I've been pondering a new project, mainly because I'm on an F-82 kick but also I've got an idea for a tri-gear P-51. It seemed to me the wing from a FJ-1 could be used on the tri-gear but then I started to see another possibility.
So here's something I've cobbled together quickly so I can get an actual visual of it in my head, already had it there but needed a physical object in front of me.
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This will actually be a nightfighter, no guns in the center section and with the huge radar pod from the F-82, but can you imaging it like this --- eighteen forward firing .5's.
The spare set of wings left over though, will be used to build an XP-86 (straight wing) which was RW.
Tophe will LOVE it! ;D :lol:
That looks awesome ! Now get on it and get it finished ! I might order a few things from West Coast hobby next week and that will be one of them. One, that is :thumbsup:
PS-Tophe will like it, but it's got too many guns for him to love it !
:cheers:
:thumbsup: :wub: Reminds me that I have a (Bulgarian) MiG-15 twin build on my project list, too...
Very nice. The straight-wing F-86 is also a nice idea!
That's quick work Robert.
One of the first models that I posted on this forum was a tri-gear P-51D, aka the Kelpie FR-7.
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The back story _
In 1944 carrier acceptance trials were carried out with a 'hooked' P-51D Mustang aboard the USS Shangri La.
These test were totally successful.
However the US Navy was more interested in air-cooled engines and so it went no further.
The Fleet Air Arm recognised a winner when they saw one and ordered an initial batch of six hooked P-51D's for training, these were given the name Sea Mustang I.
This was followed by a large order for fully navalised machines approximately 50/50 fighter, and fighter reconnaissance.
These were to be called Sea Mustangs II & III.
However their Lordships at the Admiralty did not like the name. I mean, a SEA HORSE, does not give the right impression.
Then Rear Vice Admiral Tarquin Mandelbrot McPhail, The Lord Auchenshugle, suggested a name from Celtic folklore that was accepted by all - KELPIE.
The next version had a RR Griffon engine driving a five bladed prop, and to assist in counteracting the extra torque the rudder was increased in height.
These were the Kelpie IV and V respectively.
( Note: North American later used the same shape to increase the rear vertical area, but they extended the fin, not the rudder as in the Kelpie).
The final versions were the Kelpie F-6 and FR-7.
These had contra rotating props and tricycle undercarriage.
At the time of the Suez crisis (Operation Musketeer) there were three Kelpie FR-7's still in the operational inventory, and they were embarked on HMS Eagle.
One was used as a spares source, so only two flew in the campaign.
One of these was so badly damaged that the pilot was unable to land on and had to 'take to the silk' being recovered safely.
The final survivor carried out several more operational sorties, but was retired soon afterwards.
She is now undergoing restoration for static display at the FAA Museum at RNAS Yeovilton.
Base Kit: Italeri P-51D
Other bits :
Engine - Academy Spifire XIV.
Propellor - Aeroclub.
Nose U/C - spares box (P-39, I think)
Drop tanks -spares box.
Camera window - Clear plastic drinks swizzle stick, courtesy British Airways!
KELPIE :
The kelpie is a mythical water horse from Celtic folklore that is believed to haunt the rivers and lochs of Scotland and Ireland.
It is said to lure mortals, especially children, into the water to drown, and eat , them.
In other words a beastie with attitude!
Thanks guys, love the tri-gear Mustang Jim -- I'd not seen that before but my thinking for one was pretty much the same. What did you use for your propeller ?
Here's something I put together a few months ago --
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For a wing I've used a Tucano wing because it's quite close to a P-51 wing but made for tri-gear. But I've since abandoned the Beechnut F-51H I was using (it's a bit of ka-ka) and I'll be using a High Planes F-51H fuselage instead
Quote from: kitnut617 on October 19, 2014, 06:16:42 AM
What did you use for your propeller ?
It was an Aeroclub white metal unit for the Spitfire, rather difficult to get now (Sigh!) :banghead:
It also has the advantage of giving you a nice big lump of white metal as a nose weight.
Jim
I think I've got one in the stash, I'll have to have a rummage through the box again (got dozens of Aeroclub props and such). Good idea for the nose weight though, it needs quite a bit. I think I'll stick with the five blade one though, seeing as I went to the trouble of making it up from a bunch of spare Special Hobby Spitfire blades (it's not Griffon 5-blade prop ;) )
Nice looking Kelpie ! Don't recall seeing it before. Looks right in some pics, but wrong in others...but that's just my eyes thinking I'm looking at a Mustang !
