Right gentlemen. The next GB will be "The Old Kit GB" and the preliminary rules are set out below for discussion.
I do realise that the definition of what constitutes an old kit could get quite intense so please can I please ask you to a keep the spirit of the GB very much in mind and b) think in terms of when the moulds were tooled rather than when the particular moulding you have to hand was produced. It's the date of the moulds being tooled that counts.
1. Group Build runs from 00.01 Saturday 1st October 2016 to 24:00 Saturday 31st December (all times local). If people would rather run Friday to a Sunday then please say so.
2) An old kit is considered to be any kit where the moulds were originally tooled before 1st January 1985. Any boxing using those moulds is perfectly acceptable. Transfers (decals if you must) can be of any age you choose to use. In the case of kitbashes or the use of the aftermarket, 60% of the finished model must be from the original pre 1985 tools or toolings.
3) You may build as many entries as you like (good luck!). I'm afraid I can't work out how to include stories or profiles in an old kit GB so I think this GB will be purely for models. The posting of in-progress pictures is encouraged as always. Back stories - however long or short - win extra points. Well OK they don't but they're always nice to see.
4) "Preparation" work is allowed prior to the start of the GB - this includes the cutting out and cleaning up of parts, even printing your own decals (!), but anything involving paint or glue is not allowed.
5) Part-started models will be considered by the moderators. You should explain what you have done or post pics (even better) and they will convene and pass judgment, their decision being final - we are relying on the honour of our membership to uphold this rule.
6) No rule 6 - is there ever a rule 6 ?
7) Moderators - Crudebuteffective and Kitbasher ; thank you gentlemen
So your thoughts please gentlemen.
The final GB of the 2016/2017 season will be the Soviet GB which will be held in the early months of 2017 almost 100 years after the Revolution - spooky eh ? ;D
Chris
Thank you very much, Chris, as well as Crudebuteffective and Kitbasher.
Time to dig through the dusty corners of the pile...
As a side note - if in doubt, scalemates.com is a good source to track down a kit/model's origins. Wonder who comes up with the most ancient mould model/whif/entry?
I've got an oldie that was gifted to me by Rat way back in the day. Always looked for an excuse to build it :thumbsup:
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on August 31, 2016, 06:51:21 AM
Thank you very much, Chris, as well as Crudebuteffective and Kitbasher.
Time to dig through the dusty corners of the pile...
As a side note - if in doubt, scalemates.com is a good source to track down a kit/model's origins. Wonder who comes up with the most ancient mould model/whif/entry?
Don't tempt me! ;D
I have a LARGE choice of early kits.
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Are wood kits from before the advent of plastics allowed? :rolleyes: ;D
Chris, I think the rules are great- I like a hard calendar date of the 1st and 31st to start and stop as it is easy to remember, but as GMT can throw some off, perhaps the start/finish time should be from where you sit. Those in Tonga and Guam can kick things off....
I didn't think 1985 was "old" hmmm maybe that says something about me :rolleyes: (I was tooled in 1967)
-Dave
I was molded in 1960. Am I acceptable? ;D
Joke aside. Can a model done basically with VEB Plasticart Boeing 707 and Frog/Novo/Eastern Express Britannia?
Hmmm, The Loft could produce a veritable cornucopia of applicable kits if I bothered to climb up there, but there's probably well over 30 that are down stairs here too! :o
I have a couple oldies but goodies. Let me see what the muse comes up with.
Rules look OK to me.
That will be half the fun of this GB, seeing peoples oldies collections !
:thumbsup:
Great I have many old Kits in My Stash. I think I have fun with it.
Could stories and profiles be eligible if done using materials available prior to 1985?
i.e. written longhand, typed with a typewriter, drawn with a pencil etc.
I reckon about half of my stash is eligible but first off the blocks will be a Beaufighter Trimotor using the Airfix TF X which was tooled in 1958.
Check my initial post for a good mould reference.
Quote from: sandiego89 on August 31, 2016, 02:08:42 PM
Chris, I think the rules are great-
I didn't think 1985 was "old" hmmm maybe that says something about me :rolleyes: (I was tooled in 1967)
-Dave
I agree that this is a sensible set of rules.
1985 isn't old!!; 1987 isn't old either....... I'm a 1952 model.
Remember that wise old saying " All men are cast in the same mould, but some are mouldier than others!"
Quote from: Flyer on September 01, 2016, 01:55:25 AM
How do you find out the age of moulds of a kit? I would only own about 2 dozen kits total and I think I would build a Airfix Brewster Buffalo from those for the GB but is it old enough?
Its from 1972.
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/163358-airfix-137-buffalo
Go to scalemates.com and in the search box type the name and kit maker of the model you are interested in. Change the drop down on the left of the search box to "Kits" and click search.
Pick the one you wanted from the list and you'll get a picture, some details and a timeline below that. If you can't see all the timeline click on "View Full Timeline and History".
The full product timeline will have other manufacturers kits.
That's pretty neat Fred thanks for the tip !
