Earlier this year I built a 1/48 scale EE Lightning T.5 with a conversion kit from Czech Master IIRC(?)
Anyways, this left me with the single seat cockpit front end wasting away in the spares box. So..., what to do?
Well..., I`m going to have a crack at doing this.....,
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So....,
Dummy pilot is now looking a bit more pilot`ish but still plenty to be done on him later......
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Completed painting one bit of track, still need to get it weathered but you get the idea.
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Started scratchbuilding one of the dollies(?), pretty sure the middle section is the fuselage floor from an Osprey(???). Anyway, it works and thats the main thing.
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And the last picture is a mock up of the cockpit section on the track....
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Good idea :thumbsup:
Regards
Keith
That is a good idea ! Great way to turn a leftover part into an interesting subject !
:cheers:
How are you going to power the cart. JATO Boosters? Adios, Larry.
Oh this is goinfg to look the dogs danglies when it's finished.....
Thanks all. :cheers: I never like to see a decent cockpit go to waste... ;D
Quote from: CSMO on November 25, 2013, 09:30:08 AM
How are you going to power the cart. JATO Boosters? Adios, Larry.
Got both tracks painted, still need to weather them though. Second dolly/sledge base is done, just need to build it up with the JATO rockets and I added some frame work to the first sledge to hold the cockpit in place.
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How are you going to stop it? ;D
Unusual subject, thanks! :thumbsup:
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 25, 2013, 04:38:48 PM
How are you going to stop it? ;D
A sensible thought! Drag chains? Sand trap? Mighty hydraulics? A huge eiderdown?
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 25, 2013, 04:38:48 PM
How are you going to stop it? ;D
One Wile E. Coyote Acme type anchor has been ordered...... :lol:
Quote from: Rheged on November 26, 2013, 01:27:30 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 25, 2013, 04:38:48 PM
How are you going to stop it? ;D
A sensible thought! Drag chains? Sand trap? Mighty hydraulics? A huge eiderdown?
Probably a drag chute pack fitted at the rear I would imagine. Although I do like the eiderdown idea.... :lol:
Was scratching my head this morning as after looking in the spares box, I seemed to have little that resembled JATO type rockets for the sledge.
Then I noticed I had quite a few of these SNEB packs......
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..... which if placed like this......
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..... kinda look sort of right.
In the real world they use water hydraulics.
The sled has a couple of long tapered probes, one on each side, and when they reach the end the probes puncture some long cylindrical water tanks with membranes on the ends. The probes displace the water all over everywhere and the whole shebang comes to a halt. The only problem with modelling that is that the tanks are about 3-4 times as long as your sledge!
They can change the shape of the probes to increase or decrease the G level of the deceleration, but it's pretty darn spectacular whatever level they go for. ;D
Unusual whiff, windswept and interesting, like it! :ph34r:
Oh this is out of the box thinking :thumbsup:
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 26, 2013, 06:16:35 AM
In the real world they use water hydraulics.
The sled has a couple of long tapered probes, one on each side, and when they reach the end the probes puncture some long cylindrical water tanks with membranes on the ends. The probes displace the water all over everywhere and the whole shebang comes to a halt. The only problem with modelling that is that the tanks are about 3-4 times as long as your sledge!
They can change the shape of the probes to increase or decrease the G level of the deceleration, but it's pretty darn spectacular whatever level they go for. ;D
Cheers for that info Kit, although I`m just making a snapshot of the ejection process about a second after the seat fires. I don`t think SWMBO would want a straight bit of track running from the front to the back of the house.... :lol:
btw, anyone got any ideas for `smoke`. Cotton wool is the obvious, but is there something else out there?
Aha, even better! So the guy, or dummy, will be modelled in mid-air on a stream of smoke Should look VERY good! :thumbsup:
This looks good, love it.
Quote from: tc2324 on November 26, 2013, 08:49:23 AM
btw, anyone got any ideas for `smoke`. Cotton wool is the obvious, but is there something else out there?
I saw one smoke trail done on a Mig 21 kit using clear cellophane and Tamiya smoke which looked OK. If you wanted extra tricky I guess a small block of dry ice under the seat at photography time would be perfect - I think you could pick up a bit from BOC a coupla years ago.
Ciao
Quote from: Modelling_Mushi on November 29, 2013, 02:23:38 AM
This looks good, love it.
Quote from: tc2324 on November 26, 2013, 08:49:23 AM
btw, anyone got any ideas for `smoke`. Cotton wool is the obvious, but is there something else out there?
I saw one smoke trail done on a Mig 21 kit using clear cellophane and Tamiya smoke which looked OK. If you wanted extra tricky I guess a small block of dry ice under the seat at photography time would be perfect - I think you could pick up a bit from BOC a coupla years ago.
Ciao
Cheers for that, I`ll look into it :thumbsup: Not sure I could go with the dry ice bit though, the missus would probably put me on ice if it went everywhere.... ;D
Managed to get a few decals on the cockpit section while I await the results of how my `JATO` turned out.
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Obviously these are all fictional and I`ve a couple more to attach.
This is awesome....what a neat idea. Look forward to seeing the end product !
:cheers:
Nice idea! It's a great way to use a spare part like a cockpit.
There's some good video on the Martin Baker website of ejection seat testing for the F-35 including the oldest British jet still in regular use, the Gloster Meteor!
http://www.martin-baker.com/products/ejection-seats/mk16/f35#prettyPhoto
Cheers guys. :cheers:
Ok, I seem to have come on leaps and bounds with this today. I even got round to experimenting with the smoke effect, but thats a little way off yet.
Still WIP, but this is the rocket sledge pretty much complete......,
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Put in the ejection seat rail and gave the fuselage a decent wash.....,
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......., and to finish off, a couple of pictures of both sledges with the other bits and pieces I`ve added.
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Wow is he ever coming together ! Nice work on the weathering as well....
:cheers:
An awesome and wholly unique model, I love it! :thumbsup: :bow:
Damm, tghat is looking really spectacular....
Wow, really well done. I like the weathering and improvised appearance- very realistic for a test rig, which were seldom pretty/factory fresh. Great job.
Maybe a few quartered Black/White circles to help with camera tracking and such?
Gondor
Cool. Nice scratchbuilding.
A working version would be even cooler. Small amounts of explosives would do the trick but you might only get one go at running it ;D
As an ex employee of the company formally known as British Rail I offer you the following observations.
The track would IRL definitely be rusty on the sides and probably also on the top unless they had a very heavy test schedule and ran enough trolleys down it to clear the rust.
I suggest you go and have a sniff around your local railway sidings.
Sleepers look about right. IIRC they were a hardwood (Jarrah rings a bell) treated with creosote.
Ballast (if you are going to add any) would have been cleaner than on an operating railway line as it wouldn't have had oil etc dropped onto it from passing trains. A light greyish bluestone sort of colour would be correct.
Quote from: zenrat on December 01, 2013, 02:13:04 AM
As an ex employee of the company formally known as British Rail I offer you the following observations.
The track would IRL definitely be rusty on the sides and probably also on the top unless they had a very heavy test schedule and ran enough trolleys down it to clear the rust.
My guess would be that the tracks would be deliberately kept clean by dedicated trolleys travelling along the test track to remove any rust (or even for example potential dead birds, for that matter) before each actual test run.
The one thing that might be worth adding are spoilers a la Formula One racecars to generate sufficient downforce to ensure the trolleys stay on the track at high speeds, given the propulsive and aerodynamic forces involved.
One thing to keep in mind is that the conventional wheel on rail combination is currently limited to about 350 mph, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_speed_record_for_rail_vehicles. For higher test speeds, the wheels would probably have to be replaced by slippers - ironically, according to a message in http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?1,239803, this could mean that the rail could have been rusty and would have stayed that way even after test runs :smiley:.
All in all a truly creative build though!
Martin
The Pendine test track in S Wales uses wheels on its trollies, at least they did when BR tested the APT-E nose shape there in the early 70s. But that was 'only' at around 180 mph maximum and I imagine the ejection seat tests would run at a considerably faster speed.
A very neat and imaginative build --- :bow:
On rocket test sleds like this, I've seen pictures of them which had a 'hooked' bracket bolted to the bearing mounts which hooked under the rail lip to stop the sled 'taking-off', would that be appropriate here ?
Wow great idea ,great build .
First and foremost I`d like to say a big thanks to you all for your comments on this. :cheers:
Admittedly I was only doing this as a little side project as I had the spare cockpit section left over and I hate waste. :lol:
Never really gave much thought about the track condition if I`m honest. As it was just a bit of beat up old plastic track I was only ever going to do a quick paint job on it and leave it as that. All I would add on that matter after giving it some thought is that this test subject would have been in the late 50`s, early 60`s, so I have no idea what kind of track may of been used.
Anyway`s, I`m starting work on the dummy figure, seat and drogue chute soon and I`ll update then. :thumbsup:
Tell you what. I'd be ejecting if I was being chased by that honking great engine :rolleyes:
Really good, imaginative build mate :thumbsup:
Magnets.
Magnets hold you on the track at high speeds, magnets slow you down at the end of the test.
Magnets.
:thumbsup:
Surely that nose intake will act as an airbrake without a pair of engines to blow into?
Quote from: Nick on December 02, 2013, 01:23:15 PM
Surely that nose intake will act as an airbrake without a pair of engines to blow into?
Not that you can see it, but I`ve left the front u/c doors off and theres a hole in the back bulkhead for the air to escape/pass through. :thumbsup:
So started putting the finishing touches to the `action` side of the model.
First I got the drogue chute made and fitted.....
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.... and then got the framework in place. I`m hoping that when I`ve mastered the cotton wool smoke effect the wire will be hidden from view as best it can.
Anyway, here`s where I`m at.
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Wow ! Is it ever coming together now ! Great stuff. Love the lifelike look of the pilot in 'flight'.
:tornado:
Question Captain.
Is the pilot figure real or a dummy?
I ask this as the bang seat in the Lightning had a pull down face screen as the firing handle, in which case the arms should be tight into the body with the screen pulled down over the face.
If the figure is intended to be a dummy then please disregard the previous comments.
Final comment, as I write this the house has just been buzzed by two RAF Tucanno's departing Prestwick!
Jim
Quote from: JayBee on December 03, 2013, 06:14:06 AM
Question Captain.
Is the pilot figure real or a dummy?
Jim
Final line of post 32 will supply the answer..... ;) :thumbsup:
..and now that I look at it the second picture in post 1 says it is a dummy. DOH!
Jim
Quote from: tc2324 on December 02, 2013, 05:58:14 AM
...Never really gave much thought about the track condition if I`m honest. As it was just a bit of beat up old plastic track I was only ever going to do a quick paint job on it and leave it as that. All I would add on that matter after giving it some thought is that this test subject would have been in the late 50`s, early 60`s, so I have no idea what kind of track may of been used...
119lb/yd Bullhead in 60' lengths fishplated with spikes to wooden sleepers.
Probably. ;D
To be honest it's a long time since I worked there and I never was a dedicated gricer or track grinder so that's just a memory dump which may well be wrong.
Wouldn't it be likely that the track would have been checked for debris etc by personnel walking down it? Like doing a FOD sweep on a carrier deck.
So after quite a few attempts at getting the `smoke` effect, here`s my final effort......,
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After sticking some cotton wool to the wire frame, I applied `puffs` of it bit by bit and used hair spray to bond it together. Once I had the shape, I then gave the whole thing a light spray of Tamiya Haze Grey and then followed this up with a good dose of Spray Mount to give it some strength.
Obviously not perfect, but as I`ve found out, this is actually quite a hard effect to get 100%.
Quote from: tc2324 on December 04, 2013, 05:37:34 AM
Obviously not perfect, but as I`ve found out, this is actually quite a hard effect to get 100%.
An exceptionally difficult thing to do, but you done very well with it :thumbsup:
Looks totally BRILL to me, you can almost hear the ejection rockets firing! :thumbsup: :bow:
excellent work mate
:cheers:
:thumbsup:
CBE
wonderful,
Thank you all for the comments chaps. :cheers:
I`m now calling this done.., (for now anyway), so here`s the final pictures with the last one slightly blurred during panning to try and give it a bit of a `speed` look about it.
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A superb bit of 'Blue Sky' thinking there, to use a current 'in' phrase. :thumbsup: :bow:
OK, so it's GREY sky but you know what I mean. ;)
Excellent! I usually do not like smoke and flame as presented in dioramas, but you pulled it off superbly. You can fiddle with that stuff forever, and many don't know when to stop. The drouge looks perfect.
Now that is rather good :thumbsup: looks like you're becoming Mr Diorama man ;D
Although I'm surprised that you didn't grab the opportunity to make it an ex 74Sqn. Machine ;)
Regards
Keith
That is awesome ! Great job, and some of the most realistic smoke I've seen ! But I have to ask, did you name the dummy 'Buster' ?
:thumbsup:
Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 05, 2013, 07:19:26 AM
A superb bit of 'Blue Sky' thinking there, to use a current 'in' phrase. :thumbsup: :bow:
OK, so it's GREY sky but you know what I mean. ;)
:lol: Cheers Kit..., and it wouldn`t matter anyway, the real sky my way was a lot more grey than that this morning... :lol:
Quote from: sandiego89 on December 05, 2013, 08:28:40 AM
You can fiddle with that stuff forever, and many don't know when to stop. The drouge looks perfect.
Cheers, and thats exactly why I`ve left it now. There`s things I`d like to change to the wool, but I know I`ll only cock it up... ;)
Quote from: TallEng on December 05, 2013, 10:24:38 AM
Now that is rather good :thumbsup: looks like you're becoming Mr Diorama man ;D
Although I'm surprised that you didn't grab the opportunity to make it an ex 74Sqn. Machine ;)
Regards
Keith
Cheers Keith and as much as I love the Tigers, I`m trying to avoid overkill.... :lol:
Quote from: Captain Canada on December 05, 2013, 10:37:31 AM
That is awesome ! Great job, and some of the most realistic smoke I've seen ! But I have to ask, did you name the dummy 'Buster' ?
:thumbsup:
Didn`t think of a name to be honest. I think he might be Busters british cousin Bert....? ;D
That is bloody superb. On of the best off the wall ideas I've seen for ages.
Love this one. Only thing missing are the JATO's still firing.
Fantastic idea and great modeling.
Brilliant.
Thanks chaps. :cheers:
Quote from: philp on December 05, 2013, 10:11:48 PM
Love this one. Only thing missing are the JATO's still firing.
Fantastic idea and great modeling.
The JATO`s are still firing..., but if I had `acquired` any more cotton wool from the missus, my whole weekend might of been one big `what if`..... ;D
I love this one, break from the norm. :thumbsup:
What a spanking little diorama.....great work.....!!!!!!