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Post by: Supertom on August 29, 2004, 02:49:30 AM
In case you've been wondering what I've been up to...

Title: Current project
Post by: Aircav on August 29, 2004, 02:54:18 AM
He's been making a steel rule, Cool
;)  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:
nice plane BTW
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Title: Current project
Post by: Aircav on August 29, 2004, 02:57:18 AM
Hey Tom
do you leave the top off the toothpaste as well
:unsure:  :ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r:
:cheers:  
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Post by: NARSES2 on August 29, 2004, 02:58:56 AM
QuoteHey Tom
do you leave the top off the toothpaste as well
:unsure:  :ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r:
:cheers:
First thing I noticed
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Post by: Supertom on August 29, 2004, 07:38:51 AM
QuoteHe's been making a steel rule, Cool

Yes, my scratchbuilding skills are supreme.

Quotedo you leave the top off the toothpaste as well

Lost the bloody cap.  It got gunked up anyway.
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Post by: Geoff_B on August 29, 2004, 08:15:18 AM
A good start, but wheres the Jelly Babies ?

Is this as per box or the Operational variant ?

Cheers

Geoff B B)  
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Post by: lancer on August 29, 2004, 11:11:33 AM
Ok, stupid question time, but WHAT is it??
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Post by: Ollie on August 29, 2004, 11:31:14 AM
MiG 1.44 Lancer boy.

B)  
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Post by: Geoff_B on August 29, 2004, 12:09:48 PM
Zvezda Mig 1.44 Kit @ Hannants (http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=ZVE7252)

Hi Lancer

Its this one

Cheers

Geoff B B)  
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Post by: Swamphen on August 29, 2004, 01:01:57 PM
But this is What-If. That means it's not a MiG 1-44, it's a MiG-37!  :P  
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Post by: overscan on August 29, 2004, 02:10:26 PM
If built, it would have been MiG-33.

It would also have a nose radar, modified intakes, new canopy, and revised wing shape.  Plus it would have been generally "cleaned up" for RCS reasons.
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Post by: Supertom on August 29, 2004, 02:46:09 PM
This is to be built as a prototype so I know how the kit builds up.  When this one's done, I'll start on the other one as a MiG-33.  I'm not sure about redoing the canopy, but I do intend to redo the wings and clean up the shape a little.  I'm also working on giving the intakes a different profile.

And I ran out of Jelly Babies.
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Post by: Sisko on August 29, 2004, 03:57:58 PM

Looking good Tom.

:wub:  :wub:  
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Post by: Ollie on August 29, 2004, 05:31:20 PM
Guys, in the latest "Air International", they call the 1.44 a MiG 37...

:unsure:  
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Post by: overscan on August 29, 2004, 05:34:52 PM
Sure thing. I mentioned the canopy because, as might be obvious, the 1.44 demonstrator used a standard MiG-29 canopy. Its like the EAP; a hack machine put together to prove a basic layout. Imagine trying to mod an EAP kit into a production Typhoon- or the YF-22 into the production FA-22 - thats the scale of the task, coupled with the fact that the actual finished design has never been revealed ;)
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Post by: overscan on August 29, 2004, 05:41:52 PM
MiG-xx series names were allocated sequentially (odd numbers only) by the Soviet Air Force. So, as the MiG-31 was the last model made, the next machine to be built would have been (and still would be, in the Russian Air Force) the MiG-33. There were no other projects further advanced to fill the -33 and -35 slots to make the 1.42 into MiG-37.

Mikoyan touted the MiG-29M (official name) as MiG-33 at one point, but it wasn't official- just a way of emphasising it was a new machine.

Likewise, Sukhoi called the Su-27M the Su-35, and then Su-37, and the Su-27IB has been called Su-32 and Su-34. The Su-25TM has also been Su-34 and seems to be Su-39 currently.

So thats cleared that up ;)
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Post by: Ollie on August 29, 2004, 05:57:39 PM
I concur a 100%, I'm just reporting what I read!

Isn't the Su-39 the carrier version?  In LOMAC that's what it is.

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Post by: lancer on August 29, 2004, 07:52:57 PM
QuoteMiG-xx series names were allocated sequentially (odd numbers only) by the Soviet Air Force. So, as the MiG-31 was the last model made, the next machine to be built would have been (and still would be, in the Russian Air Force) the MiG-33. There were no other projects further advanced to fill the -33 and -35 slots to make the 1.42 into MiG-37.

Mikoyan touted the MiG-29M (official name) as MiG-33 at one point, but it wasn't official- just a way of emphasising it was a new machine.

Likewise, Sukhoi called the Su-27M the Su-35, and then Su-37, and the Su-27IB has been called Su-32 and Su-34. The Su-25TM has also been Su-34 and seems to be Su-39 currently.

So thats cleared that up ;)
LOL..I think the Russians do it just to confuse the hell out of us Westerners....

Ok, I did say that it was a stupid question didn't I??
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Post by: overscan on August 30, 2004, 02:15:25 AM
Well partly it is due to an internal war between two parts of Sukhoi, the Su-27 designers under Simonov and the Su-25 designers under Babak.

Babak designated the Rafale-alike S-37 (internal designation) as "Su-37" for marketing purposes, so Simonov renamed the Su-27M with vectoring nozzles "Su-37".  For good measure Simonov's S-32 (internal designation) Berkut became the S-37,  forcing Babak's Rafale-alike to become "237", and right now  Berkut is  the totally out of sequence "Su-47" I believe.

Babak named the Su-25TM Su-34, and then Simonov renamed the Su27IB Su-34 to spite him.
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Post by: Swamphen on August 30, 2004, 08:54:53 AM
IIRC the MiG-29M is called "MiG-35", "MiG-33" is the carrier Fulcrum...  :wacko:

So Mikoyan might well call the 1.42/1.44 "MiG-37"!  B)  
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Post by: Deino on August 30, 2004, 09:10:12 AM
QuoteThere were no other projects further advanced to fill the -33 and -35 slots to make the 1.42 into MiG-37.
Hmmm ??? ... And what's about the MiG-AT ???

Why did this plane never get a MiG-number ???

Deino   :D  
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Post by: overscan on August 30, 2004, 11:19:51 AM
Mikoyan MiG-AT started design as an L-39 replacement in the late 1980s.
Different models were designated 815 (T-tail) and 821, 821 being the design selected in 1992 along with the Yak-130 as a finalist. If selected, it would have been given a "MiG-" designation, perhaps an even number like MiG-32, but the USSR dissolved before that point. As Yak-130 is now the favoured program, the MiG-AT is going for export sales only.