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Title: Float Stuka
Post by: Faust on December 11, 2012, 01:32:07 PM
Hey all!

It's been a while, but I'm back and looking forward to seeing and showing some cool What Ifs!

I've started my own website/blog called "The Sprue Lagoon". Right now, the only Whif I have is my Ju-87J-2 Float Stuka (http://wp.me/P2SZML-6t).

Please, take a look and let me know what you think!
Title: Re: Float Stuka
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 11, 2012, 03:42:54 PM
Very nicely modelled and finished off too.

I'm not sure about the position of the floats relative to the fuselage though. Their centre of bouyancy should be close to the CG of the aircraft and your Stuka has them quite a bit aft of that position. Perhaps if the step was level with the rear of the struts it would look a bit better balanced?
Title: Re: Float Stuka
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 11, 2012, 11:40:16 PM
Nice. I have seen something similar in a Japanese Navy guise, and I also considered building such a (con)version, too. Agree with PR19_Kit, though: the spats look a bit wacky, togther with the floats, and from this perspective the arrangement looks a bit strange (the wings hide the rear part of the support construction) - at least to me, too?

Nevertheless, a fine xecution. Like the Italian markings, too!
Title: Re: Float Stuka
Post by: NARSES2 on December 12, 2012, 07:19:26 AM
Oh I like that - Italian, torpedo, float Stuka  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Float Stuka
Post by: Cliffy B on December 12, 2012, 04:09:22 PM
Very nice idea and a well done model.  You'll fit in nicely around here  :thumbsup:
Title: Floating Stuka
Post by: sequoiaranger on December 13, 2012, 11:21:09 AM
Faust: Welcome to the monkey house!

I like the floaty Stuka, and contrary to some, think the floats are in the right place. The heavily-loaded Stuka's c.g. should be about at the pilot's seat, and your floats seem to be there. I am presuming an additional strut support from the wing just out of "our" sight.

[edit] Oh, I see in the front view that the old spatted struts are the sole support. I would have to say, from a "realistic" point of view, that if you were going to use the one strut support, that it would be positioned further back on the wing (float staying in the same place), OR, add a second, smaller strut near the wing trailing edge (before the moveable surfaces). Actually, the latter would be easy to do, even now (just a suggestion).

Cheers!



For a look-see at some of my whiffs...

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php?action=gallery;cat=9
Title: Re: Float Stuka
Post by: Faust on December 16, 2012, 07:15:42 AM
Hey all!

I can definitely see why people would think the floats should be attached at a more central position, as for the CG of the floats themselves. However, that's about the only thing I don't like about the Seiran; having the floats stick that far forward just looks odd to me. Thus, I put them where they are.

Now, I definitely agree that there should be some kind of rear support. However, when I built the Float Stuka, it had already been a long process, and I was not sure I wanted to mess with it any more.

I think some styrene sheet cut into a support near the rear would have worked fine, and maybe a bit of wire now would do the trick, too. However, I'm going to just leave it, so that it acts as a milestone on my journey of constant improvement. (Whoa! Zen modelling!)

Since this is all a product of imagination anyway, I think it's best if we all just imagine supports back there. :)

That having been said, I do try to take most engineering concepts into account when whiffing something, so I do find it irksome that there are no rear supports (and have found that for years), so I can see your guys' points.

Still, take it for what it is and let's hope I get the engineering right next time! :ph34r:
Title: Re: Float Stuka
Post by: sandiego89 on December 16, 2012, 11:07:03 AM
Agree a little more support for the aft part of the float, but great job. 

I put a rear brace going to the fuselage on my Float Attacker. 

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1193.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa360%2Fsandiego89%2Fattackeronfloats-1.jpg&hash=7e62f68b62bc2c41ec5ab4ca3fc7d88db6f85195)
Title: Re: Float Stuka
Post by: Faust on December 18, 2012, 11:56:38 AM
Dude!

I love the float Attacker! That totally makes that plane suck so much less!

Nice work!
Title: Re: Float Stuka
Post by: ericr on December 23, 2012, 07:27:00 PM
lovely Stuka, even if I agree with the need for a rear strut to feel more comfortably stable.

I have made a flat Stuka sometime back, and I would like to show it but I can't understand how to insert an image file in my post? when I click on "insert image" I can't access the file I uploaded ... should it be somewhere on a server with a url? :unsure: anyone can tell me?

I also have a float attacker, inspired by a blue-line drawing I found on the net somewhere; if I manage to learn how to insert pictures I'll show it too  :-X
Title: Re: Float Stuka
Post by: NARSES2 on December 24, 2012, 01:54:07 AM
Quote from: ericr on December 23, 2012, 07:27:00 PM

I have made a flat Stuka sometime back, and I would like to show it but I can't understand how to insert an image file in my post? when I click on "insert image" I can't access the file I uploaded ... should it be somewhere on a server with a url? :unsure: anyone can tell me?

I also have a float attacker, inspired by a blue-line drawing I found on the net somewhere; if I manage to learn how to insert pictures I'll show it too  :-X

Hi ericr and wellcome. Yup you need to host your images on a host site and then post the image from there.

This thread will explain http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,32096.0.html (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,32096.0.html).

I had great "fun" to start with but I'm ok now. Any problems PM me and I'll try and help

Chris
Title: Re: Float Stuka
Post by: PACOPEPE on December 24, 2012, 06:50:43 AM
I remember a Float -jet- Stuka.....

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1224.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fee362%2Ffranacon%2FHE380_zpsbaf240ec.jpg&hash=56c6932c945e5f791a7e3eac2004f45ac9b4d37c)
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1224.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fee362%2Ffranacon%2FHE380ii_zpseae755fa.jpg&hash=70b373965ac15a8c81145030b88b3fa15f8e9ebe)
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1224.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fee362%2Ffranacon%2FHE380III_zpsb2847029.jpg&hash=8c11af32b207d4a8a6bffa7fbdc57ed61226b5d0)



Regards
Fran
Title: Re: Float Stuka
Post by: ericr on December 25, 2012, 04:27:05 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 24, 2012, 01:54:07 AM
Hi ericr and wellcome. Yup you need to host your images on a host site and then post the image from there.

This thread will explain http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,32096.0.html (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,32096.0.html).

I had great "fun" to start with but I'm ok now. Any problems PM me and I'll try and help

Chris

thanks for the info! let me try that immediately with the Attacker ...

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1274.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy435%2Fericr63%2Fhyd%2Fattacker-s_zps068dc594.jpg&hash=93b656cb4ce1dfcd0a550f2d3cac3bbb28789158)

ahaha! it works!

My models are painted monochrome, because I like to underline their shape, independently of historical context;
They are painted in a primary color (red, yellow, blue) because I like them ;-)

Title: Re: Float Stuka
Post by: ericr on December 25, 2012, 04:31:27 AM
Quote from: PACOPEPE on December 24, 2012, 06:50:43 AM
I remember a Float -jet- Stuka.....

impressive Stuka!

here is a blue one of mine, a bit less whiffed :

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1274.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy435%2Fericr63%2Fhyd%2Fstuka-s_zpsb96b88eb.jpg&hash=083f1a75388565c618e4c1f32bca43fb38821c49)

My models are painted monochrome, because I like to underline their shape, independently of historical context;
They are painted in a primary color (red, yellow, blue) because I like them ;-)
Title: Re: Float Stuka
Post by: Faust on December 26, 2012, 05:23:23 AM
Awesome!

So much floaty goodness makes my heart sing with joy! I don't know why, but floats are just one of those awesome things that can make even the best plane look clunky and old, and that's what makes them awesome!

That jet Stuka is crazy!   :blink:

Nice work to everyone!