:thumbsup:
Quote from: ysi_maniac on August 31, 2016, 04:28:31 PM
I was molded in 1960. Am I acceptable? ;D
Joke aside. Can a model done basically with VEB Plasticart Boeing 707 and Frog/Novo/Eastern Express Britannia?
Hmmm, historical Plasticart did a DC-8, not a 707, so, if you have a Plasticart 707, must be a VERY modern and unknown to me mould. ;)
On the other side, if what you have is a DC-8, I can officially certify that the moulds you propose using are MUCH older than 1985. :thumbsup:
Quote from: loupgarou on August 31, 2016, 12:10:11 PM
Are wood kits from before the advent of plastics allowed? :rolleyes: ;D
In my view, certainly ;D
Quote from: sandiego89 on August 31, 2016, 02:08:42 PM
Chris, I think the rules are great- I like a hard calendar date of the 1st and 31st to start and stop as it is easy to remember, but as GMT can throw some off, perhaps the start/finish time should be from where you sit. Those in Tonga and Guam can kick things off....
-Dave
Changed to "all times local" :thumbsup:
Quote from: Rheged on September 01, 2016, 02:25:01 AM
...... I'm a 1952 model.
As am I, although I suppose the tooling commenced in 1951 ? :o
With some thinking that 1985 isn't that long ago I had a little think, working nights does that to me, and realised that is Thirty One years ago!! :o
So that's roughly one generation!
Gondor
On some basis, it's two generations :banghead:
Quote from: Captain Canada on August 31, 2016, 07:51:30 PM
That will be half the fun of this GB, seeing peoples oldies collections !
:thumbsup:
I happen to know that you have an XF-90 somewhere... ;)
Close.....
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Dang, my memory is going. I remember picking it up in a consignment load at a now defunct hobby shop in Mississauga, same time as I got that awful old MiG-19 that got turned into the Flunker.
Quote from: Captain Canada on September 01, 2016, 07:07:49 PM
Close.....
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Looks like the F-19 Stealth kits only came out in 1986 so they are off the list. Same for the SR-75 Penetrator. :-X
I do have a few old Kopro kits which are easily dated back to the 1970s along with some Matchbox kits.
1. I will be mashing up two FROG kits.
2. I propose The Old Git GB - only open to forum members born before 1966
^^^^^
Agreed! ;D :wacko:
Quote from: kitbasher on September 03, 2016, 03:27:08 AM
2. I propose The Old Git GB - only open to forum members born before 1966
Huh, Old?
To misquote Crocodile Dundee 'THAT'S not old, before
1946 is old! ;D ;)
I've got a couple of old Javelins, if I can get my butt into gear one of them may get Viggenised!
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That looks very interesting Ratty :thumbsup:
Quote from: Nick on September 02, 2016, 03:10:40 AM
Looks like the F-19 Stealth kits only came out in 1986 so they are off the list. Same for the SR-75 Penetrator. :-X
Nick the suggested rules specifically mention the date the original tools were produced not the kits. So given the time lag between tooling and kit production ? Ask the moderators (not me) via PM nicely and who knows ? :angel:
Quote from: The Rat on September 03, 2016, 06:51:37 PM
I've got a couple of old Javelins, if I can get my butt into gear one of them may get Viggenised!
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That's got my vote. Been trawling Ebay looking at old kits I used to make and the old Airfix Viggen is currently out in front, although their F-111 (1975/6?) re-boot keeps calling "build meeeeee".
Quote from: Librarian on September 04, 2016, 10:39:59 AM
Been trawling Ebay looking at old kits I used to make and the old Airfix Viggen is currently out in front, although their F-111 (1975/6?) re-boot keeps calling "build meeeeee".
The Airfix F-111 was first produced around 1969-70 IIRC.
I did a dual review/conversion of it and the Revell kit for 'Scale Models Magazine' during 1970, just after the 20th TFW took their F-111Es on charge at Upper Heyford.
Quote from: NARSES2 on September 04, 2016, 06:37:18 AM
That looks very interesting Ratty :thumbsup:
Quote from: Nick on September 02, 2016, 03:10:40 AM
Looks like the F-19 Stealth kits only came out in 1986 so they are off the list. Same for the SR-75 Penetrator. :-X
Nick the suggested rules specifically mention the date the original tools were produced not the kits. So given the time lag between tooling and kit production ? Ask the moderators (not me) via PM nicely and who knows ? :angel:
Thanks for the thought Chris. I'm not too fussed to be honest as I have several old kits in the stash :rolleyes: and total modellers block. :banghead:
Wow, a GB where both my models and I qualify. :thumbsup:
OK, I've got a few weeks down time in October so I should be able to totally stuff up some plastic. Ive got 3 in mind:
1. The Hasegawa Lightning F6 that according to Scalemates dates back to FROG mouldings in 1968 (That fact scares the willies outta me, that old?). Trouble is I don't like the way the Lightning looks so its plastic surgery time :wacko:
2 & 3. The Airfix DVa that (from the same source) goes back to 1957 and the Airfix Camel that also goes back to 1957. Trouble here is that I hate biplanes and am developing an aversion to wheels. Hmmm ....
Should be fun.
I hope
I have to ask.
If you hate biplanes why do you have them in your stash?
Quote from: zenrat on September 06, 2016, 02:46:08 AM
I have to ask.
If you hate biplanes why do you have them in your stash?
They were cheap ? :rolleyes:
The old Airfix Re 8 still gives me nightmares :o Mind you when using the tube glue at the time you could do the rigging simultaneously to fixing the struts :rolleyes:
Quote from: Modelling_Mushi on September 05, 2016, 10:04:54 PM
1. The Hasegawa Lightning F6 that according to Scalemates dates back to FROG mouldings in 1968 (That fact scares the willies outta me, that old?). Trouble is I don't like the way the Lightning looks so its plastic surgery time :wacko:
Actually it was the other way round. FROG got a licence, and some moulds I guess, to make the Hasegawa F6 in the UK.
Quote from: NARSES2 on August 31, 2016, 06:42:54 AM
I'm afraid I can't work out how to include stories or profiles in an old kit GB so I think this GB will be purely for models.
A suggestion Chris: Any profile subjects should date before 1986, you can use modern liveries if you wish "Kitbashed" profiles should be same as plastic, i.e. 60% should be of a subject dating before 1986. Anything sci-fi should be of a style before then. Alt histories should take place before then too.
Quote from: zenrat on September 06, 2016, 02:46:08 AM
I have to ask.
If you hate biplanes why do you have them in your stash?
Years ago when I got these 1/72 terrors I could see better, now with worse sight and less patience the rigging and strut work hasn't helped.
Quote from: Flyer on September 06, 2016, 03:28:10 AM
To make them into monoplanes? To have inanimate objects to vent some hate on? Acquired hatred after kit purchases? Gifts?
;D I keep them to fuel my sadomasochistic streak and to assuage my remnant protestant guilt complex. A monoplane looks like an option, yes, but maybe a variant monoplane.
Quote from: NARSES2 on September 06, 2016, 06:57:33 AM
They were cheap ? :rolleyes:
The old Airfix Re 8 still gives me nightmares :o Mind you when using the tube glue at the time you could do the rigging simultaneously to fixing the struts :rolleyes:
Yeah, I think around the AUD 3 mark each at an old swap n' sell.
Truth be told, an Airfix Camel was my first kit. I was 5 and we lived in Canberra. I remember my dad taking me into Peter Pans Toy-store after I'd pestered him about it (I'd been to an older friends birthday party and he'd got a kit as a present) and he looked at the shelves. He said something like "The modern planes are more complex than the early ones, so the kits must be the same". Walked out with a bagged Airfix Camel and a tube of glue. He made the kit for me that afternoon. He also taught me how to swear (being ex Navy he was good at that), scowl and get glue fingerprints on mum's furniture the same day. He never built another one in his life. I've kept on for most of the last 45 odd years.
Thanks Mushi.
My Dad built three for me before I took over. All Airfix. Lightning, Freedom Fighter and Battle.
As well as becoming monoplanes, biplanes are very well suited to becoming both autogiros and (at risk of giving away future plans) ornithopters.
I had a senior moment then. I could not remember the word ornithopter (velociraptor kept coming to mind for some reason) and had to goggle "flapping wing aircraft".
Point of interest. The Monogram B-36 and the Matchbox Privateer both date back to 1980.
And, i've just realised that I have no end of car kits that date from before the era of Scott & Charlene so I can knock something up from one of them.
Quote from: loupgarou on August 31, 2016, 12:10:11 PM
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on August 31, 2016, 06:51:21 AM
Thank you very much, Chris, as well as Crudebuteffective and Kitbasher.
Time to dig through the dusty corners of the pile...
As a side note - if in doubt, scalemates.com is a good source to track down a kit/model's origins. Wonder who comes up with the most ancient mould model/whif/entry?
Don't tempt me! ;D
I have a LARGE choice of early kits.
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Are wood kits from before the advent of plastics allowed? :rolleyes: ;D
Looking forward to seeing how you merge the Coastal Tanker with the C-47 and 109 ;D ;D
Quote from: Leading Observer on September 07, 2016, 06:03:51 AM
Looking forward to seeing how you merge the Coastal Tanker with the C-47 and 109 ;D ;D
You're giving me ideas! ;D ;D
Here's an embarrassing question... does it have to be "whif"or can it be OOB? (I may not have read the rules properly, bear with me... it's been a long day in the heat)
I have more before '85 toolings than post so I have plenty of stuff to choose from but not all of it destined for whiffery. ;D ;D
Quote from: TheChronicOne on September 08, 2016, 01:46:16 PM
Here's an embarrassing question... does it have to be "whif"or can it be OOB? (I may not have read the rules properly, bear with me... it's been a long day in the heat)
I have more before '85 toolings than post so I have plenty of stuff to choose from but not all of it destined for whiffery. ;D ;D
There's a clue in the name of the forum... ;D
Yup needs to be a wif. However can be as subtle as you like.
Thanks. I'm a dip#^@& sometimes. I think my blood pressure bottomed out on me yesterday after hours out working in the heat with high humidity. Anyway, I have a good idea for a whif from the western hemisphere. I won't divulge any more than that. ;)
Quote from: zenrat on September 09, 2016, 02:24:12 AM
Quote from: TheChronicOne on September 08, 2016, 01:46:16 PM
Here's an embarrassing question... does it have to be "whif"or can it be OOB? (I may not have read the rules properly, bear with me... it's been a long day in the heat)
I have more before '85 toolings than post so I have plenty of stuff to choose from but not all of it destined for whiffery. ;D ;D
There's a clue in the name of the forum... ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D That had me chuckling away for some time.
It was a good one alright! I laughed, too. ;D
lol that is a good one !
:angel:
Quote from: TheChronicOne on September 09, 2016, 04:27:44 PM
It was a good one alright! I laughed, too. ;D
Good. I did think afterwards I might have been a bit blunt. :unsure:
Quote from: zenrat on September 10, 2016, 04:15:03 AM
Quote from: TheChronicOne on September 09, 2016, 04:27:44 PM
It was a good one alright! I laughed, too. ;D
Good. I did think afterwards I might have been a bit blunt. :unsure:
Not at all!! That type of humor is right up my alley, bud! I meant to reply with a bunch of laughing face but it slipped my mind I guess. I worked for a while in the construction industries and something's wrong if you're NOT joking and telling each other where to go and how quickly.. ;) ;D ;D
Agreed, But when you can see the person you're winding up you can tell when to stop. It's hard to tell sometimes on the interweb and some people are soooooooo sensitive...
You could build OOB using the kit decals and accurate paint colours and then change the colour of the pilot's scarf. By the (IMO) overly obsessive standards of some RW modellers that would be enough to make the build "wrong" and therefore a whiff.
Quote from: zenrat on September 11, 2016, 04:21:39 AM
You could build OOB using the kit decals and accurate paint colours and then change the colour of the pilot's scarf. By the (IMO) overly obsessive standards of some RW modellers that would be enough to make the build "wrong" and therefore a whiff.
I've seen an argument develop over the number of kill markings an aircraft was carrying when compared to the date on the label which described it :o They were arguing over one or two if I remember rightly.
Quote from: zenrat on September 11, 2016, 04:21:39 AM
Agreed, But when you can see the person you're winding up you can tell when to stop. It's hard to tell sometimes on the interweb and some people are soooooooo sensitive...
You could build OOB using the kit decals and accurate paint colours and then change the colour of the pilot's scarf. By the (IMO) overly obsessive standards of some RW modellers that would be enough to make the build "wrong" and therefore a whiff.
I know what ya mean.. I've taken on an overly cautious demeanor on the web because of that. Tone, body language, etc, doesn't translate into print so it's easy to have someone bent out of shape. Hell, I've done it a few times! The problem is the reader views what they are reading through the lens of their own mood at the time.
On the scarf... yeah, in my mind that wouldn't be enough to qualify for whif but joyless people gon' be joyless! ;D
Quote from: NARSES2 on September 11, 2016, 06:49:39 AM
Quote from: zenrat on September 11, 2016, 04:21:39 AM
You could build OOB using the kit decals and accurate paint colours and then change the colour of the pilot's scarf. By the (IMO) overly obsessive standards of some RW modellers that would be enough to make the build "wrong" and therefore a whiff.
I've seen an argument develop over the number of kill markings an aircraft was carrying when compared to the date on the label which described it :o They were arguing over one or two if I remember rightly.
:o On one hand, I get it, on the other hand, that's a bit much!! Accuracy is something to be strived for in some cases but getting into a heated debate over it seems counter productive if ya ask me...
The best thing about building Whiffs is you can make it YOUR way and you can write, and re-write, the backstory to suit any and all changes you make during the build.
And NO-ONE can tell you you're wrong! ;D ;) :thumbsup:
I thought a couple of early Magna or MPM kits might be eligible for this build but checking Scalemates the ones I thought might be aren't :banghead: Oh well back to the drawing board.
Anyway I'll get the GB boards etc sorted out sometime in the next week or so, but I'll need to finalise the In the Navy GB first with the poll etc. Cheers for your input lads :thumbsup:
OK, usually i don't join group builds. I'm to slow to complete the project in time :banghead:
But one needs a challenge, so why not join this group build?? This is what I had in mind:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8480/29386600440_8e141c1bff_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LLN1uQ)IMG_20160914_163828153 (https://flic.kr/p/LLN1uQ) by David Dunnebier (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jetsonsspecial/), on Flickr
Yes, that's one 1/96 Revell H-16 Piasecki and two Revell (Matchbox original) Twin Otters. I hope this entry is eligable: the Revell kit is old as the last dinosaurs (1955) and the molds of the Twin otter are, according to Scalemates, from 1983.
Cheers!
David
Yup fine
I have a question! This would be my first group build, ever, and am pretty excited. I found some great source material... but the kit I want to build was already started... The fuselage is glued together and the wings are glued together.. (but not attached to each other) and the gear doors have been painted on the inside. Otherwise it's a virgin kit. My research at scalemates tells me it's a 1979 boxing with the new tool released in 1978. So.. the tool is prior to '85. So I have that locked up. Only problem is like I said about the already done stuff... but uhhh... it was done by the previous owner.
Does this count?
I have a Frog Martin Baltimore in the stash which I guess meets the criteria - I'm thinking South Americas
i got the airfix Beagle Basset, unfortunately not a original but the recent kick-starter, but i believe its from the original molds so does it count?
Quote from: 63cpe on September 14, 2016, 07:54:10 AM
OK, usually i don't join group builds. I'm to slow to complete the project in time :banghead:
But one needs a challenge, so why not join this group build?? This is what I had in mind:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8480/29386600440_8e141c1bff_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LLN1uQ)IMG_20160914_163828153 (https://flic.kr/p/LLN1uQ) by David Dunnebier (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jetsonsspecial/), on Flickr
Yes, that's one 1/96 Revell H-16 Piasecki and two Revell (Matchbox original) Twin Otters. I hope this entry is eligable: the Revell kit is old as the last dinosaurs (1955) and the molds of the Twin otter are, according to Scalemates, from 1983.
Cheers!
David
Love that box art.
Well, the Monogram 1/72 Bearcat is from 1976 but the Airfix 1/72 P-80 is 3 years older, so it fits in perfectly, and i even get to join two GBs simultaneously with it, it's also going to be my build for the Any type of Whiffery GB on the UAMF forum. :thumbsup:
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:cheers:
Quote from: TheChronicOne on September 14, 2016, 10:09:56 AM
I have a question! This would be my first group build, ever, and am pretty excited. I found some great source material... but the kit I want to build was already started... The fuselage is glued together and the wings are glued together.. (but not attached to each other) and the gear doors have been painted on the inside. Otherwise it's a virgin kit. My research at scalemates tells me it's a 1979 boxing with the new tool released in 1978. So.. the tool is prior to '85. So I have that locked up. Only problem is like I said about the already done stuff... but uhhh... it was done by the previous owner.
Does this count?
PM the Moderators and ask them it is their decision
Quote from: lenny100 on September 14, 2016, 03:10:39 PM
i got the airfix Beagle Basset, unfortunately not a original but the recent kick-starter, but i believe its from the original molds so does it count?
Rule 2 states it's the age of the origional moulds that count. So any repop is fine
Rule 2
An old kit is considered to be any kit where the moulds were originally tooled before 1st January 1985. Any boxing using those moulds is perfectly acceptable. Transfers (decals if you must) can be of any age you choose to use. In the case of kitbashes or the use of the aftermarket, 60% of the finished model must be from the original pre 1985 tools or toolings.
Quote from: DogfighterZen on September 15, 2016, 06:04:41 AM
Well, the Monogram 1/72 Bearcat is from 1976
I plan on using the Revell repop of the Monogram Bearcat and when I checked it on Scalemates it said 1967.
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/102303-revell-04680-f8f-1-bearcat (https://www.scalemates.com/kits/102303-revell-04680-f8f-1-bearcat)
Quote from: NARSES2 on September 11, 2016, 06:49:39 AM
Quote from: zenrat on September 11, 2016, 04:21:39 AM
You could build OOB using the kit decals and accurate paint colours and then change the colour of the pilot's scarf. By the (IMO) overly obsessive standards of some RW modellers that would be enough to make the build "wrong" and therefore a whiff.
I've seen an argument develop over the number of kill markings an aircraft was carrying when compared to the date on the label which described it :o They were arguing over one or two if I remember rightly.
Didn't Wooksta do something like that just to wind up the rivet counters?
He's done similar but what his intentions were I don't know
I've got three currently shortlisted:
Revell Boing SST
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Airfix Vigilante
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi72.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi176%2FMossie105%2FModels%2FAirfix%2520Vigilante.jpg&hash=e2dda5ce016614e8e41423383baf2a96cf45c924) (http://s72.photobucket.com/user/Mossie105/media/Models/Airfix%20Vigilante.jpg.html)
MPC Daytona Transport Truck
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi72.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi176%2FMossie105%2FModels%2FMPC%2520Daytona%2520Transport%2520Truck.jpg&hash=c59361554c98d0494be099ca648cc4c8aaa2fd5d) (http://s72.photobucket.com/user/Mossie105/media/Models/MPC%20Daytona%20Transport%20Truck.jpg.html)
First one will be OOB, but with decals that I need to acquire. Second one will look roughly the same, I have two Vigi's and need to purloin a Tomcat nose (maybe). Third one won't look anything like the box, I've got all the parts for this one so it's coming top at the minute. That's if I don't change my mind, I've got a Revell Gruman Panther, Revell Rotodyne, Airfix Rotodyne and Airfix Shooting Star that might yet.
They all definitely fit the bill. The only one I've got in mind that might not involves a Revell Victor wing and tail with a scratch built fuselage, it's on the edge of the 60% rule?
I have a pair of aircraft kits (FROG and Kovozavody) with both moulds from the relevant pre 85 era earmarked for the GB, planning a kitbash.
And I am certain that I'll find more candidates in the stash...
Quote from: NARSES2 on September 15, 2016, 06:16:16 AM
Quote from: TheChronicOne on September 14, 2016, 10:09:56 AM
I have a question! This would be my first group build, ever, and am pretty excited. I found some great source material... but the kit I want to build was already started... The fuselage is glued together and the wings are glued together.. (but not attached to each other) and the gear doors have been painted on the inside. Otherwise it's a virgin kit. My research at scalemates tells me it's a 1979 boxing with the new tool released in 1978. So.. the tool is prior to '85. So I have that locked up. Only problem is like I said about the already done stuff... but uhhh... it was done by the previous owner.
Does this count?
PM the Moderators and ask them it is their decision
Thanks, bud! I should have known that... :banghead: I'll get it together eventually.. :thumbsup:
Quote from: NARSES2 on September 15, 2016, 06:22:41 AM
Quote from: DogfighterZen on September 15, 2016, 06:04:41 AM
Well, the Monogram 1/72 Bearcat is from 1976
I plan on using the Revell repop of the Monogram Bearcat and when I checked it on Scalemates it said 1967.
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/102303-revell-04680-f8f-1-bearcat (https://www.scalemates.com/kits/102303-revell-04680-f8f-1-bearcat)
Well, i guess i got the numbers in the wrong order... ;D
But at least my kit had the 1976 molded on to it.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1383.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fah318%2Frui_reis2%2FIMG_25081.jpg&hash=9da99c1e34c6e8b8d123382a06ee46d8affb33e2) (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/rui_reis2/media/IMG_25081.jpg.html)
Maybe that's only the copyright date? :unsure:
I think I have hardly any post-1985 kit in my stash/collection! ;D
Tempted to resurrect the Heller J-29 I wanted to build for the Navy GB, and didn't touch. It's allowed to re-"use" a kit for successive GB, if no work has been done whatsoever?
Or, I have a big box of russian Frog-spawn Britannias and some pretty ideas. :wacko:
Quote from: DogfighterZen on September 15, 2016, 11:17:53 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on September 15, 2016, 06:22:41 AM
Quote from: DogfighterZen on September 15, 2016, 06:04:41 AM
Well, the Monogram 1/72 Bearcat is from 1976
I plan on using the Revell repop of the Monogram Bearcat and when I checked it on Scalemates it said 1967.
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/102303-revell-04680-f8f-1-bearcat (https://www.scalemates.com/kits/102303-revell-04680-f8f-1-bearcat)
Well, i guess i got the numbers in the wrong order... ;D
But at least my kit had the 1976 molded on to it.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1383.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fah318%2Frui_reis2%2FIMG_25081.jpg&hash=9da99c1e34c6e8b8d123382a06ee46d8affb33e2) (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/rui_reis2/media/IMG_25081.jpg.html)
Maybe that's only the copyright date? :unsure:
Added to the mould at that date, the kit itself is definitely of '60s origin.
Absolutely as Mr Carrfarrelly says :thumbsup:
Just to reiterate it's not the date your particular boxing of the kit was made but the date it was originally tooled or if you prefer and it makes it easier the date it originally went on sale.
Yep, i checked scalemates and that makes it the second 1967 mold i've built so far, the other one was the Airfix 1/72 F6F Hellcat. :thumbsup:
But that was not the oldest, Monogram's P-40B dates back to 1964... :bow:
Those Monogram 60's era kits were outstanding for their time and still hold up well in the Revell boxings. I've lots of fond memories of Christmas and a Monogram 1/48th aircraft :thumbsup:.
Right. I've finished adding original mould dates to my stash spreadsheet. I think i've worn Scalemates out.
40% of my stash dates from before 1985.
The oldest is a 1956 box scale Revell kit which I am thinking of combining with a 1957 (or '72 - can't be sure) Airfix.
That's in addition to the Beaufighter Trimotor using the 1958 Airfix mould.
i have a smaller number of old 30+ year old kits, i have a a few ideas with them.
count me in :thumbsup:
Quote from: zenrat on September 18, 2016, 05:03:55 AM
Right. I've finished adding original mould dates to my stash spreadsheet. I think i've worn Scalemates out.
Must admit I could really do with sorting a spreadsheet out for my stash. What categories do you have on yours ?
Quote from: NARSES2 on September 18, 2016, 06:29:30 AM
Quote from: zenrat on September 18, 2016, 05:03:55 AM
Right. I've finished adding original mould dates to my stash spreadsheet. I think i've worn Scalemates out.
Must admit I could really do with sorting a spreadsheet out for my stash. What categories do you have on yours ?
If it's of any help, I use an Excel file for my kits, and columns are:
Brand / Make / Model / Cat No / Scale / Quantity / Price paid /Photo / Box type / Notes
like this:
ITC / Martin / MB-2 / 3725 / 78 / I / XXX / P / full art / missing decals
where make is the original aircraft manufacturer. As I am mostly a collector, box type is important for me, and I snap a photo of each kit to avoid duplications, if possible. For a pure builder, I suppose photo and box type columns are unnecessary.
Cheers
If I get my mojo back and my butt in gear I'll have a go. Have loads of qualifying kits, current thoughts are a kit-bash of Matchbox F4U Corsair, EE Lightning & F7U Tigercat (F7U may be changed to something else coz I'm reluctant to chop up my T/cat). Jet He219 (Revell) with bits from EE Lightning, F-105 & YF16 also being considered. Both inspired by a Japanese animated movie.
Paul Harrison
Quote from: Green Dragon on September 18, 2016, 06:28:27 PM
If I get my mojo back and my butt in gear I'll have a go. Have loads of qualifying kits, current thoughts are a kit-bash of Matchbox F4U Corsair, EE Lightning & F7U Tigercat (F7U may be changed to something else coz I'm reluctant to chop up my T/cat). Jet He219 (Revell) with bits from EE Lightning, F-105 & YF16 also being considered. Both inspired by a Japanese animated movie.
Paul Harrison
Let's do it!! You can get your mojo back and this is my first ever GB! A rookie and a vet giving it a whirl.. it'll be fun. :lol:
If I can ever find some time to model again I've had a project that suits this GB in hand for ages!
The bits have even appeared in a thread on here already but as I haven't actually glued anything together I guess it qualifies, the basic kit being the FROG Sea Vixen of waaaaaay back when.
Quote from: loupgarou on September 18, 2016, 06:41:22 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on September 18, 2016, 06:29:30 AM
Quote from: zenrat on September 18, 2016, 05:03:55 AM
Right. I've finished adding original mould dates to my stash spreadsheet. I think i've worn Scalemates out.
Must admit I could really do with sorting a spreadsheet out for my stash. What categories do you have on yours ?
If it's of any help, I use an Excel file for my kits, and columns are:
Brand / Make / Model / Cat No / Scale / Quantity / Price paid /Photo / Box type / Notes
like this:
ITC / Martin / MB-2 / 3725 / 78 / I / XXX / P / full art / missing decals
where make is the original aircraft manufacturer. As I am mostly a collector, box type is important for me, and I snap a photo of each kit to avoid duplications, if possible. For a pure builder, I suppose photo and box type columns are unnecessary.
I have Aircraft/Manufacturer (of kit)/Date of Mould/Modifications/Schemes/Thoughts & Notes
The last 3 being sort of interchangeable but generally Ideas go in thoughts and notes and then get moved into schemes and modifications as they firm up. I also put in modifications details of which parts I have pinched already.
Slight change to the rules because I can't read a calendar :banghead:
1st Oct is a Saturday not Tuesday !
Cheers Mossie :thumbsup:
Okay I missed the In The Navy GB entirely due to a combination of illness, events, DIY attacks and lost mojo, but having reacquired the latter, I would like to do the following model for Old Kit GB please.
It's the Hasegawa Grumman Cougar, which dates from 1978 and is therefore well within the 1985 cut off point, Scalemates link here: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/137596-hasegawa-b23-grumman-f9f-8-cougar
However it's part-started. The upper wings have been glued onto the lowers, the cockpit front and aft bulkheads have been glued in, the two halves of the seat have been glued together, a couple of small spacers have been glued into the fuselage, and some grey paint (undercoat) has been sprayed around. Picture below:
(https://www.minds.com/archive/thumbnail/625707103079636992/xlarge)
Is this level of part-started acceptable? No problem if it isn't, I'll just do the Tiger that came after it.
PM inbound.
Quote from: Mossie on September 06, 2016, 04:03:13 PM
Quote from: NARSES2 on August 31, 2016, 06:42:54 AM
I'm afraid I can't work out how to include stories or profiles in an old kit GB so I think this GB will be purely for models.
A suggestion Chris: Any profile subjects should date before 1986, you can use modern liveries if you wish "Kitbashed" profiles should be same as plastic, i.e. 60% should be of a subject dating before 1986. Anything sci-fi should be of a style before then. Alt histories should take place before then too.
I imagine another possible way: no computer work (computers were very rare in homes in 1985) but pencil work only, on paper (pencil and paper were tools of the middle age!), could that be an addendum to the rules? (ahem, of course to be presented here on a web forum, the pencil-paper work should be scanned or photographed and there were no scanners nor cameras in the middle age, but this is the same for models; a model tooled in 1980 and photographed with a new camera of 2015 is acceptable I think) :unsure: :-\
Here's a possible suggestion: One wanting to do a profile must choose an actual kit that fits the criteria, then, whip up a profile based on said subject-matter/kit.
