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Title: Twin boom transports and airliners
Post by: nev on December 16, 2004, 10:03:06 AM
Hey guys, I have an idea for Garys "Tophe" build, but I was wondering what twin boom transports and airliners there have been through history, and what kits there might be available for them.

Thanks

Nev
Title: Twin boom transports and airliners
Post by: Jschmus on December 16, 2004, 10:06:14 AM
I'm not sure about airliners, but there are five twin-boom transports that I can think of.  There's the Fairchild C-82 Packet, and the follow-on C-119 Flying Boxcar, the Nord Noratlas, the Armstrong-Whitworth Argosy and the IAI Arava.  There might be more, but those are all I can think of.
Title: Twin boom transports and airliners
Post by: Robin on December 16, 2004, 11:14:33 AM

How about the Gotha Go244. on its way to the ugly bug ball.

Robin.
Title: Twin boom transports and airliners
Post by: Ollie on December 16, 2004, 11:18:27 AM
Sukhoi S-80!

:wub:  
Title: Twin boom transports and airliners
Post by: elmayerle on December 16, 2004, 11:38:54 AM
If you've been to Tophe's MSN group, a rather obvious subject is the original Comet design which resembles a much enlarged Vampire.
Title: Twin boom transports and airliners
Post by: Mairfrog on December 16, 2004, 11:48:07 AM
Real aeroplanes? Pah, I mock the notion.  :P

Who's up for a twin Beverley?  B)

A big fat fuselage pod with twin passenger carrying booms. Give it about six Centaurus or four big turboprops and you'd have a bifuricated leviathan that'd scare the pants off Fairchild.  :D

All we need is an affordable Beverley kit.  :unsure:
Title: Twin boom transports and airliners
Post by: The Rat on December 16, 2004, 12:18:40 PM
I read somewhere recently that there were actual discussions at Saunders Roe about a twin-hulled Princess.

Now there's a wee project.  :o  
Title: Twin boom transports and airliners
Post by: Captain Canada on December 16, 2004, 02:44:24 PM
Heller do the Nord Noratlas, don't they ?

Title: Twin boom transports and airliners
Post by: Scooterman on December 16, 2004, 03:10:21 PM
QuoteHeller do the Nord Noratlas, don't they ?
Yep.  Decent kit too IIRC but fitting the booms (like all twin-boom kits) was not fun.

Built a Israeli machine for commission once........
Title: Twin boom transports and airliners
Post by: nev on December 17, 2004, 04:24:52 AM
Thanks guys.  I may have to get me one of these.  Only 12 quid at Hannants :)

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpics.hannants.co.uk%2Fpics%2FHE80374.jpg&hash=2e32753fc1c185770ef078f4c0f501f1b73eb6f4)
Title: Twin boom transports and airliners
Post by: Tophe on December 28, 2004, 11:16:58 PM
Uh, I just come here as I stay on the picture forum only almost always. I will check and answer someday, please wait awhile, I must go to work... Thanks!
Title: Twin boom transports and airliners
Post by: Tophe on December 29, 2004, 10:58:11 AM
QuoteI will check and answer
Well, I don't know what answer you are looking for.
* Among mass-produced transport, you are right: C-82/119, Argosy, Arava, Go242/244, Noratlas, and I would add maybe the Ki-105 Ohtori, ordered in 300 copies (but 9 only were built) – see http://www.airwar.ru/enc/cww2/ki105.html (http://www.airwar.ru/enc/cww2/ki105.html)  - and the forefathers Caproni, tranformed from bombers into transport (for up to 30 passengers).
* Among prototypes like Ollie's S.80, there are several dozens, and our dear Canadian team of enthusiasts should celebrate the CanCar-Burnelli Loadmaster, at least...
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eu.aircrash.org%2Fburnelli%2Fimages%2Fcby3_v0.jpg&hash=542eab24e00d6423cdc28e561ee61e4f41771ef7)Google on CBY-3 (http://images.google.fr/images?hl=fr&lr=&q=+site:www.aircrash.org+CBY-3)
* Among industrial projects like the Twin-Princess and twin-boom Comet, there are hundreds. The Airbus A380 preliminary project was twin-fuselage, this might have becomen standard, seriously.
* Among enthusiast dreams like Mairfrog's Twin-Beverley and my Twin-boom-Dakota, there are thousands...
Title: Twin boom transports and airliners
Post by: nev on December 29, 2004, 01:59:33 PM
Thanks Tophe  B)

