Just starting on this one, and looking for help/ ideas/ knowledge. probably should look at JATO or somat.
My early concern is going to be dio bits in 200 scale, boats, dudes, other flying boats.
:cheers:
Nice, I have built one and have 2 in the stash when I spotted them on the bargain bin. Agree 1/200 poses some real challenges, likely some scale-o-rama and scratch build will be required for any accessories.
A production version proposal for the Hercules called for a bow opening nose, so a diorama with her beached with her nose beached and disgorging trucks etc over the bow would be a good diorama. There are some great photos of the CONVAIR Tradewind doing this and they look great. Would require some substantial nose work and partial building a cargo deck. The kit is quite basic.
JATO/RATO would be a good idea, need a lot of bottles, but they will be tine in 1/200. I would mount a rack on (b-47 style) on the mid aft fuselage.
The individual prop blades on the kit are very fragile. Don't put the props on to the very last and only touch the shaft/spinner- and if you don't bend/break at least one somewhere in the process, I owe you a beer :cheers:
-Dave
Beer ?
lol thanks for the input !
:cheers:
Quote from: sandiego89 on August 09, 2015, 02:30:35 PM
Agree 1/200 poses some real challenges, likely some scale-o-rama and scratch build will be required for any accessories.
Not certain if they are available in your corner of the world, but watch out for Z scale model railroad accessories. It's actually 1:220, but the margin is hardly visible. Märklin did and does trains in this scale, and there's a lot of stuff available, like buildings or vehicles.
Finish it in NMF?
Similar in concept to building a rusted corvette.
Quote from: zenrat on August 10, 2015, 01:21:32 AM
Finish it in NMF?
Similar in concept to building a rusted corvette.
Considering it was built in wood ------------
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Hughes%20HK-1%20%20H-4/Hughes%20HK-1%20Hercules%20004_zps5dwctcgf.jpg
Birch, in fact, not Spruce, as the name implies.
Quote from: kitnut617 on August 10, 2015, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: zenrat on August 10, 2015, 01:21:32 AM
Finish it in NMF?
Similar in concept to building a rusted corvette.
Considering it was built in wood ------------
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Hughes%20HK-1%20%20H-4/Hughes%20HK-1%20Hercules%20004_zps5dwctcgf.jpg
Yes. That's the point...
I know it was wooden which is why I suggested an NMF finish and made reference to rusted Corvettes. Maybe I should have said Chevrolet Corvette to make the point stronger. The Chevrolet Corvette has a fibreglass body which (underlying steel framing aside) will not rust. Various model car builders have over the years built model Chevrolet Corvettes with rusty bodywork to wind up nit pickers and JMNs.
I suggested finishing the model Spruce Goose in NMF for the same reason.
I'm thinking the traditional overall blue. It will all depend on what role I finalize on. The lazy half of me wants to leave it with a solid nose and cargo doors. It might change the look of it too much to hinge the nose, but it would defo be more practical for a bird of such use.
:cheers:
It would look good in overall Gloss Sea Blue, and different as well :thumbsup:
Quote from: zenrat on August 11, 2015, 02:41:38 AM
Quote from: kitnut617 on August 10, 2015, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: zenrat on August 10, 2015, 01:21:32 AM
Finish it in NMF?
Similar in concept to building a rusted corvette.
Considering it was built in wood ------------
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Hughes%20HK-1%20%20H-4/Hughes%20HK-1%20Hercules%20004_zps5dwctcgf.jpg
Yes. That's the point...
I know it was wooden which is why I suggested an NMF finish and made reference to rusted Corvettes. Maybe I should have said Chevrolet Corvette to make the point stronger. The Chevrolet Corvette has a fibreglass body which (underlying steel framing aside) will not rust. Various model car builders have over the years built model Chevrolet Corvettes with rusty bodywork to wind up nit pickers and JMNs.
I suggested finishing the model Spruce Goose in NMF for the same reason.
Ah! You also used a lower case "c", which strengthened the impression that you were talking about ships. :-X
Quote from: NARSES2 on August 11, 2015, 06:31:18 AM
It would look good in overall Gloss Sea Blue, and different as well :thumbsup:
Yes that would work too !
:cheers:
I definitely echo sentiment about the props, I lost so many in building it (age 12 I think) that I made Dad rather angry by snapping them all off!
It's a fine kit for whiffery given its simplicity and price. I've thought a little about doing an in-service one, and as I have a real soft spot for all things Hughes I'm excited to follow along!
Eventually, I'll get the 1/72 kit of it, got the decals for it already too.
Going to use some of these from my 1/72 747 kit
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and these which CanMilAir did up for me
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Or I might do it like this 1/200 scale one
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Quote from: Old Wombat on August 11, 2015, 08:08:50 AM
Quote from: zenrat on August 11, 2015, 02:41:38 AM
Quote from: kitnut617 on August 10, 2015, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: zenrat on August 10, 2015, 01:21:32 AM
Finish it in NMF?
Similar in concept to building a rusted corvette.
Considering it was built in wood ------------
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Hughes%20HK-1%20%20H-4/Hughes%20HK-1%20Hercules%20004_zps5dwctcgf.jpg
Yes. That's the point...
I know it was wooden which is why I suggested an NMF finish and made reference to rusted Corvettes. Maybe I should have said Chevrolet Corvette to make the point stronger. The Chevrolet Corvette has a fibreglass body which (underlying steel framing aside) will not rust. Various model car builders have over the years built model Chevrolet Corvettes with rusty bodywork to wind up nit pickers and JMNs.
I suggested finishing the model Spruce Goose in NMF for the same reason.
Ah! You also used a lower case "c", which strengthened the impression that you were talking about ships. :-X
True. I apologise. I blame the fact that snot volume in my head is up while hours sleep are down making me both irritable and easilly distrac...
...what's that bird out there.
No, gentlemen, Howard would never let Trip buy them, he'd use them exclusively for TWA, lol!
Good point! Did we learn nothing from The Aviator?!
The 1/72 model.....you must a) be crazy and 2) have a MASSIVE work area!
Quote from: KiwiZac on August 12, 2015, 11:31:24 PM
Good point! Did we learn nothing from The Aviator?!
The 1/72 model.....you must a) be crazy and 2) have a MASSIVE work area!
Um! if I said I had two Lockheed C-5's, two Boeing 747's and umpteen B-52's and B-36's --- all in 1/72 scale plus a couple of A310's and 767's
Quote from: kitnut617 on August 13, 2015, 06:05:32 PM
Quote from: KiwiZac on August 12, 2015, 11:31:24 PM
Good point! Did we learn nothing from The Aviator?!
The 1/72 model.....you must a) be crazy and 2) have a MASSIVE work area!
Um! if I said I had two Lockheed C-5's, two Boeing 747's and umpteen B-52's and B-36's --- all in 1/72 scale plus a couple of A310's and 767's
You're really the Sultan of Brunei slumming with the masses? .... Oh! .... Wait! .... He'd have them in 1/1 scale! .... You're his heir-apparent? :blink:
Quote from: Captain Canada on August 09, 2015, 02:09:59 PM
Just starting on this one, and looking for help/ ideas/ knowledge.
I had knowledge about the Hughes giant twin-hull projects before the final Spruce Goose, but I gave my books on Hughes to a cousin, it is not easy to require them back. Maybe these projects are illustrated on Secretprojects.
Interesting Tophe.....I'll have to look into that !
:drink:
One of the twin-hull Hughes is there http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5537.msg243874.html#msg243874 but there were many other ones.
EDIT: this one disappeared from the Web but Google kept a little trace of it:
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That`s a big one for sure ! Needs more engines tho.
I did some work on mine yesterday, cut one of the noses off and cleaned up the fuselage...hope to show some pics later.
The engine intakes or what have you were pretty plain
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So I started drilling and opening them up, mostly to kill time as my head was swirling away trying to make heads or tails of itself....
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I also have started removing the nose
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Minicraft makes a version of their Spruce Goose model in TWA markings, kit no 15005. http://store.kingshobbyshop.com/mi151twah4he.html
I have a copy of it in my stash, keep meaning to build it.
Steve
Quote from: wagnersm on August 18, 2015, 04:05:38 PM
Minicraft makes a version of their Spruce Goose model in TWA markings, kit no 15005. http://store.kingshobbyshop.com/mi151twah4he.html
I have a copy of it in my stash, keep meaning to build it.
Steve
A 1/144 Spruce Goose? That's got to be pretty darn
BIG!Actually, looking at the 1/144 747-400 on my shelf across the room, the 1/144 Goose has got be
HUGE!
Quote from: PR19_Kit on August 18, 2015, 04:09:04 PM
Quote from: wagnersm on August 18, 2015, 04:05:38 PM
Minicraft makes a version of their Spruce Goose model in TWA markings, kit no 15005. http://store.kingshobbyshop.com/mi151twah4he.html
I have a copy of it in my stash, keep meaning to build it.
Steve
A 1/144 Spruce Goose? That's got to be pretty darn BIG!
Actually, looking at the 1/144 747-400 on my shelf across the room, the 1/144 Goose has got be HUGE!
It's not 1/144 scale -- it's 1/200 as it's the same model as the one I have but with fantasy decals.
But here you can see the difference between the ""big"" aircraft, it's not much bigger than a 747
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I think if it ever flew over you, with that big plank of a wing and 8 engines, it would look pretty darn big !
:bow:
Quote from: Captain Canada on August 18, 2015, 06:20:07 PM
I think if it ever flew over you, with that big plank of a wing and 8 engines, it would look pretty darn big !
:bow:
Well it didn't matter how hard I tried I just couldn't fit it all into one photo
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Some more:
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Quote from: kitnut617 on August 18, 2015, 06:01:02 PM
It's not 1/144 scale -- it's 1/200 as it's the same model as the one I have but with fantasy decals.
I was going by the heading on the linked web site, it doesn't say anything about the scale on the box.
Oh yeah she's huge Robert ! That's something I'd sure like to see someday....
As for the TWA kit, wonder if it has the transfers to make the fake windows etc ?
:cheers:
Looking forward to the bow door- no going back now!
-Dave
I saw the Goose when she was in LA and strangely she didn't look that big. I think that was simply because he setting back then had nothing to compare her to
Thanks Dave ! Part of the fun doing up the bulk heads etc. And I can imagine Chris, seeing a full size DC-3 under one wing sure brings her scale to life !
:drink:
Quote from: Captain Canada on August 19, 2015, 06:08:44 AM
Oh yeah she's huge Robert ! That's something I'd sure like to see someday....
As for the TWA kit, wonder if it has the transfers to make the fake windows etc ?
:cheers:
Yes it does, so does the one fantasy boxing I have
Here's a pic of the inside of her looking towards the nose
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and I think the side window decals idea must have come from what is actually there -- which isn't how it was when it flew
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Quote from: NARSES2 on August 19, 2015, 07:30:58 AM
I saw the Goose when she was in LA and strangely she didn't look that big. I think that was simply because he setting back then had nothing to compare her to
I had the exact feeling while seeing her in the dome (Long Beach). For me I think it was a sense of anticiaption and agree the scale of the building threw me off. Huge dome with no frame of reference. She was also up a small plynth then. I think if she had been in a normal hanger or outside, or had other airplanes under her like now, I would have appreciated the size more. I had also been inside jumbos and C-5's by then so the inside was not as huge as I perhaps imagined.
Now the wing is quite impressive by any standard....
Nice pic from the inside Robert, thanks. I can use that as a reference, although mine will be hinged and also have a cargo set of doors somewhere along the fuselage side.
:cheers:
Quote from: sandiego89 on August 20, 2015, 05:25:54 AM
I had also been inside jumbos and C-5's by then so the inside was not as huge as I perhaps imagined.
Now the wing is quite impressive by any standard....
I had the same feeling the first time I went into the Sunderland fuselage at Hendon.
Agree re the wing. Even in LA that looked long enough to please even Kit PR19
Quote from: NARSES2 on August 20, 2015, 07:11:24 AM
Agree re the wing. Even in LA that looked long enough to please even Kit PR19
Hahaha...thanks for the laugh Chris !
I'm working at hacking out the flaps today. I was also wondering about adding some spoilers or vents or whatever they are called, to add some interest and make the wing more efficient. I think I saw some on a Mars or the Tradewind. I still have research to do but would rather just get on with it than quibble with myself over details....
