Following the Bevan governments abolition of the House of Lords, banishment of the royals and passing of the Extraordinary Emergency Powers Act (1953) the UK played a major role in the setting up of the Warsaw Pact becoming a full fledged member of the Big Red Family.
A consequence of this was the transfer of all aerospace design talent to the main design bureaus back in Mother Russia.
Former British Aircraft Corporation personnel were placed in the Myasishchev Bureau where they were assigned the study of a tactical strike aircraft...
<edit - Aerospace replaced with Aircraft>
Erm, British Aerospace didn't exist until 1977.
Or did Bevan nationalise Avro, Hawker, Bristol, Gloster, Handley Page, Scottish Aviation, Westland, Boulton Paul, Martin Baker, Percival, Saunders Roe and all the other smaller manufacturers before the 1953 Act?
They were all combined as part of the act to make the very thing more efficient. Yeah, yeah, that's it!
When was the complexity committee establihed to help make things more efficient? before or after the nationalisation? :banghead:
David <_<
Quote from: PR19_Kit on January 10, 2017, 08:41:56 AM
Erm, British Aerospace didn't exist until 1977.
Or did Bevan nationalise Avro, Hawker, Bristol, Gloster, Handley Page, Scottish Aviation, Westland, Boulton Paul, Martin Baker, Percival, Saunders Roe and all the other smaller manufacturers before the 1953 Act?
One of the Bevan government's first acts was to nationalise everything; automotive, aerospace, ship yards, department stores, grocery stores, fish-&-chipperies, & pubs were amongst the beneficiaries of the efficiencies of government bureaucratic control.
Aircraft not Aerospace.
That'll learn me to make stuff up without looking at my notes.
British Aircraft Corporation - formed in 1954 by the forced merger of English Electric, Vickers-Armstrong, Bristol and Hunting.
I pulled the fuselage for this out of the box today to have a play.
It's huge. I had forgotten how big the aircraft in question was.
I want to make it a side by side two seater which will mean widening the fuselage. Its doable but the tricky but will be widening the canopy. I do have an Intruder I have no plans for which is a potential donor (maybe the entire cockpit?) but that might not look Russian enough.
We shall see.
It will have the almost obligatory rear gun turret.
Huge, yes, but what IS it? :-\
The backstory leads one to believe that the base kit is of British origin, plus it mentions it's a "tactical strike aircraft" so that likely rules out V-bombers and Nimrod (which wouldn't need widening of the fuselage to accept an Intruder cockpit either). My money is on a Sovietized TSR-2.
Correctamundo Snowy. :thumbsup:
It's the Stratos 4 kit so it already has extra interesting goodies like RATO gear and a big missile.
The Intruder idea may not be a goer as being an old Hasegawa kit it is lacking in detail and I would probably be better off scratchbuilding something. Plus what always happens happened and while rummaging in the Intruder box I thought "hmmmm, this is an interesting looking (and larger than I expected) plane, I should build this rather than rob parts from it".
Starting pics.
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Todays progress consisted of adding strips of sheet styrene to the inside of the fuselage halves to allow for widening.
Width will be decided by the cockpit. I have abandoned the idea of using Intruder parts having remembered I had an Academy A-37 in the stash. This is much more conducive to being chopped up for parts and the fuselage halves have been glued together ready to feel the kiss of the saw.
It might seem an odd choice, but the four-seater Skyraider has a surprisingly well-sloped and modern-looking windscreen.
Most glorious, comrade!
Quote from: Weaver on January 29, 2017, 10:20:46 AM
It might seem an odd choice, but the four-seater Skyraider has a surprisingly well-sloped and modern-looking windscreen.
Possibly a good suggestion. However my stash is lacking in Skyraiders.
The fuselage has now been widened by 12mm. I do have a picture of it with a Super Tweet cockpit taped in place but Photobucket is refusing to play ball today.
Next thing is to widen the bomb bay/main undercarriage bay piece by a similar amount.
And now Photobucket has decided to cooperate.
Mobile phone photo of the widened fuselage. The overexposure doing a wonderful job of hiding the inserted 12mm wide strip.
