Tell me what you think. I purchased the Moebius BSG Pegasus kit in the vendor room at a past contest. There's not much I want to whif about it except for adding more gun turrets to it and/or changing the name. When I looked at the kit, I noticed a lot of guns were on the bottom and/or facing downward, etc. I intend to correct this by placing extra guns on top in certain areas. The normal amount of guns in the kit is 30. I intend to have about 34-40.
Blue dots indicate gun turret positions on the model kit.
Red dots indicate added guns I definately want to have.
Yellow dots are uncertain positions. I am not sure yet.
I was thinking of changing the name to that of a British carrier name and having British flag emblem decals. Maybe Ark Royal or Invincible perhaps?
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Ark Royal is a tad obvious. How about Illustrious or Eagle?
I fully agree with the use of Ark Royal, my late father was on her when she was sunk. Or how about Thesius, he was on her in the Korean war.
As for gun turrets I think you are being seriously conservative in the numbers you are suggesting. Go for broke and smother the beast in them. :thumbsup:
Jim
I'd go for one of the less-obvious ones. Indomitable, Indefatigable, Illustrious, Implacable, Victorious, Formidable, Eagle, Bulwark, Centaur, Colossus, Furious, Glorious, Audacious, etc.
There are plenty of excellent battleship names as well, of course, if none of the above grab you.
Quote from: JayBee on November 22, 2014, 09:23:23 AM
As for gun turrets I think you are being seriously conservative in the numbers you are suggesting. Go for broke and smother the beast in them. :thumbsup:
Jim
Maybe, but..........I don't want to be overzealous with them and make the ship crowded with them. I just want to add enough to cover firing arcs that aren't properly covered. :thumbsup:
Now, as for a new name for the ship, I definately want to stay with a carrier name for sure.
Any other additions or deletions that people can think of? Paint schemes? New decals?
White ensign needs to go somewhere, obviously, and/or perhaps roundels? As for paint, I'd stick with the standard light grey, or perhaps go for a wartime camo scheme as seen on (eg.) Formidable?
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There was actually a carrier called Pegasus which was originally called Ark Royal, the first purpose-built RN carrier. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Ark_Royal_(1914)
How about "HMS Triumph" , sounds about right for a Battlestar.
Andrew
Quote from: pyro-manic on November 22, 2014, 09:26:16 AM
I'd go for one of the less-obvious ones. Indomitable, Indefatigable, Illustrious, Implacable, Victorious, Formidable, Eagle, Bulwark, Centaur, Colossus, Furious, Glorious, Audacious, etc.
There are plenty of excellent battleship names as well, of course, if none of the above grab you.
It's a damm shame that these names weren't considered for the new flat tops that the RN is getting instead of those silly bloody names they are getting!!
The "I"s were used for the Harrier carriers, so they won't come around again for a while. Audacious is one of the new attack subs, Bulwark (and Albion) are the assault ships, Victorious is one of the Trident boats. I do agree though, some great names. The old battleship names are even better IMO. Conqueror, Thunderer, Centurion, Temeraire, Lion, Tiger, etc. :wub: Some have been used for subs, but not enough!
QE I'm fine with, but Prince of Wales is both uninspiring (Charlie isn't the most impressive specimen :rolleyes: ) and has negative connotations - the last PoW was lost in pretty poor fashion. I would have suggested Queen Victoria for the second ship, as there was never a "golden era" (ie Dreadnought up to WW2) capital ship named after her. Quite an omission IMO. It would also be fitting as Lizzie seems likely to match Victoria's longevity record shortly. I'd love to see a new Eagle.
The names arnt that silly. Some one in the navy had the sense to choose names for the carriers that no politician would risk their chance of a peerage (or higher honor) by canceling the ships named after the big boss and number one son.
Assuming that this British battlestar is going to fit into the BSG universe, I'd go for either mythological names (precedent established) or "characteristic" names. You can see how present day Earth mythology might be descended from forgotten Colonial origins, but the name Ark Royal is specifically linked to the British monarchy and as far as I know, there were no monarchs in the Twelve Colonies.
Centaur fits well with the other battlestar names. If the way to shoehorn a "British" cuture into BSG is to have a distinctive sub-colony, then Albion would be a good name for the whole planet.
Quote from: Martin H on November 22, 2014, 04:12:15 PM
The names arnt that silly. Some one in the navy had the sense to choose names for the carriers that no politician would risk their chance of a peerage (or higher honor) by canceling the ships named after the big boss and number one son.
The Prince of Wales has allegedly quietly agreed to the name of the second carrier being changed to Ark Royal after it's too far gone to cancel: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/8487325/Prince-Charles-saves-Ark-Royal.html
There's a lovely quote in there:
"A senior Navy officer said it was virtually unheard of to change the name of a ship that was already being built. "
That "senior Navy officer" needs to read more history books: the gyrations of stops, starts, and name changes in the building programme after WWII are mind-blowing!
Oi, frak me running, 'Prince of Wales' as a ship name has f-all to do with whatever inbred prat holds
the title at the time the ship is commissioned. Never has, never will. I'm rather surprised at Brits
who don't understand that simple reality.
As to a 'Brit' BSG name, realistically (in terms of the story) there can't be one as the whole BSG
myth takes place long before before Earth history. That said HMS Argus fits the overall pseudo-Greek
narrative of the original series (which is actually heavily based on Mormon bullshit, woops excuse me,
Mormon mythology).
HMS Argus on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Argus_(I49)
How about "HMS Camden Lock". :)
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HMS Felgercarb, HMS Frak ?
War Daggit was used in the original series.
From the colonial legal system
Opposer, which acts as the prosecution
Protector, which acts as the defense for the accused.
or Avalon, but you'd need to have captain Brian Ferry
(OK, I know it's the Romanisation of the Greek Odysseus but...) What about Ulysses? :blink:
Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on November 22, 2014, 08:42:45 PM
Oi, frak me running, 'Prince of Wales' as a ship name has f-all to do with whatever inbred prat holds
the title at the time the ship is commissioned. Never has, never will. I'm rather surprised at Brits
who don't understand that simple reality.
The present incumbent has been incumbing for so long that most people can't remember anyone else ever having the title, so whatever the "correct" view, most people will associate a ship called PoW with Charlie-boy whether you like it or not.
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As to a 'Brit' BSG name, realistically (in terms of the story) there can't be one as the whole BSG
myth takes place long before before Earth history. That said HMS Argus fits the overall pseudo-Greek
narrative of the original series (which is actually heavily based on Mormon bullshit, woops excuse me,
Mormon mythology).
HMS Argus on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Argus_(I49)
True, but despite that, "ancient" BSG culture bears more than a passing resemblance to 21st century American, so why can't some odd corner of it be equally anachronistically "British"? ;)
HMS Fred?
Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on November 22, 2014, 08:42:45 PM
Oi, frak me running, 'Prince of Wales' as a ship name has f-all to do with whatever inbred prat holds
the title at the time the ship is commissioned. Never has, never will. I'm rather surprised at Brits
who don't understand that simple reality.
Interestingly the most famous HMS Prince of Wales (probably anyway) was christened such when there wasn't anyone holding the title and there wouldn't be for 20 years or more. Also she was originally to be named King Edward VIII but was renamed when he abdicated.
As for Brits who don't understand Jon, that's a little harsh ;) You are not wrong in assuming that a lot of people will think she is named after the present incumbent rather then named after the title but that is understandable given that most people don't actually think about it and probably wouldn't give a fig if they did.
Quote from: Weaver on November 23, 2014, 06:07:05 PM
Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on November 22, 2014, 08:42:45 PM
Oi, frak me running, 'Prince of Wales' as a ship name has f-all to do with whatever inbred prat holds
the title at the time the ship is commissioned. Never has, never will. I'm rather surprised at Brits
who don't understand that simple reality.
The present incumbent has been incumbing for so long that most people can't remember anyone else ever having the title, so whatever the "correct" view, most people will associate a ship called PoW with Charlie-boy whether you like it or not.
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As to a 'Brit' BSG name, realistically (in terms of the story) there can't be one as the whole BSG
myth takes place long before before Earth history. That said HMS Argus fits the overall pseudo-Greek
narrative of the original series (which is actually heavily based on Mormon bullshit, woops excuse me,
Mormon mythology).
HMS Argus on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Argus_(I49)
True, but despite that, "ancient" BSG culture bears more than a passing resemblance to 21st century American, so why can't some odd corner of it be equally anachronistically "British"? ;)
The heavily Canadian cast and Vancouver locations might generate an argument with some folks as
to the 'culture'. ;)
Anyhow if you go by the info on the Wiki page re the 'Twelve Colonies' of the reboot, Virgon seems
to be the most 'British' in an exagerrated Wodehouse or Waugh fashion. ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Colonies#Society_and_homeworlds
Just a some suggestions, we currently have HMS (SSN) Ambush, HMS (SSBN) Vengeance and HMS Victory on the books.
