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Picture Post => Current and Finished Projects => Aircraft => Topic started by: Gondor on September 08, 2012, 02:35:50 PM

Title: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on September 08, 2012, 02:35:50 PM
Defiantly a what if!

Inspired by  this (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,34618.0/highlight,hs+typhoon.html) I decided to put my own twist to the idea.

So what can my subtly twisted mind come up with. Well to start with I decided to use the ESCI EFA as a basis for my build as it would provide much cleaner lines which would be more in keeping with a Hawker design.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4299/36055919332_478a599683_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WW91DA)

I decided that the heat exchanges under the fuselage had to go, Far to chunky and bulky for Hawker's so at some point I will be adding some  NACA ducts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NACA_duct) instead, once I build up the courage or run out of other parts of the build that I can do instead.  The semi recessed Sparrow/Sky Flash locations will be filled in later as I do not feel they are fitting for this aircraft. I favour Red Top and Radar Red Top as weapons.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4294/35415551833_222ec668fd_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VXxXGD)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4317/36086133371_68d700e20b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WYNSei)

So with the fuselage together I decided to look at the exhausts. Not happy with what was provided in the kit I looked at the exhausts from a Trumpeter Lightning kit only to be a little disappointed with what was provided in the kit which made me realise why various correction sets were released for the exhausts.
However this did set my mind working and while shifting through my stash for an F-4M to turn into an RF-4M I realised that a set of R-R Spey's would be just the ticket.  ;D

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4301/35415551543_32892664a2_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VXxXBD)

Unfortunately the exhaust shrouds from the Fujimi kit examples don't fit  :banghead:

A couple of cuts, one to each side of the spine and the addition of a piece of plastic card later......

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4292/35415551363_1797dedcd7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VXxXyx)

They Fit!!  :thumbsup:

The next step was the cut the underside of the fuselage into several sections to help contour around the larger diameter engines.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4308/35415551143_131e75fdfe_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VXxXuK)

The addition of some plastic tubing into the rear of the fuselage, which the exhausts fit nicely into, helps to keep the shape at the rear of the fuselage especially not that the existing plastic needs to be "extended" to cover the more corpulent rear.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4303/35415550803_47c902a00b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VXxXoT)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4295/36086132671_f1ff215051_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WYNS2e)

Isn't it wonderful how plans change. I was looking at the width at the rear of the fuselage and realised that the gap between the exhausts was far too wide to my eye. So out came a saw and I started to cut the sheet plastic inside the fuselage into two only to have the plastic tube pop out of the fuselage  :banghead: so much for using Liquid Poly for joining the tubes to the fuselage.

Plan "B" involved adding various amounts of plastic between the plastic tubes to pack them out to the correct width, seen below clamped into place while the super glue was drying.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4324/35415550423_155950a583_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VXxXhk)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4309/35415550223_ef660f9bd4_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VXxXdT)

When I fitted the tubing to the insides of the rear fuselage I used my  BERNA Multiclamp (http://berna-clamps.e-monsite.com/pages/conservation-restoration/securing-delicate-fragile-light-objects-without-marring-for-artifact-restoration-and-conservation.html) to handle the curvature of both the fuselage and tube, normal clamping methods were used to ensure that everything would hold together.

I have checked to see if the widening of the fuselage rear has affected the angle that the wing tip pods are in relation to each other. Fortunately they appear, at least going by the grid on my cutting mat, to be parallel with each other.  <_<

Hopefully I can progress fairly rapidly with this build although I suspect that the RF-4M may nudge this build to the side but we will see.

Godor
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: TsrJoe on September 09, 2012, 12:06:53 AM
looking really good so far Alistair, definately going to look different from the norm methinks, especially with that widened back end to acommodate the Spey burner exhausts  :thumbsup:

the fin will hopefully have the distinctive 'Hawker curve' altho the later designs, eg F.16/17 analogues had mostly angular ones (some itinerations did still carry rounded tips and LE. run ins to the fuselage tho)

cheers, Joe
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: NARSES2 on September 09, 2012, 01:55:33 AM
Engineering in miniature at its best  :bow:
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Devilfish on September 09, 2012, 11:58:52 PM
Wow. That's taking my idea to the next level.  