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Nice! :thumbsup:
I think this is going to be one of those slow builds where I keep pausing while I work out how to get round the latest snag.
Welcome to my world, where that describes every build! :banghead: ;D
Of course, widening the fuselage means widening more than just the two main halves.
Today I widened the Bomb bay/main undercarriage bay. This is important to do accurately as it acts as bulkheads aligning parts that are otherwise only glued at the top.
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One advantage of this approach is that I get a much bigger bomb bay.
I also cut the wings from the sprues and sat them on top of the fuselage. They are too short.
Quote from: zenrat on January 31, 2017, 01:20:52 AM
I also cut the wings from the sprues and sat them on top of the fuselage. They are too short.
You're starting to think like me Fred. This way lies madness............ ;D ;)
Oh i'm already mad.
The wings won't be stretched too far but do need to be sovietised with the addition of a dogtooth, a fence and maybe a carrot.
I glued in the widened bomb bay/UC bay today and cut up and attached the piece that surrounds the bomb bay and forms the lower rear fuselage.
Also, after carefull study and scientific measurement (holding it up next to a ruler and squinting) I cut one of widening joints in the nose and reglued it straight to remove a definite bend I hadn't noticed when I first glued it all together on Monday.
Quote from: zenrat on February 01, 2017, 02:50:15 AM
... the addition of a dogtooth, a fence and maybe a carrot ...
Has it ever occurred to you guys just how weird we must sound to some people? ;D
Quote from: Old Wombat on February 01, 2017, 04:07:37 AM
Quote from: zenrat on February 01, 2017, 02:50:15 AM
... the addition of a dogtooth, a fence and maybe a carrot ...
Has it ever occurred to you guys just how weird we must sound to some people? ;D
Yes........... ;D
That's what it's all about for some of us, maybe ALL of us. ;D
At shows the UK Whiff SIG are constantly amused by the different ways some of the stand's viewers react to us, everything from guffaws of laughter to shaking of heads as they wander off. Now and then we get some REALLY interested people who want to know why and how and all that good stuff. :thumbsup:
I would forget about the Küchemann carrots as on soviet aircraft they usually housed the main undercarriage, besides my girlfriend's cat would have sniffed them out and rubbed himself all over them, very odd cat :unsure:
Just go with a couple of fences, white picket ones are nice, and you could introduce a Dog Tooth where the current wing has it's droop, thus allowing you to extend the wing at the same time.
Gondor
This is creating a very strange aircraft image in my head just now! Now if I can get a dog to give up a couple teeth.......
Quote from: Old Wombat on February 01, 2017, 04:07:37 AM
Quote from: zenrat on February 01, 2017, 02:50:15 AM
... the addition of a dogtooth, a fence and maybe a carrot ...
Has it ever occurred to you guys just how weird we must sound to some people? ;D
Oh I don't know. Have you ever sat and listened to two golfers talking when you don't play yourself?
Quote from: Gondor on February 01, 2017, 06:27:14 AM
I would forget about the Küchemann carrots as on soviet aircraft they usually housed the main undercarriage, besides my girlfriend's cat would have sniffed them out and rubbed himself all over them, very odd cat :unsure:
Just go with a couple of fences, white picket ones are nice, and you could introduce a Dog Tooth where the current wing has it's droop, thus allowing you to extend the wing at the same time.
Gondor
I had thoughts of building the TSR2-MS RATO units into carrots but maybe that particular root vegetable would be out of place on a delta wing.
Current plan on the dog tooth and the fence is to put them together with the fence doubling as a weapons pylon like on the Su-22.
I may try and flatten out the wing tips to remove that signature droop.
I did nothing to this today. It has rather a lot of Revell Contacta Professional in it and from experience it is best to give large quantities a decent time to harden off properly.
Soft, nasty, 'orrible kit ;D. Pantographs suk!!!
What I do remember is when the upper and lower wings are together and then placed in the upper fuselage slot, there's a very nasty step front and back. Cut back the locating plugs first and test-fit...this cures the problem. I'd also bin the entire u/c parts...utterly crap and toy-like.
