is a bit of a pain. The giant shamrocks will probably work OK, and maybe I can use the green part of the stripes, but of course the shape of the stripes will be wrong at the nose and tail. Having to re-draw the end stripe sections raises the problem of matching the colour, so I might as well print off the whole stripe. It's not looking too bad, but it's time consuming.
The cockpit transparency and nose cap are glued on now, so that's the whole assembly done. Time for primer.
It all looks very well done, and I know that's been a lot of work. The decals is a whole 'nother level of effort to which I don't rise, so kudos to you for making it seem routine! :) "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible will take a bit longer." :)
I mourned the passing of the Douglas airliners - throughout my life I've flown on almost all of them, I think, starting with the indomitable DC-3 ... well, not the DC-5, of which they made very few. But certainly the 2,4,6, and 8.
I've always had a ... difficulty, I guess, with stretched airliners. To me they always look out of proportion. I know airliners are not built to the golden mean, and I know why it's done - added length creates negligible added drag - but these really look as if they need more wing - a lot more wing, broader and longer, with perhaps more engine (larger, and more powerful units) to have an adequately safe power-to-weight ratio. Silly, I know, as the engineers have done their math, but these stretched things always look in danger of snapping in two should conditions be wrong for even the slightest period of time.
Still - these things exist, and you've done a great job on this one. :)
Don't give him in any ideas!! Surprised the wings aren't longer already. :wacko: ;D
Speaking of short wings, imagine a stretched Electra with the stock wings!!!! ;D
Has anyone built a stretched DC3?
Quote from: TheChronicOne on October 12, 2018, 03:19:51 AM
Don't give him in any ideas!! Surprised the wings aren't longer already. :wacko: ;D
Speaking of short wings, imagine a stretched Electra with the stock wings!!!! ;D
I actually did think of lengthening the wings a tad, but then Douglas didn't make them longer when they made the original Stretch -61s, and I'm sure they knew more about aerodynamics than me. ;D
Hmmmm, a Stretch Electra, I rather like that idea. Moving the outer engines outboard, maybe to the tips, would make it even more different. :blink: :blink:
Quote from: zenrat on October 12, 2018, 03:33:27 AM
Has anyone built a stretched DC3?
I've never seen one, but now you mention it............. ;D
A tailwheel DC4 would be the simplest way of doing it, and chopping off two of the engines maybe?
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 12, 2018, 03:38:09 AM
Quote from: zenrat on October 12, 2018, 03:33:27 AM
Has anyone built a stretched DC3?
I've never seen one, but now you mention it............. ;D
A tailwheel DC4 would be the simplest way of doing it, and chopping off two of the engines maybe?
You're welcome Kit. I'm always happy to help out. :thumbsup:
Here's the Super Stretch now, all smoothed off and ready for paint. The wings and tail still aren't glued in place and I'm not sure I'll ever bother, they're plugged in there pretty well.
(https://imageshack.com/a/img921/8568/8sfyss.jpg)
Looking very good Kit :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Now, you need to do that in 1/72 scale and blow everyone's minds
http://www.aim72.co.uk/page12.html
Now if gunpowder technology had never been discovered/invented maybe that's what our modern elite missile troops (Javelin light infantry) would have been armed with ? ;) It looks as if it could be quite lethal if thrown at someone.
Doing the decals for this is driving me nuts.
For some reason the Aer Turas titles on either side of their DC8-61 are different! The thickness of the strokes of each letter are even different on opposite sides of the same letter!
Luckily as mine is a Whiff they're going to be the same on each side!
That looks like the forward fuselage extension that Bassler applied to their turbo Daks. This was to help with the balance of the aircraft as the weight of the turboprops is so much less than the original engines.
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 12, 2018, 03:38:09 AM
Quote from: zenrat on October 12, 2018, 03:33:27 AM
Has anyone built a stretched DC3?
I've never seen one, but now you mention it............. ;D
A tailwheel DC4 would be the simplest way of doing it, and chopping off two of the engines maybe?
Following on this train of thought I bought a Revell C-54 kit at today's S Wales AMFVA Show (at some exoense I might add :o) but my plan is a non-starter really. :banghead:
The DC4's fuselage is a LOT larger in diameter than a Dak's so it'd look like a 1/48 version. Mind you, that may not stop me building it with a tailwheel. ;D
It's a VERY complex kit, with 100 build stages in the instructions! It comes with a complete interior too. :o
I have some of those C-54s. (I have extras because I found some on sale.. big time on sale) one is destined for my Thunderbirds collection:
(https://i.imgur.com/aUjFhmH.jpg)
Courtesy o' Wings Palette
I must be strange because I like some of the support aircraft more than some of the demonstrators. ;D
Quote from: JayBee on October 12, 2018, 11:34:56 AM
That looks like the forward fuselage extension that Bassler applied to their turbo Daks. This was to help with the balance of the aircraft as the weight of the turboprops is so much less than the original engines.
Alley Cat do a range of 1/72nd resin conversion kits for both the Basler and the South African Turbo-Dak versions.
Quote from: TheChronicOne on October 13, 2018, 10:51:31 AM
...I must be strange because I like some of the support aircraft more than some of the demonstrators. ;D
Well, you're here aren't you?
:o
;D
Aye, lad, that I am... ;D ;D
The Thunderbirds really did well with their support craft. This thing, then they had the Boxcar and the C-123. Not sure what they use now... I think they just use a regular paint C-5 or c-17.
I've primered most of the Super Stretch 8 (and the Calder 8 too) tonight, and it's obvious it'll need at least one more PSR session. but I guess I expected that.
Still working on the Aer Turas decals, and the guys who painted the titles were either on the Guinness or the potcheen the day they did them! Every letter is a different width and the strokes are all different too, it's driving me nuts!
I'm now on the THIRD session of post-primer PSR for the Super Stretch 8! :banghead:
Because the fuselage inserts are from the older, boxed kit, they're just slightly smaller than the newer, bagged kit, so they're about 0.25 - 0.5 mm too shallow to match. I've PSR'd the joints till I'm blue in the face but I can still feel the depression on the top of the fuselage.
The Calder 8 doesn't have that problem as all of it's the older kit, but it does suffer from the other 'Minicraft Standard Problem' which is the clear plastic windscreen etc. is all in one piece with the upper fuselage aft of it, and Minicraft ALWAYS make them too shallow! The Calder 8 was sorted after 2 PSR sessions but the Super Stretch 8 is on its fourth session in that area by now. :banghead: :banghead:
I'm hoping to get some colour paint on by the weekend, but I'm not so confident now.
Ah, the hell with it. I don't think I can get the fuselage PSR of the Super Stretch any better so I've sprayed on the first colour coat, which is Halfords Appliance White on the upper half of the fuselage, down to the figure 8 crease line. Luckily Aer Turas used that crease as the dividing line between the upper white and the lower grey so I can mask to the crease later on and do the underside.
The wings and tailplane of the Aer Turas 8 were dull silver with brighter silver leading edges, and with the Corrogard panels in the centre section, or whatever Douglas call those grey bits. I have decals for those and the rest will be a mask and paint job.
Meanwhile, back to the decals...................
Corogaurd decals are worth the every dime!! I've seen some that have wild snaggle tooth saw-like designs... stuff I'd never dream of masking.
Oh... and PSR....man.... once the point of diminishing returns has been reached, it's time to move on!!!! You made the right call. :mellow: :mellow: :mellow:
Have you read that NY times article about mediocrity? Goes all into this type of thing and it's exactly the type of thing I've been trying to do the last couple of months which is to "let it ride" and "do better on the next one." Someone once said that an imperfect, yet finished, model is far greater than one striving to be perfect but takes way too long to complete or winds up NOT being completed.
Heavens, it's getting VERY philosophical on here! ;D ;)
Here's the Super Stretch in its half painted state. The creases where the inserts go aren't all that wonderful, but with luck the MONSTER decals will hide most of that. (You can't see them in the pic, just believe me, ok?)
(https://imageshack.com/a/img921/2350/GdXU3o.jpg)
You ain't seen nothin' yet, just wait til the Jameson is unleashed! ;D Nothing like some good whiskey to get one to bloviating all over the place. ;D
Ahhhhh yes, the old "decals hiding the multitude of sins" trick. Reminds me of these used car dealers when they slap a bumper sticker over bullet holes to hide them. ;D
That's a car modellers trick. Flaw in the paint? Put a decal over it.
Quote from: TheChronicOne on October 16, 2018, 03:38:15 PM
...Someone once said that an imperfect, yet finished, model is far greater than one striving to be perfect but takes way too long to complete or winds up NOT being completed.
Yep. I've got one in particular that springs to mind.
Looks fine to me Kit.
I also find you can hide tiny flaws by moving an intended demarcation line between two colours slightly one way or the other ;)
I've got the underside grey on now too, but I'll wait till I've sprayed the wings and tail before I post pics.
The forward fuselage joint is only too obvious from above when the light strikes it, but I'm not changing anything now. If it was the Calder 8 I might have done.
99% of the paint job's done now, just a few bits and bobs to add really. So it's decal time to make it come alive, or it will be once I've printed them anyway. ;D
(https://imageshack.com/a/img924/7820/5aIfUM.jpg)
I just LOVE that Halfords Ford Stratos Silver, it sprays wonderfully, looks great and dries really fast too. :wub:
I've just noticed that you can see the joints on the forward fuselage insert on that pic above. :banghead: Well you can if you look carefully anyway.
I've finished all the decal artwork using mostly self drawn items but some scanned a re-printed stuff too. It certainly makes for a well filled sheet!
(https://imageshack.com/a/img924/2500/kb794i.jpg)
I'll start applying them in Friday, got too much RW stuff on tomorrow really.
Can't wait to see it all done up!
Kit, I'm curious what's your system for creating those decals. Do you print them yourself, if so what products do you use? I've tried couple of decal printing paper types and haven't quite found something satisfactory yet.
Yes Greg, I do print them right here at home, and I've been doing it for some years now.
I use an inkjet printer, now an Epson but used to be a Hewlett-Packard one (the H-P was MUCH easier to use....) with the inkjet decal paper originally from a UK supplier called 'Crafty Computer Paper Co', but they seem to have gone out of business, so I'm looking for another supplier right now. Lots of people make the stuff, but as you've discovered some are more equal than others!
I've found two, or maybe three, problems doing things this way. 1) You can't print white 2) Calibrating the software settings so that the printed image that comes out of the printer is the correct size and 3) Getting the colours correct.
There used to be a printer called an ALPS that could print white using their special ribbons but they're no longer made and no-one seems to have re-entered the market.
You can use laser printers using paper designed for them too, but I've never been able to afford one......
The image size calibration takes a while first time around but once you've done it you just need to remember the conversion factor to use, mine ended up at 7.85 pixels/mm. ;D
The colour setting is always difficult I find, and you may have noticed the small row of colour blocks along the top edge of my sample above. They are setup with the root colour in the centre with different brightness levels on each side, -10%, -5%, 0%, +5% and +10% left to right. Then I print out a sample, without the rest of the artwork and compare the printed blocks with the colour I want. It's not easy but it doesn't cost much.
I'm told there are software tools that will calibrate your printer colours to match what you see on the screen but they cost a fortune apparently.
I use an HP Photosmart C309a multifunction device (colour inkjet printer).
I don't bother trying to calibrate my colours accurately.
I design my decals in micro$oft powerpoint.
I print on Papilio Inkjet Water Slide Decal Paper which I buy on line from the US.
https://www.papilio.com/water_slide_decal_paper.htm
I've tried others but since having this recommended to me I have used nothing else.
After printing I seal my decals with Testors decal bonder aerosol. I'm open to suggestions for an alternative to this.
Ooops, I forgot the sealing step. :banghead:
I seal mine with Keen Crystal Clear acrylic spray varnish which I used to get from the Crafty people, but I found the last lot on Amazon and it was cheaper too.
I'll give that Papilio paper a try Fred, thanks for the tip.
[Later] Ah, they don't do A4 sheets, only 8" x 11" and that'd mean I'd have to re-calibrate the PC <> printer, and I'm not going to do THAT again!
Ah yes. American "Letter" size.
I forgot that.
Powerpoint page setup has Letter as an option. I print mostly onto 1/4 letter or 1/2 letter.
I use PaintShoPro 4 for my graphic software, even though I have 5 and 7 installed as well. I find 4 is faster, simpler, and I KNOW it better. Sometimes I use 5 in order to rotate images for fractions of a degree though, 4 only handles whole degrees.
It has a handy 'Format page' setting that lets you decide what paper size to use and how much of it to use, down to fractions of mm. which I find very useful, thus the 7.85 px = 1 mm factor.
Primered the CFM56 engines of the Super Stretch today, in the gaps when I'm not doing RW stuff.
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 17, 2018, 11:35:58 PM
I'm told there are software tools that will calibrate your printer colours to match what you see on the screen but they cost a fortune apparently.
They used to - I say that 'cause I last used one back in the 1980s - use a small sensor and some software. You placed the sensor against your VDU where you had placed a "block" of colour and calibrated the two until you got what you desired. I have no idea what they do nowadays with LCD monitors. That BTW was how Pantone calibrated screen versus real colours. It was a bugger of a job too, I can tell you. There were so many settings that had to be perfect to get a VDU to display exactly what would be printed out. Then you had to use a Pantone modified printer driver, to run your colour printer. You could send the file off to a Pantone qualified printer as well, and they'd print what every you wanted - at a cost of course. :banghead:
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 17, 2018, 11:35:58 PM
You can use laser printers using paper designed for them too, but I've never been able to afford one......
Laser printers have come way down in price. I picked a really nice home HP network-capable color laser for a couple hundred bucks, with the intent (though I've not done it) to do my own decals. Toner is also more cost-effective for the lasers (I only just started replacing them, and I bought the printer back in 10 or 11), even having done some heavy color printing for classes
Quote from: zenrat on October 18, 2018, 03:11:35 AM
Ah yes. American "Letter" size.
We're "window-licking special" over here. ;D
I've been using a Korean brand of decal paper and I'm reasonably satisfied with it, but I've been thinking about a laser printer. My Canon inkjet doesn't seem to give me the quality I desire, but it's hard to justify buying a new one just for that... so I'm left hoping Kit has words of wisdom that will overcome my deficiencies.
What areas of quality does your Canon inkjet lack in Greg? It may be the software too of course, they need to 'mix and match' to produce I good result.
Well, I think it doesn't print at a high enough resolution. I've tried tricking it into pouring more ink into the print job by telling it I'm using photopaper, but it refuses to believe me. So, despite "high quality" settings, the default for "regular paper" seems to be lacking. The final product seems rather grainy, no matter how high the resolution the image I'm printing (and I've tried from standard 300dpi to very high 1200dpi...)
My old HP printer, the first one that I started to print decals with, not the one that expired last year, gave very similar results, with distinct 'banding' of large colour areas. It seems there was no solution other than to throw money at the problem and buy a newer, better printer.
I don't know enough about them to say if laser printers are more likely to produce better results than inkjets I'm afraid. Mu gut feeling, having seen some laser printed results, is that they are better at doing that.
Lots of progress this evening as my fave part of modelling has started, getting the decals on. :thumbsup:
I've done most of the port side of the Super Stretch, and all the wings and tailplanes. Here's a couple of progress pics.
(https://imageshack.com/a/img922/7073/e1bpuC.jpg)
Here you can see the inspar areas of the wings and the fuel hatches. The engines have only been primed so far.
(https://imageshack.com/a/img924/866/7yBasH.jpg)
And here's the port side of the fuselage. No cockpit yet as it has to match up with the starboard decals when I get them on, probably sometime tomorrow. The stripe at the tail needs to be trimmed yet, but I'll wait till it's dry first. You can JUST see the doors, emergency window exits and the big cargo hatch.
:thumbsup:
According to me, your model is finished, in a wonderful asymmetric layout! :wub: ;D ;)
No no! It needs more engines and a rudder on the wing!
:o
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 19, 2018, 03:42:44 PM
Lots of progress this evening as my fave part of modelling has started, getting the decals on. :thumbsup:
Probably mine as well. It's certainly the stage that brings a model to life.
I think your response was predictable Tophe. ;D ;D
I'm quite pleased with it, except that the 'dent' in the roof by the forward cargo hatch seems to be getting worse! I'm not going to do anything about it before Telford, remembering the ENDless problems I had with the 777-900, but I may have a go at sorting it out early next year. It detracts from the 'longness' of the model. ;D
Glorious!!! Amazing that you can make a giant stretch DC 8 in a couple weeks and I can't even knock out a wee 1-11 in half a year. ;D ;D ;D
Simply amazing.... and long. Wow.
Quote from: TheChronicOne on October 20, 2018, 03:16:32 AM
Glorious!!! Amazing that you can make a giant stretch DC 8 in a couple weeks and I can't even knock out a wee 1-11 in half a year. ;D ;D ;D
That'll be because I've been building airliner kits since 1972 I expect. ;D ;D ;D
Plus I gave up all the work stuff 10 years ago.
;D ;D
I'll get my build speed up eventually. I'm still very new to airliner builds so I guess I shouldn't be too worried. :wacko:
Very graceful. :thumbsup:
Tonight's decaling session didn't go so well. :banghead:
I'd failed to notice that because the script on each side was identical the ends of the stripes needed to slope the opposite way round, and that required some slicing and cutting of the spare stripes to correct them.
Not only that, but the cockpit window decal, which I used from the kit decal sheet, didn't actually fit! I had to cut it in half on the centre line and arrange each side separately.
And to cap it all, the more observant of you will notice the lack of a shamrock on the fin on the starboard side. Even though I printed a spare shamrock neither of them were dense enough, yet they were copied from the port side one. I'll print another couple and see if they work ok.
But progress is being made anyway.
(https://imageshack.com/a/img922/396/LI2JJU.jpg)
Looks badass! :mellow: :mellow: :mellow:
:o
impressive
Could you apply the two shamrocks on top of each other to get one decal with good coverage?
I had a decal like that on a Tu-114: for the Soviet flag, they supplied a white flag underneath to get the red to show up correctly.
Quote from: Hobbes on October 21, 2018, 10:10:11 AM
Could you apply the two shamrocks on top of each other to get one decal with good coverage?
I tried exactly that Harro, but the top one stuck to the bottom one WELL out of register and I just couldn't part them.
Luckily I have four sheets of Aer Turas decals from other kits and they all have the same size shamrocks, so it should be OK later on this evening.
Are you sure it will have enough power? I had suddenly the idea that 2 additional rear engines would help.
The Series 70s were well overpowered with 4 x CFM56s, and the Super Stretch 80s were only 9 ft longer than the Super 60s/70s. ;)
I was going to paint the engines this evening, but...............
Looking through the RW pics of the -70s Series aircraft reminded me that the CFM-56 engines have these socking great strakes, two per engine, which are not supplied with the kit. Or indeed on any CFM-56 engine kits AFAIK.
(https://imageshack.com/a/img924/677/sKGnnb.jpg)
You can see them there at the 2 o'clock and 10 o'clock positions on each cowling, and I remembered that I had some of them, done in pre-cut etched brass by a company called Fotocut who were around on the 1/144 airliner market maybe 20-30 years ago, so I went for a prowl up in The Loft.
(https://imageshack.com/a/img921/4900/3aw9mE.jpg)
And this is what I found. :thumbsup: ;D The eight smaller strakes are the ones I wanted, but the other goodies are handy too. There's various wing fences and strakes for all sorts of aircraft, but this is the only complete set I have so I'll scan it so I can reproduce them in styrene for future use.
(https://imageshack.com/a/img921/223/5Q4eJc.jpg)
Here's the first set superglued to an engine, only another six to glue on..........
Nice find! I remember the strakes on engine cowlings now that you mention it. Ones I remember weren't that big but that was on different aircraft. Looks good.
I'd love to have a rummage in your loft Kit. It seems to be a cross between a Tardis and Mary Poppins bag.
A modelling cornucopia if you will...
;D
Quote from: zenrat on October 26, 2018, 12:38:02 AM
I'd love to have a rummage in your loft Kit. It seems to be a cross between a Tardis and Mary Poppins bag.
A modelling cornucopia if you will...
That describes it pretty well Fred, yes. ;D
One reason why we bought this house was the size of the loft, and it doesn't have those pesky A frame struts either so there's standing room across a 15-20 ft width of it.
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 26, 2018, 02:02:49 AM
Quote from: zenrat on October 26, 2018, 12:38:02 AM
I'd love to have a rummage in your loft Kit. It seems to be a cross between a Tardis and Mary Poppins bag.
A modelling cornucopia if you will...
That describes it pretty well Fred, yes. ;D
One reason why we bought this house was the size of the loft, and it doesn't have those pesky A frame struts either so there's standing room across a 15-20 ft width of it.
You can't even crawl through mine.
When installing the ducted heating the apprentice got stuck up there. We still have to pass him up food 3 times a week...