I have my 1/48 Tiff in the stash now awaiting it's turn to become the bigger brother of my first effort (your inspiration  :thumbsup:).  My first one was done at a faster pace than I'd have liked as it was done for a GB on another site.

Will be watching this one with interest.

Just one point I've noticed....the heat exchangers don't appear on my one.  They are recessed already.  I'm assuming the Esci kit is based on a prototype?
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on September 10, 2012, 03:16:26 AM
I think the Esci kit was based on a set of drawings let alone a prototype aircraft.

Gondor
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Thorvic on September 10, 2012, 04:25:49 AM
Quote from: Gondor on September 10, 2012, 03:16:26 AM
I think the Esci kit was based on a set of drawings let alone a prototype aircraft.

Gondor

Actually i think it and the Revell EFA were based on the Mock Ups  :blink:
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: TallEng on September 10, 2012, 05:15:41 AM
Now that is strange/funny,  :blink: because,

Inspired by this I decided to put my own twist to the idea.

Is exactly what I thought!
Except I was going to try and "Hunterise" it a bit more :thumbsup:
In fact I've got this far with it,

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi980.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fae284%2FTourjet%2F7dac65fdd8e0c0e2e2a516396bf66408.jpg&hash=e9a9b27d244294499330f0da12d0e426141993cb)

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi980.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fae284%2FTourjet%2F8989de981149757ca2482815c71c0f64.jpg&hash=8ead4b972155ef29bdd8441ed67ba2b91ec8fc6e)

Hope you don't mind the thread jacking, I expect yours will be finished long before mine,
I look forward seeing more

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Devilfish on September 10, 2012, 06:50:03 AM
Oooooooooh....I think I've started something here........ :thumbsup:

Looks like I'm going to have to get on with my 1/48 one and incorporate all the things I didn't get the chance to on the small one!
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: ysi_maniac on September 10, 2012, 09:43:32 AM
Going cool! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on September 10, 2012, 11:00:03 AM
Not worried about the tread jacking though it would be nice to see what your doing. The really interesting part will be when I try to make this a twin stick machine  :blink:

Kind of concentrating on the RF-4M at the moment although I have not stopped working on this build.

Gondor
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Devilfish on September 10, 2012, 11:13:03 PM
Quote from: Gondor on September 10, 2012, 11:00:03 AM
Not worried about the tread jacking though it would be nice to see what your doing. The really interesting part will be when I try to make this a twin stick machine  :blink:

Kind of concentrating on the RF-4M at the moment although I have not stopped working on this build.

Gondor

If it's any use, I think I have the canopy still from mine, which started life as a twin sticker.  Alternatively, you could use something more "period" like a Bucc canopy?
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on September 11, 2012, 11:41:03 AM
Thanks for the offer Devilfish but I already have plans for the front end and the parts to do it. I usually plan out my builds before I start cutting plastic, saying that I decided that I should use ejector seats from a Fujimi F-4K/M instead of the seats provided in the donor kit.

Gondor
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Captain Canada on September 11, 2012, 08:10:46 PM
Neat stuff. I love navalized Typhoons...no matter whhere they come from !

:tornado:
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Devilfish on September 11, 2012, 11:16:25 PM
Quote from: Captain Canada on September 11, 2012, 08:10:46 PM
Neat stuff. I love navalized Typhoons...no matter whhere they come from !

:tornado:

Is it going to be a Navy one?

I used an Aeroclub Phantom seat in mine.  Next one will have a Mk9 probably as it will be the same period as the Harrier.  I've been planning the new rear end (doing research on period engines, sizes, weights, thrust etc) and also the new intakes.  Cockpit layout is pretty much decidd, but I am still undecided on what canopy to use....
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on September 12, 2012, 04:26:46 AM
Quote from: Captain Canada on September 11, 2012, 08:10:46 PM
Neat stuff. I love navalized Typhoons...no matter where they come from !

:tornado:

That's news to me and I am building the aircraft  :unsure: :blink:  It is defiantly going to be Royal Air Force  though I have yet to decide which squadron although as it's a trainer it could well end up in an OCU or similar.

I have toyed with the idea of making the aircraft a naval variant though. I decided against it though as I would have to do even more work than I already have to do as well as find or modify the nose leg into a twin wheel affair.

Gondor
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Devilfish on September 12, 2012, 08:15:36 AM
Not neccessarily. RN Carriers used the catapult strop, so a single nosewheel is feasible, and in actual fact, all British designed and built carrier-borne aircraft that I can think of only had a single nosewheel...

But, you'd have to beef up the main undercarriage and make the wing folding and add a proper hook......
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on September 12, 2012, 09:54:08 AM
Quote from: Devilfish on September 12, 2012, 08:15:36 AM
Not neccessarily. RN Carriers used the catapult strop, so a single nosewheel is feasible, and in actual fact, all British designed and built carrier-borne aircraft that I can think of only had a single nosewheel...

But, you'd have to beef up the main undercarriage and make the wing folding and add a proper hook......

Yep...... pain so not doing it!

Gondor
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on September 14, 2012, 01:32:10 PM
Not done much this last week other than build the ejector seats and paint the cockpit in it's base colour. I should get a lot more done over the weekend.

Gondor
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: kerick on September 14, 2012, 05:07:30 PM
Ideas like this is why I always come back to this site!
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on September 18, 2012, 11:57:43 AM
A little more progress

Not sure about the fin which is only "placed" in position without glue or anything else to hold it there. Think I might have to scratch build or modify another fin if I can find one from somewhere.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4304/35415549933_4784ba0084_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VXxX8T)

A better view of the filler applied to the upper rear surface. I will probably follow the method used by Devilfish in his Hawker Siddeley Typhoon F1 with the air brakes with a slight modification. NACA intakes will be added when most of the build is done and will probably just be cut outs in this scale for the size of intakes required.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4307/36055924402_4200b89c29_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WW93a1)

On the whole I am happy with the direction that the build is taking although I wish I could build quicker so that I could get it to a show this year rather than next year.

Gondor
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: NARSES2 on September 19, 2012, 07:28:49 AM
Alistair, your build pace, is your pace. If you try and quicken it to much you won't be happy with the results. I for one enjoy "listening" to your thought processes  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: kerick on September 19, 2012, 09:47:49 AM
If you rush it it won't be up to your usual standards. Take your time and it will be a show stopper.
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on September 19, 2012, 11:26:52 AM
I am going to be off work for a few days with a bad back  :banghead: but I can sit at a table modelling away from time to time.

Gondor
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on September 20, 2012, 02:24:45 PM
Why is it that late at night or travelling as a passenger somewhere you can come up with answers to problems or even dream up interesting models?

Well last night I realised how I could change the rather non Hawker looking EFA tail fin, which to me looks more like a Soviet designed fin but more of that when I get a second ESCI EFA, and change it into something better. Well I decided that I could not do so for partly the reason above and secondly I thought I had a fin somewhere in one of my spares boxes. Later I realised that I have a Whirlybirds Hawker P.1121 in the stash that could provide a template to the fin shape.

Remember how to make brass rubbing's, or rather the technique

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4325/36221170575_ff1b8c2301_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XbJY5X)

after a little work with a protractor and ruler I came to the conclusion that the fin's leading edge was at an angle of 28o

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4293/36055923682_8b9509fd11_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WW92WA)

I did think that the fin of the P.1121 was a little on the short side so the fin for the Typhoon will be taller.

Here you can see the partly modified fin next to a cut out of the P.1121 fin for comparison.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4296/36221170275_cc1c772d58_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XbJXZM)

Obviously there needs to be quite a bit of work carried out yet but here is a start....

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4303/36055923222_9bc72e0cfa_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WW92NE)

Might be a little two swept back but as it's made out of plastic its easy to "chop" and change around if necessary.

Gondor
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 20, 2012, 11:56:51 PM
Quote from: Gondor on September 20, 2012, 02:24:45 PM
........ but as it's made out of plastic its easy to "chop" and change around if necessary.