A step front and back is less of an issue than the 12mm gap down the middle.
I'd post a pic to show what I mean but Photof**ket is playing up again.
I have an SAC white metal undercarriage set.
I've been having a lot of patience with Photobucket too... :banghead: I find that when a page is taking longer than "normal" on PB, i stop loading the page and refresh, loads said page in just a few seconds after that. Normally it's when i'm logging in to upload pics.
And i also close all the ads as soon as they start loading, which also helps to speed things up.
Wing widening has commenced. Only 6mm per wing but it's the thought that counts.
Ah, it appears I am now allowed to access my photos.
Underside.
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Topside with wings and cockpit wedged in place (before widening operations commenced).
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Quote from: zenrat on February 05, 2017, 02:24:01 AM
Wing widening has commenced. Only 6mm per wing but it's the thought that counts.
Every little counts......... ;D
[This may be lost on non-Brits of course]
Slightly more than 6mm as I also flattened the tips.
The dogs teeth and fences are located at the point the bend used to be. I am resisting putting in another DT&F half way down each wing as 1) I have enough PSR to do as it is 2) I don't think it would look right and 3) i'd be bound to mess it up and cut one crooked or at a different distance from the root. Plus it would add more weakness into the wings. I'm already convinced i'm going to keep knocking the tips off.
Started building up around the exhausts. I want to add a radar controlled rear gun turret in this area. Or maybe a manned one. Haven't decided but a rear gun was, I believe, mandatory on Soviet bombers for a while.
Quote from: zenrat on February 06, 2017, 02:41:59 AM
Started building up around the exhausts. I want to add a radar controlled rear gun turret in this area. Or maybe a manned one. Haven't decided but a rear gun was, I believe, mandatory on Soviet bombers for a while.
Take a look at my 'Time Warp' TSR2 for some tips................. ;D
http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,37459.msg607109.html#msg607109 (http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,37459.msg607109.html#msg607109)
Thanks Kit.
Coincidentally I had pulled a couple of 1/48 drop tank ends and a large bomb out of the weapons box this afternoon.
The TSR2 MS has a rocket booster mounted on the fin which I will use to make a radar installation.
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Something similar to this (Tu 22M3 Backfire).
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That Backfire arrangement looks pretty impressive. :o
I does doesn't it.
Researching the Backfire last night I began to see it as a TSR2 on steroids with swing wings.
I prefer the Blinder but I will be taking huge great lumps of inspiration from this gun installation.
Today I painted the afterburner ring thingos and the inside of the exhausts as it will not be possible to do so when its all buttoned up. I also added some flanges on some parts to give support for panelling filling the big gap down the middle.
I've been avoiding it but the nose will need to be addressed soon.
Nose is on.
I've used the warhead from a 1/50 Revell Honest John.
I've been concentrating on the nose. I want to make it look as little like a TSR as possible without just chopping it off and gluing on a new one (tricky given the square section profile of the fuselage).
It is currently 400mm (15 3/4") long but will grow.
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Looking very nice with soviet levels of ugliness (no offence) I love how you're really managing to camouflage the TSR-2 ancestry :thumbsup:
Platypus nose? Now we're talking! :thumbsup:
Hell yeah, looking glorious!! I love the platypus too. :D
Thanks blokes.
The nose is turning out just as I was imagining it - Blinder meets Fullback.
I'm resting the temptation to just slather it in filler to fill the gaps and am cutting small pieces to fill them before skimming smaller amounts of filler over the top. I am hoping this reduces the risk of getting bored with PSR.
I'm thinking about a T tail and canards.
It's looking very soviet indeed, that nose really does it! :thumbsup:
I also think that the canopy also helps, somehow reminds me of the Mig-25UB, without the top cockpit... :o
Try epoxie putty for those large areas. I use Aves Epoxie sculpt. Starship modeler has it in their store. You won't have the worry about dry time or shrinkage. Aves cures in a couple hours.
I agree about the Apoxie Sculpt, it's great stuff. One thing I'd add is, although it may feel hard after a couple hours, I find it takes longer before it's easily sand-able (8hrs).
The build looks great, however you wind up smoothing out the nose, I can't wait to see how it looks.