HMS Warrior in its day could take on anyone's navy and shrug them off.
HMS Campbeltown (USS Buchanan) could also take one for the team.
Oh yeah, and HMS Dreadnaught :)
Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on November 24, 2014, 10:08:31 AM
Anyhow if you go by the info on the Wiki page re the 'Twelve Colonies' of the reboot, Virgon seems
to be the most 'British' in an exagerrated Wodehouse or Waugh fashion. ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Colonies#Society_and_homeworlds
Yes, I agree with that, in which case
Albion is freed up as a possible mythological battlestar name. Since not much seems to have been detailed about Virgon, you might reasonably extend the Greek/Roman "borrowing" of the rest of the series to include pre/non-Christian British elements such as Celtic mythology and Arthurian legend.
Various suggestions:
Centaur (Greek name, RN carrier)
Argus (Greek name, RN carrier)
Albion (RN carrier)
Excalibur
Cernunnos
Epona
Rhiannon
Morrigan
Taranis
Pendragon
Galahad
Arturus
Avalon
Cymbeline
Merlin
Weyland
Quote from: Runway ? ... on November 24, 2014, 10:38:47 AM
Just a some suggestions, we currently have HMS (SSN) Ambush, HMS (SSBN) Vengeance and HMS Victory on the books.
HMS Warrior in its day could take on anyone's navy and shrug them off.
HMS Campbeltown (USS Buchanan) could also take one for the team.
Oh yeah, and HMS Dreadnaught :)
That's Dread
nought. Picky, perhaps, but I feel it's important. :)
Quote from: pyro-manic on November 25, 2014, 10:12:44 AM
Quote from: Runway ? ... on November 24, 2014, 10:38:47 AM
Just a some suggestions, we currently have HMS (SSN) Ambush, HMS (SSBN) Vengeance and HMS Victory on the books.
HMS Warrior in its day could take on anyone's navy and shrug them off.
HMS Campbeltown (USS Buchanan) could also take one for the team.
Oh yeah, and HMS Dreadnaught :)
That's Dreadnought. Picky, perhaps, but I feel it's important. :)
"
nought" is a recognised variation on the spelling of "
naught" & means exactly the same thing, & is the progenitor of the British "
nowt".
Just as "
recognised" and "
recognized" are accepted versions of each other & "
a$$" (Heaven help us!) has become an accepted variation of the word "
arse".
colour =
colorcentre =
center (but
center also =
center :-\ )
;D ;D ;D
What a scream! The auto-censor picked up on the "
donkey" word & left the good Anglo-Saxon original alone! God, I love American programmers! Anyway, I've bodgied it for the nonce.
It depends on your definition of 'recognised'................
Quote from: Old Wombat on November 25, 2014, 04:35:42 PM
What a scream! The auto-censor picked up on the "donkey" word & left the good Anglo-Saxon original alone! God, I love American programmers! Anyway, I've bodgied it for the nonce.
Good old Sweary Mary. What a shame she wouldn't let you say "ass"...... ;)
Quote from: Old Wombat on November 25, 2014, 04:35:42 PM
Quote from: pyro-manic on November 25, 2014, 10:12:44 AM
Quote from: Runway ? ... on November 24, 2014, 10:38:47 AM
Just a some suggestions, we currently have HMS (SSN) Ambush, HMS (SSBN) Vengeance and HMS Victory on the books.
HMS Warrior in its day could take on anyone's navy and shrug them off.
HMS Campbeltown (USS Buchanan) could also take one for the team.
Oh yeah, and HMS Dreadnaught :)
That's Dreadnought. Picky, perhaps, but I feel it's important. :)
"nought" is a recognised variation on the spelling of "naught" & means exactly the same thing, & is the progenitor of the British "nowt".
Just as "recognised" and "recognized" are accepted versions of each other & "a$$" (Heaven help us!) has become an accepted variation of the word "arse".
colour = color
centre = center (but center also = center :-\ )
;D ;D ;D
What a scream! The auto-censor picked up on the "donkey" word & left the good Anglo-Saxon original alone! God, I love American programmers! Anyway, I've bodgied it for the nonce.
Yes, but the
name is Dreadnought. Spelling it Dreadnaught is incorrect.