:o
Quote from: zenrat on October 26, 2018, 02:36:23 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 26, 2018, 02:02:49 AM
Quote from: zenrat on October 26, 2018, 12:38:02 AM
I'd love to have a rummage in your loft Kit. It seems to be a cross between a Tardis and Mary Poppins bag.
A modelling cornucopia if you will...
That describes it pretty well Fred, yes. ;D
One reason why we bought this house was the size of the loft, and it doesn't have those pesky A frame struts either so there's standing room across a 15-20 ft width of it.
You can't even crawl through mine.
When installing the ducted heating the apprentice got stuck up there. We still have to pass him up food 3 times a week...
:o
By now he should have slimmed enough to be able to crawl out. ;D
Lots of single bristle brush work this evening painting the engines after re-priming and spraying them all-over white. There's all sorts of different metallic coloured areas on the exhausts and the pylons, and I'm not sure I'll be up for doing them all. This is 1/144 scale after all......
There's also a little bit of small brush work to do around the tail and nose but it's coming together nicely.
Looks like it's the landing gear next, NOT may fave part of modelling. :banghead:
Painting the engines hasn't gone as well as I'd hoped. The upper surfaces just in front of the pylons and between the etched strakes look like ploughed fields they're so rough. :banghead:
I think I'll have to find a narrow sanding stick, sand those bits down and then mask up and re-spray them, darn it. A few more decals to go on the underside of the fuselage first, plus the other shamrock of course.
I've finished all the fiddly little decals on the fuselage and wings now, and done the starboard side shamrock too.
(https://imageshack.com/a/img923/1747/IzMv7b.jpg)
Got to finish those pesky engines and do the landing gear now and it'll be done. Just in time for Telford I hope.
Hell yeah, that looks great! :wub:
It's coming on quite well Brad, but the forward fuselage joint isn't all that wonderful. It looks OK in pics but in the real world it's a bit scrappy. Nothing I can do about it right now though, so it'll stay like that for Telford, and I may have at it afterward.
I never do like masking jobs at the best of times, and on 1/144 stuff it's worse, but on 1/144 engines it's a REAL pain! :banghead:
Hopefully this is the last masking job on this build though.
(https://imageshack.com/a/img924/3528/cuYixh.jpg)
Your fuselage join sounds like a couple of the cargo doors on my BAC-111. Ever so slight... enough to see upon close inspection but seem to go away in pictures and at adequate distances.
Masking looks good. Looks very familiar, in fact. ;D I don't see any gaps but then again I've missed my own even staring right at them. Hopefully the second round will be triumphant and the whole plowed field stuff goes away.. Sucks having to go backwards in a build but you're already well on your way back to being caught up.
The engine smoothing and repainting seems to have gone off OK. The upper surfaces are much smoother now but the nacelles will need another coat of paint before they're done.
I've also forgotten that I'll need one more masking session on the engines in order to do the silver edges to the intakes, never a simple job as the curvature there is so sharp. The tape needs laying on however it will lie, and then the mask line cut with the inevitable new scalpel blade.
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 28, 2018, 02:09:48 PM
I think I'll have to find a narrow sanding stick,
I make my own Kit.
I use the double sided masking tape sold in £Store which comes in a pack with a load of very useful double sided sticky tabs. The tape and tabs have a "spongy" middle which actually helps when sanding. I then fix some of the tape to a wooden coffee stirrer (from Costa's :angel:) or a cocktail stick and then attach some emery paper of whatever grade I want to the other side. I've got loads pre-made of various grades (all marked on the handle) and various widths, down to 2mm. Only downside is that you can't wet sand, the tape doesn't like it. Damp sanding is fine but not wet sanding.
One of the most used tools on my bench.
I use the tabs attached to clothes pegs to hold smaller parts whilst I'm painting them.
Good idea there Chris, thanks. :thumbsup:
I use oodles of clothes pegs to hold stuff that's being painted too, the engines each had a two peg jig to ensure they stayed off the ground while drying.
Gonna have to hit the dolla sto'. ;D
OK, that's the engine's done and dusted. Here's one of them with the intake LE strip drying out, held securely in one of Kit's Krazy Klothes Peg Klamps. ;D
No point in showing the others, they all look the same.
(https://imageshack.com/a/img923/3716/JqPR7l.jpg)
Sorry the pic looks a tad weird, I'm still getting used to my new small camera.
I've just started painting the wheels and gear struts. The fundamental problem with 1/144 airliner kits is that there's ZILLIONS of wheels and they're TINY! :banghead:
Now we're getting somewhere, it's starting to look like an aeroplane, but a looooong one. ;D
(https://imageshack.com/a/img921/2821/mSGRK3.jpg)
:wub: Nice! (even if I preferred the asymmetric half version) ;D ;)
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 29, 2018, 09:29:54 AM
I use oodles of clothes pegs to hold stuff that's being painted too, the engines each had a two peg jig to ensure they stayed off the ground while drying.
I got some really small ones from a trendy ideas shop type place for small bits and bobs.
If you'd like me to bring you some of that tape up to SMW let me know. As I said the fact it is "padded" gives it the advantage over normal double sided stuff
Thanks for the offer Chris. :thumbsup:
I'll have a look around my local £ stores and see what they have, and if there's no chance I'll get back to you.
I was in the £ Store this morning Kit so I picked one up just in case. Can always be added to my pile.
Good man, thanks. :thumbsup:
Zero luck here so far, but I've yet to try Gloucester itself.