I have putties. I don't have the patience for major PSR. I lose interest in doing bulk sanding, put things to one side for Ron* and then never pick them up again.
As is evidenced by the pile of semi sanded car bodies next to my desk.
*Later Ron. ;D
I started building the tail structure up today. I will not be keeping the "All Flying" aspect of the TSR2.
Bonus with Apoxy Sculpt is that it can be shaped using spatulas & knives while soft - I usually use water (in very small amounts) as a lubricant & smoothing agent, too. PSR often becomes a bit of a non-event.
Putty - Shape - Smooth - Sand - Oh! I'm done! :o
Rear gun installation is built and it's time for PSR to begin.
Initial applications of Tamiya polyester putty have begun to fill the deeper holes, dips and dents so for the foreseeable future I will be covered in yellow dust and smelling slightly of fibre glass resin.
And we're off...
Having slathered stinky yellow putty around parts of the nose and cockpit I attacked it with wet'n'dry today.
Used wet for a change.
After a rinse and time to dry, round two yellow stink was slathered on.
Ya that nose looks great ! I love lumpy and bumpy aeroplanes :thumbsup:
It's a bit smoother now.
But still much much more PSR to go.
I haven't given up on this but gaach! PSR sucks.
It's not the bits i've added that are the problem (although widening the whole fuselage probably hasn't helped) but the ill fitting original Airfix parts.
I've got the new nose and cockpit pretty much smoothed in but am now having issues around the intakes and exhausts.
:rolleyes:
PSR can be cool. You just have to see and feel the Zen in it. ;)
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on March 24, 2017, 04:37:00 AM
PSR can be cool. You just have to see and feel the Zen in it. ;)
I have yet to see OR feel it Thomas, but I'm glad you can. ;D ;)
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on March 24, 2017, 04:37:00 AM
PSR can be cool. You just have to see and feel the Zen in it. ;)
;D ;D ;D
Building and PSR are the parts I enjoy the most. Painting and decaling bogs me down. I've considered subcontracting out to someone.
It's the same with renovating the house. Like the construction, find the painting meditative, hate the prep for the painting.
Think PSR on a model is bad? Try it on a ceiling.
Quote from: kerick on March 25, 2017, 06:52:34 PM
Building and PSR are the parts I enjoy the most. Painting and decaling bogs me down. I've considered subcontracting out to someone.
Getting the transfers on (decaling if you must ;)) is probably my favourite part of the process. Brings an inert model to life in my eyes. Still world would be a boring place if we all liked the same things.
Quote from: NARSES2 on March 26, 2017, 05:15:39 AM
Quote from: kerick on March 25, 2017, 06:52:34 PM
Building and PSR are the parts I enjoy the most. Painting and decaling bogs me down. I've considered subcontracting out to someone.
Getting the transfers on (decaling if you must ;)) is probably my favourite part of the process. Brings an inert model to life in my eyes. Still world would be a boring place if we all liked the same things.
I'm 100% with you there Chris.
And Mrs_PR19 says '...they're just shapes before you put the decals on. Afterward they're models' :thumbsup:
Perhaps we should all send our builds to Dizz for the PSR stage?
I attempted wet sanding PPP on this today. That was a messy experience I'll not be attempting again in a hurry.
However, I think Im at the stage of gluing on the wings and tail now.
Tail glued on. Wings would have been but the masking tape holding the tail in place until the glue dried was in the way.
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In the background the beady eyed might spot a PPP smeared Yak 9 fuselage which has the cockpit replaced with a turret mounting, and a 1/24 Beach Buggy on its way to becoming Speed Buggy.
Wooooow, that's looking magnificent! Like it very much! :wub:
Really like the swooping tail......what's the lucky donor?
Wetsanding can be messy....yes, I know. The Tu-32 was wet sanded and managed to kick the bowl (water and enamel powder) from the table twice....wetting mi trousers and got soiled by the black enamel powder....
That's what you get when you want to make whif's over 35cm length.....
Do you manage to get it done before the GB is ended?
David
Thanks Dave.
The tail? It's all TSR2 mounted on a scratchbuilt wedge which houses the rear gun turret and its targeting radar.
Without deliberately trying to it seems to be developing some Anime character. Must be the Stratos IV influence.
The wet sanding got messy because the PPP seems to soften and start to dissolve.
Will I finish? I hope so. It's not even April yet. Now she's all in one piece things should speed up.
I decided today that she'll have all the fuel and weapons carried internally so no hard points to fit or tanks to paint. I do have to come up with a suitable gnarly looking weapon for that big ol' bomb bay though. Maybe an air launched cruise missile of some sort.
Only the wing tells of its TSR2 roots. That's looking VERY promising Fred. :thumbsup:
Looking good Fred :thumbsup:
Chris
Thanks folks.
More PPP on today. I've lost a lot of panel lines during the build but i'm not going to attempt to rescribe them as I always mess that up. Instead i'm going to take a leaf out of Dizzy's book and draw them back on with a pencil. I trailed it on the Turbocat and it was either successful or you lot were too polite to say anything. :o
I've started on The Weapon. Coincidentally ("there is no such thing as coincidence" - Robert Anton Wilson) the broader bomb bay that results from my widening the fuselage is exactly the same width as the Rocket thing that is slung under the Stratos IV. It's a lot shorter though and not deep enough. My initial thought is to cut down the S IV missile, fit a better shaped schnozz and some folding fins and have it as a semi recessed curse* missile.
Still not decided on a paint job. I was thinking NMF but then I saw 63cpe's Foxbat-G and started thinking how good that scheme looks so I may copy it. Realistically it'll prolly depend on how much time I have to paint it.
*a missile which when its approach is spotted elicits an "oh f**k" reaction from those targeted.
Applied what I am hoping are the last few smears of filler and attached some scoops and lumps.
I also managed to attach the pieces that sit under the upper airbrakes. These should be glued before the top rear fuselage panel was attached but someone failed to read the instructions...
Sanded, primed and the underside undercoated with flat white.
First coat of colour should go on tomorrow.
Nothing done today. Undercoat still feels slightly tacky so best left for another 24 hours.
Painted the underside today.
Two colours on the upper side have been painted. A green colour and a brown colour. I have lined up two more green colours and a black colour for the rest.
Quote from: zenrat on April 08, 2017, 02:19:27 AM
Two colours on the upper side have been painted. A green colour and a brown colour. I have lined up two more green colours and a black colour for the rest.
I'm impressed with your super-specific colour definitions Fred. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: ;D ;D
How is the paintjob going Fred? challenging scheme, isn't it? I felt it was very relaxing not having to check what color gets wherem ( like ím a rivet counter).
I've read an article by the Dutch IPMS branch about the soviet schemes. These tactical schemes had to differ per airframe. There were only basic colors used per theater, usually chocolade brown, dark green and a theater specific color..
David
Well to be honest Dave, as its gone on it's become more "inspired by 63cpe" than a straight copy.
This is due to me not having a similar underside colour (and not wanting to mix my own for such a large aircraft), being too bone idle to mask it for spraying with fuzzy edges, going completely freeform without preplanned pencil marks and not having printed out a copy of your photo and thus going from memory.
So having got what I think of as the "surprise" colours* on I started on the bigger areas and put on some dark green colour. Which I thinned too much and which looks crap but which experiment shows looks OK when overrated with a second unthinned coat of the same paint.
Not much progress on the weapon but i've found something to use as it's nose cone and that's what was holding it up so it won't take long to throw a few fins and things onto it now.
* If you look at a lot of camo schemes, Swedish Fields and Meadows for example, they use two or three colours for most of it but have just one or two small areas that are different. I think of these as the Surprise Colours.
Super nice, like how this is coming along
So this is with one coat of each colour.
I'm not sure about the pale green. I may change it.
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Pale green now brown.
Upperside painting is complete now. Underside needs some touching up, nose and inside bits need painting and then it can be cleared and decaled.
Paint done and ready for clearing tomorrow.
Pilots painted, cockpit insert construction and painting underway.
