So a couple of days ago Spinners produced a Mustang IV in SEAC colours, I suggested
It would look better with Dark Green and Earth camouflage, conveniently forgetting that Narses
Had already done one. :rolleyes: See here; http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,36541.0.html
Anyway the upshot of all this rambling is that I've decided to do a SEAC Mustang with Green and Earth
Camouflage myself...
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Then I found this book;
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And this engine;
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And with the addition of a Hurricane radiator housing (A Griffon is going to need more cooling right?) ;D
I've got this
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I've added a taller fin and the Rolls-Royce fin leading edge extension for better directional stability (more torque from a Griffon)
The idea being that with the war in SEAC dragging on for longer than expected, the RAF wanted a more powerful and longer ranged Mustang to deal with the newer and faster Japanese aircraft they were expecting to meet.
So North American And Rolls-Royce came up with the idea of putting a Griffon in the Mustang (after all what's good for a Spitfire should be good for a Mustang) :thumbsup:
I'm still not sure what mark number to use, as far as I can make out the RAF went up to Mk IV possibly Mk V
Then there is a big jump to Mk X used by Rolls-Royce for there own Merlin Engined conversions.
So I've plumped for XI, unless somebody knows better?
Regards
Keith
This will be good. Love the idea :wub:
Looking forward to this one. Also have a vague idea for a SEAC Mustang, but that would most probably end up in NMF.
This is looking interesting Keith, I'll have to hunt down a copy of that book though, I've got a couple of High Planes Griffon Mustangs in the stash.
RR did look into putting a Griffon onto a Mustang, but ran into a lot of problems. It's why their mid-engine fighter came to being ---
Oh dear .... as though life wasn't hard enough for the poor old Japanese .....
"Mustang Mach I" comes to mind. :rolleyes:
A Griffon on the front of a F-82 fuselage might be a better way ---
Which has just given me an idea, and I've got some spare F-51H wings I could use --- hmm!
A T-56 turboprop or RR Tyne!!
Right! Mustang update time. :o
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Now the Eagle eyed among you will have already spotted what I only spotted as I loaded these photos up to
Photobucket.
Namely I've managed to glue my Griffon on with a lot too much down thrust :banghead: :banghead:
Oh dear ( or something like that) I said, here I am on holiday with a minimum modeling kit and now this...
Well dad's not a Modeller but he does posses a junior Hacksaw, so whilst it's not precision work it's good
Enough for me :rolleyes:
So at the moment the Griffon Mustang is recovering from its Rhinoplasty ;D
More later....
Regards
Keith
But Griffons DID have a lot of downthrust, and assuming yours is a late version and much more powerful than the teensy weensy ones fitted to Spitfire XIVs and XIXs it'd need some more downthrust......... ;D
I like the look of this........ :thumbsup:
Like the look of it too Keith :thumbsup:
I think you and me must be on the same wave-length, here's something similar I'm working on at the moment. Only I'm sticking with the Merlin engine, albeit a hopped up one (around 2500 hp). I'm calling it a Cavalier Enforcer II
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:tank: well gosh and darn it!
You've gone and put cannons on it ;D
That's what I'm doing as well, and probably from the same (Airfix spitfire source)
Is that the F-82 twin Mustang fuselage? Or a P-51H?
Looking forward to more :thumbsup:
Regards
Keith
The cannon come from the Italeri Mustang Mk.I kit Keith, the fuselage is from the Beechnut F-51H kit and the wing is from the Airfix Tucano kit, which just happens to be very close in size and shape to a F-51H wing. Propeller blades come from the multitude of spare blades found in the Special Hobby late model Spitfire boxings.
Wow ! Great idea. I think it looks weird tho. Like a spit but not.....then again, like a stang but not ! Can't wait to see her painted.
PS-I just love that kit.
:wub: :cheers:
I tried to make the prop like this one.
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Well..... It's i wish I hadn't done 'that' time :banghead:
You see I was flying the GrifStang around the room (as you do) ;D
Admiring its powerful lines etc, etc, when it came upon me that I didn't like
How it looked at the nose, because the nose was too high
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It needs a touch of down thrust, a bit Like Miss Ashley;
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And if I'm honest the paint work is rubbish. I'm using Xtracolour and I'm struggling with it.
So, no I have to decide: paintwork I should rub it down and try again.
The nose, do I take the saw to it again or not?
I'll have to think on it :unsure:
Comments, ideas etc great fully received.
Regards
Keith
Honestly, that side profile photo looks fine, same as the Griffon Spitfire XII. Xtracolour is worth perservering with ....several coats with a min. 12 hours between. I paint with a mix of Humbrol/Revell/WEM/Xtracolour. It depends on which colour, some are just better than others. You could treat the paint you've used as an undercoat...give her a light sanding and switch to another brand. Humbrol 29 always needs at least two coats but gives a beautiful finish. This advice is if you're handbrushing....airbrushing I know not ;D
Thanks for the vote of confidence, I think I will just go with rubbing down the paint
And having another go :thumbsup:
Progress pictures:
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I've also re profiled the tip of the fin and made it not quite so pointy
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And I've bodged together a possible Contra-rotating prop
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Please note that the spinner shape is not final, and I will try and remember to turn one set blades round so that
They turn the other way :rolleyes:
Regards
Keith
Like the Griff nose, dislike the contra.
