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Hot Research Topics => Camouflage, Colors, and Markings => Topic started by: NARSES2 on March 27, 2014, 08:41:04 AM

Title: FAA in Korea question
Post by: NARSES2 on March 27, 2014, 08:41:04 AM
If the FAA had used US built aircraft from it's carriers during the Korean War do you think they would have carried the black/white ID strips ? After all they were allegedly only there because US personnel were very trigger happy with anything they couldn't immediately recognise. Quite sensible in some circumstances I think, my dad thought so anyway in the Med.
Title: Re: FAA in Korea question
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 27, 2014, 09:20:35 AM
More than likely. After all they'd have likely been painted in the Sky/EDSG scheme and NOT overall Midnight Blue, and would therefore been immediately seen as 'enemies' by those trigger happy USN gunners.
Title: Re: FAA in Korea question
Post by: Dizzyfugu on March 27, 2014, 09:31:09 AM
Well, but Midnight Blue aircraft (maybe with RAF roundels - and the former Stars and Bars overpainted with EDSG?) and with the ID stripes could be plausible, if the stuff had been rushed into service. IIRC, many RAF aircraft that were transferred from Europe to SEA kept their original paintwork and were just minimally adjusted to their new "working field".  Why not? A Panther in such a guise could look cool.

Wait a minute - I have a leftover Hobby Boss Panther somewhere in the stash, and some decals, and the right paint...  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: FAA in Korea question
Post by: JayBee on March 27, 2014, 02:04:58 PM
I would think that any aircraft operating in that area would need something to stop "friendly" forces shooting at them, and anyway they make them look so much nicer.

Another question, who can possibly have an excess Panther?  :blink:

Title: Re: FAA in Korea question
Post by: lancer on March 27, 2014, 02:23:03 PM
I don't suppose a loudspeaker with a pre recorded message saying something like 'I'M ON YOUR SIDE YOU BLIND IDIOT!!!!' would be appropriate would it??
Title: Re: FAA in Korea question
Post by: Leading Observer on March 27, 2014, 03:03:26 PM
QuoteI don't suppose a loudspeaker with a pre recorded message saying something like 'I'M ON YOUR SIDE YOU BLIND IDIOT!!!!' would be appropriate would it?

Only if you translate it into American "English" ;D
Title: Re: FAA in Korea question
Post by: Dizzyfugu on March 28, 2014, 01:08:27 AM
Quote from: JayBee on March 27, 2014, 02:04:58 PM
Another question, who can possibly have an excess Panther?  :blink:

I was actually just after the Argentinian Navy decals of this kit for my F6U Pirate conversion some time ago... The Hobby Boss Panther is VERY nice, though, and eventually this is a whiffy mission for it. Should look great with RN markings and hastily overpainted USN or USMC markings, as well as the stripes on dark blue. Someone here recently built a RN Panther in EDSG/Sky colors, that looked gorgeous too - what I like about this Korea version is that the livery directly tells a story. VERY attractive (to me)!  ;D
Title: Re: FAA in Korea question
Post by: tahsin on March 28, 2014, 01:42:46 AM
Didn't B-29s shot down a Seafire?
Title: Re: FAA in Korea question
Post by: Thorvic on March 28, 2014, 03:33:46 AM
Yes they would probably carry the identification stipes and yes they would likely retain their delivery colours of Gloss Sea Blue, The Avengers and Skyraiders did afterall in the immediate post Korean War period.
Title: Re: FAA in Korea question
Post by: NARSES2 on March 28, 2014, 08:12:04 AM
Quote from: tahsin on March 28, 2014, 01:42:46 AM
Didn't B-29s shot down a Seafire?

Yup
Title: Re: FAA in Korea question
Post by: NARSES2 on March 28, 2014, 08:22:53 AM
Right I'm clear in my mind now.

I'm building the Special Hobby "Super Corsair" and I'm going to do her FAA in Korea. She will be in EDSG over Sky but my explanation is that the RN/FAA/HMG - take your pick - decided post war to carry on using US built naval aircraft out in the Far East because of commonality with the allies they were most likely to see service with. They could also "borrow" stuff when needed which helped in post war austerity  :rolleyes: The one change was that all aircraft went through MU's in Singapore where apart from fitting UK equipment, radios, seatbelts etc, they got a fresh coat of paint. Got to keep those national servicemen busy somehow. She will also have 4 x 20mm cannon rather the 6 x 0.5" mg's.

Anyway I've adapted this FAA keeps US from a scenario of our own Weaver's which given the circumstances of the time is eminently sensible in my view. He takes it to its logical conclusion, I leave it out East as a typical Brit compromise, all those votes in factories etc.
Title: Re: FAA in Korea question
Post by: Dizzyfugu on March 29, 2014, 04:59:22 AM
Ah, a sister ship (conceptually) to my Australian post-war Corsair with a Griffon! Cool!  :thumbsup: :cheers:

Title: Re: FAA in Korea question
Post by: Dizzyfugu on May 20, 2014, 10:24:37 AM
I revive this because I found the answer in literature: it should be "no". The FAA aircraft only carried those stripes because just piston-engine types were used by the RN (and lots of similar stuff from North Korea was in the air, too), and American AA crews were not really familiar with the types.
In order to avoid friendly fire the D-Day markings were adopted, but officially only to/for the non-jet types - consequently anything that started from a RN carrier.

So, if there had been jet types of American origin in FAA markings, it should not have carried the stripes. Wonder what had happened if a Sea Hawk had been deployed there? And an FAA F4U should not have carried them. Theoretically.  :party:

But my FAA Panther will carry them, anyway, beceause they look cool!  :ph34r:
Title: Re: FAA in Korea question
Post by: JayBee on May 20, 2014, 10:52:29 AM
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on May 20, 2014, 10:24:37 AM

But my FAA Panther will carry them, anyway, beceause they look cool!  :ph34r:

You know there ain't any better answer than that.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: FAA in Korea question
Post by: kerick on May 20, 2014, 01:59:17 PM
I'll be looking forward to seeing these builds. The super Corsair sounds awesome!
Title: Re: FAA in Korea question
Post by: Captain Canada on May 20, 2014, 02:28:46 PM
Yes that does sound good !

I think any Korean War era FAA bird needs stripes...there's a 'coolness' factor involved eh ?!

:cheers:
Title: Re: FAA in Korea question
Post by: Weaver on May 20, 2014, 06:18:23 PM
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on May 20, 2014, 10:24:37 AM
I revive this because I found the answer in literature: it should be "no". The FAA aircraft only carried those stripes because just piston-engine types were used by the RN (and lots of similar stuff from North Korea was in the air, too), and American AA crews were not really familiar with the types.
In order to avoid friendly fire the D-Day markings were adopted, but officially only to/for the non-jet types - consequently anything that started from a RN carrier.

So, if there had been jet types of American origin in FAA markings, it should not have carried the stripes. Wonder what had happened if a Sea Hawk had been deployed there? And an FAA F4U should not have carried them. Theoretically.  :party:

But my FAA Panther will carry them, anyway, beceause they look cool!  :ph34r:

That was the reason why my FAA Panther didn't carry stripes: sillouette-wise, it could only be a "friendly". It didn't come in "delivery" dark blue with overpainted markings because in my background, it was made in the UK under licence by Gloster, so it was never blue in the first place.

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Title: Re: FAA in Korea question
Post by: Dizzyfugu on May 21, 2014, 05:46:43 AM
Yep, yours should be a "correct whif".  :thumbsup: