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GROUP BUILDS => 2015 Group Builds => The Knackers Yard => Battle of Britain Group Build => Topic started by: Army of One on November 14, 2015, 02:17:13 PM

Title: Lightning..!!!
Post by: Army of One on November 14, 2015, 02:17:13 PM
Right......one from me.......I'm a fan of the P38. My take on this BoB build is......maybe the USA hasn't entered the war yet, and they are using BoB to combat test their hardware.....the P38F app flew in early 1942.....maybe it flew a bit earlier.......it was fully equipped but  pilots were ordered not to pursue enemy a/c across the channnel......
The P38F is finished in contemporary fighters finish, i wanted the markings to come from maybe a Defiant sqn......i also wanted to do the one black wing underside.....just gotta find some suitable markings......the thin booms are causing some problems......

The kit used.....a cheap ebay win.....
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The parts....
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Cockpit tub n pilot.....tried to make him look RAF.....
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Going together well.......the airfix kit went together well.....i liked it.....
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Undercoat.....
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First layer in camo.....
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Hope you like.........
Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 14, 2015, 03:38:03 PM
Now THAT'S different.  :thumbsup:

Visually it could be a P-38E as they first flew in Oct '41, the F maybe pushing the 18 month rule a little far....  ;D
Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: Tophe on November 15, 2015, 12:35:18 AM
Quote from: Army of One on November 14, 2015, 02:17:13 PM
I'm a fan of the P38.
I'm a fan of the P-38 too. Do you have other ideas (even: "impossible to build"), with different shapes, apart of changing the colours? I'd be glad to illustrate new-shape Lightnings.
http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/#Sit
Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: RAFF-35 on November 15, 2015, 01:18:27 AM
Would 1:144 defiant/Spitfire/hurricane decals fit?
Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: Army of One on November 15, 2015, 01:32:45 AM
Quote from: RAFF-35 on November 15, 2015, 01:18:27 AM
Would 1:144 defiant/Spitfire/hurricane decals fit?

I have to admit i don't know. I was gonna measure up when i got home this eve and look for one of those kits to try out. I hadn't intended any underwing roundels just the ones above the wing and on the boom. Not sure how to get around the  codes yet.......
Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: NARSES2 on November 15, 2015, 01:59:56 AM
Stuff the suffix  ;D Hank did talk to me about the 18 month leeway but didn't mention the type. All I can say is that it's going to look really good in this scheme  :thumbsup:

I'm also trying to remember how old the kit is ?
Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: Army of One on November 15, 2015, 03:33:22 AM
Chris.....cheers....i forgot to tell you whuch model.....didn't have an E.....but had a few others in the stash.....this being the earliest of the bunch when reading Wikipedia. I have to admit i wasn't surehow to approach the underside paint scheme.....part of me said just the pod n wing.....but obviously the other part of me that said.....'do it all' won....

Tophe.....not sure re the lightning.....but I'd like to have a bash at some push/pull.....either a tail config like the Pfeil or a twin boom like the Flitzer...
Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: Tophe on November 15, 2015, 06:11:56 AM
Thanks, I may work on these ideas next week.
I wish you success finishing your model.
Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: Captain Canada on November 15, 2015, 01:41:24 PM
Great idea...looks so right too !

:cheers:
Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: Army of One on November 15, 2015, 02:02:25 PM
Quote from: Tophe on November 15, 2015, 06:11:56 AM
Thanks, I may work on these ideas next week.
I wish you success finishing your model.

Many thanks.....another layer of paint n then to find the decals.......

Quote from: Captain Canada on November 15, 2015, 01:41:24 PM
Great idea...looks so right too !

:cheers:

Cheers Cap'n C.......
Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: Army of One on November 20, 2015, 11:21:32 AM
A bit more progress.........
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And these turned up today.....awesomecset of decals.....all appear in great register...
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Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: Captain Canada on November 20, 2015, 03:02:51 PM
Looks good ! Love the decals...another good call  :cheers:
Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: kerick on November 20, 2015, 05:36:10 PM
What if you put regular size markings on the nose?
Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: Tophe on November 21, 2015, 01:21:45 AM
Quote from: Army of One on November 15, 2015, 03:33:22 AM
Tophe.....not sure re the lightning.....but I'd like to have a bash at some push/pull.....either a tail config like the Pfeil or a twin boom like the Flitzer...
The Do-335 Pfeil source was interesting thanks!:
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I may try to see for the Flitzer cousins now.
(And congratulations for your model, I don't forget this is the main subject...) ;)
Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: NARSES2 on November 21, 2015, 05:20:39 AM
Coming on well mate
Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: Army of One on November 21, 2015, 03:47:19 PM
Tophe......great work as usual.......cheers

Chris.......many thanks.....she is part decal'd now.....I'll try and get a pic on tomorrow........
Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: Tophe on November 21, 2015, 10:34:48 PM
Thanks!
(as a last tribute to your "other ideas", here are the FLI-38A, B, C kinda Flitzered Lightnings...)
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By the way, I have read that the British Lightnings had no turbocompressors and thus poor performance at high altitude, while your model seems to have turbocompressors on the booms, is this the what-if correction part (to save better England from Evil)? ;)
Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: Army of One on November 22, 2015, 12:20:40 AM
Yes Tophe.....in the mild backstory......America hasn't entered the war yet and so are using the BoB to combat test their aircraft.....pilots issues strict orders not to chase enemy aircraft across the channel.....similar to early FW190 pilits who were issued an order they must be within glide distance of the friendly coast.......
Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: Army of One on December 17, 2015, 03:33:05 AM
Some finished pics of Douglas Bader's 610sqn P38E from Tangmere tangling with Adolf Galland in his Bf109F.....

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Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 17, 2015, 08:25:48 AM
Bader in a Lightning?!  :o

Now THAT'S a different idea, I love it! At least  he'd have had no difficulty in getting his tin legs into that big cockpit!  :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: Army of One on December 17, 2015, 11:50:24 AM
Thank you Kit......i was going to ask you re aome custom markings but found a lovely little 1/144 BoB spitfire sheet.....well printed but as thin as anything.......very very delicate.......
Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: Army of One on December 17, 2015, 11:54:58 AM
Quote from: kerick on November 20, 2015, 05:36:10 PM
What if you put regular size markings on the nose?

Gotta say i never really considered that......mmmmm.....not to sure now......i like how it looks n think it may be a bit 'cluttered' with codes n roundel on the nose......i suppose it looks a bit bare as no nose art like on a US plane.......
Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 17, 2015, 01:56:23 PM
Use a larger version of Bader's 'Boot kicking Hitler' that he carried on his Hurricane, only on both sides?

I may know someone who could do decals of that............  ;)

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Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: Army of One on December 17, 2015, 02:24:58 PM
Oh......could do.......with 610 on the boot instead of 242.......sized for a 1/72 P38.......?  Won't make the deadline......nice to finish it off though.......could you do a couple of the sqn leader pennants as well.....got none of them that are suitable......the 1/144 ones are too small.......
Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 17, 2015, 04:53:40 PM
No probs.  ;D

Give me a couple of days and I'll come up with some samples.
Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: Captain Canada on December 17, 2015, 05:03:34 PM
Very cool. Love the idea !

:cheers:
Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: Army of One on December 17, 2015, 11:46:07 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 17, 2015, 04:53:40 PM
No probs.  ;D

Give me a couple of days and I'll come up with some samples.

Awesome Kit.....cheers
Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 18, 2015, 06:42:20 AM
Make that hours, not days.  ;D

How's this look?

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Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: Army of One on December 18, 2015, 07:20:30 AM
Oh yes!!!!!! That would work...... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Lightning..!!!
Post by: NARSES2 on December 18, 2015, 07:25:51 AM
Nice one mate