The very essence of Whiffery!  ;D :lol: :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Devilfish on September 21, 2012, 02:41:24 AM
I used Sir Sidney Camms principal of "if it looks right, it is right!" and did mine purely by eye.
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on September 21, 2012, 05:20:16 AM
I wasn't happy about sit of the rear of the fuselage spine as seen below, it looks as if it is sloping upwards towards the rear of the aircraft.....

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4304/35415549933_4784ba0084_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VXxX8T)

so out came the mini drill with its circular saw blade and a few minutes later.....

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4298/36221169595_091f8ec73b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XbJXN4)
which now looks like........

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4320/36055922532_cd2d9947e0_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WW92AL)

The picture from the rear also shows the construction of the rear of the aircraft.

The fin is causing me problems as I said in my last posting. However I thought, at 4am during a bathroom break, (inspiration and such)  that perhaps I should see what the result would look like if I used the same angle for the leading edge as the wing sweep was...... but then I was looking at some drawings of other Hawker aircraft around the early 60's and thought that I had better see what the fin would look like in relationship to the fuselage  so here is that answer......

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4297/35415552423_6b9dbae052_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VXxXSP)

Not happy with that as it looks way to big and it also confirmed my previous thought about the angle the leading edge of the fin has so I drew out the angle of the wing sweep back, on this model of the EFA which is 38o and placed the fin onto it.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4318/36221169105_2122ae2989_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XbJXDB)

I think that looks much better now so its back to the plastic.

Gondor
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: NARSES2 on September 21, 2012, 07:17:22 AM
This is like watching someones brain working from the inside  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Thorvic on September 21, 2012, 09:31:52 AM
Something along these lines perhaps ?
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv666%2FThorvic%2F1202-11BWindstormFGR1copy_zpsc3e5c1fd.jpg&hash=1b21a676aa3a04c6c7cc904a01db3206102eb19e)

Hawker Siddley HS-1202-11b. F-16 inspired but with Hawker wing and Tail.

G
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on September 21, 2012, 09:46:08 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on September 21, 2012, 07:17:22 AM
This is like watching someones brain working from the inside  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :bow:

You seriously do NOT want to know how my mind works in reality, however I do not mind sharing how I arrive at the finished aircraft I build, especially like this one which I am really enjoying doing the working out of.

Gondor
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on September 21, 2012, 03:10:22 PM
Some of you may have noticed that I received a couple of AIRES British Phantom engine exhausts which I intend to use with some of my Fujimi Phantoms as real world builds. This has freed up a couple of sets of exhausts for use in other projects, namely this one. I did have a set of Fujimi Spey Phantom exhausts already but Fujimi made two different levels of detail with their British Phantoms and I had been using the more basic and less detailed set of exhausts so far, the arrival of the resin exhausts freed up a set of the more detailed exhausts..... result  :thumbsup:

As you may have noticed, I have used some plastic tubing with an external diameter of 13mm and an internal diameter of slightly less than 11mm. With the basic exhausts this has not been a problem as the external diameter of the part of the exhausts that goes into the airframe being of an external diameter of a little over 10mm. You can probably work out where this is going by now.......

Sure enough the external diameter of the more detailed exhausts is a little larger, in fact their external diameter is a full 12mm!! which means that I will need to remove a whole 1.3mm approximately from the inside of the tubing if I want the more detailed exhausts to fit  :banghead: :banghead:

Replace the tubing is a possibility, but I used super-glue to fix the existing tubing into place so to remove them would mean wrecking the rear fuselage to get them out, I also do not have access to any replacement tubing to replace them so it looks as if they will have to stay.  :banghead: :banghead:

The answer that I fully intend to pursue will be to finish the construction of the fuselage and possibility the whole airframe then to use a large circular file or a roll of sandpaper to enlarge the inside of the tubing to facilitate the fitting of the more detailed exhausts. Its a pain but the fitting of the more detailed exhausts will look better in the end, even if I have to spend more time and effort to get them to fit. The difference in diameters is actual so much that the more basic exhausts will fit inside the more detailed ones!

Gondor
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on September 25, 2012, 02:14:29 PM
Did a little work on the leading edge of the fin today, nothing else to report other than the fact that I may have found a source of some missiles to help arm the aircraft.