:cheers:
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 18, 2014, 05:44:23 PM
Tophe will LOVE it! ;D :lol:
I DO love it! :wub: :wub: (though I come here rarely, going directly to the Aircraft section, sorry :-\ )
I was hoping the Sabre Zwilling would not be scraped before completion... Then I got a true photograph of this aircraft, finished and flown! (in top-secrecy, without markings as this is only for secret missions):
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Looks good all tidied up like that Tophe :thumbsup:
It's still on the go, but really slowly at the moment as my new job is seriously cutting into model building time ---
Would the twin Fury, with its more rounded fuselage, blend in with a radial cowling easily? Radial engine P-82......Just a thought.
Quote from: kerick on February 15, 2015, 10:36:28 AM
Would the twin Fury, with its more rounded fuselage, blend in with a radial cowling easily? Radial engine P-82......Just a thought.
That's a good idea, use a couple of R-2800 -- say from a P-61
Yes, good idea ;D but... :-\ before ordering 200 radial P-82R, it would be better to check with 5 copies of half-radial YP-82R:
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Well this build is back on, just got the go-ahead to join the Cold War GB with it.
Coo coo ca choo ! Sounds good !
:cheers:
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on October 19, 2014, 01:38:23 AM
The straight-wing F-86 is also a nice idea!
It will look like this when done, plus some wingtip tanks.
XP-86 (straight wing):
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As requested by the Mods this has been moved here as it is now part of the GB
Thanks Guys......
Apart from some of the distractions at the start of this thread, this will be of the Twin Fury in the first post. It's my idea of a natural progression North American made, continuing on in the two fuselage vein from the F-82. It will be a night fighter but my model will be off a later variant which had progressed to an 'All-Weather' fighter.
The idea is it was a 'stop-gap' project which was needed urgently in around 1946-49 time period when things with the Soviet Union started to get messy.
Here is a more recent photo of what I'll try to build, this is just taped, pinned, or held together with modelers clay. Comparing it with the photos in the first post you can see I'm also extending the rear fuselage 1/2", which is 3 feet in 1/72 scale. It will have 'slats & flaps' modeled deployed too. In the case of the flaps, fowler flaps instead of the drooping flaps the FJ-1 originally had.
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Here's a pic of the bits after un-taping it so it can be seen where I am with it so far.
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Hopefully, I can get this one finished --------- ;D
Found this photo on the internet, so I know we're in the same time period
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Looks like those guys have used ample tape to hold the aircraft together too.
This project looks like it should be quite simple to do, I'm going to use the center wing section from a F-82 along with the slab tail plane. Some major surgery needed is to move the wheel bay from the leading edge to behind the wing spar, I'll need to remove some of the old F-82 fuselage from the lower side of the wing first, then cut the wheel bays out. I'll have to fill in the hole before I cut out the new position. This below is about all that's left of a donor F-82 which has seen parts go to a number of projects I've built in the past;
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The other bit of surgery is to remove the leading edge of the outer wings to except the slat leading edge. In my last set of photos you can see I've been trial fitting some blue coloured slats, these are originally for an F-100 and are made by High Planes. I seem to have got hold of two sets so I thought they might work on this project. Here's a pic of those;
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But then, while rummaging around for something else, I found that I got hold of a Cutting Edge set of F-86 slats. Not sure when I got those or from where but they seem to be a better option as far as slats go for this project,
pic of those;
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But considering the rarity of these I'm loathed to start chopping them up, so I think I might just cut the leading edge off this wing, a Hobbycraft F-86;
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For the center wing section I'll scratch build a slat, I've cut this out of a piece of RC aluminum strut, it's the trailing edge of the strut which has a shape quite reminiscent to the F-86 slat;
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Of course the other bit of surgery is the rear fuselage extension, I've started it and filling in the space shouldn't be a problem.
Going to use some of the F-82 cockpit parts and a pair of pilots, and then use a Falcon FJ-1 canopy set instead of the original kit canopies. The last bit of the re-work, is to make the nose wheel legs 'handed', so both wheel outside faces, face outward to the wing tips.
The FJ-1 is a bit of an anomaly in North American design practice of the time, it's wings were made separately and bolted to the sides of the fuselage much like British manufacturers practice. Not their usual all-in-one wing that the Mustang got.
Here's a photo I found on the internet which shows it very well;
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And here you can see it on the kit too, I've no idea why they went this route on the FJ-1 except that the fuselage depth may have something to do with a bigger fuel tank.
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Anyway, started on the clean up of the center wing,
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Great work Robert and thanks for the pics....wow to the first one ! That's one of the most iconic photos I've seen....just love it thanks.
As for the single, what are the wings you are using on that one ? Love the look !
:cheers:
Using the spare wings from the second FJ-1 kit Todd. Mind you. I think I'll have to use them on the Twin Fury because I've glued the ones I was going to use and I suddenly realized last night I shouldn't have because I want to make fowler flaps instead of drooping flaps. I'll then use what was the Twin Fury outer wings on the XP-86.
I've got the wheel bays cut out of the wing center section and the gaps filled in with styrene card;
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so the next thing was to work out where their new position will be. So I mated up the outer wings to the center section to see what has to be done;
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First thing you'll notice is the FJ-1 wheel bays are the reverse of the F-82 ones, that is the ""pan-handle"" where the u/c leg retracts into is on the rear side of the bay and not on the forward side as the F-82 has it. So I turned the F-82 wheel bays around and then lined up the forward edge of the bay with the wing spar. I found that the u/c oleo hinge would be about in line with the FJ-1 u/c hinge would be, except they won't be in the outer wing but in the fuselage.
In this pic, I've positioned the wheel bays where I want them to be, I found that the FJ-1 fuselage is about 12" wider than the F-82 fuselage so some of the bay where the wheel retracts into will be partially in the fuselage now.
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I had worked this out previously in my mind but now can see physically what I have to do. It's one of the reasons I decided to extend the rear fuselage, the wheel bay has to come before the engine.
Now I'm looking at the slat & flap installation before I glue things together, only what I had in mind doesn't seem to work as I had imagined. I was looking at increasing the wing area by using Fowler flaps, using technology that was already around in the time period. Only it doesn't do what I thought it would do. I might switch it to Gouge Flaps now, B-29's had that system as did Sunderlands and at least the prototype Sterling did too. Only I've not seen photos of Gouge Flaps with slats installed on the leading edge. Got to find out if it works like that before I go any further
Good work there Robert, that's coming along well.
Thanks Kit,
Well been doing some research, and after looking at the various flap systems, I'll stick with my original plan and go with Fowler Flaps. It seems there are various ways to mount and operate the system and the B-29 way (which was a Boeing variation of the Fowler flap) has them mounted on tracks so that's the way mine will go. I think I'll look at one of my Revell/Monogram B-52's as they have actually modelled the flaps to work and the B-29 system is similar.
I've got the wheel bays glued into their new location,
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So the next step was to see if it would fit into the fuselages. Starting with one fuselage first I cut a corresponding hole for the wheel bay into it,
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then inserted the wheel bay into it,
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a problem I could see was it would be too deep into the underside,
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I decided to look at the undercarriage I'm going to use, the F-82 parts. I couldn't help but notice that there's a lot of similarities between the FJ-1 leg and the F-82 leg, except for the wheel size. They're practically the same in appearance and length. I've included the nose gear just so I can see how much of a difference there is between the lot,
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After a night's sleep pondering what to do with the bay, I decided to modify the bay so it sloped from the outer side of the fuselage, to the center wing side. I did this by sawing a couple of notches in the wheel bay wall near the wing joint area, then bent it up to an angle that looked about right. I also cut some slots where the u/c hinge would be so I could level out that bit so it was on the same plane as the wing.
Here' you can see what I did,
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This shows the difference very well,
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and how the wheel bay now looks in the fuselage,
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Now onto duplicating everything ---
Looking good Robert. Nice to see you working ! On models, that is :thumbsup:
I agree: I am happy the Twin-Sabre/Fury will be finished... :thumbsup:
Thanks guys ----
I was looking at the F-82 cockpits so I can start planning how to install them when I saw they're actually quite plain, and no decals to spruce it up either. I then remember I had a couple of these True Details sets in the stash;
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It's for an F-94 really, but it fits in the time period and just what I'm looking for to detail the cockpits. Just got to carefully cut the tub into two bits though :-\
I've also decided to use a couple of F-86 nose u/c bays instead of the odd FJ-1 ones, keeps the bay doors more simple too.
That will defo help dress it up and add realism !
:cheers:
Like Star Wars :lol: :lol: :wub:
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Haven't had a lot of time for model building lately, had to concentrate on getting my security license and other things at work, but I've manage to get my wing modifications done.
In this pic, the top wing is how it would be in flight, the bottom wing would be for take-offs and landings, all slats & flaps extended and I'm going with the Cutting Edge slats on the outer wings and scratch built slat for the center and Fowler flaps all along the trailing edge. I decided not to go with the drooping ailerons as I can't find any info if they were a technology back in the late 40's/early 50's.
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And the decals have been ordered, which will be a variation of these. Just having the serial numbers changed for what I want.
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And I've got the cockpit tubs fitted in, just needs a bit of tidying up before it all gets glued in.
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Couple of pics of how the slats and flaps look from the wing root ends, top pic is the center section, bottom pic one of the outer wings. You can see I've made the flaps have an airfoil section to them.
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One fuselage is now almost completely assembled, made up some better air intakes and exhaust nozzle out of aluminum tubing.
Here's a trial fit up of the center wing section with radar pod (wanted to see it like that for the first time) and also the starboard wing. The wings are held there by the aluminum tube I'm going to use as a spar. This should line up the two fuselages nicely.