Quote from: NARSES2 on August 20, 2015, 07:11:24 AM
Agree re the wing. Even in LA that looked long enough to please even Kit PR19
It's the longest wing ever IIRC, 320 ft. :o
I think the big wing floats are the perfect place to store the 'ships boats' don't you ? I'm currently on the hunt for 200 scale stuff. I see that Freetime Hobbies have quite a bit ( not a lot in stock tho ) I may drop by my LHS tomorrow and see what they have, but I'm also open to suggestions.
:cheers:
Hacking away.....cut out the flaps and sorted the wings
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And cut the rest of the doors. I actually cut one more man sized door in front of the big cargo door. Also got most of the floor sorted.
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Mark me as another who was underwhelmed by the beast in person, of course I'd spent a few years walking around 747's on the assembly
line in Everett by the time I actually saw the Hercules in McMinnville. ;D
Neat work Capt
I've never seen the thing, and most likely never will, but anything THAT large and built of wood deserves a whole lot of respect.
Your model's looking equally respect-worthy Cap'n, that hinged nose do, a la 'Tradewind', is the icing on the cake. :thumbsup:
Thanks guys. I hope to see it one day as well. Hope to do a continental road trip one day when the kiddies are grown....
I was waffling on hacking out the nose, but I think it really makes the difference in the build. Plus it`s great fun lol. I think I will add a radar bulb as well.
:cheers:
Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on August 21, 2015, 06:41:03 PM
Mark me as another who was underwhelmed by the beast in person, of course I'd spent a few years walking around 747's on the assembly
line in Everett by the time I actually saw the Hercules in McMinnville. ;D
As you say, when accustomed to large aircraft it does seem to be a bit "'run-of-the-mill"". Especially when you see this on the next building to the Evergreen Museum
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It's one of Evergreen's retired 747's, it's been made as the start point of a few water-slides.
Gorgeous. Love those old small-hump Jumbos. Another place to add to the list of must sees :thumbsup:
Families who visit the museum but don't want to traipse kids around the exhibits (you need a good day [maybe two] to see both museum builds, one is aero orientated and the other is space orientated [didn't get to see this one though]), go to the water park/slides next door Todd.
Sounds like a plan !
:cheers:
Fiddling about with this one today....really hard to find motivation as I don't feel like doing anything. But I have for the most part got a bulkhead for the lifted nose, and I have sorted both floor bits for the cargo hold. I need to fashion some sort of cockpit and then I can go about painting it and glueing the fuselage together. I'm also working at detailing the wing a wee bit, to add some realism to it. Slow going as my left hand isn't much good at gripping tight.
Maybe some pics tonite.
:cheers:
My set up this morning : taking over the kitchen table
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The cargo hold floors and mockpit, nose bulkhead as well.
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I want to have boats for mooring etc. stored in the wing floats. I was going to make doors with davits etc. but it will be easier to have the out the back, like an F-4 braking chute :thumbsup:
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My crude math has 1cm equalling 2m ?
200 scale ?
:cheers:
I know its not very helpful, but I always think of this when the goose is mentioned :D
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But I think it would be well worth the build, reminds me of a dragon rapide flying boat
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LOL yes I always want to call it the Spruce Moose myself !
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The keen eye will also see my new piece of bendable-inside-diameter solder in the first pic :thumbsup:
I'm excited! Great progress!
On the laptop...Twelve O'Clock High?
And I want that as a poster or shirt! :lol:
Thanks Zac ! I'm pretty sure the wee boat is from a Tamiya 350 scale Tirpitz. But it will be scaled to 200...or a close approximation od said scale. I need to order some 200 scale bits to really set this thing off. Some PE for ladders and stairs and rails as well as some men. I can scratch up a vehicle or two.
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Here's a reference on Brit seaplane tenders that may be of use in figuring out a possible layout/size.
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Excerpted from this page:
http://www.rania.co.uk/boat%20photos/ST/RAF-HSLAlbum/index2.html
On this site:
http://rania.co.uk/boat%20photos/ST/
Great stuff ! And thanks for the links ! Those are really nice boats and I'll defo be saving the ideas and emulating their style !
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Quote from: Captain Canada on August 27, 2015, 12:28:37 PM
My crude math has 1cm equalling 2m ?
200 scale ?
yes, that's correct.
Just a thought, but could you paint this aircraft up as if it was being used to transport fruit based beverages named after a cartoon cervine?
The Bullwinkle J Moose Juice Spruce Goose...
Sorry, i'll get me coat
lol good one ! Thanks guys.
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Sorry guys work has stalled on this one.....hope to get some mojo back today ! On my second cup of coffee and still no motivation to get off the chair. Ugh.
Well, I'm glad I didn't put this thread in the Civilianize/ militarize GB thread, as I thought I had. Not going to be done in time, that's for sure. And I don't want to rush it. I want to build a nice dio base and add figures and boats and vehicles and perhaps a few other flying boats.
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Good man. Take all the time you need, I know it'll be worth the wait. There's not much worse in modelling than rushing something just to get it done, only to regret not doing it "right" later on.
Thanks Zac ! I actually worked on it tonite....and also found the figures I was looking for online. Pics tomorrow !
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Since I am modelling this bird with the flaps down, and they are big flaps, I thought that a neat idea would be to have a little door/ room where a JATO set could be deployed from each side. That sounds good eh ? I'm sure it would help this beast get off the Sea when heavily laden ! I think it will also add interest as well, once my little dudes show up and I can have them clambering about. I just glued in a couple of supports so I could add a floor before I bolt the wing down.
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As you can see she's a big old bird ! Coming together nicely tho. I have been scribing some lines on the wings and engines, and I want to drill out some port holes on the fuselage and add a bit of panel lines to it as well. Might not make much of a difference, as she will be finished in an overall gloss blue, but it should give me somat to weather etc.
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It looks more impressive in plastic than it does in real life :thumbsup:
Thanks Chris ! I'm scribing the cooling louvres etc into the engine nacelles which should add some realism etc. along with lots of hatches and doors open so I can add a pile of figures to bring the size to life. I need top work on a few vehicles as well might be fun....
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Thanks !
I'd love to see more boats around here :drink:
Does it actually have 'panel lines' as such?
Being made of wood, like a Mosquito, it's effectively all one piece when the glue's dried so they may not be all that visible.
There's a few on the model, but not many. Mine are just to add walkways and a bit of detail, like for the wing leading edge etc. Good point tho, but you never know, maybe the production version would have used more ( and lighter ) metals/ alloys ?
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Quote from: Captain Canada on September 10, 2015, 03:01:11 PM
Good point tho, but you never know, maybe the production version would have used more ( and lighter ) metals/ alloys ?
Yes, I can't imagine Hughes denuding the Oregon, Californian and Washington forests if he'd built a lot of them. ;D
lol too right ! It's one thing to build a fleet of Mossie's entirely of wood, and still have trees to spare...but these things on the other hand....
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I can just imagine a story of one crash landing in northern BC and the locals using it as a source of firewood for the next 30 seasons !
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You wouldn't want to burn it as the smoke would be horrid. :banghead:
It's built out of sheets of Duramold composite, layers of thin birch veneers impregnated with phenolic resin.
BTW not that much of the desirable type birch in the US PNW forests so it wouldn't have been an issue; B.C., Minnesota,
Wisconsin and Michigan on the other hand. ;D
Great progress, Captain! You've got me wanting another of these to build "properly". I went to Hannants and this one's cheap enough, but the A-Model/A-Monster 1/72 one is NZ$700!!! I wouldn't mind doing it though...
Re take-off aids, as a kid I thought podded overwing jets (like those on the Beriev A-40 amphibian) would be handy. I do like the idea of JATO/RATO bottles though.
I hadn't thought about podded jets...but I think that might take away from the 'classic; lines too much.
And thanks for the info re: how it's made....I guess I should do a little reading eh !
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Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on September 10, 2015, 04:30:35 PM
You wouldn't want to burn it as the smoke would be horrid. :banghead:
It's built out of sheets of Duramold composite, layers of thin birch veneers impregnated with phenolic resin.
BTW not that much of the desirable type birch in the US PNW forests so it wouldn't have been an issue; B.C., Minnesota,
Wisconsin and Michigan on the other hand. ;D
What?! It's not spruce?!
Podded over wing jets would look awesome on this. :thumbsup:
Quote from: zenrat on September 11, 2015, 02:18:45 AM
Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on September 10, 2015, 04:30:35 PM
You wouldn't want to burn it as the smoke would be horrid. :banghead:
It's built out of sheets of Duramold composite, layers of thin birch veneers impregnated with phenolic resin.
