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Title: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 08, 2018, 11:51:24 PM
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1:72 Fokker D.XX; aircraft '81' of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops) 2nd Eskadrille; Værløse (Sjælland, Denmark), summer 1938 (Whif/kitbashing) (https://flic.kr/p/23gU5QE) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr




Some background:
The Fokker D.XX fighter was designed in 1935 by Dutch aircraft manufacturer Fokker as a conservative export alternative to the D.XXI monoplane. The latter had been developed in response to requirements laid out by the Royal Netherlands East Indies Army Air Force (Militaire Luchtvaart van het Koninklijk Nederlands-Indisch Leger, ML-KNIL), but Fokker saw a good deal of market potential for the aircraft in Europe, too, but was afraid that many smaller European air forces still preferred conservative biplane designs.

As a consequence, the D.XX was developed in parallel to the D.XXI and both aircraft shared many components, primarily the fuselage and the tail section. Like its D.XXI stablemate the D.XX biplane was designed as an inexpensive, rugged, and compact fighter aircraft that would possess respectable performance for its era.

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1:72 Fokker D.XX; aircraft '81' of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops) 2nd Eskadrille; Værløse (Sjælland, Denmark), summer 1938 (Whif/kitbashing) (https://flic.kr/p/23gU5Z7) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

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1:72 Fokker D.XX; aircraft '81' of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops) 2nd Eskadrille; Værløse (Sjælland, Denmark), summer 1938 (Whif/kitbashing) (https://flic.kr/p/FbPwH5) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr


Following standard Fokker design practice of the period, the D.XX featured a welded steel tube fuselage that was largely covered by fabric, including the flight control surfaces, but elements forward of the trailing edges of the wings were covered by detachable aluminum panels instead. The wings were of a wooden construction, being composed of two box spars attached to ribs made of plywood, and covered by fabric, too. The aircraft was outfitted with a fixed, spatted undercarriage with cantilever legs, and braking was provided by independently-operated pedals using compressed air.

The cockpit of the D.XXI was fully enclosed by a plexiglas hood featuring large sliding sections. The canopy was entirely jettisonable in an emergency situation to enable pilots to bail out. Pilots were protected against turnover injuries by means of a pylon built into the structure of the aircraft set behind the seat. Fuel was housed in a 77-gallon tank located aft of the engine, and an auxiliary fuel tank could also be installed behind the pilot seat.

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1:72 Fokker D.XX; aircraft '81' of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops) 2nd Eskadrille; Værløse (Sjælland, Denmark), summer 1938 (Whif/kitbashing) (https://flic.kr/p/23gU4W5) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

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1:72 Fokker D.XX; aircraft '81' of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops) 2nd Eskadrille; Værløse (Sjælland, Denmark), summer 1938 (Whif/kitbashing) (https://flic.kr/p/21Xjgzc) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr


Main armament consisted of two pairs of 7.92mm M36 FN-Browning machine guns, two being housed within the forward fuselage above the engine, requiring the latter to be synchronized in order to shoot through the propeller blades, and another pair was carried in fairings under the lower wings, outside of the propeller arc.

Initially, the Fokker D.XX was powered by the 830 h.p. Bristol Mercury VII or VIII engines, but for export customers a number of alternative engines were considered, too. These included such power plants as the 650 h.p. Rolls-Royce Kestrel V and the 750 h.p. Pratt and Whitney Twin Wasp Junior. There were even plans to mount the 1,050 h.p. Rolls-Royce Merlin and the 1,090 h.p. Daimler-Benz DB 600H, both coupled with a radiator installation under the fuselage.

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1:72 Fokker D.XX; aircraft '81' of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops) 2nd Eskadrille; Værløse (Sjælland, Denmark), summer 1938 (Whif/kitbashing) (https://flic.kr/p/23gU5HL) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

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1:72 Fokker D.XX; aircraft '81' of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops) 2nd Eskadrille; Værløse (Sjælland, Denmark), summer 1938 (Whif/kitbashing) (https://flic.kr/p/23gU5B3) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr


However, interest in the Fokker D.XX was low, since the monoplane promised much superior performance and future development potential. Compared with the Fokker D.XXI, the D.XX lacked top speed and acceleration, but it had, thanks to its much bigger wing area, a better rate of climb and was the superior dogfight aircraft.

Anyway, with the D.XXI as direct in-house competitor and very similar aircraft like the Gloster Gladiator on the market, Fokker's last biplane aircraft was not a success. A major contract with Sweden for an initial batch of 30 aircraft and rights for further license production did not materialize. Other prospects, e. g. Lithuania, Latvia, Greece, Egypt and Yugoslavia, settled upon aircraft of British production, and in the end only Norway and Denmark bought the biplane fighter.
Total production, including two prototypes and three pre-production aircraft, only reached a mere 46 machines, and none of them survived the first months of the 2nd World War.

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1:72 Fokker D.XX; aircraft '81' of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops) 2nd Eskadrille; Værløse (Sjælland, Denmark), summer 1938 (Whif/kitbashing) (https://flic.kr/p/23gU4CE) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

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1:72 Fokker D.XX; aircraft '81' of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops) 2nd Eskadrille; Værløse (Sjælland, Denmark), summer 1938 (Whif/kitbashing) (https://flic.kr/p/23gU4QJ) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

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1:72 Fokker D.XX; aircraft '81' of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops) 2nd Eskadrille; Værløse (Sjælland, Denmark), summer 1938 (Whif/kitbashing) (https://flic.kr/p/23gU5vm) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr





General characteristics (Danish version):
    Crew: one
    Length: 8.2 m (26 ft 11 in)
    Wingspan: 10.6 m (34 ft 8 ½ in)
    Height: 2.92 m (9 ft 7 in)
    Wing area: 28m² (300 sq ft)
    Empty weight: 1,594 kg (3,514 lb)
    Loaded weight: 4,594 lb (2,088 kg)

Powerplant:
    1 × Bristol Mercury VIII 9-cyl. air-cooled radial piston engine, 620 kW (830 hp)

Performance:
    Maximum speed: 253 mph (220 knots, 407 km/h) at 14,500 ft (4,400 m)
    Cruise speed: 338 km/h (210 mph; 186 kn)
    Stall speed: 85 km/h (53 mph; 46 knots)
    Range: 930 km (578 mi; 502 nmi)
    Endurance: 2 hours
    Service ceiling: 11,350 m (37,240 ft)
    Rate of climb: 11.7 m/s (2,300 ft/min)
    Climb to 10,000 ft (3,050 m): 4.75 min
    Power/mass: 0.309 kW/kg (0.188 hp/lb)

Armament:
    4× 8 mm (0.315 in) machine guns with 500 RPG in the fuselage and 300 RPG under the lower wings





The kit and its assembly:
I had found the spare wings from a Gloster Gladiator in my donor bank, and wondered what I could do with them - and eventually stumbled upon a PM Model Fokker D.XXI. Why not retrograde this early monoplane fighter into a biplane, with relatively modern features?

Said and done, and the respective conversion/kitbashing was a rather straightforward affair, even though not without some challenges.
The biggest issue became the lower wings: the Gladiator wings are much thinner and have less depth than the original Fokker wings, so that much of the wing roots on the fuselage had to be sanded away. This resulted in gaping openings, which had to be filled, including a resculpted trailing edge intersection. Not a complicated feat, but messy.

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1:72 Fokker D.XX; aircraft '81' of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops) 2nd Eskadrille; Værløse (Sjælland, Denmark), summer 1938 (Whif/kitbashing) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/FbPx4W) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

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1:72 Fokker D.XX; aircraft '81' of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops) 2nd Eskadrille; Værløse (Sjælland, Denmark), summer 1938 (Whif/kitbashing) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/FbPwXd) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

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1:72 Fokker D.XX; aircraft '81' of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops) 2nd Eskadrille; Værløse (Sjælland, Denmark), summer 1938 (Whif/kitbashing) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/FbPwVE) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr


Another issue arose through the fact that the D.XXI's fuselage is wider than the Gloster Gladiator's - resulting in a wider span of the lower wings than the upper! In order to correct this, the lower wings' tips were clipped and I used the occasion to re-sculpt all wing tips, trying to get away from the Gladiator's characteristic round shape.

Once the lower wings were mated with the fuselage, the upper wings were added with the help of the outer support struts only. Once dry, the additional struts between the upper wing and the fuselage were added - the latter were scratched with styrene strips. Thin styrene was also used to add some diagonal bracing struts, once more in an attempt to change the wings' look away from its Gladiator origins.

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1:72 Fokker D.XX; aircraft '81' of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops) 2nd Eskadrille; Værløse (Sjælland, Denmark), summer 1938 (Whif/kitbashing) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/FbPwU7) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

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1:72 Fokker D.XX; aircraft '81' of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops) 2nd Eskadrille; Værløse (Sjælland, Denmark), summer 1938 (Whif/kitbashing) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/FbPwS3) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

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1:72 Fokker D.XX; aircraft '81' of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops) 2nd Eskadrille; Værløse (Sjælland, Denmark), summer 1938 (Whif/kitbashing) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/FbPwQ9) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr


The spatted wheels were taken from the PM Model kit, but shortened by 2mm - OOB they are IMHO much too long, and the result would be a very stalky stance. The tail wheel was also taken OOB, but moved aft and shortened, too.

Inside, a different seat was used; a box was placed behind it, filling the gap, and a dashboard was added under the windshield. The canopy (very thick material!) was cut into three pieces, for a potential open presentation.

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1:72 Fokker D.XX; aircraft '81' of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops) 2nd Eskadrille; Værløse (Sjælland, Denmark), summer 1938 (Whif/kitbashing) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/FbPx4W) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr


Engine and cowling were taken OOB, but the propeller was replaced with a better-looking scrap box find, which also received a longer axis for better balance and free spinning.

The rigging was done with material derived from heated, black IP sprues, which I like because it bonds well with the kit's plastic and can be attached with standard glue. Additionally, the wire's strength can the individually tailored.

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1:72 Fokker D.XX; aircraft '81' of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops) 2nd Eskadrille; Værløse (Sjælland, Denmark), summer 1938 (Whif/kitbashing) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/23gU6id) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr


Painting and markings:
I used this occasion to apply the somewhat obscure camouflage of the Royal Danish Air Force from the late Thirties. While the scheme itself is rather simple, the colors remain obscure. In profiles and painting instructions you can find a wide range of recommendations - ranging from sand or a greenish yellow and olive drab to dark green and dark earth! The undersides were supposed to be "bluish grey".

I eventually settled upon a relatively simple choice, with Humbrol 83 (Ochre) and Revell 46 (NATO Olive Drab, RAL 7013 a.k.a. Gelboliv), which looks almost like a dark brown together with the greenish sand tone. IMHO they make a good combo for the Danish scheme. For the undersides, I went for Humbrol 128 (FS 36320). Interior surfaces were painted in a dark slate grey tone, the propeller received an aluminum front and flat black back surfaces.

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1:72 Fokker D.XX; aircraft '81' of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops) 2nd Eskadrille; Værløse (Sjælland, Denmark), summer 1938 (Whif/kitbashing) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/23gU6aN) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

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1:72 Fokker D.XX; aircraft '81' of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops) 2nd Eskadrille; Værløse (Sjælland, Denmark), summer 1938 (Whif/kitbashing) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/23gU66u) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr


The kit received a light black ink wash and a post-shading treatment with various shades of the basic tones, including ModelMaster RAL 7028 (German WWII Dunkelgelb) as well as Humbrol 155, 163 and 247. Finally, the fabric structure on the wings was slightly emphasized with dry-brushed light grey, and exhaust soot under the fuselage was added with grinded graphite.

The markings come from various sources: roundels from a D.XXI sheet from PrintScale, the flags on the fin belong to a Danish F-100 (XtraDecal) and the tactical code was puzzled together. The nose art, the charging knight on the cowling, which I added because I found the overall aircraft to look pretty bleak, comes from a ModelCollect tank model sheet.
Finally, the whole kit was sealed with matt acrylic varnish (Italeri).

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1:72 Fokker D.XX; aircraft '81' of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops) 2nd Eskadrille; Værløse (Sjælland, Denmark), summer 1938 (Whif/kitbashing) (https://flic.kr/p/23gU5rJ) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

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1:72 Fokker D.XX; aircraft '81' of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops) 2nd Eskadrille; Værløse (Sjælland, Denmark), summer 1938 (Whif/kitbashing) (https://flic.kr/p/23gU5j9) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

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1:72 Fokker D.XX; aircraft '81' of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops) 2nd Eskadrille; Værløse (Sjælland, Denmark), summer 1938 (Whif/kitbashing) (https://flic.kr/p/21XjgJR) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

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1:72 Fokker D.XX; aircraft '81' of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops) 2nd Eskadrille; Værløse (Sjælland, Denmark), summer 1938 (Whif/kitbashing) (https://flic.kr/p/23gU563) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr




Not a spectacular whif, and this one does not really stand out between similar builds (e.g. the Macchi Brezza or the Gloster Glaive) I did before, but I find it interesting how good and plausible the retrograded Fokker D.XXI looks. The new/old wings blend in nicely, and the Danish scheme looks good on this biplane, too, even though I wonder why these colors were chosen? It looks rather like a desert paint scheme than something for Northern Europe, with lots of water and mostly green, flat landscape? Strange... :unsure:
Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: Old Wombat on January 09, 2018, 12:08:13 AM
Looks great, Dizzy! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


My 1st thought was "Gladiator-bash", & I was close. ;)

Re: the camo; Fields & forests, perhaps?
Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: TomZ on January 09, 2018, 12:36:25 AM
Great idea. Looks very real.
:thumbsup:

TomZ
Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: zenrat on January 09, 2018, 12:45:55 AM
Good one Dizz.

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 09, 2018, 01:29:31 AM
Glad you like it. Yes, despite the modfied wings rather Gladiator-ish, but the whole thing looks pretty conclusive.  ;D
Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: JayBee on January 09, 2018, 03:30:59 AM
There's only one word.


Brilliant.
Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: Old Wombat on January 09, 2018, 04:31:41 AM
If she'd been in the opposite bank in this shot I think you'd see the camouflage being relatively effective. ;)

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Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: NARSES2 on January 09, 2018, 06:23:02 AM
That's fantastic Dizzy  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 09, 2018, 06:39:42 AM
Thank you, too, as well as for the nomination - unexpected!  :lol:
Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: Hotte on January 09, 2018, 09:10:50 AM
Nice Fokker  :thumbsup:

Hotte
Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: loupgarou on January 09, 2018, 09:14:40 AM
Another nice model,Dizzy.
Even if I cannot understand how it's possible to glue the upper wing and keep it straight on all axes with only those flimsy struts at the wing extremities.  :o
Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: Glenn Gilbertson on January 09, 2018, 09:23:06 AM
Very creative and realistic - good one, Dizzy! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 09, 2018, 09:45:41 AM
Excellent stuff Thomas. Backdating an airframe like that is an unusual idea, and yet it works very well.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: Tophe on January 09, 2018, 10:42:15 AM
Good! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: Snowtrooper on January 09, 2018, 01:50:10 PM
The D.XXI actually looks better as a biplane than a monoplane :thumbsup:

Don't know about the desert-ness of the camo, but in a lot of those shots there is a definite greenish hue. Maybe it was autumn/late summer camo against yellow or dried leaves? Then would come the bleak grey-white winter camo, and in the spring it would get a vibrant bright green camo ;D
Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: stevehed on January 09, 2018, 03:53:43 PM
Up there with the rest of them. Imaginative, well built and plausible. Just the way I like them.

Regards, Steve
Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 09, 2018, 11:37:30 PM
Again, thanks a lot! The colors are really obscure. I could not find a reliable visual reference (not even a museum aircraft of the era), and the verbal descriptions of the two upper tones vary widely. Painting instructions in model kits are even more confusing and IMHO simply wrong. I assume that it was a greenish yellow/sand tone, and a very dark olive drab that had a brownish hue. I tried to come close to this with the tones I chose, but there's no guarantee for authenticity. Suits the Fokker well, though.  ;D

Quote from: loupgarou on January 09, 2018, 09:14:40 AM
Even if I cannot understand how it's possible to glue the upper wing and keep it straight on all axes with only those flimsy struts at the wing extremities.  :o

Took some biplane kitbashing attempts, but I found a safe way: lower wings first, then the outer support struts. Upper wings next, and the stabilizer struts with the fuselage are mounted as the final step. This ensures a relatively level position of the wing, and fitting the fuselage struts on thier own is easier than trying to put the upper wing on them, including the outer struts. Very wobbly affair, and hardly works at all.
Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: loupgarou on January 10, 2018, 12:03:32 AM
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on January 09, 2018, 11:37:30 PM

Quote from: loupgarou on January 09, 2018, 09:14:40 AM
Even if I cannot understand how it's possible to glue the upper wing and keep it straight on all axes with only those flimsy struts at the wing extremities.  :o

Took some biplane kitbashing attempts, but I found a safe way: lower wings first, then the outer support struts. Upper wings next, and the stabilizer struts with the fuselage are mounted as the final step. This ensures a relatively level position of the wing, and fitting the fuselage struts on thier own is easier than trying to put the upper wing on them, including the outer struts. Very wobbly affair, and hardly works at all.