Been doing some research into drooped ailerons, seems no one thinks they're a good idea. However, reading the chapter about the Supermarine 322 'Dumbo' in the book British Experimental Combat Aircraft of WW II, it says it was equipped with ""slotted ailerons"" after the normal ailerons were ineffective when the slats and flaps were deployed. Think that answers the question I had whether enhanced ailerons like that were technology back around 1946-49. Anyway, I'm going to go with slotted ailerons on this one ---
Here's a couple of pics of the 'almost' finished fuselage.
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Quote from: kitnut617 on February 21, 2016, 12:03:07 PM
Anyway, I'm going to go with slotted ailerons on this one ---
Change of plan --- again. Had a chat with Evan (our resident aero engineer), and he says just to go the way I have it now ----- :lol:
Some progress but I went on vacation for a week or so in between.
Got most of the second fuselage assembled, I just need to modify the wing root on it before I think about gluing the lot together.
In this pic, you can see the wing root fairing in it's original length, this is to match the wing's root leading edge extension, but I have removed that so I can use full span slats.
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This pic shows the modification done on the other fuselage already. I carefully cut out half of the wing root, trimmed it to length then repositioned it in the fuselage side. Then added in some card to fill in the hole. The thin strips of styrene is to replace the material that the razor saw cuts out (if you're wondering)
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This pic shows I still have to carefully file out the air intake on the second fuselage, I'm making it a bit bigger in diameter than what the FJ-1 has.
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I'm going to make the fin/rudder taller, I've already got a plan to increase the tail-plane area but got thinking about the fin. Comparing the P-51H fin/rudder with the F-82 fin/rudder and you can see that the F-82 has quite a bit bigger fin. I'm going with the same line of thought with this Twin Fury but I'll just extend the top of the fin. It will look like the P-51H fin only bigger once I'm done with it.
Lastly, my decals arrived --- now I've no reason why I can't get this project finished ---- hopefully ---- maybe ---- well ------
Oh! and another thing, the very nice Falcon replacement FJ-1 canopies I'm going to use --- do not fit the Siga FJ-1 at all (heck, even the kit canopies don't fit the kit), I'm having to carefully re-shape the cockpit opening to get them to fit, you can just make out what I've had to do to get them to fit if you look at the starboard fuselage carefully
Coming along nicely
Thanks Chris :thumbsup:
One of the things that I wanted to do was to make the nose u/c gear 'handed', that's so the wheel faces would point to the outside. Fortunately, the nose gear style made it fairly easy to convert. I carefully cut the leg to the steering mechanism off the main leg, massaged the leg so it bent the other way, drilled out a hole in that and the main leg, then pinned it with a small length of mig welding wire using super-glue. It worked out quite well. The other thing was to sort out some more robust wheels for the main gear as this aircraft would be heavier than an F-82, and found some in the stash which I can't remember for the life of me why I bought them (when Peter Wright of Aeroclub was still alive) which will serve the purpose.
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Here's a pic of the kit canopy fitted to the model, I had some re-profiling of the bottom edges to get it to fit the kit's fuselage. Even then it doesn't fit to good. Plus it's a bit opaque ----
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Now this is a pic of the Falcon canopy fitted to one fuselage. This canopy is designed to fit the Pegasus, Merlin or RarePlane kits, it does not fit the Siga kit as the fuselage is out of the box. I've had to do quite a bit of cutting and filing to the fuselage cockpit opening and some slight re-profiling of the top of the fuselage nose to get it to fit. I think it looks a bit better and more like photos of the real FJ-1 but that's just my opinion.
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This pic shows the result of extending the fin tips, in real world dimensions, it's 18" higher
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I used fin tips from my abandoned Beechnut P-51H kit. I cut about .166" (close to 3/16") off the top of the FJ-1 fin first, then added about .4375" (which is 7/16") of the P-51H fin to that. The P-51H fin doesn't quite match the FJ-1 fin profile, so I used enough of the P-51H fin so I could file the leading edge to match. I lined up the trailing edge first which did match the FJ-1 fin then re-profiled the leading edge of the P-51H fin to be in-line with the FJ-1 fin leading edge.
I'm also working out what I need to do to the tail plane, it's a work-in-progress at the moment though so not quite representative of the end result I have in mind.
Near catastrophe yesterday --- I dropped the model ----- :-X :-X :-X :-X
It bounced off a chair first, but I managed to catch it before it hit the floor but the loose parts went everywhere. As I stooped to pick up the pieces there was this ominous sound like 'sscrunnncccccch' yeah you guessed it I stood on something which turned out to be my nice crystal clear canopy ---- completely flattened it. I did try to pop it back into shape but there's a real nasty crease right across one side to the other about where the pilot's head would be. Fortunately I've got three more but now it means more work I didn't want to do --- The rest of the model survived reasonably well, no broken parts thank goodness
Horrible feeling when you hear that sound. Glad you at least have a repleacement
The damaged canopy, you can see the crease here. There's a couple of dimples too ---- :banghead: might be able to use it for something else.
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Anyway, to make this project as plausible as possible I've been doing a lot of comparing between P-51's, F-82's and FJ-1's.
Although the F-82 looks like it's two P-51's joined together, it's actually two fuselages but only one & a half wings from calculating the areas of them. And the tail-plane seems to be one & a half of the area too.
As the F-82 is heavily based on the P-51H, here's a pic of the P-51H tail-plane over the F-82 tail-plane, you can see just how much more area the F-82 one has.
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But when I do the same with the FJ-1 tail-plane (and also calculating the area), the two types of tail-plane are very close in area.
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My wing on this project is still about 1 1/2 times so my thoughts are the tail-plane should be too. In this pic I've attached the FJ-1 tail-plane as it comes out the box
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It looks too much so I decided to shorten the outer tail-planes. But by how much I thought.
Here's a comparison of a P-51D tail-plane (top) and a P-51H one (middle) and the FJ-1 tail-plane (bottom)
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So first I shortened the FJ-1 tail-planes to the length of the P-51H ones, but I still thought it was too much
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So I shortened them again to be the same length as the P-51D tail-plane (if anyone is wondering why I just didn't use the P-51D tail-planes it's because the chord lengths are way smaller than the FJ-1 ones)
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I'll look at this for a while to see if I like it, I may decide to shorten them some more.
What I found interesting is without modifying either FJ-1 and F-82 tail-planes, when I attached them to where the tail-planes are supposed to go, the elevator hinge line just lined up perfectly in a dead straight line from tip to tip
Quote from: kitnut617 on March 21, 2016, 08:57:00 AM
Anyway, to make this project as plausible as possible I've been doing a lot of comparing
This will be great! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Tophe on March 21, 2016, 11:51:46 AM
Quote from: kitnut617 on March 21, 2016, 08:57:00 AM
Anyway, to make this project as plausible as possible I've been doing a lot of comparing
This will be great! :thumbsup:
Thanks Tophe
Here's a sneak peek at a part of the load-out this will have.
So being a long range patroller/interceptor and having thirsty early turbo jets ------
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you'll have to wait for the complete load-out though. First I have to cast up a pair of the under-wing tanks (they're 460 US Gal. ones BTW and the one hanging under the wing is a trial fit-up) and second got to figure out how I want the other pylons ----- ;)
OK, the thinking and planning is all done, the technical issues all sorted out and all that is left to do is glue the major sub-assemblies together and tidy a few things up.
So here's a small photo-op of how this aircraft would look like in flight. There won't be any other photos like this as the model will be finished and displayed with everything extended (slats, flaps and undercarriage).
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Looks great Robert ! Love the way she's coming along.
:cheers:
Thanks Todd --
I had figured I would have to put in quite a bit of nose weight in the pod to get this to sit on it's quad undercarriage, so did a bit of test balancing today (the rest of the weekend was shot because of the holiday so not got anything done to it)
To my amazement, it balances out almost perfectly as it is. But I think I'll put in one heavy-ish fishing line weight just to make sure it does stay on it's wheels.
A bit of the back-story ---
Sometime in 1947 the USN found they needed a jet night-fighter as quickly as possible and North American's response was a jet version of their F-82. However, the Navy rejected it as being a bit too big for their carriers although the possibility of the Marines using it land based was kept in mind. But also attending the prototype's flying demonstration were officers from the USAAF (soon to be renamed USAF) who were a bit alarmed that the aircraft had just made their premium night-fighter (the F-82) totally obsolete. A month or so after the event the now USAF, ordered the type in large numbers without all the Navy equipment.
Coincidently, some RCAF officers who were on exchange, were also in attendance at the flying demonstration and they made a report to their superiors about the performance of the new aircraft, the upshot being, the Canadian Government of the time contacting North American about the possible purchase of a similar aircraft to what the USAF wanted.
Which put North American in a bit of a spot, as they were max'ed out at their existing production plants. But after a series of meetings between the various officials from North American, USA Government and the Canadian Government, an agreement was made that with Canadian Government help, a production line would be set up in Canada, and Canadair (which had ex-Canadian Vickers management people and was now sitting idle) was chosen to be the production center. But just as the line was set up and had built it's first aircraft, the USAF cancelled their order because more advanced aircraft were being built (and flown). The Canadian Government were a bit miffed about the outcome and to save face over the expenditure of much need funds wasted, decided to buy what aircraft parts that had been produced so far and complete them for the RCAF. A decision was made to equip the RCAF with 100 aircraft in total.
As a result, the first ten aircraft were built as designed powered by Allison J35 engines, but the rest were built with more Canadian content but still with the J35 until the last thirty which were powered by Orenda I engines, . The first ten went into service not long after and after an extensive test program, were issued to squadron service where they were used to patrol the far northern border. The more Canadian variants were redesigned to except a different armament, doing away with the twelve .5's for four 20mm's and four .5's (the 20mm's were positioned in the center wing side of each fuselage and the .5's in the outer wing side of each fuselage). Over the years it was in service, the aircraft were constantly upgraded until the final version became as is shown below which had additional AIM-4 Falcons mounted.
Things are progressing, the two fuselages and wing and tail-plane center sections are now glued together (not the outer wings yet).
I've trial fitted the undercarriage and as I found the other day, just a small bit of lead was needed to get it to sit on it's quad-gear.
So here's a pic of it on it's wheels for the first time, posed next to my F-82. Put the slats in place too but they're not glued in yet. It has a slight nose down attitude at the moment, so need to adjust the leg lengths later. There is more clearance under the pod than what the F-82 has, the large drop tanks are well clear too, more than the pod.
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It's surprisingly large Robert. I always thought of the Fury as a 'small jet' but it towers over the Twin Mustang.
Looking VERY good nonetheless.
Thanks Kit ---
The FJ-1 is a very porky looking aircraft and belies it's real size. Although it's not much bigger than a P-51H The wing length (not span though) is the same as the P-51H and the fuselage scales out at 4'-6". The P-51H and F-82 fuselages scale out at 3'-3". Length is about the same as the P-51H.
For my project, the length is not quite as long as the F-82, but is wider than the F-82, the two FJ-1 fuselages and the wing-tip tanks make the difference between it and a F-82. If I hadn't extended the fin/rudder, the height of the fin would be about where the tips of the prop at 12 o'clock are on the F-82, the pod is a bit higher than the F-82's as I mentioned in the last post above.
I'll take some more comparison pics later.
Looking good Robert ! Love the pic of the pair together, great to compare, and a natural progression as well.
:cheers:
Quote from: PR19_Kit on March 31, 2016, 02:13:03 AM
It's surprisingly large Robert. I always thought of the Fury as a 'small jet' but it towers over the Twin Mustang.
Looking VERY good nonetheless.
My thoughts exactly
Thanks Todd, Chris.
I wonder if the different ""sit"" of the two aircraft in my pic makes one look bigger than the other. What I mean is the F-82 is a tail-dragger, while the FJ-1 is on it's nose gear. The photo I posted earlier in the thread (reply #22) which shows real F-82's and FJ-1's being built together gives a better comparison.
Quote from: NARSES2 on March 31, 2016, 07:18:50 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on March 31, 2016, 02:13:03 AM
It's surprisingly large Robert. I always thought of the Fury as a 'small jet' but it towers over the Twin Mustang.
My thoughts exactly
I used to have the same impression with the Martin Baker MB5, until I made my model of it. I was surprised to find it was as large as a Tempest and wondered if the model was out of scale. Re-checking my references found that it was a large aircraft --- about 1 1/3 times bigger than a P-51D which many compare it to.
First time I built an MB5 I had exactly the same feeling mate. I never realised it was so large
Kit's comment about it's size got me wondering because seeing the two in the flesh they don't seem very far apart.
Here's a pic of the top view, I've raised the tail of the F-82 so the wing is horizontal to the surface. It can clearly be seen that the wing span on my project is wider even though the wing parts of the two are the same length. The F-82 though is a bit longer.
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Here's a pic comparing the outer wing of the F-82 with an FJ-1 wing (sans the root leading edge extension)
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But this pic is quite interesting, once the F-82 tail is raised, there's not very much difference with the height to the top of the canopies, the tails though are a different kettle of fish ---
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The nose gear on my project is what comes out of the box, and fixed to the wheel bay as it shows in the instructions. Although there's something wrong with the FJ-1 kit in how it shows where the wheel bay gets put inside the fuselage. I didn't bother changing it though, but where the nose gear is attached at the front of the wheel bay, is pretty much where it would be. It can't go any higher in the bay because the air intake is just above the bay roof there.
My main gear legs are actually the F-82 legs, they are the same length as the FJ-1 legs and even look almost the same when I compare the two. But what I've used needs to be shortened a bit so eventually the fin height will be a little less that what is shown here.
But the Fury is one FAT little thing compared to the almost svelte P-82. :o
I think you're right, that's what gives it the 'huge' look Kit ---- at the beginning I was thinking of using two F-86A fuselages but then decided to go the FJ-1 route because it went into production.
Anyway, I've made the rear end a bit closer to the surface by moving the main gear up into the bay by a couple of mm's. I used the F-82 u/c legs because they can except a bigger diameter wheel, which considering the weight this thing would be at, it needs them.
And the first round of PSR started this afternoon.
Marvelous pictures, even before completion! :wub: :thumbsup: :bow: ;D
Glad to hear the PSR has started Robert ! This thing is gonna be wicked !
:cheers:
Thanks Tophe, Todd ---
Second round of PSR started, and I now have all the outer wings glued on. Just need to let the whole thing dry properly before I handle it again --
Got both canopies cut out and they fit quite well, glued the pilot figure's arm on too.
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And here's the pylons with the missile rails I made up, and I cut the flap track grooves into the flaps.
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And then started adding some ribs and the flap tracks, still got the outer wing ones to glue on.
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Hopefully by the end of today I'll get a coat of paint onto it ----
Well I started to rush the build and the results is now showing it, so I've decided to stop and sort it out later as I'm not going to be able to finish it in time (there's too much to do anyway apart from now having to fix the really crappy finish) .
But this is where I am at the moment, and now I'll just complete it at my leisure.
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I know the GB is over but I'll keep updating the thread here.
The Siga FJ-1 kit is not a very nice kit to build, I've found that each side of the kit parts are different to each other. What I mean is starting at the fuselage center line where the two fuselage halves join and moving out to the wingtips, they're completely different. You'd expect it would be symmetrical but there's nothing symmetrical about it.
Case in point was when I was drilling out the gun ports, I used what is moulded in as a starting point but to my dismay, I found the gun ports on one fuselage half were higher than on the other half. I had to re-fill all the ports and start again. One fuselage I had to cut out the ports altogether and glue in styrene card because it got too messed up. Then after I had got some paint on the wings it looked like the airfoil was upside down. So after straightening it out and sanding down the parts, most of the red I had carefully masked up and then paint had to be removed.
Not a happy camper I can assure you ---
Anyway, got things fixed and started to re-paint it. So here's a few pics of where it's at. The slats & flaps on the outer wings are not glued in yet, just positioned there so I could see the result.
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Sorry about the last pic though, not very good.
The decals I'm using will be for 410 Sqn. and they had a red/white triangle pattern nose band. The sheet I'm using is really for an F-86 but the FJ-1 has a deeper fuselage at the front than the F-86 does. So the decal isn't quite long enough. I've written to CanMilAir to see if I can get some extras that have a couple more triangles added to the length.
Here you can see what I mean, I'll move the back edge of the decal so it lines up with the front edge of the rectangular panel you can see here and then the top end of the decal will line up with the top edge of the same panel, then I'll redo the anti-glare panel to bring it down to where the decal will start.
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Really coming on well mate
Thanks Chris ---
NMF is really difficult to get a good finish, especially if you're using a 'hairy stick'. Any silver colour will glaringly show up any crack, gouges, using too course sand-paper etc. The result I've got so far is after numerous coats of paint applied thinly, then wet sanding it. In the end it produces a nice smooth surface finish. I'm using Humbrol 27001 for the most part, 27002 for all the moving surfaces (ailerons, elevators, rudders and the flaps) and the two large drop tanks and everything else that's not black on the pod. Because I want a really shiny look to the top sides of the slats I'm going to use H191. Anti-glare is H33 while the radome is H85. Cockpit interior is mainly H64 with H33 and H85 highlights (I haven't read what the seat colours are yet). The Tasman FJ-1 replacement canopies are very clear and will show the cockpit detail very well so I'll have to pay special attention to how it gets painted.
Reading my copy of RCAF - Aircraft Finish and Markings 1947-1968, it says the red was used only on home operated aircraft and is shade RED 9-2. There isn't a direct copy in any of the paint ranges for this shade but the decal company I get my decals from suggests ModelMaster Guard's Red on a white primer (reason you see the white in the photos above)
Hopefully it will turn out how I want it in the end.
Have to agree re n.m.f. and brush, that's why I tend to avoid aircraft in that finish.
Coincidental I found some old tins of Humbrol enamel Metalcoat the other day. Forgot how good they are to use :thumbsup:
:wub:
What's going on with this little beauty > Love the way it looks.....straight winged jets for me everytime !
:wub:
Quote from: Captain Canada on August 10, 2016, 03:46:18 AM
What's going on with this little beauty > Love the way it looks.....straight winged jets for me everytime !
:wub:
+1
It's the only "zwilling" concept I've seen that really gel's for me. :thumbsup:
Well we've got some family visiting for the summer, Mrs kitnut's brother's two girls. They're from the Dominican Republic and it's their first time out of their country. So we've been showing them as much of the area as we can on any of our days off from work.
But I had managed to get something done before I put it on hold for a short while.