Gondor
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on October 10, 2012, 11:32:20 AM
Absolutely nothing done  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Way too much real life getting in the way of things but I will be taking this to Glasgow to do some work on.

Gondor
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on July 20, 2013, 03:00:42 PM
Finally made some progress  :thumbsup:

The cockpit is built and "fitted" to the main part of the fuselage. I am not 100% happy with it but then it does need a lot of work to make the new two seater cockpit blend in with the rest of the airframe without making it look bulky. It is after all a Hawker Siddeley product!

No pictures yet as I want people to try and work out what I have used for this part  ;D

Gondor
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on July 26, 2013, 01:23:53 PM
Opened a new tube of filler yesterday. Work is slow at the moment on this build but there is progress. Pictures later when the airframe is nearer completion.

Gondor
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on July 04, 2015, 04:18:10 AM
So I have been watching a series of videos on You-tube about Kerbal Space Program when I looked around and realised I could be doing a little modelling work at the same time. So I look out this build knowing that I need to enlarge the hole in the tubing at the rear of the aircraft due to the change in the exhausts being used in this build.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4309/36221168635_0c8342969d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XbJXvv)

As can be seen, the diameter of the exhaust is larger due to the detail Fujimi have moulded into the Spay exhausts. Also seen in these photographs is the lesser spotted cutting matt. Its amazing what you can find under an inch or two of modelling detritus  :blink:

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4295/36055921802_9e9a087422_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WW92ob)

You can see below the difference in the internal diameter of the tubing after modification which was easy to do, just dusty and time consuming

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4303/36221168865_63c48a63d3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XbJXzt)

The edges of the exhausts will need to be cleaned up prior to finishing the contouring of the fuselage.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4302/36221167985_68bb19ff59_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XbJXji)

As can be seen above, the shrouds around the exhausts are too wide for the fuselage contours so I may have to add filler to build up the difference between the two.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4304/35415554053_3bddb4f623_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VXxYmV)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4326/36055921362_7e6ed7c094_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WW92fA)

Just had a thought. Why do I need to have the shroud around the exhaust petals of the spay engine? The engines I am using are from the F-4K/M which probably had the shrouds to help protect the rear fuselage of the Phantom. The Buccaneer S2 used the Spay engine and didn't have the shroud and I am sure that other aircraft that used them didn't either. A quick check has confirmed that I could just place the petals straight onto the rear of the fuselage without any modification and they will cover the tubing exactly so no extra building up of the fuselage to match the exhaust shrouds. I need to think more about how I am going to reduce the shrouds or remove them completely. Keeping the exhausts as one piece would probably be best as that would allow me to fit them at the end of the build but achieving this needs some thought.

Gondor
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 04, 2015, 05:04:37 AM
Don't forget that the Phantom had re-heated Speys whereas the Bucc didn't, so the exhausts were bound to be different.
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on July 04, 2015, 05:13:59 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on July 04, 2015, 05:04:37 AM
Don't forget that the Phantom had re-heated Speys whereas the Bucc didn't, so the exhausts were bound to be different.

There is not going to be anything behind or anywhere as close on this aircraft to the exhaust as there is on the Phantom so I will definitely get rid of the shrouds. Thinking about cutting the exhaust trunking away from the shrouds then glueing the trunking inside the tubing that I have been thinning and then applying the petals to the end at the end of or near the end of the build.

Gondor
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: eatthis on July 04, 2015, 05:29:28 AM
excellent work here  :bow:
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Captain Canada on July 04, 2015, 06:23:44 AM
Yes, very nice ! This is going to be epic  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: DogfighterZen on July 04, 2015, 10:08:36 AM
This is looking very good! I like the changes done so far and also, to see one resurrected after so long!  :thumbsup:

:cheers:
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on July 04, 2015, 03:33:34 PM
Quote from: DogfighterZen on July 04, 2015, 10:08:36 AM
This is looking very good! I like the changes done so far and also, to see one resurrected after so long!  :thumbsup:

:cheers:

I may actually have an older thread or two that I may resurrect at some point. Simply trying to clear some of the backlog.

Gondor
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on July 05, 2015, 11:00:27 AM
Managed to reduce the thickness of the second tube's walls so it looks as if my plan is taking shape, not sure what shape though  :blink:

Gondor
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on July 05, 2015, 03:28:20 PM
In fact the result of a little more work was the following pictures.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4325/36221166465_aecdde9d4c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XbJWS6)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4327/35415553453_09024245b4_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VXxYbz)

Which was put into the tubes mentioned earlier in this thread to produce this

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4307/36221167455_6ab2b33379_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XbJXaa)

and with a torch providing light into the tunnel

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4328/35386908224_3587f02660_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VV29Xj)

Adding the "can's" to the tubes at this stage was prompted by my intent to physically bend and super-glue some of the lower fuselage panels around the tubes to provide a much more shapely rear end  :rolleyes: but with all the sanding to increase the internal diameter the thickness of the tubes walls was obviously reduced to the point that was was unsure if the fuselage panels or the tubes were going to flex if I clamped them together. Adding the can's inside the tubes will provide stiffening for dealing with the shaping of the rear end.

Gondor

Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 05, 2015, 04:15:00 PM
Quote from: Gondor on July 05, 2015, 03:28:20 PM

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi776.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fyy47%2FGondor44%2FHS%2520Typhoon%2520T2%2FImgp5681_zpsvdxlckvo.jpg&hash=64b67389280d354fb6681203bd52e2e51edd5280) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/HS%20Typhoon%20T2/Imgp5681_zpsvdxlckvo.jpg.html)


That looks remarkably like the business end of a double barrelled shotgun!  :o

One improved cylinder barrel and one choked!
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on July 05, 2015, 05:04:18 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on July 05, 2015, 04:15:00 PM
Quote from: Gondor on July 05, 2015, 03:28:20 PM

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4307/36221167455_6ab2b33379_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XbJXaa)


That looks remarkably like the business end of a double barrelled shotgun!  :o

One improved cylinder barrel and one choked!

Not exactly the intention, but I see what you mean  :-\

Gondor
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on July 17, 2015, 04:52:52 AM
A bit more progress work while I am not feeling confident about my P.1121 build.

First off I sorted out the edges of the underside panels that are in place at the moment

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4326/35415552933_f797921627_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VXxY2B)

The resultant gap will be the well for the arresting hook just like on the Jaguar for airfield equipment rather than naval use, though I am not going to rule that out.

The following picture shows the small G clamp I have holding the edge of the panel in place so that it conforms to the curvature of the engine space

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4325/36055919972_c2e714f14b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WW91QC)

The result being this

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4314/35415552603_302fe895de_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VXxXVV)

And with both panels

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4304/36055919662_2cbc97caa1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WW91Kh)

Next step is to box in the hook trough and to PSR the rest of the gaps in the fuselage which I am not looking forward to doing.

Gondor

Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: The Wooksta! on July 18, 2015, 04:54:01 PM
With those gaps, you'll be better of with P38 car body filler.  It'll cure far, far faster than milliput, sand to a glasslike smoothness and if you time it right when it's curing, you'll be able to cut it like cottage cheese.
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on July 19, 2015, 02:02:32 AM
Quote from: The Wooksta! on July 18, 2015, 04:54:01 PM
With those gaps, you'll be better of with P38 car body filler.  It'll cure far, far faster than milliput, sand to a glasslike smoothness and if you time it right when it's curing, you'll be able to cut it like cottage cheese.

Some of those gaps are to be dealt with by using plastic card, the one in the lower fuselage (Top side in the picture as the fuselage is upside down) is to be used to house a hook. The gap between the exhausts and the base of where the tail is has not been decided yet but will probably involve a blanking plate if I done make something protrude from the current hole. I basically only have a rough idea in my head of where I am going with this Lee, at least in outline, the details will come as I continue with the build.

Gondor
Title: Re: Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2
Post by: Gondor on August 28, 2015, 02:30:33 PM
Had another look at doing the tail fin for this build. I am now thinking of copying the fin from the P.1121 although I might reduce the hight a little, might not. Will try it out using paper first before plastic is cut. Will use an old Hasegawa F-111 tail fin I have spare cut to size and shape when the time comes.

Gondor