Lovely paint and decal work, Kit! Looking forward to the grande finale :thumbsup:
Best regards,
Kem
I'm getting there Kem, just all those STUPIDLY small wheels are driving me nuts.
It's the 'single bristle brush' syndrome again. :banghead: :banghead:
I just found something I'd forgotten before. :banghead:
The inboard CFM-56 engines have long, 15 mm, thin extensions leading back from their pylons right up to the flap hinge lines, but they are so fragile they both snapped off early in the build. I had one of them but the other went into orbit, and now I've had to replace them.
Filing a half round shape onto a piece of styrene that's only 1mm square is not one of my strong points, but as it now is good enough for Government work........
Meanwhile the wheel painting goes on, and on, and on, and on...........
I'm all for scale fidelity, but in some cases the manufacturers can go to far, especially in 1/144 scale!
My particular gripe at this time is landing gear axle sizes, they really should be thick enough to support the weight of the model, including the nose weight, which is quite hefty in some cases. Almost every Canberra suffers because it needs LOTS of nose weight and the wheels are cantilevered off some quite flimsy axles, ditto the 1/72 TSR2 and that damned 1/72 Revell A-400M that I built last year.
And now this DC8, the axles of which are around 1mm in dia. and once you've applied the glue to hold the wheels on the action of the glue softens the axles and they go all floppy! They really should be glued with superglue, but even then they'd be pretty small.
Right now the main and nose gears of the Super Stretch are drying while supported by BluTak jigs to ensure the wheels are actually perpendicular to the ground! This will be my second attempt at this assembly. :banghead: :banghead:
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 04, 2018, 04:51:58 AM
to ensure the wheels are actually perpendicular to the ground!
No need! Wheels on a whif plane may be oblique to the ground, this is more dreamy! ;D ;)
;D ;D
Quote from: Tophe on November 04, 2018, 06:10:09 AM
No need! Wheels on a whif plane may be oblique to the ground, this is more dreamy! ;D ;)
Yeah, right, but I have my limits.............
Quote from: NARSES2 on October 30, 2018, 01:18:23 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 29, 2018, 09:29:54 AM
I use oodles of clothes pegs to hold stuff that's being painted.
I got some really small ones from a trendy ideas shop type place for small bits and bobs.
The Paperchase chain (they've a shop in Worcester Madame R dragged me into last week) has packs of 30 tiny clothes pegs for £2. Madame R hangs up ribbons over the living room door at Christmas and cards are clothes pegged to them..........but guess where some of the pegs will end up by mid January!
Quote from: Rheged on November 04, 2018, 07:19:25 AM
Madame R hangs up ribbons over the living room door at Christmas and cards are clothes pegged to them..........but guess where some of the pegs will end up by mid January!
Well of course, they'd be much better performing a useful function rather than cluttering up the 'Useful Things' box for almost a whole year. ;D ;)
The 2nd cementing of the landing gear didn't work either, so the wheels are still wobbling. :banghead: :banghead:
Fed up with this never ending task I dripped superglue over the assembled joints from above, and that should be that.
I'll be able to keep a close eye on progress as one of the main gear legs is now superglued to my trouser leg.......... :o
The landing gear is on the Super Stretch at last, but inly the basic bits. There's some struts and doors and the landing lights to go on the nose wheel too, but they'll wait till the glue has dried.
(https://imageshack.com/a/img922/3312/5sip1M.jpg)
The more observant of you will notice that one of the wheels is missing, yes, the blasted thing just snapped off while I was gluing the leg in place! :banghead: :banghead:
It'll be superglued on later on but I think the Calder 8 will be treated to some SAC while metal legs and they're bound to be stronger.
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 04, 2018, 06:24:07 AM
Quote from: Tophe on November 04, 2018, 06:10:09 AM
No need! Wheels on a whif plane may be oblique to the ground, this is more dreamy! ;D ;)
Yeah, right, but I have my limits.............
I thought of an asymmetric craziness:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2Fdc8-asymmetric_Wheels.jpg&hash=5121ecf4b7a224affc79a7e309d724a0c37d3b9c)
But I love your 4+3 asymmetry too! :thumbsup: :wub:
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 25, 2018, 03:48:55 PM
I was going to paint the engines this evening, but...............
Looking through the RW pics of the -70s Series aircraft reminded me that the CFM-56 engines have these socking great strakes, two per engine, which are not supplied with the kit. Or indeed on any CFM-56 engine kits AFAIK.
The strakes are included with the Revell Airbus 321. Smaller than the ones you found though.
Quote from: Hobbes on November 04, 2018, 10:49:21 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 25, 2018, 03:48:55 PM
I was going to paint the engines this evening, but...............
Looking through the RW pics of the -70s Series aircraft reminded me that the CFM-56 engines have these socking great strakes, two per engine, which are not supplied with the kit. Or indeed on any CFM-56 engine kits AFAIK.
The strakes are included with the Revell Airbus 321. Smaller than the ones you found though.
I suspect the size of the strakes has something to do with the rest of the airframe, and how well they produce the required vortices. The ones on that DC8-73 in the pic I posted are pretty huge, and agree with most other pics of them on DC8s that I could find.
Interestingly the CFM-56 fitted Boeing 707s seem to have much smaller and tri-angular strakes on their engines and the USAF's KC-135Rs don't have strakes at all! :o
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 04, 2018, 12:15:46 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on November 04, 2018, 10:49:21 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 25, 2018, 03:48:55 PM
I was going to paint the engines this evening, but...............
Looking through the RW pics of the -70s Series aircraft reminded me that the CFM-56 engines have these socking great strakes, two per engine, which are not supplied with the kit. Or indeed on any CFM-56 engine kits AFAIK.
The strakes are included with the Revell Airbus 321. Smaller than the ones you found though.
I suspect the size of the strakes has something to do with the rest of the airframe, and how well they produce the required vortices. The ones on that DC8-73 in the pic I posted are pretty huge, and agree with most other pics of them on DC8s that I could find.
Interestingly the CFM-56 fitted Boeing 707s seem to have much smaller and tri-angular strakes on their engines and the USAF's KC-135Rs don't have strakes at all! :o
The Airfix E-4 AWAC has the strakes on the inner side of the inner engines, only they're quite long. You can just make them out in this photo.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvillage.photos%2Fimages%2Fuser%2F8f3973c9-3f0e-4b54-80e2-017121c0bf9f%2F7c6cd716-2949-4999-8153-14a0275f1e0d.jpg&hash=9cd824a8f1c7435b25839fb29ba4690324f4bfbf)
Weirder and weirder........... :o
Well, it's done at last, or as done as I can manage anyway. The landing gear doors and stuff are attached, minus the forward nosewheel doors that keep falling into the gear bay. But a) you can't see them from above and b) I'm working on a strut thingie to keep it at the correct height later on.
It's meant to have landing light and nav light lenses but they're so small I can't see which way they're meant to fit so I've used PVA glue for the lenses instead.
(https://imageshack.com/a/img924/7375/XWnDl7.jpg)
(https://imageshack.com/a/img921/7852/iIxEsm.jpg)
That's bloody marvelous Kit :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Beautiful job on that, Kit. Must be an absolute bear to land though, with as shallow as she would need land.
That is amazing!!!
The paint on the wings is especially awesome! :wub: :thumbsup:
Glad you all like it, thanks.
Actually there's hardly any wing paint Mr. Kerick, it's Halford's Ford Stratos silver all over, with the details added with decals. ;)
Fab :thumbsup:
Beautiful. The last photos show a strange effect, the wings appear to have orange leading or trailing edges, must be the red cloth you posed it on.
Most glorious!!! :lol:
Quote from: loupgarou on November 05, 2018, 12:23:44 AM
Beautiful. The last photos show a strange effect, the wings appear to have orange leading or trailing edges, must be the red cloth you posed it on.
It's my new camera, it does weird things to colours if I take the pics at too close a range for some reason. It's very handy, but not as consistent as my big Pentax DSLR.
Utterly FANTASTIC!
Really has worked out well Kit :thumbsup:
Lovely - I wonder if it has an extra tail wheel like the Il-62? Just in case... ;)
So many superlatives being bandied about. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on November 05, 2018, 07:48:30 AM
Lovely - I wonder if it has an extra tail wheel like the Il-62? Just in case... ;)
;D The 'standard' Stretch 8s, the -61s and -63s, as well as the later -71s and 73s, had a tail bumper, which is included in the kit. The shorter -62s and -72s didn't use it, so I've left it off my Calder 8 model.
Naturally the Super Stretch has a heavy duty tail bumper........... ;D ;)
That looks magnificent! :thumbsup:
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 05, 2018, 10:03:11 AM
Naturally the Super Stretch has a heavy duty tail bumper........... ;D ;)
Made from Unobtanium I bet....
Gondor
another top notch job Kit :thumbsup:
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 05, 2018, 10:03:11 AM
Naturally the Super Stretch has a heavy duty tail bumper........... ;D ;)
You'd need it if you seated the rear passengers first.
Nice one Kit - very smart paint job! :thumbsup:
Quote from: zenrat on November 05, 2018, 04:17:42 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 05, 2018, 10:03:11 AM
Naturally the Super Stretch has a heavy duty tail bumper........... ;D ;)
You'd need it if you seated the rear passengers first.
Aer Turas never actually carried passengers as such, they were an all cargo airline.
Mind you, their main 'cargo' were race horses so perhaps they WERE 'passengers' after all. ;D ;)
I don't want to even think about the wing-loading on that thing but it looks great, Kit! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Old Wombat on November 06, 2018, 01:29:44 AM
I don't want to even think about the wing-loading on that thing but it looks great, Kit! :thumbsup:
Hehehehe, it always amazed me that Douglas used the same wing on the long Series 61s and 63s as on the shorter Series 62s. But if it's good enough for them............... ;D
That is a cracking job! :thumbsup:
Was kinda wondering, what started out as something that looked like a half a broom handle.... ;D
It just looks 'right'.
Fantastic job on the paint and decals.
(Still cant see the joins! ;D)
Quote from: Tophe on November 04, 2018, 10:42:32 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 04, 2018, 06:24:07 AM
Quote from: Tophe on November 04, 2018, 06:10:09 AM
No need! Wheels on a whif plane may be oblique to the ground, this is more dreamy! ;D ;)
Yeah, right, but I have my limits.............
I thought of an asymmetric craziness:
(...)
But I love your 4+3 asymmetry too! :thumbsup: :wub:
Your brand new asymmetry is now part of the History (of asymmetric aircraft), see at the (temporary) end of my site http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Asymm_addition.htm
Thanks! :bow:
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 05, 2018, 10:19:21 PM
Quote from: zenrat on November 05, 2018, 04:17:42 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 05, 2018, 10:03:11 AM
Naturally the Super Stretch has a heavy duty tail bumper........... ;D ;)
You'd need it if you seated the rear passengers first.
Aer Turas never actually carried passengers as such, they were an all cargo airline.
Mind you, their main 'cargo' were race horses so perhaps they WERE 'passengers' after all. ;D ;)
Did they just transport horses or race them from one end of the fuselage to the other!
Check this out..... if they're up around Mach .98 or whatever in the SSDC-8 and the horces race from front to back and acheive 25mph that would mean we have super sonic horses!! ;D
This poses an interesting question about the speed of sound.. I know it's relative to certain factors and but if you're in a plane going Mach .99999 and a MLB pitcher throws a ball at 100 MPH from the rear of the aircraft to the front, would it not be in excess of the speed of sound? Does it make a sonic boom? (I doubt it and the answer would be "no", but it's fun to think about!) I'm thinkin that it's all relative. The speed of the ball relative to the air inside the plane is only 100MPH so doesn't do anything, yet, "technically" we have a super sonic pitch. ;D
Quote from: TheChronicOne on November 07, 2018, 02:50:02 AM
Check this out..... if they're up around Mach .98 or whatever in the SSDC-8 and the horces race from front to back and acheive 25mph that would mean we have super sonic horses!! ;D
This poses an interesting question about the speed of sound.. I know it's relative to certain factors and but if you're in a plane going Mach .99999 and a MLB pitcher throws a ball at 100 MPH from the rear of the aircraft to the front, would it not be in excess of the speed of sound? Does it make a sonic boom? (I doubt it and the answer would be "no", but it's fun to think about!) I'm thinkin that it's all relative. The speed of the ball relative to the air inside the plane is only 100MPH so doesn't do anything, yet, "technically" we have a super sonic pitch. ;D
Thinking about relativity always makes my head hurt.
Dealing with relatives always makes my head hurt. Oh wait... ;D
Speaking of relatives and other humans, I wonder how many -people- have gone to the back of a plane at just below mach 1, and ran to the front to say they ran faster than the speed of sound! Insane Bolt ain't got nothin' on that!
What's really weird is having someone throw a ball while the aircraft is in a turn. The ball will go straight but will appear to curve in the opposite direction of the aircraft. IIRC I saw this on a video made on board NASA's vomit comet or something like that. Its been a while.
I think that Kit's signature line should read :
"Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage."
Quote from: JayBee on November 07, 2018, 11:20:45 AM
I think that Kit's signature line should read :
"Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage."
Oh all right then, as you insist. ;D
Ah, there we go!! I agree with you both. :wub:
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 07, 2018, 12:50:25 PM
Quote from: JayBee on November 07, 2018, 11:20:45 AM
I think that Kit's signature line should read :
"Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage."
Oh all right then, as you insist. ;D
there remains one dimension to explore
Quote from: ericr on November 08, 2018, 03:06:18 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 07, 2018, 12:50:25 PM
Quote from: JayBee on November 07, 2018, 11:20:45 AM
I think that Kit's signature line should read :
"Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage."
Oh all right then, as you insist. ;D
there remains one dimension to explore
If you mean height, I've sort of done that too............... ;D
(https://imageshack.com/a/img922/378/KpONwS.jpg)
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 08, 2018, 03:25:31 AM
Quote from: ericr on November 08, 2018, 03:06:18 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 07, 2018, 12:50:25 PM
Quote from: JayBee on November 07, 2018, 11:20:45 AM
I think that Kit's signature line should read :
"Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage."
Oh all right then, as you insist. ;D
there remains one dimension to explore
If you mean height, I've sort of done that too............... ;D
:o :o :o ;D ;D :thumbsup:
I'm back from a work trip to Singapore and just catching up... first stop... to see this marvellous beast! Beautiful work!
Before the Super Stretch 8 even got on the table at Telford I TROD on it!!!! :banghead: :banghead:
The entire nosewheel assembly was scattered to the four winds, and there's no way I can repair it, but tomorrow I'll look for an SAC white metal set and see if that'll sort it.
D'oh!
Looking on the brightside, that frees up space on the Whiff table for another 17 normal sized builds... ;D
Definitely a "d'oh" moment. And I know I've done that with canopies...
Oh no!!!!! Fix your baby soon! Can't be hauling cargo sitting in the hangar. :lol:
What a shame! I hope you'll manage to replace the landing gear.
At least it was just the nose gear and not the whole front end! Fixable, even though annoying.
Much sympathy, Kit. These problems are sent to try us, and usually succeed in their task! Noting the regularity with which model u/c s collapse, I'm slightly surprised that it doesn't happen more often at 1:1 scale too!
The only 1/144 scale nose gear set at the whole show was one for a C-141, so the Super Stretch made its public debut resting on s chunk of foam!
I'll see if I can get a proper set soon.
The Dc-8 did have a problem with the length of the u/c.
Many, many years ago one of my friends had a summer job as a baggage handler at Prestwick airport, he said that the only real difference between the Boeing 707 and the Dc-8, was that you could walk under a 707 fuselage OK. Forget to duck with a Dc-8 and you would end up with a sore head. :rolleyes:
Jim
That's rather odd because I always understood that the reason Boeing didn't stretch the 707, as Douglas did with the DC8, was because the landing gear was too short to let it rotate enough on take-off.