Started painting up the cockpit and aircrew, tidied up some of the other paintwork, made a start on the u/c bay doors. I also found that the decals I got for a Sabre needed some modifications. The white/red triangle nose band was too short and the wrong profile. So I drew what I needed in my AutoCAD and then asked Bill the owner of CanMilAir if he could print them for me, which he kindly did. Here's a pic of the decal sheet plus the extra nose band decals
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And, here's a couple of more up to date pics to view. The cockpit hasn't been finished but I was trying out a new very fine brush to see what results I could get. So far things are working well
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A top view showing everything extended
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And a couple of posed pics
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I've also discovered something really bazaar, in my backstory I'm saying that the Twin Sabre preceded the CF-100 into service and my plan is to take some pics of the finished model next to a CF-100. But not just any CF-100, I will build a CF-100 Mk.3. I found a fairly decent side view drawing but was stumped when it came to a top view of one. Carl (the big gimper) very kindly scanned some views from one of his reference books and after examining the pics I suddenly realized that the wing of a CF-100 Mk.3 looked very familiar. It looks like a Mustang wing --- specifically it looks a lot like a Twin Mustang wing --- only bigger! I'm going to scratch some wingtips for the CF-100 wing and then take a pic showing what I mean. I'm also suspecting the tailplane looks a bit like an FJ-1 tailplane too.
Nice work Robert and interesting thoughts....I look forward to seeing the pics !
Looking good Rob :thumbsup:
Quote from: Old Wombat on August 10, 2016, 04:46:26 AM
Quote from: Captain Canada on August 10, 2016, 03:46:18 AM
What's going on with this little beauty > Love the way it looks.....straight winged jets for me everytime !
:wub:
+1
It's the only "zwilling" concept I've seen that really gel's for me. :thumbsup:
Quote from: NARSES2 on August 11, 2016, 12:48:18 AM
Looking good Rob :thumbsup:
Quote from: Captain Canada on August 10, 2016, 07:53:58 PM
Nice work Robert and interesting thoughts....I look forward to seeing the pics !
Thanks guys ---
Basically the idea is a jet powered Twin Mustang, nothing too dramatic and trying to keep it simple. From reading up on the various aircraft versions (F-82 and FJ-1), found they both had a reluctance to leave the ground so the idea came about to use extendable slats and flaps (both technologies available at the time) so not stretching the imagination too much --- I hope -- ;D
I've recently come across an interesting snippet of information, I read that the F-82 had "slotted flaps", so Fowler flaps isn't taking it into the extreme. And the slats were a Handley Page design before the war anyway --
Those slats REALLY make it Robert, a very nice touch. :thumbsup:
Thanks Kit, really appreciate your remarks
What kits are those Furies Robert ?
They are the Siga kits Todd. IMHO, not a good choice because one side does not match the other, that's from the center fuselage joint outwards, they're quite different when they should be symmetrical.
If I was to do it again I'd probable pick up a pair of Valom kits instead --- I had one in the stash and as Jim (jaybe) had very kindly supplied another Siga kit so I could do the build, I couldn't just bin them. So I had to do quite a bit of 'lining-up' of parts and lots of sanding to get the two sides (and I mean the two sides to each individual fuselage) to match each other and look right.
Cheers for that. I think I saw some on the West Coast Hobbies site so may order one.
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Ever since the end of the GB, my project sort of has been to sleep.
Every now and then though, I'll go back to it and do a little bit. So far I've got the cockpit all done and painted, the canopies are glued on and all the undercarriage and wheel bays are all glued and painted. The drop tanks, radar pod and missile rails are also glued on but the wingtip tanks I've made so I can have them on or off. Started the final round of the main painting too.
I've trial fitted the decals which dictate where the anti-glare panels come down to but it's a work in progress at the moment.
So here's some up to date pics of where I am now with it.
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Moderator, this really could be moved back into the 'current and finished projects' page please.
Resurrection! Love it.
Glad you're carrying on with this one
Thanks guys, the silly thing about it is I look at it everyday ----- :banghead: :banghead: I have it on my night table in the bedroom --- :rolleyes:
I think it's a sub-conscience thing, I like the project so much I don't want it to stop because once it's done it goes in the display cabinet and I'm off onto the next thing. Not that it's forgotten after that, it's just I'm not working on it anymore. Does that make sense or not --- I just love how it has turned out and almost right to all the fore-thinking I put into it before I even started it.
Quote from: kitnut617 on May 04, 2017, 10:31:13 AM
Thanks guys, the silly thing about it is I look at it everyday I have it on my night table in the bedroom...
Hmmm, have not tried that one....I wonder what Mrs. Sandiego89 would thing about a few builds on the night stand??? ;)
Quote from: sandiego89 on May 04, 2017, 04:16:17 PM
Quote from: kitnut617 on May 04, 2017, 10:31:13 AM
Thanks guys, the silly thing about it is I look at it everyday I have it on my night table in the bedroom...
Hmmm, have not tried that one....I wonder what Mrs. Sandiego89 would thing about a few builds on the night stand??? ;)
Go for it I say. ;D
That looks excellent Robert ! Looking forward to seeing more of this.
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