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Title: R.A.F. Mustang VII
Post by: JayBee on December 02, 2016, 07:18:58 AM
This is going to one of those OOB builds but with a new operational user.
The basic lit is the RS Models 1/72 P-51H.
This a nice kit giving two sprues in grey plastic, one clear sprue for the canopy, and a number of resin parts. No PE.
The resin parts consist of two bombs, six underwing rockets and the two main wheels. There is also a casting that gives six components, two rudder pedals, two small struts for the main u/c, one pitot tube, and part of the tailwheel assembly. These are all small and are going to be the Devil's own job to separate from the casting block successfully.
I really do wonder why they have been produced in this way.

To show what I mean about them here are a couple of photos.

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Jim
Title: Re: R.A.F. Mustang VII
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 02, 2016, 11:49:49 AM
They're TINY Jim!  :o

I hope the Carpet Monster doesn't get them during the build. This is presumably what you wanted to know about interior colours elsewhere?
Title: Re: R.A.F. Mustang VII
Post by: JayBee on December 02, 2016, 11:53:52 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 02, 2016, 11:49:49 AM
They're TINY Jim!  :o

I hope the Carpet Monster doesn't get them during the build. This is presumably what you wanted to know about interior colours elsewhere?

Indeed.
The Carpet Monster may have a problem as I have every intention of re-fabricating them in real plastic. At least some of them, the rest will just NOT be used.

Title: Re: R.A.F. Mustang VII
Post by: sandiego89 on December 02, 2016, 03:43:06 PM
Resin rudder pedals in 1/72!  Think I would ignore those..... I do like the subtle changes with the H.  Good luck! 
Title: Re: R.A.F. Mustang VII
Post by: comrade harps on December 02, 2016, 04:06:06 PM
RS Models 1/72 P-51H is a kit that builds to a very nice model. Looking forward to see what you do with it.
Title: Re: R.A.F. Mustang VII
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 03, 2016, 12:26:00 AM
I am intersted, too. Have two of these kits in the stash - both with plans but lacing the right moment to tackle them. They look promising, though.
Title: Re: R.A.F. Mustang VII
Post by: NARSES2 on December 03, 2016, 05:31:05 AM
An interested modeller here as well.

As for those strangely moulded resin bits I think you are meant to sand them free  :o Tried it a couple of times with the end result being a lack of fingerprints   :banghead:
Title: Re: R.A.F. Mustang VII
Post by: JayBee on December 04, 2016, 04:02:49 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 03, 2016, 05:31:05 AM
Tried it a couple of times with the end result being a lack of fingerprints   :banghead:

I know the feeling well Chris.
In my case it was a Welsh Models EE Lightning, 1/144, Vac-form.
The tailplanes are small and need to be sanded down VERY thin.
I realized I had maybe gone just a little bit too far when the white plastic debris from the wet sanding turned pink !  :banghead:
Title: Re: R.A.F. Mustang VII
Post by: Gondor on December 04, 2016, 05:29:24 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 03, 2016, 05:31:05 AM

As for those strangely moulded resin bits I think you are meant to sand them free  :o Tried it a couple of times with the end result being a lack of fingerprints   :banghead:

That can be useful at times  :rolleyes:

Gondor
Title: Re: R.A.F. Mustang VII
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 04, 2016, 05:38:59 AM
You need a thin mini saw blade for them, and either a Dremel or a (smaller) engraving tool.

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A horizontal cut along the "base plane" should be pretty clean and easy, but still nothing for shaky hands...  :o I think I'd rather scratch alternatives.
Title: Re: R.A.F. Mustang VII
Post by: kerick on December 04, 2016, 06:37:01 AM
What scale is this kit? Looks like most of those parts won't be seen when finished anyway.
Don't see very many P-51H builds. Please keep us posted!
Title: Re: R.A.F. Mustang VII
Post by: JayBee on December 04, 2016, 07:58:28 AM
Quote from: kerick on December 04, 2016, 06:37:01 AM
What scale is this kit?  1/72

Looks like most of those parts won't be seen when finished anyway. Couldn't agree more


Don't see very many P-51H builds. There have not been any mainstream kits of the H in any scale before.
I used to have the old Rareplanes conversion for the H in 1/72, but all you got was the two fuselage halves. I think I sold it on to someone else a long time ago.

Please keep us posted! Will do, but please remember I build at the speed of a striking snail!

Jim
Title: Re: R.A.F. Mustang VII
Post by: kitnut617 on December 04, 2016, 08:08:16 AM
Quote from: JayBee on December 04, 2016, 07:58:28 AM
There have not been any mainstream kits of the H in any scale before.
I used to have the old Rareplanes conversion for the H in 1/72, but all you got was the two fuselage halves. I think I sold it on to someone else a long time ago.
Jim

What were you supposed to use for the wings Jim ? They're nothing like a P-51D wing

There has been for years an injection kit of the 'H', the much overlooked High Planes kit. I've got three and a bunch of spares from them back in the 90's. High Plane kits build into very nice models, but they are definitely not 'shake & bake' kits.
Title: Re: R.A.F. Mustang VII
Post by: kerick on December 04, 2016, 08:15:16 AM
At 1/72nd scale I definitely won't worry about those tiny parts. Probably would pop off and feed the carpet monster anyway.
There is a lack of post war aircraft models.
Title: Re: R.A.F. Mustang VII
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 04, 2016, 08:39:28 AM
Quote from: kitnut617 on December 04, 2016, 08:08:16 AM
Quote from: JayBee on December 04, 2016, 07:58:28 AM
There have not been any mainstream kits of the H in any scale before.
I used to have the old Rareplanes conversion for the H in 1/72, but all you got was the two fuselage halves. I think I sold it on to someone else a long time ago.
Jim

What were you supposed to use for the wings Jim ? They're nothing like a P-51D wing

There has been for years an injection kit of the 'H', the much overlooked High Planes kit. I've got three and a bunch of spares from them back in the 90's. High Plane kits build into very nice models, but they are definitely not 'shake & bake' kits.

I still have my Rareplanes vacform H fuselage. They give you instructions how to convert the Hasegawa D wing, gear and fin to an H. It looks reasonably straightforward, although I've never tried it myself.

Whatever anyone does, DON'T get the M News P-51H kit, it's diabolical!  :banghead:
Title: Re: R.A.F. Mustang VII
Post by: kitnut617 on December 04, 2016, 08:49:00 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 04, 2016, 08:39:28 AM
Quote from: kitnut617 on December 04, 2016, 08:08:16 AM
Quote from: JayBee on December 04, 2016, 07:58:28 AM
There have not been any mainstream kits of the H in any scale before.
I used to have the old Rareplanes conversion for the H in 1/72, but all you got was the two fuselage halves. I think I sold it on to someone else a long time ago.
Jim

What were you supposed to use for the wings Jim ? They're nothing like a P-51D wing

There has been for years an injection kit of the 'H', the much overlooked High Planes kit. I've got three and a bunch of spares from them back in the 90's. High Plane kits build into very nice models, but they are definitely not 'shake & bake' kits.

I still have my Rareplanes vacform H fuselage. They give you instructions how to convert the Hasegawa D wing, gear and fin to an H. It looks reasonably straightforward, although I've never tried it myself.

Whatever anyone does, DON'T get the M News P-51H kit, it's diabolical!  :banghead:

Thanks Kit    :thumbsup:

I forgot there's also the Beechnut injection kit (got a couple of them too) not too bad for a limited run kit but they're not 1/72 scale as advertised, more like 1/75 scale
Title: Re: R.A.F. Mustang VII
Post by: NARSES2 on December 05, 2016, 07:28:08 AM
Quote from: Gondor on December 04, 2016, 05:29:24 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 03, 2016, 05:31:05 AM

As for those strangely moulded resin bits I think you are meant to sand them free  :o Tried it a couple of times with the end result being a lack of fingerprints   :banghead:

That can be useful at times  :rolleyes:

Gondor

Don't tell Hank  :angel:
Title: Re: R.A.F. Mustang VII
Post by: JayBee on January 06, 2017, 07:57:37 AM
OK, Christmas and New Year are passed and the modelling table is at last getting disturbed again.
Work has restarted on the Mustang VII, and the difficulty with the tail wheel assembly has been (I hope) resolved.
What you get in the kit will give a very close scale representation of the real thing as shown in David McLaren's North Amercian P-51H Mustang (Air Force Legends Number 209).
Apparently the tail wheel assembly was one of the weak points of the H, and the above volume has a good photo of a ground collision between two P-51Hs of the Massachusetts ANG. In both aircraft the tailwheels have collapsed!

My solution was to use a bit of plasticard rather than the resin part given. This gives a sturdier fixing and who the heck is going to see it anyway.


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Jim

Title: Re: R.A.F. Mustang VII
Post by: Captain Canada on January 06, 2017, 08:45:11 AM
I'd just toss the fiddly bits nobody is gonna see them anyway lol. I think I have this kit so I'm looking forward to seeing some more !

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Title: Re: R.A.F. Mustang VII
Post by: JayBee on January 28, 2017, 08:42:33 AM
Having said earlier  that a problem the P-51H had was a weakness in the tail wheel..........
they were right.
You have to glue the tailwheel assembly into the fuselage before joining the fuselage halves together and this makes it a touch vulnerable should you have to do any tidying up/PSR in that area. OF COURSE you do.
Yes the wheel went PING, however I did manage to fight off the Carpet Monster and it safe for later refitting.


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Title: Re: R.A.F. Mustang VII
Post by: Gondor on January 28, 2017, 08:46:42 AM
Might be an idea to put it in a bag and pin it in place when you get to the end of the build Jim, but you have probably already decided to do that.

Gondor
Title: Re: R.A.F. Mustang VII
Post by: KiwiZac on January 29, 2017, 12:27:51 PM
I love me an H whif. Good luck! That tailwheel setup is rather precarious.
Title: Re: R.A.F. Mustang VII
Post by: Captain Canada on January 30, 2017, 07:51:54 AM
Glad you found it !

:thumbsup: