Am thinking of doing a Harrier GR.9 of the Marinefliegerkorps, operating from SMS Graf Zeppelin in the anti-shipping role. Two drop tanks, two Harpoons, two Sidewinders. What's the (newish?) Airfix kit like?
I haven't built the GR.9, but the Airfix FA.2 of the same age is pretty good.
Supposed to be very good, though I don't have one.
The new GR9 kit is very good, part of the new generation of highly detailed kits they have started to do :thumbsup:
Hmmm. Then I am very tempted. Anyone have views on the suggested payload?
Sounds like you are on the right track to me.
The Germans used the Kormoran antiship missile. Maybe use those instead of Harpoon?
Depends what your targets are? Harpoons would work, or maybe Penguins for something a bit more unusual. Or Mavericks for hitting FACs/landing craft?
Ya the GR.9 is awesome ! You won't be disappointed. And your plan sounds perfect.
Wouldn't a GR.9 need a radar to use Harpoon et al though?
Maybe you could cross-kit the GR.9 with an AV-8B II plus (is there a kit of one?) or the Sea Harrier FA.2 to get a uniquely German version?
With hindsight, an AV-8B II plus airframe with Blue Vixen might well have been a better, if slightly slower, choice for the RN....... :rolleyes:
Kormoron one wing, HARM on the other for the 'double whammy' approach?
I was going to suggest radar as well, Harold got in first! The AN/APG-65 from the Harrier II+ is probably the best bet as there's some commonality with German F-4's. Change the nose and it more or less becomes an AV-8B+, the main difference would be the extra pylons on the GR.9 airframe.
Quote from: Weaver on February 14, 2013, 04:43:36 AM
Wouldn't a GR.9 need a radar to use Harpoon et al though?
Maybe you could cross-kit the GR.9 with an AV-8B II plus (is there a kit of one?)
Yes Harold, Hasegawa does one in 1/72, I've got one in the stash
Quote from: TheSybarite on February 13, 2013, 05:08:39 AM
Am thinking of doing a Harrier GR.9 of the Marinefliegerkorps, operating from SMS Graf Zeppelin in the anti-shipping role. Two drop tanks, two Harpoons, two Sidewinders. What's the (newish?) Airfix kit like?
i used the old airfix GR5/7 ish kit to do a luftwaffe AV-8B this was for the what-if?/harrierSIGs joint display at SMW a few years back for the 'viffed-wiffed' display as some may recall. more details in a day or two.
Hmmm. Maybe I need to source a couple of Kormorans and an AV-8B radome. I'd also considered using Penguins, for a bit of variety.
Quote from: TheSybarite on February 14, 2013, 08:46:03 AM
I'd also considered using Penguins, for a bit of variety.
Radish would recommend Meerkats. :rolleyes:
Quote from: TheSybarite on February 14, 2013, 08:46:03 AM
I'd also considered using Penguins, for a bit of variety.
Are we talking about missiles, paperback books, biscuits, antarctic wildlife or even Tactical Nuclear Penguins (see below)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8380412.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8380412.stm)
You could carry Foxes or a Vixen?
Tactical Nuclear Pequin reminds me of the Batman movie with the Penquin and Catwoman. :lol:
Whatever will fit on the hard points.
Any modern bomb/ missile would look good on the GR.9
Ok, I've ordered the Airfix kit and a resin FA.2 radome. Main payload still to be decided. Harpoons, Kormorans, Penguins, Sea Eagles...
Mount some above the wing like the Jag and put them all on!!
I'm afraid I've always found over-wing mounts a bit ugly. Just need to sort the decals now.
Going to look awesome with an FA.2 nose....I was thinking of doing the same thing !
:cheers:
I did a similar thing a few years ago which I called a Sea Harrier F/A 3
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi776.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fyy47%2FGondor44%2FSea%2520Harrier%2520FA3%2F100_0312.jpg&hash=c7ac14abe2f008e63d39438d4e48e2ea01931f6e)
Poor picture quality I know.
I used the end of a 1/48 SUU-23 gun pod for the nose as the diameter was better than the F/A 2 nose.
Gondor
The Airfix kit and the new nose have arrived. It's so tiny! It's years and years since I last made a Harrier - a very crude Matchbox GR.3, if I recall - and I'd quite forgotten.
Airfix is coming out with a new GR.3 if you want to relive the dream :thumbsup:
Great F/A 3 Gondor...looks about right eh !
:cheers:
Am now bidding on a cheapy Italeri Tornado MRCA on eBay which might give me some Kormorans.
Or might not, but I'm the only bidder and it closes tomorrow. Oh well. Beginnings of a stash, I suppose.
Now u can build a Tornado too !
:cheers:
Quote from: TheSybarite on February 22, 2013, 12:40:06 PM
Oh well. Beginnings of a stash, I suppose.
We all have to start somewhere ----mahawaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :wacko: ;D
Quote from: NARSES2 on February 23, 2013, 01:43:32 AM
Quote from: TheSybarite on February 22, 2013, 12:40:06 PM
Oh well. Beginnings of a stash, I suppose.
We all have to start somewhere ----
----------------------but we rarely if ever seem to stop.
Quote from: Rheged on February 23, 2013, 02:01:59 AM
----------------------but we rarely if ever seem to stop.
And that's a problem? ;D :lol:
Quote from: PR19_Kit on February 23, 2013, 02:50:30 AM
Quote from: Rheged on February 23, 2013, 02:01:59 AM
----------------------but we rarely if ever seem to stop.
And that's a problem? ;D :lol:
Should it be one? It certainly isn't to me. Madame Rheged is relaxed about it, as I should imagine is your good lady.
Quote from: TheSybarite on February 22, 2013, 12:40:06 PM
Or might not, but I'm the only bidder and it closes tomorrow. Oh well. Beginnings of a stash, I suppose.
No 100% sure but I may have one of those kits in the stash that is probably of no use to me so if you don't get the one you are after on ebay give me a pm and we can talk terms.
Gondor
Many thanks, but I remained the only bidder and got it. Now to see what's in it...
Also wonder if I should put a Vulcan pod and an ammo pod underneath.
Cannons are always cool.
:cheers:
strap a gau8 underneath ;D
Just don't want to overburden the poor bird.
Does anyone know of after-market Vulcan pods for the Harrier? I'm loath to buy a whole AV-8B just for the pods.
Just open up the front end of the avionics pods that come with the GR - they're based on the original ADEN gunpods anyway. :thumbsup:
Also, the Harrier has never carried the Vulcan. The AV-8B has a GAU-12 Equalizer 25mm five-barrel gun, and the first-gen Harriers/SHar1s had ADENs.
Well, the cheapy Tornado has arrived and DOES have Kormorans, so that's one thing sorted.
I'm pretty sure I've got an AV-8B GAU-12 pod if you want it. I'll have a dig through the spares box.
If you've got the pair, that'd be great. Drop me a DM.
It comes as a single item, the ammo and gun pods are connected by a fairing for the ammo feed
You can make it out in this pic:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/AV-8B_Harrier_taking_off_in_Sierra_Leone_-_May_2006_%28Defense_Visual_Information_Center%2C_USMC%2C_USDoD%29_CROPPED.jpg
PM incoming.
Right, so cannon and ammo pods underneath, two drop tanks, two Kormorans and two Sidewinders, with two hard points unused. A reasonable payload.
Sounds good to me !
:cheers:
You could put chaff and flare launchers on the last pair of pylons
Gondor
Aren't the flare launchers built into the new 'winder rails ? Or is that just ECM ? The GRs never went with the packs near the fin base like the USMC did they ? Something I need to think about for my CDN GR trio !
:blink:
Quote from: Captain Canada on March 06, 2013, 03:21:34 PM
Aren't the flare launchers built into the new 'winder rails ? Or is that just ECM ? The GRs never went with the packs near the fin base like the USMC did they ? Something I need to think about for my CDN GR trio !
:blink:
That's a BOL chaff launcher if I remember correctly. The RAF birds have flown with extra chaff launchers anyway and there is never any harm to carrying any self protection devices if you have the thrust to lug them skyward
Gondor