BTW not that much of the desirable type birch in the US PNW forests so it wouldn't have been an issue; B.C., Minnesota,
Wisconsin and Michigan on the other hand. ;D
What?! It's not spruce?!
Spruce Goose was a derogatory name given it by a particular senator and the press of the time who were against it (much like what we hear these days about the F-35)
Interesting...so should it keep that name for it's in service title ? Might be kind of fun !
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Got a wee bit more done on the interior, mainly the hinged nose joint, as well as a bit more with the wing. I've opened her up in a few places, to allow access and egress to this giant bird. I might keep going, but I might draw a sketch tomorrow and ask for an opinion or two.
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A couple of views of last nights shenanigans.
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Also working on the oil coolers/ intakes or what have you. I'd like to add work platforms to one engine, and scratchbuild a wee engine and have it being worked on.
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That's looking really good Cap'n, a bit like a piston engined, flying boat version of an An-124. ;D
Thank you sir ! Still a long ways to go, but I'm having a lot of fun with it !
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Great nose! Does it hinge up/down?
I vote no jets, but maybe some RATO bottles- eight 4360's is a lot of horsepower, and agree on keeping the lines as much as possible.
-Dave
Thanks ! It's a hinge...I was trying to add bits to make it look more 'hingey' lol. Getting there !
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Quote from: Captain Canada on September 12, 2015, 05:54:42 PM
Thanks ! It's a hinge...I was trying to add bits to make it look more 'hingey' lol. Getting there !
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Wow- scratching a working hinge is tough- I have done a few hinges (C-5 nose, Sea Dart canopy, etc) and it killed me to get them to align. If you can get it to align and function i would declare victory- looking "hingey" is a mere bonus. Good stuff.
Dave.
Sorry to report I have abandoned the hinge.....going to stay up. I cut the nose pieces off before I glued the fuse together, and then built the nose piece separately....looks great open but too much work to get it even close when closed. Oh well, it's a static model anyway..... :blink:
Cool.
When I build hinged flip fronts on cars I deliberately build in enough slop that they move around to where they look best closed. As long as they look good open, and look good closed then what happens in between doesn't really matter and indeed doesn't actually happen if you never photograph it...
That nose looks superb! My jaw dropped when I saw it. Great stuff!!
Quote from: sandiego89 on September 12, 2015, 02:23:22 PMI vote no jets, but maybe some RATO bottles- eight 4360's is a lot of horsepower, and agree on keeping the lines as much as possible.
Perhaps we don't know how it would've performed had Howard had proper permission to fly it, but it barely flew in ground effect on 02/11/47! And that was without cargo, after burning off a lot of fuel from repeated taxi runs through the day, and only a dozen or so passengers/crew. I think it would need assistance! (forgive me, I'm a Hughes nerd!)
Hughes himself called it the Hercules - perhaps it would've kept that name in service and the C-130 could've been Hercules II? As far as a possible designation goes, I can't find a Hughes company designator - maybe in the new timeline Kaiser stuck with it as K - and the Hercules would come under R (Transport). So the first variant could conceivably be the RK, then R2K etc.
Here's a comprehensive mission and company designator list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1922_United_States_Navy_aircraft_designation_system
Actually KZ, the thing nearly broke up while flying that time. I was talking with one of the curators at the Evergreen Museum and he said that there was an engineer sitting in the rear end and he told Hughes to get it back on the water -- like right now -- apparently the tail was trying to twist itself off and huge gaps were appearing at the rear fuselage joint. What we see these days are the remedies that were applied to it to rectify the problems it had, but in the end it needed a total re-design and Hughes just said -- ""screw it"" and parked it -----
This pic shows some of the more visible re-enforcements made to the rear fuselage joint -- the curator thought that the main problem was down to engine vibration, something a turbo-prop might have helped with.
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It was designated the Hughes HK-1 (that's in HughesKaiser-1) or H-4.
Personally I think that even though it had eight of the most powerful engines that Hughes could get at the time, it was grossly under-powered. I've got a project where I'm going to use eight Northrop XT-37's, which were projected to put out around 10,000 shp. Even then I think it's marginal on power
Thanks Kitnut! I was unaware of the tail issue, thanks for the photo.
I know the company designation, but in service it would have something different. I just saw the Martin Mars was the JRM (JR = Utility Transport), so perhaps the Hercules would be JRH (which was McDonnell's designator...but would Howard demand his own?) or JRK (Kaiser).
OK I'll just call this thing the Metal Moose and say the service version was an all new metal aeroplane :thumbsup:
Thanks for the info guys. Interesting stuff !
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Quote from: Captain Canada on September 14, 2015, 08:05:49 AM
OK I'll just call this thing the Metal Moose and say the service version was an all new metal aeroplane :thumbsup:
Thanks for the info guys. Interesting stuff !
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Now you'll HAVE to scribe panel lines on it. ;D
Maybe a few :thumbsup:
Small Update : working on the deck that will house the RATO. This will fill the hole where I've cut out the flaps and I wall also be cutting out a wee bit over the fuselage to make a door that will open when the flaps are down, to deploy the RATO system. Really need to get my wee dudes in. That Hobbylinc has loads of stuff and good pricing, but a week long lag to process your order ?
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Not really my kind of plane but that's very interesting work you're doing, Captain! :thumbsup:
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Thanks you sir ! It's dfinitely been alot of fun to build and fiddle with.
Which makes me wonder, does NA slang fiddle come from fettle ?
Hmmm.....
Loving your work Cap'n C........decided on a paint scheme yet......?
Thank you ! I'm thinking plain old overall gloss blue. I've always like dit and it's easy :thumbsup:
Not sure if you've seen these photos, this model is what I imagine yours will look like:
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Robert Hill was a modelmaker at Hughes and he and the team built a bunch of different HK-1 models. He said they were quite popular! He posted these at the Facebook group "The Greatest Planes That Never Were" and they were also uploaded to SecretProjects.
Also from SP:
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User circle-5 said "Note 3-bladed props and clamshell loading doors, both of which were built and survived in a long term parts storage warehouse for several decades." (my emphasis). Cool!
Oh very cool ! Thanks Zac ! Love the bottom shot....exactly how I envision it as I'm building it.
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Picked up a few sets for my dio, the L'Arsenal bicycles and the ladders etc, as well as the Kingfisher and catapult set. I also have a 200 scale Russian DC-3 that I will be putting on floats. Now, I just need some 200 scale vehicles ? Where's a good place to get them ?
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Perhaps Shapeways?
Quote from: Captain Canada on May 10, 2016, 07:04:50 PM
Now, I just need some 200 scale vehicles ? Where's a good place to get them ?
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https://www.google.ca/search?q=1/200+vehicles&biw=1285&bih=703&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj57bWn5dHMAhUO3mMKHWhDAUIQsAQIGg#imgrc=_
;D TEAMWORK!
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there are lots of pics out there but it's hard to actually find a place to buy what I'm looking for, Korean War era US military. If I owned my own 3D printer it looks like I'd be laughing lol
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http://www.shapeways.com/marketplace/miniatures/vehicles/?tag=1%3A200&s=52#more-products
Still looking for 200 scale period stuff to populate
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Have you looked at the Skytrex range Capt ? http://www.skytrex.com/ (http://www.skytrex.com/)
The company was obviously "resurrected" in 2013 but the stuff I had was good and the range used to be huge
Thanks Chris ! That will certainly help. I'll try an order and see how she goes.....jeeps and trucks and trailer. Perfect load for the Goose !
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I was thinking of adding one or two of the catapults to the dio base. I'm torn tho. It's like I'm just trying to busy it up and/ or use the parts I already have. It would kind of make sense, as there is no runway proper, but it would also be a wee bit unrealistic.
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a catapult for the huge Spruce Goose? a giant catapult? for a giant ship not sinking with this huge weight? ;D :lol:
funny, thanks :thumbsup:
Quote from: Tophe on May 21, 2016, 10:05:29 PM
a catapult for the huge Spruce Goose? a giant catapult?...
Maybe a giant trebuchet?
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Sorry, the cats would be for the Kingfisher set I bought, that came with two cats and two planes.
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I assume the bicycles are to get from one end of the "Goose" to the other in a timely manner? ;)
lol good call ! I think sneaking one atop the wing in my dio will be a good call eh ?
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