Quote from: Tophe on September 27, 2016, 09:54:25 AM
I imagine another possible way: no computer work (computers were very rare in homes in 1985)
Well I had one then, but it was an Amstrad CPC 664 8 bit machine.
But it wasn't really suitable for graphics work, even very low resolution work back then. Later software and hardware upgrades did give it some sort of graphics capability, but even then is was a] slow and b] somewhat crude.
Quote from: Weaver on September 22, 2016, 08:04:23 AM
It's the Hasegawa Grumman Cougar, which dates from 1978 and is therefore well within the 1985 cut off point, Scalemates link here: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/137596-hasegawa-b23-grumman-f9f-8-cougar
However it's part-started. The upper wings have been glued onto the lowers, the cockpit front and aft bulkheads have been glued in, the two halves of the seat have been glued together, a couple of small spacers have been glued into the fuselage, and some grey paint (undercoat) has been sprayed around. Picture below:
Is this level of part-started acceptable? No problem if it isn't, I'll just do the Tiger that came after it.
Okay the mods have decided that this one's too far gone for the 'part started' rule: entirely understandable and I have no problem with that decision. To be honest, I'd forgotten that I'd glued the wings together before I got it out of the box.
Instead I'll be doing a (completely unstarted) Hasegawa Grumman F11-F1 Tiger in RN service. This moulding dates from 1981 according to Scalemates: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/331197-hasegawa-d017-grumman-f11f-1-tiger
Since the Cougar preceded the Tiger in RN service in my timeline, I might work on the Cougar as a non-GB project anyway, since they can share some of the paint-spraying (white undercoat/underside and EDSG topsides).
Quote from: Tophe on September 27, 2016, 09:54:25 AM
I imagine another possible way: no computer work (computers were very rare in homes in 1985) but pencil work only, on paper (pencil and paper were tools of the middle age!), could that be an addendum to the rules? (ahem, of course to be presented here on a web forum, the pencil-paper work should be scanned or photographed and there were no scanners nor cameras in the middle age, but this is the same for models; a model tooled in 1980 and photographed with a new camera of 2015 is acceptable I think) :unsure: :-\
Personally I like that idea Tophe :thumbsup:
One for the Mods to ponder
Getting back in the what-if game for this group build. I've been working hard on real-world projects for a while and need the mental break from careful detail and historical fidelity.
I don't know the mould date, but judging by the box, the instructions, the transfers, and the amount of flash, I don't think anyone will disagree this fits:
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I'm going to whif it up as a Patchwork World Dutch fighter-bomber.
Awesome!! Sounds good. Looks like my kit:
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I think yours is also like mine, a re-box of the initial Frog kit.
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/147799-frog-f295-sea-venom-f-a-w-mk-21-53-strike-fighter
Have fun with your plan. Sounds good to me. ;D
Interesting box and brand. Never seen it, what's the brand name? SCAT?
Yes, I'd bet it's the old Frog one.
What's that Sea Venom doing? Shooting ships along the Suez Canal without the appropriate stripes? (https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aerosoph.net%2FHTML-version_Forum_Archive%2FSmilies%2Ficon_eek.gif&hash=e1c5c41dfb8f957c0a761bdbbb06420ace7f7fc9) It's a No-No! (https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aerosoph.net%2FHTML-version_Forum_Archive%2FSmilies%2FTrilly-93-68.gif&hash=0bd793b696e8a401e5030e8688399c352b8ad17a) ;D
Quote from: loupgarou on September 29, 2016, 12:06:32 PM
Interesting box and brand. Never seen it, what's the brand name? SCAT?
Yes, I'd bet it's the old Frog one.
What's that Sea Venom doing? Shooting ships along the Suez Canal without the appropriate stripes? (https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aerosoph.net%2FHTML-version_Forum_Archive%2FSmilies%2Ficon_eek.gif&hash=e1c5c41dfb8f957c0a761bdbbb06420ace7f7fc9) It's a No-No! (https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aerosoph.net%2FHTML-version_Forum_Archive%2FSmilies%2FTrilly-93-68.gif&hash=0bd793b696e8a401e5030e8688399c352b8ad17a) ;D
Well that makes it a whif!
Yes, I do need a one week extension to complete my whif! So please, please, please........ Decals are posted from the other side of the planet and most likely arrive just before christmas. Think i'll be spraying and masking last week of the year. I'll hope this trouble will all be worth it.... I promise to hurry-up!
David
Yeah, I'm thinking I could use an extra week, as well. Not for lack of trying to get the thing done but around a dozen things have conspired against me on my Spyplane whif. The latest being a customer of mine canceling today's work which would have allowed me to buy some needed matte or satin clear. Some of the setbacks are my own doing such as repeatedly breaking things but most of it has been because I'm broke and have only within the last week or two been able to buy needed things like the paint. I've been dumping tons of hours into this and started 2 months or more ago so it's not like I waited until near the end of the build to start it. ;D
I still might be able to pull it off by the 1st but I better prepare now for missing that deadline.
Thanks!