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Very rushed basic drawing inspired by the "Whiffs found on Facebook" thread reply #242 HERE (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,37210.msg658234.html#msg658234)
Thinking more about this, it may look better without the outer engines and outer horizontal stabilizers. And a vertical stabilizer at the end of each fuselage instead of the four fins in the pic.
I'll modify the pic later to see what that would look like.
whats better than a gau-8?
THREE gau-8s! :wub:
Quote from: eatthis on November 08, 2014, 01:02:02 AM
whats better than a gau-8?
THREE gau-8s! :wub:
There is 5 ;D
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To clear things up there are 3 GAU-8's in the usual place, and 2 more on the outer fuselages on top of the nose, set back a few (or more) feet so the ammo drums would be located were the cockpit tubs would normally be.
And only six hardpoints for fuel tanks, I think five Avenger's would be enough firepower :rolleyes:.
Quote from: Flyer on November 08, 2014, 02:31:26 AM
To clear things up there are 3 GAU-8's in the usual place, and 2 more on the outer fuselages on top of the nose, set back a few (or more) feet so the ammo drums would be located were the cockpit tubs would normally be.
The real Ammo drums are behind the cockpit so you can't place them where the cockpit was in the outer fuselages as the barrel length of the guns will not allow for that unless you radically alter the feed and loading mechanism for the guns.
Gondor
Quote from: Gondor on November 08, 2014, 04:24:38 AM
Quote from: Flyer on November 08, 2014, 02:31:26 AM
To clear things up there are 3 GAU-8's in the usual place, and 2 more on the outer fuselages on top of the nose, set back a few (or more) feet so the ammo drums would be located were the cockpit tubs would normally be.
The real Ammo drums are behind the cockpit so you can't place them where the cockpit was in the outer fuselages as the barrel length of the guns will not allow for that unless you radically alter the feed and loading mechanism for the guns.
Gondor
Whoops, bit of an oversight. OK the drums for guns 4 & 5 are located behind the drums for guns 2 & 3 and the cockpit areas are empty space or fuel tanks :rolleyes:
Cheers for the correction Gondor :thumbsup:
Makes the Sea Hog look silly!
Oh i just love it. I'd pay money to hear Arnie say that name. How about one working for the Fire service, those 3 (5?) GAU-8s used to clear firebreaks ;D. Redwoods to matchsticks in nff seconds.
Are you sure that Beetle's not a Tamiya model? ;D
:o
Someone's stolen the plane out from under that GAU-8!
:o
Quote from: Old Wombat on November 12, 2014, 10:37:35 PM
:o
Someone's stolen the plane out from under that GAU-8!
:o
I think it's what all those various insurgents would like to upgrade to from the AA-gun in the back of the Toyota pick-up! :o
The idea that scooter (b@$t@rd!) put into my head with the 1st Obliterator photochop pic was;
Centre fuselage: YA-10B with wings cut off at the landing gear
Port fuselage: A-10A/C with right wing cut off at the landing gear, remove cockpit, move GAU-8 up, ground search radar placed in lower nose area, swap the
nose-gear to the left side
Starboard Fuselage: A-10A/C with left wing cut off at the landing gear, remove cockpit, move GAU-8 up, FLIR targeting pod placed in lower nose area
Keep all 6 engines, link all tail units & keep all tail surfaces & fins, modify inner sets of landing gear to twin-oleo-strut units (maybe twin-wheel, too), run 3 x centre-line drop tanks, lots of bombs & missiles.
In my mind it looks positively Evil! :wacko:
With any luck I'll eventually bash this in 1/72nd scale (not part of the great RAM Plan, so not 1/48).
That really is the most amazing photo. Love the A-10, spent hours at the end of Bentwaters airfield watching them come and go...my Gran called them Hoovers. What's fun is when you put a B-25 Gunship next to an A-10 you realise that they are essentially a form of engineering evolution, and about the same size.
I always think that 1/72 scale models of A-10s are 1/48 scale, it's a HUGE aeroplane!
Both the A 10 and the YA 9 were literally designed around the GAU 8
Quote from: salt6 on November 12, 2014, 05:00:17 PM
Might be a tight fit for two guns.
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I modified that pic and there would be room. The outer fuselages would have a slightly different profile like below.
There would be no fuel in the outer fuselages, all fuel is in centre fuselage and in tanks on the six pylons. Because the centre fuselage is a normal A-10 it would have air-air refueling capability.
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Wow that can replace the MQ-1 Predator :o
Quote from: Jesse220 on November 13, 2014, 12:24:25 PM
Wow that can replace the MQ-1 Predator :o
Except it would be around twice the size and FOURTY times the weight.............
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 13, 2014, 12:39:12 PM
Quote from: Jesse220 on November 13, 2014, 12:24:25 PM
Wow that can replace the MQ-1 Predator :o
Except it would be around twice the size and FOURTY times the weight.............
with one hundred and eleventy three times the firepower :lol:
I would lean toward the P-38 style configuration myself. Or perhaps a F-82 style with a gun or two in a pod on the centerline. With the guns off centerline the recoil will slew the gun right or left.
Surely you can have the ammo drum in a different position relative to the gun by re-engineering the feed between the 2?
Then you can have the drum for the second gun in the former cockpit and the gun directly above the first one.
Surely it would fly backwards when you fire all the guns at once?! :blink: ;D
Quote from: Nick on November 16, 2014, 02:56:28 PM
Surely it would fly backwards when you fire all the guns at once?! :blink: ;D
I was thinking the same thing.
I remember on a visit to Alconbury when the A-10's were based there. The weapons tech giving us the guided tour of a 30mm mounted on a test rig said that anything longer than a 3 second burst of the gun would stall the aircraft, regardless of its airspeed.
On a side note it seems most A 10 drivers dont know the real range of the gun. The same tech mentioned the range when asked, but when told by one of our cadets that when they had asked the pilot who had shown us around his aircraft an hour earlier and he had said the gun's range was classified. The techs reply was a classic.
"oh? That because he doesn't really know. we don't tell the pilots the real range...If we did they wouldn't get in close enough!"
Quote from: zenrat on November 16, 2014, 02:27:55 AM
Surely you can have the ammo drum in a different position relative to the gun by re-engineering the feed between the 2?
Then you can have the drum for the second gun in the former cockpit and the gun directly above the first one.
My idea is to move the guns to above the magazines, with the chutes looped up to feed them. That way you can move one magazine forward into the area formerly occupied by the cockpit, with the other moved forward
almost to where the original magazine was (but not quite). The guns would be fitted with the mechanism above the front end of the magazine with the forward gun on the inside of the nacelle & the rear gun on the outside. This may require an extended faring for the forward gun supported by a vertical fin but the rear gun shouldn't need much more than the existing gun.
OR you could reverse the forward magazine (so that the feed chute was at the rear) & modify how the rounds were loaded, so that both guns could be mounted just above the rear magazine, side-by-side. That way both guns would be largely enclosed within the fuselage with minimal external farings.
I, personally prefer the 1st system because it allows the same gun/magazine unit to be used to replace all guns, with the gun mounting brackets just needing to be clicked over from left-mount to right-mount or vise-verse to fit any of the 4 positions.
The front wheel-well(s) may require some re-alignment of the magazine & may, itself, need to be moved to an (extreme?) inner/outer position on the outer nacelles. With no guns in the centre nacelle that wheel-well could be moved to a central alignment.
My tu'penny-ha'penny! ;D