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Title: Gunze paint and Humbrol matt varnish
Post by: Allan on October 03, 2015, 10:13:55 PM
getting tired of my Humbrol matt varnish in the tinlet drying to a gloop, I've invested in the bottled stuff and plan to thin it with usual mineral thinners and spray it on
think I might see if Humbrol has gloss varnish in a similar bottle to replace my Testors gloss varnish in the spray can

and while in Japan in July I bought fours bottles of this acrylic paint
ever used it? it seems that it is lacquer acrylic, whatever that means, so I can thin it with lacquer thinner a la Tamiya acrylics, but I might try the mineral thinner that I use with my Humbrol enamel paint and see what happens
anyone ever tried that?
Allan
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Title: Re: Gunze paint and Humbrol matt varnish
Post by: RAFF-35 on October 03, 2015, 11:59:52 PM
Glad to know its not just me that ends up with a thick lump of varnish  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Gunze paint and Humbrol matt varnish
Post by: NARSES2 on October 04, 2015, 01:44:03 AM
I picked up a couple of jars of that Mr Color (why can't American's spell ?  :rolleyes: - and yes I know it's Japanese) at SMW a few years ago. Some internal colours and I brush paint it. Coats very well and dries very quickly. Must admit I use Mr Color's own thinner to clean brushes
Title: Re: Gunze paint and Humbrol matt varnish
Post by: zenrat on October 04, 2015, 03:13:15 AM
While Humbrol matt cote in a bottle removes the possibility of getting a glob in a tin it does introduce the new issue of having the lid welded to the bottle.
Don't ask me how I know this and ensure you wipe the threads clean before putting the lid back on.
Title: Re: Gunze paint and Humbrol matt varnish
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 04, 2015, 04:37:51 AM
Quote from: zenrat on October 04, 2015, 03:13:15 AM
While Humbrol matt cote in a bottle removes the possibility of getting a glob in a tin it does introduce the new issue of having the lid welded to the bottle.
Don't ask me how I know this and ensure you wipe the threads clean before putting the lid back on.


I had exactly the same problem!  :banghead:

And with that new 'Safe Style' cap that you need to press down on before you undo it, you might as well buy it and throw it straight in the bin! It's a pity as it's pretty good as matt varnish.

My bottle of Humbrol satin varnish has had the 'Safe Style' cap forcibly removed (with the aid of a LARGE pair of adjustable grips....) so now I just have to undo the odd looking cap left behind.
Title: Re: Gunze paint and Humbrol matt varnish
Post by: Allan on October 04, 2015, 04:38:19 AM
Chris  how did you thin the stuff when you used it?   mineral thinner?
Title: Re: Gunze paint and Humbrol matt varnish
Post by: jcf on October 04, 2015, 04:15:27 PM
Do not use mineral spirits to thin the Mr. Color!

It is an acrylic lacquer and is to be thinned with a lacquer thinner, preferably their own
but standard type will work.

Tamiya acrylics are thinnable with lacquer thinnere because of the overall paint chemistry which
uses a variety of alcohols as the acrylic resin carrier.

BTW the word 'acrylic' when used in regards to paint is a reference to the chemistry of the resin
base, it does not have anything to do with 'water'. 'Acrylic Lacquers' were standard production
auto-body paints for decades and are still common for re-spray and repair work.
Title: Re: Gunze paint and Humbrol matt varnish
Post by: Allan on October 04, 2015, 07:39:37 PM
just FYI, but a little while ago I thinned some Tamiya acrylic RLM black green for a 109 prop with some of their acrylic thinner and then added some mineral thinner and it shot out of my airbrush 0.40 like prunes though an old lady
Title: Re: Gunze paint and Humbrol matt varnish
Post by: NARSES2 on October 05, 2015, 06:07:43 AM
Quote from: Allan on October 04, 2015, 04:38:19 AM
Chris  how did you thin the stuff when you used it?   mineral thinner?

I brush paint Al, so I don't thin it when it's for internals as I find it's fine as it is
Title: Re: Gunze paint and Humbrol matt varnish
Post by: Allan on October 15, 2015, 04:24:10 PM
that matt cote, stuff has settled to the bottom of the bottle, so I'l get to it with sturdy, thin metal rod and mix the hell out of it
it's upside down at the moment at home awaiting its punishment
Title: Re: Gunze paint and Humbrol matt varnish
Post by: Rick Lowe on October 15, 2015, 08:31:02 PM
I usually put a couple of 4mm or so steel BBs into the jar/tin to help mix the paint when I shake said jar/tin.
That being said, it doesn't stop the paint separating, but you don't have to stir by hand for as long. Just loosen things up and the BBs will help with further shaking.

And yes I have had them rust, but only in a jar of Poly S, strangely.
I've also heard of the bottom of a jar with BBs in it breaking away, but haven't had that problem yet myself (and I don't know how old the jar was, or how large the BBs).

FWIW, & YMMV

Cheers
Title: Re: Gunze paint and Humbrol matt varnish
Post by: zenrat on October 16, 2015, 01:50:16 AM
I thin Mr Color (sic) Acrylics with water.
No problems.