I made some Russian Cockpit paint today by mixing the following Vallejo colours. RLM 65, Blue Green, IJN Undersides Grey and US Zinc Chromate Green. A truely Internationale brew...
She's up on her back legs.
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Decals on today.
Ooooh..... nice looking working, there. Let's see, that was a couple days ago when you made the last update so I imagine any minute now it'll be done and dusted!
I'm painting the fiddley bits ATM. Should be finished by the end of the week.
You rest up and look after that pneumonia and it'll be up here before you know it.
What a beast ! Looking good !
Comrades, as often happens in the capitalist West it seems that while the aircraft will roll out by the new deadline the weapon it was designed to carry will not be ready.
The design team working on the folding fin ramjet powered stand off nuke have fallen behind due to a certain central committee member insisting they work instead on a custom van.
An existing nuclear weapon will be utilised as an interim measure.
Painted the wheel hubs green today and the undercarriage legs silver.
Better than nothing! I find even tiny amounts of progress helps me feel better about a builds progression so gettin' a little work done on the "shoes" is good enough. Besides, vans take priority and nukes can wait. ;D
And thanks, Fred.. rest up, indeed... I've finally been able to and I think this mess is finally starting to clear up. Still can't breath all too well and the violent coughing fits are still here, BUT, it's all decreasing in frequency and intensity as is the amount of neon green toxic nuclear material in my lungs and sinuses.
Not a smoker are you Brad? Horrible habit. Stopping for good was the hardest thing I ever did.
This one is crawling to completion. I got it satin cleared today and should be attaching legs, wheels, doors etc tomorrow.
Bomb bay doors are still to be painted as I had to scratchbuild them due to the wider bay.
Canopy needs a small amount of sanding to fit and then a lick of paint.
I have assembled and painted one of the single large bombs included in the 1/72 Italeri Beagle for inclusion in the bomb bay. I am assuming it is meant to represent a nuclear weapon but can find no information.
Not real heavy, about three packs a week sometimes less..and some days I don't smoke at all, but yeah not the brightest thing to do and probably makes things like this damned croup (lol) last longer.
I'll learn one of these days. Trying to muster up the courage to ask the doctor for something (and I heard insurane companies will often times heap tons of free smoking cessation crap on you for free in an effort to keep future costs down). I just don't want to try any of that stuff that makes people wig out and have walking night terrors and all that milarkey. ;D
And you know what... I was a fan of the minty green.. (but I'm a weirdo) :unsure: ;D
Quote from: TheChronicOne on April 30, 2017, 10:04:53 AM
...I just don't want to try any of that stuff that makes people wig out and have walking night terrors and all that milarkey. ;D...
I used that stuff. Champix they call it here. I had really weird dreams and didn't sleep properly for 3 months but it was worth it.
However, I also know one person who had to stop taking it because he got aggressive and another who lost impulse control (at least that was what he told his wife to explain the new motorbike).
First thing is to want to stop. Without that you won't.
I won't lecture you (although i'm tempted).
Got to the part of the build i've not been looking forward to. Getting her up on her wheels. Despite using an SAC white metal set i'm still dubious about the strength of the join between the horizontally bits with the wheels on and the main leggy bits.
I attached the front wheels, attached the back wheels to the horizontally bits, propped it up and then epoxied the horizontally bits to the leggy bits.
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Then, when the glue set I turned it upside down. So far she has not sat on her wheels. Hope they hold...
Hmmmm, '.....the main leggy bits.....' will be a technical term, will it? ;D ;)
Quote from: zenrat on May 01, 2017, 03:04:43 AM
Getting her up on her wheels. Despite using an SAC white metal set i'm still dubious about the strength of the join between the horizontally bits with the wheels on and the main leggy bits.
I attached the front wheels, attached the back wheels to the horizontally bits, propped it up and then epoxied the horizontally bits to the leggy bits.
Sounds all technicallese to me! :thumbsup:
It's a direct translation from Engineering Russian. ;)
Well I stood her on her wheels today and when I left the shed she had been standing on them for 2 1/2 hours without any sign of problems.
Doesn't mean she hasn't collapsed by now though...
:o
Other than that I glued on the small hydraulic rams that go from the main legs to the horizontal parts (bogies?) and painted a second coat of paint on the inside of the bomb bay doors.
I do like this Fred, and I am currently in the same boat with a build with dodgy undercarriage (oo-err!!)
Chris.
Well I think I can uncross my appendages as she's stood on her wheels for 48 hours and they haven't moved.
I may still store her with the weight off them though.
Air brakes and undercarriage doors attached today.
Elle a fini.
I will endeavour to take some photographs tomorrow.
I have already written some gibberish.
Cool!! Looking forward to the Glamour Shotz (TM). ;D
Myasishchev M-7 "Lebed": NATO reporting name Brawler.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4046/35243210890_8f3086cda9_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VGjEK5)Myasishchev M-7 Brawler 18 (https://flic.kr/p/VGjEK5) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
The political upheavals that followed the death of King George VI in 1952 which saw the UK absorbed into the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics resulted in the British aircraft industry being reduced to the role of satellite manufacturers. While for a time they continued producing that materiel they had been before Brentry (as it became known in the tabloid press) their design departments were merged en masse into the existing Soviet Design Bureaus.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4004/34821159073_61b2815ffe_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/V42xrB)Myasishchev M-7 Brawler 7 (https://flic.kr/p/V42xrB) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
The English Electric designers were sent to Moscow to join Myasishchev where their first task was to produce studies for a supersonic all-weather aircraft that could deliver nuclear weapons over a long range, operate at high level at Mach 2+ or low level at Mach 1.2.
The result of these studies was, following a long and troubled gestation partly due to the need for "Russification" to fit in with then current central committee thinking, but mainly because of an initial distrust of the "English Men", the Myasishchev M-7.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4240/34821157863_478dbd9cbf_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/V42x5K)Myasishchev M-7 Brawler 10 (https://flic.kr/p/V42x5K) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
A tailed delta, powered by a pair of afterburning Kolesov RD-36-51A Turbojets the M7 had a long forward fuselage with a bulbous radar nose which led to it being nicknamed Lebed (swan). In line with Soviet thinking it had a tail turret consisting of twin radar controlled Rikhter R-23 Autocannons. A large internal bomb bay could accommodate a wide range of current and planned weapons.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4105/35243212150_3e12871fc7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VGjF7N)Myasishchev M-7 Brawler 15 (https://flic.kr/p/VGjF7N) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
The Lebed required a crew of two who were housed in a surprisingly cramped (given the size of the aircraft) cockpit under a very un-Soviet blown canopy. The canopy design is thought to have been one of the few "radical" design elements introduced by the "English Men" to survive all the way through the development/review/approval/redesign process and it was loved by aircrews due to the unparalleled all round fighter-like vision it provided.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4260/34821159623_5f15ea59bd_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/V42xB6)Myasishchev M-7 Brawler 5 (https://flic.kr/p/V42xB6) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
Initial M7 squadrons were tasked as night penetrators but as they worked up the new aircraft it soon proved to be adapt in its role at any time of day and in all weather conditions.
Mission profile was a high altitude approach at speeds in excess of Mach 1.7 with entry to and egress from the target area to be as low as 60m at a speed of Mach 0.95. Something the Lebed was more than capable of.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4217/34821158343_cb3f2ab425_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/V42xe2)Myasishchev M-7 Brawler 9 (https://flic.kr/p/V42xe2) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
The aircraft pictured, Red 20, is one of the initial delivery of 23 and is seen in the low level night camouflage scheme it wore in its first role as a night penetrator.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4127/34821160473_b9322d6eee_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/V42xRK)Myasishchev M-7 Brawler 2 (https://flic.kr/p/V42xRK) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
The Model:
Airfix 1/72 TSR2-MS with its fuselage widened by 12mm.
Academy A-37 Dragonfly cockpit.
Revell 1/50 Honest John warhead as radar nose.
Wings widened and the tips leveled.
Empennage structure scratchbuilt to carry TSR2 flying surfaces.
SAC white metal undercarriage.
Decals from Italeri TU-28 (and very nice they are too – possibly Cartograph – they are thin but not see through and conform very well).
Pilots from the Little Men tub – probably Airfix Beaufighter.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4242/34821160743_514861ff1d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/V42xWp)Myasishchev M-7 Brawler 1 (https://flic.kr/p/V42xWp) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
That looks very good, love that nose! :cheers:
Geez...that's look fantastic !!! :wub: :wub: :wub: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
It almost looks alive, as though it was grown/bred rather than built ? I think it's the front 3/4 shot ? Got the look of a duck about it.
Love the back end and camouflage in particular. Lovely work :thumbsup:
The shape is so ugly it's almost beautiful, and certainly has the Myasishchev look nailed down. Well executed and original concept :thumbsup:
VERY Soviet, VERY Cold War :wub: Love the colours...the rear view looks very Ekranoplan :wub: :wub:. Gorgeous
I'm pleased to see that Myasishchev had the sense to put the tailplane actuators underneath, rather than on top which was how the 'English Men' wanted to do it........ ;D
Thanks folks. Glad you like it.
Quote from: PR19_Kit on May 07, 2017, 10:50:16 AM
I'm pleased to see that Myasishchev had the sense to put the tailplane actuators underneath, rather than on top which was how the 'English Men' wanted to do it........ ;D
As I believe I mentioned earlier, I really didn't pay as much attention as I should have to the TSR2 instructions.
British engineering figures that if the some of the fasteners fall out, gravity & air stream will keep them actuators in situ..
Soviet protocol demands that any such failures will be immediately/severely sanctioned as sabotage of state equipment - all involved will be liquidated - stat..
Actually I've always liked the EE tailed deltas - Lightning was a de facto example, & not many Western aircraft did use it, ( 'cept Douglas A-4 ) AFAIR..
Edit: fixed typo.
Ahhh yeah that looks glorious!! Damn nice work there. I love the nose.
Quote from: zenrat on May 08, 2017, 04:19:45 AM
Thanks folks. Glad you like it.
Quote from: PR19_Kit on May 07, 2017, 10:50:16 AM
I'm pleased to see that Myasishchev had the sense to put the tailplane actuators underneath, rather than on top which was how the 'English Men' wanted to do it........ ;D
As I believe I mentioned earlier, I really didn't pay as much attention as I should have to the TSR2 instructions.
Good on yer Fred, I think the actuators look stupid on top, and I deliberately swapped them over on my Time Warp Eagle.
And I will on any other TSR2s I build too, RW or not.....
I think I just assumed they should go underneath. Don't know why but it seems the right thing to do.
Quote from: zenrat on May 09, 2017, 03:38:53 AM
I think I just assumed they should go underneath. Don't know why but it seems the right thing to do.
So's the dopey erk can bleat - "Dunno where they went Sir, I never actually bloody-well clapped eyes on the wee basterds.."
Edit: 'fixed' spelling.
Quote from: zenrat on May 09, 2017, 03:38:53 AM
I think I just assumed they should go underneath. Don't know why but it seems the right thing to do.
EXACTLY! :thumbsup:
Very cool. Love the camo and shape.....big machine, big bomb !
:wub:
Quote from: Captain Canada on May 09, 2017, 03:32:50 PM
Very cool. Love the camo and shape.....big machine, big bomb !
:wub:
Thanks Cap'n.
The bomb was going to be much bigger but the project was cancelled by the central committee.
Fantastic. Definitively Myasishchev. :thumbsup: Will be in the next edition of Russian Secret Projects.
Quote from: zenrat on May 09, 2017, 10:03:37 PM
Quote from: Captain Canada on May 09, 2017, 03:32:50 PM
Very cool. Love the camo and shape.....big machine, big bomb !
:wub:
Thanks Cap'n.
The bomb was going to be much bigger but the project was cancelled by the central committee.
I have a cut-down 1/35 torpedo, if that would help. ;D
Thanks Womby. I have the basics of the bomb mocked up (cut down TSR2 MS anti meteor missile plus a sharpie cap as warhead) but time was running out (don't like to rely on getting an extension) and it was going to need PSR.
I'll finish it one day and mount it on a loading truck.