Like spelling my name (Alun) as Alan or Allan or Allen or even Alyn. They're all wrong, and it's infuriating (and quite insulting) when people continue to get it wrong once they've been told. A frequent occurrence, unfortunately.
Oops! Sorry, pyro (Alun ;D ), I read your post after a night shift when tired but still unable to sleep & read it as "What's Dreadnought."
:banghead:
Guy
No worries! :)
Quote from: pyro-manic on November 27, 2014, 12:54:22 AM
Like spelling my name (Alun) as Alan or Allan or Allen or even Alyn. They're all wrong, and it's infuriating (and quite insulting) when people continue to get it wrong once they've been told. A frequent occurrence, unfortunately.
Take it "Ellen" is quite out of the question then? ;)
Only on special occasions.... :rolleyes:
Quote from: Weaver on November 27, 2014, 02:49:28 PM
Quote from: pyro-manic on November 27, 2014, 12:54:22 AM
Like spelling my name (Alun) as Alan or Allan or Allen or even Alyn. They're all wrong, and it's infuriating (and quite insulting) when people continue to get it wrong once they've been told. A frequent occurrence, unfortunately.
Take it "Ellen" is quite out of the question then? ;)
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I don't think there's anything more that needs to be discussed about a name for the ship. Eventually, I'll think of something. I don't need my thread devolving into political discussion or bashing about names. :angry:
:thumbsup:
However, discussion about paint schemes, decals, and/or weapon systems can still continue if anybody has further suggestions.
having had a ( skim) read of a couple of references with WW2 ship stuff in them, I would go as far as suggesting than you need more AA weapons, the list for light stuff on the big ships is big 2 or 3 types with 40 times and 60 times in front of the calibre.
for weapons themselves, BSG seemed to be energy for the light stuff, with a few very big missiles ( WARNING ive not seen the new version ) so Gatling or clustered barrel energy weapons in turrets, with some of the trickier areas covered by telescopic pole mounted remotes.
and for paint scheme, how detailed do you want? if your going for a decommissioning scheme ( weren't they going to retire Galactica that's why she wasn't at the peace parade) big name and id codes on the launch pontoons, and top side full colour pic of the ships name character, with the 12 colonies flag on the under side. ( how mad do you want to get??)
or the really sorry looking found parked on a wrecking asteroid look, red primer, rust, a dozen coats of slapped on grey in different shades, and the "cut here" lines already painted on.
Quote from: Steel Penguin on November 30, 2014, 12:55:59 AM
having had a ( skim) read of a couple of references with WW2 ship stuff in them, I would go as far as suggesting than you need more AA weapons, the list for light stuff on the big ships is big 2 or 3 types with 40 times and 60 times in front of the calibre.
for weapons themselves, BSG seemed to be energy for the light stuff, with a few very big missiles ( WARNING ive not seen the new version ) so Gatling or clustered barrel energy weapons in turrets, with some of the trickier areas covered by telescopic pole mounted remotes.
and for paint scheme, how detailed do you want? if your going for a decommissioning scheme ( weren't they going to retire Galactica that's why she wasn't at the peace parade) big name and id codes on the launch pontoons, and top side full colour pic of the ships name character, with the 12 colonies flag on the under side. ( how mad do you want to get??)
or the really sorry looking found parked on a wrecking asteroid look, red primer, rust, a dozen coats of slapped on grey in different shades, and the "cut here" lines already painted on.
New BSG (which is where seadude's Pegasus model comes from) uses projectile weapons and missiles almost exlusively, with the occasional nuke thrown in for good measure. Chief defensive tactic of Battlestars is a "barrage" of projectiles with what seem to be time/proximity fuses.
Here's a short compilation that gives you the flavour of it without any spoilers, should you want to watch the series at some point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qgmj0tjiGro
in that case, lots of turrets, Gatling's, Quad barrel pompoms, maybe some long twin barrels for rail guns. mwahahahahahha
Quote from: Steel Penguin on November 30, 2014, 11:38:54 AM
in that case, lots of turrets, Gatling's, Quad barrel pompoms, maybe some long twin barrels for rail guns. mwahahahahahha
The more armament I add, the more crowded the ship looks with guns all over. All the colored dots in the picture in my first post show locations for the bigger anti-ship turrets that Pegasus and Galactica normally have. I have nothing in my spare parts box for tinier 1/700 or smaller gun turrets for anti-fighter/missile defense.