So my choices (available in kit form) are

Noratlas (Heller, 1/72)

C-119 (Italeri, 1/72 but OOP I believe)

Argosy (Welsh Models, 1/144, Vacform!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Title: Twin boom transports and airliners
Post by: Captain Canada on December 29, 2004, 02:48:04 PM
Didn't they propose a wee transport variant out of the OV-10 Bronco ? That would be kind of neat !

:P  
Title: Twin boom transports and airliners
Post by: Tophe on December 29, 2004, 08:52:04 PM
QuoteDidn't they propose a wee transport variant out of the OV-10 Bronco ?
Captain: North Am proposed it, yes :) , but no kit manufactucter did, I fear :( ...

Nev: I had a Italeri box of Go242/244 1/72 somewhere... and there has been C-82 (with C-119) 1/72 at Airmodel and Cruver, Argosy 1/72 at AVF and Modelmasters. Maybe using a time machine we could get them (and modelism is a time machine somehow :) )
Title: Twin boom transports and airliners
Post by: nev on December 30, 2004, 01:16:23 AM
Just a question Tophe, do you class the Osprey as a twin boomer?
Title: Twin boom transports and airliners
Post by: Tophe on December 30, 2004, 09:24:45 AM
QuoteJust a question Tophe, do you class the Osprey as a twin boomer?
Just an answer, Nev: two fins are not enough for me (Osprey, Bf110...). I have read that boom is the Dutch word for beam, and I need 2 beams holding the fins. Well, maybe there are 2 spars inside the tailplane, and nothing is simple, I agree. :(  :)  
Title: Twin boom transports and airliners
Post by: nev on December 30, 2004, 10:53:43 AM
Thats a no then?  :wacko:

I was thinking more along the lines of it having twin podded engines on the wingtips therefore possibly classing it as a twin-boomer.
Title: Twin boom transports and airliners
Post by: John Howling Mouse on December 30, 2004, 11:13:48 AM
QuoteThats a no then?  :wacko:

I was thinking more along the lines of it having twin podded engines on the wingtips therefore possibly classing it as a twin-boomer.
OOOOOOO, Nev's given me an idea for a potential hatchet-job on my little 1:72 Italeri V-22....!!

;)  
Title: Twin boom transports and airliners
Post by: Tophe on December 30, 2004, 08:48:29 PM
QuoteI was thinking more along the lines of it having twin podded engines on the wingtips therefore possibly classing it as a twin-boomer.
Uh :huh: ? Do you mean a pod can be classified as a boom? Take the famous P-38: 2 booms+1pod, would you classify it as triplex-boom? :(
If you elongate the Osprey engines they will still be pods, all would change if you add fins or tailplanes, according to me, and this is not crazy: see the new Rutan space-ship 1 - with a variable incidence wing driving booms and tails with it... :)  
Title: Twin boom transports and airliners
Post by: dragon on December 30, 2004, 09:14:51 PM
I just wish someone would make an IAI 201 ARAVA in 1/72 scale.  I would buy it!
Title: Twin boom transports and airliners
Post by: Tophe on December 31, 2004, 03:46:54 AM
QuoteI just wish someone would make an IAI ARAVA in 1/72 scale.
O'Neill Vacuform seems to have made one, once, somewhere (according to the 1/72nd encyclopaedia) :huh:  
Title: Twin boom transports and airliners
Post by: elmayerle on December 31, 2004, 10:52:20 PM
QuoteDidn't they propose a wee transport variant out of the OV-10 Bronco ? That would be kind of neat !

:P
*chuckle* They did indeed.  Considering that Rockwell also owned Aero Commander at that time, I keep wondering if there are any Aero Commander kits in 1/72, I suspect that'd make a great starting place.  If not, I'll just have to do my own drawings and get familiar, after a long time away, with scratchbuilding again.  Actually, I really want to do one of those in 1/48 and use the decals from the old Hawk "metalplate" OV-10 kit.