Yes, but how it's possible to glue the struts pointing upward at the correct angle without an upper "reference"? And that those f***ing flimsy things STAY in the position you decided?  :unsure:
Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 10, 2018, 01:19:16 AM
Works pretty well, at least for me.  ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: Weaver on January 11, 2018, 02:16:38 AM
Excellent job Dizzy!  :thumbsup:

As someone who's currently scratching his head about mating wings from one thing to a fuselage from another via a mess of struts, I sympathise...
Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: ysi_maniac on January 11, 2018, 12:29:36 PM
This biplane is a great idea.
Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: stevehed on January 11, 2018, 04:00:38 PM
Quote from: loupgarou on January 10, 2018, 12:03:32 AM
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on January 09, 2018, 11:37:30 PM

Quote from: loupgarou on January 09, 2018, 09:14:40 AM
Even if I cannot understand how it's possible to glue the upper wing and keep it straight on all axes with only those flimsy struts at the wing extremities.  :o

Took some biplane kitbashing attempts, but I found a safe way: lower wings first, then the outer support struts. Upper wings next, and the stabilizer struts with the fuselage are mounted as the final step. This ensures a relatively level position of the wing, and fitting the fuselage struts on thier own is easier than trying to put the upper wing on them, including the outer struts. Very wobbly affair, and hardly works at all.

Yes, but how it's possible to glue the struts pointing upward at the correct angle without an upper "reference"? And that those f***ing flimsy things STAY in the position you decided?  :unsure:

I've always found it best to turn the top wing over and fix it to either lined paper or graph paper. The lines will help to line it up straight then fix it into place with pins. The struts are best fixed to the lower wing using polystyrene cement. A dab in the hole, let it start to set for a minute so it is tacky, then add the forward strut. I just eyeball it to the correct angle but the tacky glue will hold it. Repeat with the rear using the front strut to get the angle right and the gap between them will be the same for the top. Repeat for the other wing and let them almost set. Now before the next step I should advise it is usually best practice to fit the fin and rudder before turning the aircraft upside down and carefully maneouvring the struts into the holes. The lined paper will help to get the fuselage properly aligned with the wings. Allow to set then fit the cabanes. This usually works for me but different designs may require a bit of adjustment to the basic technique, for example, raising or lowering the rudder to get the front struts into the locating holes.
HTH, Steve
Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: NARSES2 on January 12, 2018, 06:33:25 AM
I still have an almost finished Eduard Avia B.534 awaiting it's top wing. Stunning kit but the struts are just to close to scale and won't take the strain. Tried loads of times with no luck, but I'll keep on trying  :banghead:
Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: Scotaidh on January 14, 2018, 10:40:52 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on January 12, 2018, 06:33:25 AM
I still have an almost finished Eduard Avia B.534 awaiting it's top wing. Stunning kit but the struts are just to close to scale and won't take the strain. Tried loads of times with no luck, but I'll keep on trying  :banghead:

Have you tried using lock-wire?
Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: DogfighterZen on January 14, 2018, 03:38:45 PM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: deathjester on January 14, 2018, 05:11:51 PM
That is very pretty - well done Sir!!
Title: Re: Fokker D.XX of the Hærens Flyvertropper (Danish Army Aviation Troops), 1938
Post by: NARSES2 on January 15, 2018, 03:09:28 AM
Quote from: Scotaidh on January 14, 2018, 10:40:52 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on January 12, 2018, 06:33:25 AM
I still have an almost finished Eduard Avia B.534 awaiting it's top wing. Stunning kit but the struts are just to close to scale and won't take the strain. Tried loads of times with no luck, but I'll keep on trying  :banghead:

Have you tried using lock-wire?

I'm not familiar with the term, but having just googled it, it could be worth pursuing. Thanks  :thumbsup: