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Title: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Devilfish on March 21, 2016, 12:23:37 AM
In the 1970's the Royal navy replaced it's last two aircraft carriers with 2 ex-USN Forrestal class supercarriers, fitted with British systems.
To supplement them, Centaur Class carriers were upgraded to carry support aircraft for assault missions.  The Royal Navy needed a modern, fast, capable, light attack aircraft to fly from these carriers.  After looking at what America had to offer, BAe came forward with a proposal to modify the SEPECAT Jaguar for carrier use.
The French had already tested the Jaguar M and although good in many respects, it didn't have the margin or safety that the Navy required.
To cope with the short deck take off and landings, the Jaguar's wing was too small and it didn't have enough power.
To remedy this, it was proposed to fit the new RB199's that had been developed for the MRCA Tornado, and to take the same aircraft's swing wing and transplant it to the Jaguar airframe.
To aid with finding targets at sea, a radar was fitted in place of the LRMTS of the RAF version.

I'm starting with this as a base.....the lovely Esci Jaguar GR.1

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi766.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fxx301%2Fpaulsmanta%2FBuilds%2FSEPECAT%2520Cheetah%2FDSCF9256_zpsfrat6luj.jpg&hash=1cf7c39bb150787693b22a142505373ab0857af3) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/paulsmanta/media/Builds/SEPECAT%20Cheetah/DSCF9256_zpsfrat6luj.jpg.html)

Test fitting the Tornado wings to see if they'll even look right....
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I sliced off the wing gloves from the Tonka

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Then cut slots into the fuselage

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And attached the lower section to work from..

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I'll need to do some trimming to get them to function properly....

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Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on March 21, 2016, 03:51:43 AM
That looks interesting - I also have a VG Jaguar on the agenda, but rather with MiG-23/27 wings.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: DogfighterZen on March 21, 2016, 04:02:12 AM
What a great idea, following this one with a lot of interest! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Mossie on March 21, 2016, 04:15:43 AM
Nice idea.  Kind of an Anglo-French MiG-27. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 21, 2016, 04:24:16 AM
Magic stuff, I like everything about this idea, especially the name.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: sandiego89 on March 21, 2016, 05:27:03 AM
Brave surgery!  I hope the patient survives it well  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Weaver on March 21, 2016, 05:57:29 AM
Loads of mileage in this one.  :thumbsup:

I too have a Jaguar on the list, but it's a Grumman-HSA Jaguar, tentatively slated to have an F11 Tiger front end on a MiG-23 body if it's to be swing wing, but that isn't firm yet.
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Devilfish on March 21, 2016, 07:03:59 AM
It's strange how the whiffing process hits you.  I bought a second Jaguar the other day, so thought what could I do with this one? A few ideas went through my head, nothing major, just colour changes.  Then I started thinking about the Jaguar M, and how or if the RN would have been interested in it.  In my whif-world the RN buys ex Forrestal class carriers to replace Ark and Eagle, so tbh, there would be no use for them there, as they have all bases covered.
But....if some of the old Centaur class (Hermes etc) were developed into support carriers for smaller operations or land assaults, then a Jag would be useful.
Next problem is the Jags terrible lack of power and small wing, not being great for carrier safety.  RB199s were the obvious answer, and a bigger wing.  But a bigger wing creates drag, as well as bad low level handling.....so......swing wings....
Problem solved.
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: NARSES2 on March 21, 2016, 07:29:28 AM
Impressive surgery  :thumbsup:

I like this idea  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: zenrat on March 22, 2016, 03:57:23 AM
Mmmmmm, Jaguar...
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Captain Canada on March 22, 2016, 11:39:57 AM
Love the look of this one, great start and a great idea !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq_2lmCXeDk
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Devilfish on March 23, 2016, 12:04:32 AM
I've had to do a fair bit of trimming of the wing internals to get them to fit and work inside the slender Jaguar fuselage.  I also had to move the tie bar holes and make a new tie bar.  Luckily, I got it right first go....

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi766.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fxx301%2Fpaulsmanta%2FBuilds%2FSEPECAT%2520Cheetah%2FDSCF9273_zpsytyikqno.jpg&hash=1159609be6df677718406240a44b439b45664485) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/paulsmanta/media/Builds/SEPECAT%20Cheetah/DSCF9273_zpsytyikqno.jpg.html)

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi766.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fxx301%2Fpaulsmanta%2FBuilds%2FSEPECAT%2520Cheetah%2FDSCF9272_zps8vxniioq.jpg&hash=b3a2137ae7230e2820d6bb083a0db3d9517753a3) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/paulsmanta/media/Builds/SEPECAT%20Cheetah/DSCF9272_zps8vxniioq.jpg.html)
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on March 23, 2016, 12:43:22 AM
That looks pretty cool. What stabilizers will be mounted? OOB Jag''s or (clipped) Tornado parts?
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Devilfish on March 23, 2016, 02:08:48 AM
Standard Jag parts.  I want to keep as much Jag as I can.  Having said that, I'm still deciding about the undercarriage, as it has to be "carrier-capable"
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Gondor on March 23, 2016, 03:10:32 AM
For the M version of the Jaguar I think the main undercarriage was almost the same but with single wheels on the outside. I can't remember what was done with the nose wheel.
I do have a reference where someone built a 1/48 M which I intend to use as a guide for the conversion of an old Airfix 1/72 Jaguar, just don't have the article at hand to give a better answer.

Just found this (http://www.amv83.eu/Sigaero/JaguarM.html) page on the web.

Gondor
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Devilfish on March 23, 2016, 03:30:17 AM
To me the M's undercarriage looks completely different. 

Although, to simplify things, I will probably use the original main legs.  I'll look for a replacement nose leg, and I have the wheels/tyres off the Tornado.
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Devilfish on March 28, 2016, 11:24:56 PM
The wings are now fitted and the new nose too. 

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Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: CammNut on March 29, 2016, 05:06:06 PM
Hate to drop a potential swing-wing fly in the variable-geometry ointment, because I love this build, but when wings swing aft, the center of lift moves aft relative to the center of gravity, so you need a bigger tail (or longer moment arm) for stability and control (look at F-111 and Tornado)...
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: ysi_maniac on March 29, 2016, 11:11:32 PM
VG Jaguar is a great idea!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Devilfish on March 29, 2016, 11:29:31 PM
Quote from: CammNut on March 29, 2016, 05:06:06 PM
Hate to drop a potential swing-wing fly in the variable-geometry ointment, because I love this build, but when wings swing aft, the center of lift moves aft relative to the center of gravity, so you need a bigger tail (or longer moment arm) for stability and control (look at F-111 and Tornado)...

Who need the laws of physics!

Too late now, I have done all the work to the tail. 
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: CammNut on March 30, 2016, 04:57:34 PM
Spoken like a true whiffer!
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Old Wombat on March 31, 2016, 03:00:03 AM
Yeah, the tail looks a tad small but, man, is that one wonderful build! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Captain Canada on March 31, 2016, 04:38:41 AM
Love it. Love the shape of the nose too !

:wub: :cheers: :bow:
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on March 31, 2016, 05:38:57 AM
Way cool!  :thumbsup:

Already an idea for the livery?

Makes me itchy to start my own VG Jaguar project for the Cold War GB...  :party:
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Devilfish on March 31, 2016, 08:28:20 AM
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on March 31, 2016, 05:38:57 AM
Way cool!  :thumbsup:

Already an idea for the livery?

Makes me itchy to start my own VG Jaguar project for the Cold War GB...  :party:

Royal Navy, late 70's......EDSG and white.
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: KiwiZac on March 31, 2016, 01:12:58 PM
It looks like a Tornado, but it looks like a Jaguar, but it looks like a Tornado  :unsure: :unsure:

Nicely done! I'm excited to see the Cheetah on (racing over) the finish line.
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: James on March 31, 2016, 01:23:37 PM
 :wub: That looks amazing.
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 02, 2016, 02:39:04 AM
Quote from: Devilfish on March 31, 2016, 08:28:20 AM
Royal Navy, late 70's......EDSG and white.

That sounds sweet. I considered something similar for a "normal" naval Jaguar a while ago, but with VG wings this should look awesome.
My build is supposed to be a late 80ies RAF aircraft, maybe based in Germany (replacing Phantoms or standard Jaguars).

Looking forward to the finished Cheetah!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: zenrat on April 02, 2016, 05:16:26 AM
I was looking at the cutaway drawing of a Jag in my Encyclopaedia of Combat Aircraft today.  Did they all have an arrestor hook?  The drawing, which purports to be a GR1 shows one.
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Gondor on April 02, 2016, 06:16:32 AM
Quote from: zenrat on April 02, 2016, 05:16:26 AM
I was looking at the cutaway drawing of a Jag in my Encyclopaedia of Combat Aircraft today.  Did they all have an arrestor hook?  The drawing, which purports to be a GR1 shows one.

Short answer "Yes"

It was for the airfield arresting system installed at some airfields by the RAF. I remember seeing some pictures of some aircraft, either Jaguars of Phantoms in the 70's using the system in Germany but I don't remember any details, sorry  :-\
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 02, 2016, 10:00:05 AM
Cheetah 2.0 is on the bench! Progress is fast, and I found out that the plan for this conversion must have been on the list for while because I found four(!) Heller Jaguars in the stash, each actually bought for this conversion... ;) Well, enough fodder for a maritime version, though...

Progress will be posted under the Cold War GB.

If you don't mind I'll use the "Cheetah" designation for my build, too?
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: zenrat on April 02, 2016, 09:34:30 PM
Quote from: Gondor on April 02, 2016, 06:16:32 AM
Quote from: zenrat on April 02, 2016, 05:16:26 AM
I was looking at the cutaway drawing of a Jag in my Encyclopaedia of Combat Aircraft today.  Did they all have an arrestor hook?  The drawing, which purports to be a GR1 shows one.

Short answer "Yes"

It was for the airfield arresting system installed at some airfields by the RAF. I remember seeing some pictures of some aircraft, either Jaguars of Phantoms in the 70's using the system in Germany but I don't remember any details, sorry  :-\

Thanks.
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Raptormodeller on April 03, 2016, 03:08:25 AM
Certainly looks the part, looking forward to the finished post...
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Leading Observer on April 03, 2016, 05:02:29 AM
Quote from: Devilfish on March 23, 2016, 03:30:17 AM
To me the M's undercarriage looks completely different. 

Although, to simplify things, I will probably use the original main legs.  I'll look for a replacement nose leg, and I have the wheels/tyres off the Tornado.

It is different:https://uk.pinterest.com/pin/340232946821889561/ (https://uk.pinterest.com/pin/340232946821889561/)
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 03, 2016, 08:49:21 AM
Quote from: zenrat on April 02, 2016, 09:34:30 PM
Quote from: Gondor on April 02, 2016, 06:16:32 AM
Quote from: zenrat on April 02, 2016, 05:16:26 AM
I was looking at the cutaway drawing of a Jag in my Encyclopaedia of Combat Aircraft today.  Did they all have an arrestor hook?  The drawing, which purports to be a GR1 shows one.

Short answer "Yes"

It was for the airfield arresting system installed at some airfields by the RAF. I remember seeing some pictures of some aircraft, either Jaguars of Phantoms in the 70's using the system in Germany but I don't remember any details, sorry  :-\

Thanks.

Many land-based NATO aircraft had and have a hook, e .g. the F-104, the F-16, even Belgian Mirage 5s.
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Devilfish on April 03, 2016, 11:11:25 PM
Managed to get a bit more done this weekend.  Much sanding and a coat of paint, then found some decals. 892 sqn, "Omega"

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(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi766.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fxx301%2Fpaulsmanta%2FBuilds%2FSEPECAT%2520Cheetah%2FDSCF9289_zpsm15w81cj.jpg&hash=b38cbb59154a2938d13da01721328428e1bd77df) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/paulsmanta/media/Builds/SEPECAT%20Cheetah/DSCF9289_zpsm15w81cj.jpg.html)
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Devilfish on April 03, 2016, 11:13:17 PM
Quote from: Gondor on April 02, 2016, 06:16:32 AM
Quote from: zenrat on April 02, 2016, 05:16:26 AM
I was looking at the cutaway drawing of a Jag in my Encyclopaedia of Combat Aircraft today.  Did they all have an arrestor hook?  The drawing, which purports to be a GR1 shows one.

Short answer "Yes"

It was for the airfield arresting system installed at some airfields by the RAF. I remember seeing some pictures of some aircraft, either Jaguars of Phantoms in the 70's using the system in Germany but I don't remember any details, sorry  :-\

Confirmed yes, but it was I believe a "one shot" spring loaded light duty hook, for runway emergency use. Needs to be beefed up for carrier use
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: TallEng on April 03, 2016, 11:28:24 PM
Grrr! 892 NAS
Please dont use the Omega insignia.
see here for details https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/892_Naval_Air_Squadron

Regards
Keith.
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Devilfish on April 03, 2016, 11:48:35 PM
Quote from: TallEng on April 03, 2016, 11:28:24 PM
Grrr! 892 NAS
Please dont use the Omega insignia.
see here for details https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/892_Naval_Air_Squadron

Regards
Keith.

I know it's not their "official" marking, but it was all I could find that was suitable, so I have used it with the story that they have carried on using it as a homage to the Phantom unit.
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: zenrat on April 04, 2016, 03:12:46 AM
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on April 03, 2016, 08:49:21 AM
Quote from: zenrat on April 02, 2016, 09:34:30 PM
Quote from: Gondor on April 02, 2016, 06:16:32 AM
Quote from: zenrat on April 02, 2016, 05:16:26 AM
I was looking at the cutaway drawing of a Jag in my Encyclopaedia of Combat Aircraft today.  Did they all have an arrestor hook?  The drawing, which purports to be a GR1 shows one.

Short answer "Yes"

It was for the airfield arresting system installed at some airfields by the RAF. I remember seeing some pictures of some aircraft, either Jaguars of Phantoms in the 70's using the system in Germany but I don't remember any details, sorry  :-\

Thanks.

Many land-based NATO aircraft had and have a hook, e .g. the F-104, the F-16, even Belgian Mirage 5s.
Quote from: Devilfish on April 03, 2016, 11:13:17 PM
Quote from: Gondor on April 02, 2016, 06:16:32 AM
Quote from: zenrat on April 02, 2016, 05:16:26 AM
I was looking at the cutaway drawing of a Jag in my Encyclopaedia of Combat Aircraft today.  Did they all have an arrestor hook?  The drawing, which purports to be a GR1 shows one.

Short answer "Yes"

It was for the airfield arresting system installed at some airfields by the RAF. I remember seeing some pictures of some aircraft, either Jaguars of Phantoms in the 70's using the system in Germany but I don't remember any details, sorry  :-\

Confirmed yes, but it was I believe a "one shot" spring loaded light duty hook, for runway emergency use. Needs to be beefed up for carrier use

How about that.  You learn something new every day.  Thanks guys.

Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 04, 2016, 03:35:08 AM
That looks awesome!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: NARSES2 on April 04, 2016, 06:55:57 AM
Does look good
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: KiwiZac on April 04, 2016, 08:57:57 PM
Gorgeous!
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: bearmatt on April 04, 2016, 11:02:42 PM
Very cool stuff  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 08, 2016, 12:36:51 AM
In the meantime, a direct concept comparison:

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi766.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fxx301%2Fpaulsmanta%2FBuilds%2FSEPECAT%2520Cheetah%2FDSCF9288_zpshwopqhus.jpg&hash=4dd7b1981de58d6c64a473b2428b8759bc7596e2) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/paulsmanta/media/Builds/SEPECAT%20Cheetah/DSCF9288_zpshwopqhus.jpg.html)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1456/25687840014_b0dea562fe_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/F8WTTm)SEPECAT Cheetah GR.2 (Kitbashing) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/F8WTTm) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

The same, but not identical...  ;)
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: kerick on April 08, 2016, 07:29:54 PM
Both awesome!!
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: zenrat on April 10, 2016, 04:26:47 AM
Quote from: kerick on April 08, 2016, 07:29:54 PM
Both awesome!!

Second that.  Don't make me choose.
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: KiwiZac on April 10, 2016, 02:27:44 PM
I'm with zenrat - I hate it when you fight! Don't make me choose one of you!!! Geeeeez that green one's gorgeous.
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: kerick on April 10, 2016, 02:31:14 PM
I have a Mitsubishi T-2 laying in the stalled build drawer.......
Must check spare parts boxes....Wanders off to the basement muttering.....
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Devilfish on April 10, 2016, 11:10:44 PM
Undercarriage built up.  I used the main legs as is, but just with larger single wheels.  The nose leg was altered, by fitting an "extending" section.  This being an F-111 nose leg and wheels.

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A selection of weaponry has been removed from the armoury.

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Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 10, 2016, 11:59:58 PM
Sweet!  :wub:
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: VickersVandal on April 11, 2016, 12:46:31 AM
Hotness.  :mellow:
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: zenrat on April 11, 2016, 02:14:17 AM
Quote from: KiwiZac on April 10, 2016, 02:27:44 PM
I'm with zenrat - I hate it when you fight!...

So behave or you'll both be sent to your rooms.
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: DogfighterZen on April 11, 2016, 04:18:03 PM
Yeah, baby! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Devilfish on April 11, 2016, 11:30:43 PM
By the late 60's the Royal navy knew that their big carriers were due for scrapping and that plans for the proposed CVA 01 carrier were already being shelved.  In a desperate attempt to hold on to naval air power, the Admiralty put forward a plan to buy 2 ex-US Navy Kittyhawk class supercarriers and refit them with British equipment (mostly salvaged from the outgoing carriers, Ark Royal and Eagle)
Because of the cancellation of TSR2, the treasury, in a strange turn of events, agreed that air power at sea was definitely needed.  They approved the acquisition of at first 1, then later a second US carrier.  To supplement them, 2 Centaur class carriers were to be refitted to act as tactical carriers to aid in smaller conflicts.
As these weren't big enough to carry the larger American types being used on the supercarriers, a smaller multi-purpose aircraft was needed.
BAC offered a version of the new Jaguar, fitted with the variable geometry wing, then being designed for the MRCA, to aid with slower and shorter take offs and landings.
Renamed the Cheetah, the FRS.1 entered service aboard the HMS Hermes in 1978, seeing service during the Falklands conflict in 1982.


BAC/SEPECAT Cheetah FRS.1 892 Sqn HMS Hermes

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Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 11, 2016, 11:46:32 PM
Very nice. The hardpoints under the Tornado wings match well - funny to see how your and my build differ in so many details. I'll integrate the FRS.1 nomination and maybe some of your background details into mine for the RAF, if that's O.K.?
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Devilfish on April 11, 2016, 11:47:40 PM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 11, 2016, 11:49:19 PM
Thank you. Just nominated your build for teh Whiffies.  ;D
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Devilfish on April 12, 2016, 12:00:32 AM
Thank you. It only started as a quick build, to fill in time, lol
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 12, 2016, 01:26:13 AM
It's the idea that counts, IMHO, and I love the basic concept of your build with the Tornado parts.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: zenrat on April 12, 2016, 01:43:37 AM
Quote from: Devilfish on April 12, 2016, 12:00:32 AM
Thank you. It only started as a quick build, to fill in time, lol

They always snowball though don't they.

This is great.  It looks like it should be real.
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: NARSES2 on April 12, 2016, 06:39:31 AM
Does look good  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: sandiego89 on April 12, 2016, 07:24:11 AM
I had my doubts devilfish, I thought it would turn out like a bad idea Soviet MiG-23, but you proved me very wrong! 

Really nice job- well done.  :thumbsup:

-Dave
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Devilfish on April 12, 2016, 07:34:06 AM
Quote from: sandiego89 on April 12, 2016, 07:24:11 AM
I had my doubts devilfish, I thought it would turn out like a bad idea Soviet MiG-23, but you proved me very wrong! 

Really nice job- well done.  :thumbsup:

-Dave

Glad I could prove you wrong. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 12, 2016, 07:37:35 AM
Quote from: sandiego89 on April 12, 2016, 07:24:11 AM
I had my doubts devilfish, I thought it would turn out like a bad idea Soviet MiG-23, but you proved me very wrong! 

Really nice job- well done.  :thumbsup:

-Dave

That's actually my job!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 14, 2016, 01:19:50 AM
Here the RAF's Cheetah GR.2 goes: http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,41605.31.html

:cheers:
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Thorvic on April 14, 2016, 01:32:45 AM
Looks good I like it  :thumbsup:, one suggestion I would paint or wash the Tamiya tape used as the canvas fairing to stop modellers saying you left a bit of masking on and trying to remove it  ;D
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: KiwiZac on April 14, 2016, 04:43:52 PM
Gorgeous. Beautiful. I love it!
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Jesse220 on April 14, 2016, 05:50:50 PM
Pretty Grand  :cheers:
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Weaver on April 14, 2016, 06:32:55 PM
That's a lovely job - well done! :thumbsup:

One of these years I'm going to get around to my own naval 'Jaguar', which may or may not have swing wings, but which has a very different origin to this one.... ;)
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: Tophe on April 15, 2016, 08:36:37 AM
Belated congratulations... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: nighthunter on April 16, 2016, 01:41:40 PM
Inspired by both Dizzy's and Devilfish's SEPECAT Cheetahs, I created the Interceptor version of the Cheetah, the F3, enjoy!

Cheetah F3 users:
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No. 1435 Flight:
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Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: kerick on April 16, 2016, 07:34:33 PM
Nice art work nighthunter! This would keep me in whiff material for quite a while.
Title: Re: SEPECAT Cheetah (like a Jaguar, only faster)
Post by: ysi_maniac on April 17, 2016, 11:36:59 AM
A masterpiece indeed! :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: