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Right here is the poll for the choice of this coming season's GB's. As per usual we will have 3 (plus the 1 week GB which kicks off next week) and provisionally they will be June/Aug : Sep/Nov : Dec/Feb. each will be 13 weeks with 2 weeks allowed for the inevitable extension.

Some explanations for a couple of the categories. The discussion threads will have more information :-

Vice/Verse : For example you can convert an aircraft to helicopter ; military to civil ; Jet to propeller etc and any other switch your fertile minds can come up with.

Anniversary : If this comes into the top 3 we will have a run off vote to pick the actual anniversary (or more likely year) to be modelled.

Paint shop in a time warp : paint a WW! subject in WWII or modern colours or WWII in WWI or Modern or Modern in WWI/WWII etc

The Lets be Different GB : This is the category where I've included those subjects nominated that I don't feel stand much of a chance on their own but may just get a sniff if grouped with other like minded ideas. If it comes in the top 3 you will have to choose one of these sub categories :- Primary Colour GB : Model Your Surname GB : Going to Extremes GB : Surname to Country GB : Magic No GB :

You can see a further discussion of these categories in the discussion thread

10 days to vote and the top 3 go through. There will be a run off in the event of a tie.

I also need volunteers to moderate. Without moderators it will be difficult to run them. So if you would like to help please put your hand up now

Thanks

Chris

We have some early leaders

Voted! I even have kits in the stash for my choices (but will likely buy more, shhhh don't tell Mrs. Sandiego89)

Thank you Chris!

-Dave

Voted. I hope "In the Navy" doesn't mean just the usual RN or USN ones, but ANY navy in the world, like the austrian or the swiss ones... ;D

BTW, I'd like to thank all the volunteer moderators. I am enjoying the forum and the various GB very much, even if I never seem to be able to build anything. :rolleyes:

hi

I am happy to moderate again

CBE

Please don't vote for the Frog/Novo GB (which I assume will include A Model, Mach 2, PM et al).  Its bad enough that I bought the things.  I shouldn't have to build them as well...
:o

Quote from: zenrat on April 23, 2016, 12:26:01 AM
Please don't vote for the Frog/Novo GB (which I assume will include A Model, Mach 2, PM et al).  Its bad enough that I bought the things.  I shouldn't have to build them as well...
:o

No no no!  That's what they are for!!

If this does become a GB then http://www.frogmodelaircraft.co.uk/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=12&sid=0b7cea5be7b907ca030348871eb7bf6f and http://www.frogmodelaircraft.co.uk/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=7&sid=0b7cea5be7b907ca030348871eb7bf6f can help identify what should be within scope.

Quote from: zenrat on April 23, 2016, 12:26:01 AM
Please don't vote for the Frog/Novo GB (which I assume will include A Model, Mach 2, PM et al).  Its bad enough that I bought the things.  I shouldn't have to build them as well...
:o

What's wrong with Frog/Novo kits?  :o I consider them perfectly normal kits to build. ;D On the other side, I stopped modelling around 1974, and re-started recently, buying old kits... don't think I have any "modern/newfangled" Tamigawa style ones.  ;D
BTW, I don't think any A Model, Mach 2, PM etc is of Frog origin, a Frog/Novo GB should include only Frog-spawn kits. ;)

Done my bit!

So its not just a "bad kit" GB?  It is specifically Frog/Novo kits?

I got a couple of cheap Frog Arado Ar-234's recently and they look very nice (and have LOTS of spare bits for whiffery).

On the other hand, you get things like the Gannet, which manage to simultaneously feature:

Too much plastic where you don't want it
(the u/c bays are incorrectly faired over and there's a totally spurious grill in the intakes)

AND

Too little plastic where you do want it
(nothing in the cockpit except two heads on a shelf)

Quote from: zenrat on April 23, 2016, 04:43:46 AM
So its not just a "bad kit" GB?  It is specifically Frog/Novo kits?

It's not a "bad kit" GB as that would be to subjective (besides not everyone has 15 Unicraft kits in their stash !). It's really an "old kit" GB. I'm assuming Frog/Novo was a term employed to indicate that. So any early (and that to is subjective  :banghead:) kits would be included. So Frog/Novo, early Airfix, Revell, Lindberg, Aurora etc. We can argue about what early means latter. My personal preference would be pre 1980, but as said we can argue about that latter. The date agreed would also be for the original tooling, not latter reissues like the eternally issued Airfix Comet.

Please correct me if I missunderstood Dave I think it was your original idea

Quote from: crudebuteffective on April 22, 2016, 10:04:31 AM
hi

I am happy to moderate again

CBE

Thank you sir, duly noted  :thumbsup:

Ah, I see.
So thinking of my stash the Airfix Grumman Duck, SM79 & Rotodyne and the original Revell FW200 (all those lovely rivets) spring to mind.
I can do something with them.

Vote away everyone.

Quote from: zenrat on April 23, 2016, 05:42:50 AM
Ah, I see.
So thinking of my stash the Airfix Grumman Duck, SM79 & Rotodyne and the original Revell FW200 (all those lovely rivets) spring to mind.
I can do something with them.

Vote away everyone.

Yup, that's the way I see it anyway

Quote from: NARSES2 on April 23, 2016, 05:30:59 AM

Quote from: zenrat on April 23, 2016, 04:43:46 AM
So its not just a "bad kit" GB?  It is specifically Frog/Novo kits?

It's not a "bad kit" GB as that would be to subjective (besides not everyone has 15 Unicraft kits in their stash !). It's really an "old kit" GB. I'm assuming Frog/Novo was a term employed to indicate that. So any early (and that to is subjective  :banghead:) kits would be included. So Frog/Novo, early Airfix, Revell, Lindberg, Aurora etc. We can argue about what early means latter. My personal preference would be pre 1980, but as said we can argue about that latter. The date agreed would also be for the original tooling, not latter reissues like the eternally issued Airfix Comet.

Please correct me if I missunderstood Dave I think it was your original idea

Aaah... now is clearer. BUT, the cut-off date would be for tooling OR issue? In the first case, the Airfix Comet (still from the old tools) would be OK, not in the second, but I think also the Duck and the SM 79 have been reissued post 1980 (or am I wrong?)

There's nothing wrong with a Frog Gannet that 4 x ex-Me262 Jumos can't fix.

I have the parts.
I have the idea.
I have an Attacker to take a knife to as well.
Bring on the GB.

oh come on people what about NO FIGURES there must be other uniform lovers out there

RANT BUTTON OFF

Frog/Novo old kit GB would be OK as I know I have several dogs in the stash. One is the chrome plated OV-10 in 1/48th.

Looking like about an 8-horse race, at the moment. :blink:


:tank: :tornado:

Quote from: loupgarou on April 23, 2016, 08:28:11 AM

Quote from: NARSES2 on April 23, 2016, 05:30:59 AM

Quote from: zenrat on April 23, 2016, 04:43:46 AM
So its not just a "bad kit" GB?  It is specifically Frog/Novo kits?

It's not a "bad kit" GB as that would be to subjective (besides not everyone has 15 Unicraft kits in their stash !). It's really an "old kit" GB. I'm assuming Frog/Novo was a term employed to indicate that. So any early (and that to is subjective  :banghead:) kits would be included. So Frog/Novo, early Airfix, Revell, Lindberg, Aurora etc. We can argue about what early means latter. My personal preference would be pre 1980, but as said we can argue about that latter. The date agreed would also be for the original tooling, not latter reissues like the eternally issued Airfix Comet.

Please correct me if I missunderstood Dave I think it was your original idea

Aaah... now is clearer. BUT, the cut-off date would be for tooling OR issue? In the first case, the Airfix Comet (still from the old tools) would be OK, not in the second, but I think also the Duck and the SM 79 have been reissued post 1980 (or am I wrong?)

Tooling surely?.  As long as it hasn't been modified then it remains the same kit is was when first produced.

Quote from: NARSES2 on April 23, 2016, 05:30:59 AM
the eternally issued Airfix Comet.

Oi, you leave the Airfix Comet alone - precisely the sort of old kit one can have bags of fun with.

Yes a complete pile of junk if you want to do a serious build, but for chopping and rearranging.....c'mon!

Quote from: zenrat on April 23, 2016, 10:39:06 PM

Quote from: loupgarou on April 23, 2016, 08:28:11 AM

Quote from: NARSES2 on April 23, 2016, 05:30:59 AM

Quote from: zenrat on April 23, 2016, 04:43:46 AM
So its not just a "bad kit" GB?  It is specifically Frog/Novo kits?

It's not a "bad kit" GB as that would be to subjective (besides not everyone has 15 Unicraft kits in their stash !). It's really an "old kit" GB. I'm assuming Frog/Novo was a term employed to indicate that. So any early (and that to is subjective  :banghead:) kits would be included. So Frog/Novo, early Airfix, Revell, Lindberg, Aurora etc. We can argue about what early means latter. My personal preference would be pre 1980, but as said we can argue about that latter. The date agreed would also be for the original tooling, not latter reissues like the eternally issued Airfix Comet.

Please correct me if I missunderstood Dave I think it was your original idea

Aaah... now is clearer. BUT, the cut-off date would be for tooling OR issue? In the first case, the Airfix Comet (still from the old tools) would be OK, not in the second, but I think also the Duck and the SM 79 have been reissued post 1980 (or am I wrong?)

Tooling surely?.  As long as it hasn't been modified then it remains the same kit is was when first produced.

But what if it has been modified though? Is an old Airfix Lightning still 'old' if it's the F.3 version that they made by modding the F.1 mould?

How about the Angel Interceptor, where they actually made it worse by converting it to snap-fit?

Quote from: Weaver on April 24, 2016, 06:13:04 AM

Quote from: zenrat on April 23, 2016, 10:39:06 PM

Quote from: loupgarou on April 23, 2016, 08:28:11 AM

Quote from: NARSES2 on April 23, 2016, 05:30:59 AM

Quote from: zenrat on April 23, 2016, 04:43:46 AM
So its not just a "bad kit" GB?  It is specifically Frog/Novo kits?

It's not a "bad kit" GB as that would be to subjective (besides not everyone has 15 Unicraft kits in their stash !). It's really an "old kit" GB. I'm assuming Frog/Novo was a term employed to indicate that. So any early (and that to is subjective  :banghead:) kits would be included. So Frog/Novo, early Airfix, Revell, Lindberg, Aurora etc. We can argue about what early means latter. My personal preference would be pre 1980, but as said we can argue about that latter. The date agreed would also be for the original tooling, not latter reissues like the eternally issued Airfix Comet.

Please correct me if I missunderstood Dave I think it was your original idea

Aaah... now is clearer. BUT, the cut-off date would be for tooling OR issue? In the first case, the Airfix Comet (still from the old tools) would be OK, not in the second, but I think also the Duck and the SM 79 have been reissued post 1980 (or am I wrong?)

Tooling surely?.  As long as it hasn't been modified then it remains the same kit is was when first produced.

But what if it has been modified though? Is an old Airfix Lightning still 'old' if it's the F.3 version that they made by modding the F.1 mould?

How about the Angel Interceptor, where they actually made it worse by converting it to snap-fit?

Maybe we allow modified tooling if they made the kit "worse"?
I had a look in my stash cupboard today.  The issue of the Airfix Grumman Duck I have is made with moulds so worn the raised rib detail on the upper wing is almost smooth along the centre of the wing.
The Revell Condor is 1971 issue and the Airfix SM79 is an original red stripe issue from 1967 and is therefore the same age as me.

Sorry I thought I was clearer. Old kits would be date of tooling, not issue.

As for modified tools. I'm not a lawyer and I'm not going there  :rolleyes:

Can all remaining voters please vote for Bad Idea.  I have something very silly I want to do to a Spitfire...

;D

3/4 days to go depending on where in the world you are and it's all very tight. To be honest the ones in front actually suprise me a little but then "you" lot are full of suprises  ;D

Quote from: NARSES2 on April 26, 2016, 06:43:27 AM
3/4 days

Before Mr Zenrat picks me up on it thats 3 to 4 days not three quarters of a day  ;D ;D I have a reputation for being a bit like that so it must be the Crystal Palace/Croydon air ?  :rolleyes:

Quote from: NARSES2 on April 26, 2016, 06:45:11 AM

Quote from: NARSES2 on April 26, 2016, 06:43:27 AM
3/4 days

Before Mr Zenrat picks me up on it thats 3 to 4 days not three quarters of a day  ;D ;D I have a reputation for being a bit like that so it must be the Crystal Palace/Croydon air ?  :rolleyes:

So in this case you mean Crystal Palace to Croydon, NOT an arithmetic division of Crystal Palace by Croydon ?  :rolleyes: ;D

I knew there would be one !!!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D

Should have been 3-4 not 3/4  :rolleyes:

Gondor

Then he say that we had -1  :rolleyes:

Quote from: NARSES2 on April 26, 2016, 07:43:00 AM
Then he say that we had -1  :rolleyes:

If its going to get that pedantic it should be 3 to 4 then

Gondor

I'm a bit surprised as well, by a few doing well, and a few doing poorly that I would have thought would have been clear vote getters.  I won't say which....

Goes to show we have a wider range of interests than you would perhaps think.  

Is "The Empire Survives" a specific Empire?

-Dave 

Well Dave, much as with the BTS GB poll, there's not anything there that peeks my interest.  But considering the 'construction season' is about to start at the airport I work at, I'll abstain from the voting ---

Very tight amongst the front-runners;

4 on 8 votes
2 on 9 votes &
2 on 10 votes

Quote from: sandiego89 on April 26, 2016, 11:56:39 AM
Is "The Empire Survives" a specific Empire?

My personal thought on this is that it shouldn't be, after all, there are so many to chose from!

British, Russia, German, Japanese, Spanish, Holy Roman, Roman, Egyptian ...

Quote from: NARSES2 on April 26, 2016, 06:45:11 AM

Quote from: NARSES2 on April 26, 2016, 06:43:27 AM
3/4 days

Before Mr Zenrat picks me up on it thats 3 to 4 days not three quarters of a day  ;D ;D I have a reputation for being a bit like that so it must be the Crystal Palace/Croydon air ?  :rolleyes:

I have no idea where this completely unjustified reputation as a pedant comes from. :unsure:
I actually lived on the South Croydon~Purley borders and then in Addiscombe.

Quote from: Old Wombat on April 26, 2016, 02:30:41 PM
Very tight amongst the front-runners;

4 on 8 votes
2 on 9 votes &
2 on 10 votes

Quote from: sandiego89 on April 26, 2016, 11:56:39 AM
Is "The Empire Survives" a specific Empire?

My personal thought on this is that it shouldn't be, after all, there are so many to chose from!

British, Russia, German, Japanese, Spanish, Holy Roman, Roman, Egyptian ...

Trigan.

I was trying to keep it down to Earth! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:




My true preference is, actually, limited & goes so far as to only include those which ended in the 20th Century ... but I'm not calling the shots. ;D

Sorry.

What is the Star Wars empire called?  It just seems to be referred to as "The Empire"

I think i'd have to choose The Mongol Empire for the GB.

Quote from: zenrat on April 27, 2016, 02:37:39 AM
Trigan.

Vilani Imperium
Rule of Man aka The Second Imperium
Third Imperium
Solomani Sphere
Zhodani Consulate
Aslan Hierate
The Two Thousand Worlds
Hiver Confederacy

and that's just from the Traveller RPG.... ;D

Quote from: Weaver on April 27, 2016, 05:14:03 AM

Quote from: zenrat on April 27, 2016, 02:37:39 AM
Trigan.

Vilani Imperium
Rule of Man aka The Second Imperium
Third Imperium
Solomani Sphere
Zhodani Consulate
Aslan Hierate
The Two Thousand Worlds
Hiver Confederacy

and that's just from the Traveller RPG.... ;D

I am sure there are some smaller confederations and the like especially once Stephen is assassinated

Gondor

Quote from: zenrat on April 27, 2016, 02:37:39 AM

I actually lived on the South Croydon~Purley borders and then in Addiscombe.

They must have been putting something in the water around those parts at some time. That's THREE of us on here who hail from that part of the world!  :o

Quote from: sandiego89 on April 26, 2016, 11:56:39 AM

Is "The Empire Survives" a specific Empire?

-Dave

As this was one of my submissions I'd better spell out what I had in mind. I was thinking of it covering any historical Empire you care to choose. We can discuss what constitutes an Empire if it gets enough votes.

I currently have a scenario where WWI is avoided and the old European Empires continue in particular the Austro-Hungarian. See here http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,38443.0.html (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,38443.0.html)

Quote from: zenrat on April 27, 2016, 02:37:39 AM

I actually lived on the South Croydon~Purley borders and then in Addiscombe.

Ah the posh bits  ;D I lived in Addiscombe (Tevan Rd) when I was married

Quote from: PR19_Kit on April 27, 2016, 06:33:51 AM

Quote from: zenrat on April 27, 2016, 02:37:39 AM

I actually lived on the South Croydon~Purley borders and then in Addiscombe.

They must have been putting something in the water around those parts at some time. That's THREE of us on here who hail from that part of the world!  :o

I spent a month in (South-) Croydon in 1967. Could I have been contaminated?   :o :rolleyes:

Quote from: loupgarou on April 27, 2016, 10:34:50 AM

Quote from: PR19_Kit on April 27, 2016, 06:33:51 AM

Quote from: zenrat on April 27, 2016, 02:37:39 AM

I actually lived on the South Croydon~Purley borders and then in Addiscombe.

They must have been putting something in the water around those parts at some time. That's THREE of us on here who hail from that part of the world!  :o

I spent a month in (South-) Croydon in 1967. Could I have been contaminated?   :o :rolleyes:

Without a doubt, that's why you're here of course.  ;)

On the march to the tube this morning I had a GB idea: Celebrity GB.

Assume the persona of a famous person, build a physical model as though you were them. 
Rule 1 - declare who you are.
Rule 2 - only one taker per character. First cone, first served.
Rule 3 - character may be dead or alive.
Rule 4 - first post when claiming to be a character to include a link to their biography on Wikipedia.
Rule 5 - character may be a politician, sports person, historical figure, entertainer - just need a Wikipedia entry.
Rule 6 - there is no rule 6.

Quote from: kitbasher on April 27, 2016, 11:03:40 PM

Rule 2 - only one taker per character. First cone, first served.

So, there's some sort of bribery with illicit herbage expected, is there? :blink:

Quote from: kitbasher on April 27, 2016, 11:03:40 PM

Rule 6 - there is no rule 6.

Of course! :thumbsup:

Quote from: Old Wombat on April 28, 2016, 03:44:26 AM

Quote from: kitbasher on April 27, 2016, 11:03:40 PM

Rule 2 - only one taker per character. First cone, first served.

So, there's some sort of bribery with illicit herbage expected, is there? :blink:

Or ice cream.  Or maybe both?  :wacko:

Quote from: kitbasher on April 27, 2016, 11:03:40 PM
Rule 2 - only one taker per character. First cone, first served.

Do you get a flake with that if you ask nicely?  :wacko:


Point of order: building something in the manner of somebody who's dead is really easy but very boring to watch: never seen a dead person build a model.

3 way tie for first. If it stays that way then they will be the 3 GB's of the season. However I really get the feeling I'll be organising a run off, or two  :rolleyes:

Question re one of the front runners.

In the Navy. I assume this is not just about ships, but naval aircraft and marine forces would be included as well ? Although in the latter case would it only be where the Marines are an integral part of the Navy (as in the UK) ?

Doesn't bother me as I might actually get a long planned ship project launched  ;D

As I seem to have gone all Royal Australian Marines mad, I'd like to say "Marines included". :tank:

However, I do have some RAN projects that I need some impetus to start, so I'll say "Navy only" (for purely selfish reasons). ;D

Quote from: Weaver on April 28, 2016, 05:32:50 AM

Quote from: kitbasher on April 27, 2016, 11:03:40 PM
Rule 2 - only one taker per character. First cone, first served.

Do you get a flake with that if you ask nicely?  :wacko:


Point of order: building something in the manner of somebody who's dead is really easy but very boring to watch: never seen a dead person build a model.

Dibs on Stephen Hawking...

Couple of days before the poll closes lads

Given the front runners at the moment, I could combine the 3 GB, building a Soviet Navy model from an old Frog/Novo kit, start with the first GB, and MAYBE, it's a BIG maybe, I could finish it by the end of the last GB.  ;D  :banghead:

Well none of my 3 votes are at the top, but I am fine with the current top contenders.  There are a few close ones that I currently don't have an idea for or much interest....interesting votes....

Go Go Soviet  ;D

Couple of laps to go and it's to close to call.

Did I really kick this off at 9:49:49 in the morning ?  :blink:

I'll check in tomorrow p.m. and do the necessary