Personally I think she looks better with the 5 bladed prop, in fact she looks gorgeous :wub:
The contra prop just looks to big to me, detracts from her superb lines
Gorgeous!! :wub: :wub:
Quote from: NARSES2 on July 07, 2014, 12:38:07 AM
Personally I think she looks better with the 5 bladed prop, in fact she looks gorgeous :wub:
The contra prop just looks to big to me, detracts from her superb lines
Second that, much too massive. The five-bladed version looks much more appropriate.
Ya looks perfect with the 5 bladed prop. The contra is just too much and kinda ruins the classic lines you had going.
:cheers:
I hope that isn't the finished product. The blades do look too big and shouldn't there be a cone on the end of the propshaft?
Quote from: McColm on July 29, 2014, 04:05:43 AM
I hope that isn't the finished product. The blades do look too big and shouldn't there be a cone on the end of the propshaft?
No it was only ever a rough draft, to see what it looked like. If I'd gone ahead
It would have been tidied up and have had a spinner.
As it is we're having a cracking summer here in Germany ;D :cheers: :drink:
So she sits there half decaled waiting to be finished :rolleyes:
Regards
Keith
Small update, as Summer turns to Autumn I've finally started (slowly) :rolleyes: to resume
Modeling hence this small update for the Mustang.
Obviously being powered by the Griffon was never going to do anything for fuel consumption :o
So I've built some larger drop tanks, now why I just couldn't use the drop tanks supplied or raid the
Spares box I've got no idea :rolleyes:
But I decided the way to drop tanks with more capacity was too chop up 4 normal Mustang drop tanks
To enable me to produce 2 larger tanks :blink:
A bit like so;
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Of course they've been sanded and filled now and are awaiting final paint.
The other thing I decided that the Mustang needed was some form of weaponry as well
As the cannons, so I came up with this........
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Which is obviously a pair of R.P.(B)'s :cheers:
Although why I am still working out. But they did seem a good idea at the time :drink:
Regards
Keith
Rocket Propelled ( Bombs ) ?
Rocket Projectiles (BIG) ;D
Looking good after the new paint job!
Not Much to say really except: its finished (took long enough)
But i kind of ran out of modelling Magic :rolleyes:
N.A. Mustang XI 'K' KM782 607Sqn RAF
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The main Mods to the Kit, well obviously a Griffon from an Airfix Mk22 Spitfire, then an enlarged carburetor (chin) intake,
enlarged radiator intake and a taller fin + leading edge extension.
I'm still not 100% sure about the nose.... :rolleyes:
I might like to revisit a Griffon Mustang again sometime.
Regards
Keith
Looks spot on to me ! Love the colours and the subtlety of the subject. The taller fin really looks the part.
:cheers:
Beautiful, I love those colours :wub:. Wish Uncle Mike was still alive as he flew Spit VIIIs with 607Sqn. He'd have loved to see this.
Oh yes, that looks the business for sure!
That 5 blader was definitely the way to go, and although I was a bit dubious about the Hurricane radiator at first it works a treat. Cracking job altogether. :thumbsup: :bow:
Yeah! very nice Keith -- :thumbsup: I've got a thing with Mustangs at the moment, got a bunch of them on the planning table ---
Very nice job! :thumbsup:
Very nice! :thumbsup:
Reminds of a P-51H in the stash that is supposed to be built in SEA markings, too, even though probably in NMF with drak blue trim.
Nice. Looks like a bought one.
Lovely work! :wub: Does look the part!
Just about my favourite scheme and she sure suits it, lovely model :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Great! :thumbsup:
Thank you everybody :thumbsup: for the encouraging comments ;D
I too have a couple more Mustangs for whiffing,
If only I can work out how to translate Tophe's drawings into plastic :rolleyes:
You see he's done this wonderful asymmetric Mustang that I'd love to do.....
This one
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Or perhaps this one;
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But I can't work out how to get started :banghead:
Regards
Keith
Quote from: TallEng on December 10, 2014, 04:54:30 AM
If only I can work out how to translate Tophe's drawings into plastic :rolleyes:
But I can't work out how to get started :banghead:
I know JUST what you mean! Tophe's stuff is a permanent inspiration for all Mustang fans.
Which reminds me I ought to finish my Tri-Stang, oops. <blush>
No way you've "run out of modelling magic" - this is beautiful! Perfectly executed to my eye! The engine, the tail, the cannon, even the camo. Brilliant!
Quote from: KiwiZac on December 14, 2014, 03:29:05 PM
No way you've "run out of modelling magic" - this is beautiful! Perfectly executed to my eye! The engine, the tail, the cannon, even the camo. Brilliant!
I agree, the 5 blade prop looks great and the rest of the changes all fit the mustang so well! Great work!
:cheers:
Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 10, 2014, 05:01:35 AM
Quote from: TallEng on December 10, 2014, 04:54:30 AM
If only I can work out how to translate Tophe's drawings into plastic :rolleyes:
But I can't work out how to get started :banghead:
I know JUST what you mean! Tophe's stuff is a permanent inspiration for all Mustang fans.
Thanks! while... drawing is very easy and building is a million times more difficult. Congratulations to the builders... ;)
Quote from: TallEng on December 10, 2014, 04:54:30 AM
If only I can work out how to translate Tophe's drawings into plastic :rolleyes:
You see he's done this wonderful asymmetric Mustang that I'd love to do.....
Keith, love your 5 bladed Mustang, no lack of magic there.
You know, one of Tophes drawings sort of look like having a P&W Turboprop as power plant, sort of like the Jetstream / Q400 installation. A bit of plastic card and scale 'o rama and I think you'd be there. It would be a build thread I'd follow with interest.