Quote from: Steel Penguin on November 30, 2014, 12:55:59 AM
...or the really sorry looking found parked on a wrecking asteroid look, red primer, rust, a dozen coats of slapped on grey in different shades, and the "cut here" lines already painted on.
Why would it rust in a vacuum?
Unless the asteroid it had been parked on had a thin but highly corrosive atmosphere clinging to it's surface.
How about having a small dreadlocked figure in a space suit finishing off painting the name?
as im assuming its built from super ceramics and unobtaium , corroded, and sorry looking are probably better descriptors ;) but rust is a good shorthand for them and is easily look up able, trace gas interactions from the roid , space dust, and the interior atmosphere interacting and eating it was out through corrosion of the hull etc.
the above option is a weathering dream ( or nightmare)
Id prefer to go to the full on LOOK AT ME peace parade version ( aghh a thought strikes even as I type and my head cold makes it hurt!! do the parade version after she been at the roid .... all the lovely painting and stuff but with the corrosion eating chunks, and dust obscuring stuff .....)
Well Galactica aged and eventually wore out as the series progressed, so that can be a guide to how these ships react to time and use. What killed Galactica eventually was structural problems due to repeated FTL jumps, which are apparently quite stressful in the BSG universe. Add to that some serious battle damage, including direct nuke hits, of course.
I think if a battlestar were left on an asteroid, the kind of weathering you might see would be quite subtle: they are, after all, armoured to blazes. Pitting from micro-meteoroids would dull the surface and, given enough time, erode shapr corners into round ones. Exposure to UV might change the colour for brighter or darker depending on the surface finish.
I think a more interesting yard-wreck would be one on the surface of a planet, but it would be a harder modelling job. You might imagine the structure sagging and collapsing under gravity, or even being partially dismantled, and rust and other forms of corrosion would now definately be a factor. Vegetation is an interesting option too: nothing says "abandoned" like a tree growing through the middle gap between the flight bay and the hull.
Quote from: Weaver on December 04, 2014, 03:39:36 AM
Well Galactica aged and eventually wore out as the series progressed, so that can be a guide to how these ships react to time and use. What killed Galactica eventually was structural problems due to repeated FTL jumps, which are apparently quite stressful in the BSG universe. Add to that some serious battle damage, including direct nuke hits, of course.
Don't forget about (Spoiler Alert!) shoddy workmanship during construction regarding the keel exacerbated that.
What about that floating aircraft carrier that UNIT was operating in the Doctor Who universe? I believe they named it HMS Valiant? It either got blasted out of the sky during the great battle between Torchwood and the Daleks, or they got rid of I because if looked 'too damn Captain Scarlet'. But something like HMS Valiant II (refit) could work. My only suggestion then would be to cut the top of the two sideways fighter launch bays and transform them into open flight decks. May be with some of Captain Scarlet's Angel fighter jets standing around for good measure?
'Niklas
The beauty of weathering Sci Fi stuff is unless you are building an exact replica from comics, film or TV pics no-one can tell you you've got it wrong.
For example, "rust" could be a hull eating space-lichen that gives off iron oxide as a waste product.
And who knows what effect energy weapons would have on an armoured hull?
Iain M Banks talks of spaceships having "Scar Hulls" on which the patterns left by enemy CREWs (Coherent Radiation Emitting Weapons - Lasers, Masers, Grasers etc) are worn as badges of valour. Not sure which book. Possibly Excession?
Of course building a Culture ship with its fields extended would require no weathering - just spray a large plastic egg with Alcad Chrome!
For weathering the question should probably be not "what weapons does the Battlestar have" but "what weapons have been fired at it"?
Quote from: zenrat on December 06, 2014, 11:34:44 PM
For example, "rust" could be a hull eating space-lichen that gives off iron oxide as a waste product.
Yes, but this being Hollywood, it'd have to be lime green, 'cos like, everybody knows that scary biological things are
always lime green, right? I mean if it wasn't green, the audience would get confused because they wouldn't instantly understand what it was. Probably have to be glowing too, just in case the audience were too dumb to even notice it..... ;)
No no no. It would only glow lime green if it was a radioactive mutant hull eating space-lichen.
Normal hull eating space lichen is a yellowish grey. As ane fule kno.
Quote from: Runway ? ... on November 23, 2014, 07:33:41 AM
How about "HMS Camden Lock". :)
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Just noticed the serial number... :)
Quote from: Caveman on December 14, 2014, 10:22:55 AM
Just noticed the serial number... :)
How very British. :thumbsup: ;D