I decided to bring my new project over to its proper place from the idea bank. Its a development of the amphibious assault ship as a hospital ship thread. I'm going with the idea that the US Coast Guard uses a ship in the Caribbean and Atlantic for drug smuggling interdiction and hurricane relief.
I swore I would not start another project until I finished the Super Blackhawk. Well, its a small project. I had a 1200 scale Yorktown laying around so I started on that. Tiny but looking good so far.
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This is the door to the well dock for landing craft to bring supplies ashore after the local docks have been destroyed by a disaster.
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Stern half of the ship is hospital and supplt storage.
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I closed in the Yorktowns bow and added deck edge aircraft elevators.
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Now I will have to make tiny little choppers for the flight deck.
I like it! But you need to rebuild it......in 1/350th :thumbsup:
Well collecting enough helicopters on the deck would be a lot easier, that's for sure.
Great work on something so tiny :thumbsup:
Cool idea !
I'll just throw this in there so you can see my idea of how it could be done.
This is the Coastal Guard Rescue/Hospital ship for my Fictious island nation of the Free Islands Republic on face(less) book.
I know it has some stuff to puzzle you but otherwise it has usable design features.
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Quote from: Go4fun on July 29, 2012, 01:00:54 PM
I'll just throw this in there so you can see my idea of how it could be done.
This is the Coastal Guard Rescue/Hospital ship for my Fictious island nation of the Free Islands Republic on face(less) book.
I know it has some stuff to puzzle you but otherwise it has usable design features.
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Here's the thread I mentioned http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,35519.0.html
Nice discussion on the concept of a disaster relief/hospital/former amphib assault ship. Your design looks like it would fit right in!
Does International Law apply in the Free Islands Republic?
I have an idea that hospital ships are not allowed to be armed under IL rules and that looks like a gun turrret forward of the main mast.
[Almost JMN mode off]
A true hospital ship cannot be armed but does that count in todays world?
I've added some deck cranes and am finishing closing up the bow. I want to make some shipping containers to place on the deck to store relief supplies. Does anyone make 1/1200 scale choppers?
Call it "anti-missile defences" because missiles can't/don't recognise red crosses? :-\
Quote from: Old Wombat on July 30, 2012, 09:28:46 PM
Call it "anti-missile defences" because missiles can't/don't recognise red crosses? :-\
:thumbsup: Nor do certain...paramilitary (?) organizations. And I think
defensive weaponry may be allowed by IL, CIWS, Sea Sparrow, etc.
In regards to weapons and hospital ships:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospital_ship
QuoteInternational law
Hospital ships were covered under the Hague Convention X of 1907. Article four of the Hague Convention X outlined the restrictions for a hospital ship:
Ship must be clearly marked and lighted as a hospital ship
The ship should give medical assistance to wounded personnel of all nationalities
The ship must not be used for any military purpose
The ship must not interfere with or hamper enemy combatant vessels
Belligerents, as designated by the Hague Convention, can search any hospital ship to investigate violations of the above restrictions
Belligerents will establish the location a hospital ship
According to the San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, a hospital ship violating legal restrictions must be duly warned and given a reasonable time limit to comply. If a hospital ship persists in violating restrictions, a belligerent is legally entitled to capture it or take other means to enforce compliance. A non-complying hospital ship may only be fired on under the following conditions:
Diversion or capture is not feasible
No other method to exercise control is available
The violations are grave enough to allow the ship to be classified as a military objective
The damage and casualties will not be disproportionate to the military advantage.
QuoteLegal status
Modern hospital ships display large Red Crosses or Red Crescents to signify their Geneva convention protection under the laws of war. Even so, marked vessels have not been completely free from attack. During both WW I and WW II (see Lists of hospital ships sunk in either war), noncombatant markings did not stop the sinking of a number of hospital ships by either side. In one peculiar case, a British air attack in 1945 sank the German ship SS Deutschland with substantial loss of life. In the war's closing days, this ship may have been in the process of conversion to a hospital ship. If so, it apparently had not been sufficiently marked as a hospital ship, perhaps owing to the chaos surrounding the collapse of military and civilian authority in Nazi Germany.
Some hospital ships, such as the SS Hope, belong to civilian agencies, and as such are not part of any navy.
The British Royal Fleet Auxiliary ship RFA Argus would be a hospital ship were it not for its armaments. When performing its medical role it is designated a 'primary casualty receiving ship'.
Armed vessels are disqualified from protection as a hospital ship under international law.
Personally I was thinking about the wackos in the world who would attack such a ship either as terrorism or "by mistake". Laws of war don't mean much to some regimes these days. Any way, this project is somewhat more related to RFA Argus, being in the Coast Guard and patrolling for drug smugglers when not responding to an emergency.
Trying to make a SH-60. Fuselage is 1/2 inch long with rotor diameter of the same. I don't think I will be appling decals. I'm thinking of rotor blades cut from a pop can as decal film will not be rigid enough. If I get really crazy I'll try a MV-22. Pray for me.
In the Free Islands territorial waters we sometimes get rather large ice floes or small icebergs. The ammunition for the guns on the top deck are only thin cased explosives for this purpose and fletchete rounds for use when linked to the Computerized Defensive Weapons System. it has been sugested the gun(s) and CDWS because it is usally accompanied by either Naval or armed Coastal Guard ships but as the fleet is still in the inital build phase this will have to wait.
Been working on the chopper and some life boats. Had to add a space to hang the life boats from. I'll also add lots of the inflatable Navy style life raft containers.
Some pics from today. I painted the Jayhawk in USCG colors. I need to paint the nose black.
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Here's the Jayhawk on deck.
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Here's a shot of the deck edge elevator.
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I'm still tempted to try a MV-22. Also working on some containers to stack on deck. Time will tell.
The containers are made, 53' and 40'. Sprayed on some gloss white and some of the bondo filler seemed to soak up the paint, even after letting the first coat dry for 24 hours. Other spots of Bondo I coated with liquid glue first and they seem fine. I must have missed a couple spots. Always some touchup somewhere.
Some pics with paint and details in place. The flight deck will be painted before the containers and the Jayhawk are permently attached. The life boats are the orange pieces on the side.
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I added the Navy style inflateable rafts to the edges of the deck by glueing rod in place then cutting slots with a razor saw.
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Slowly coming together. Some red decal stripes on the hull and landing spots for the helios next.
Well, I don't have any Coast Guard decals in the stash so this will become a hospital/relief ship with a really big flight deck. Painted the deck and attached the boats and containers. With some red crosses and and deck markings she will be colorful. Plenty of red decal stripes that can be cut to make red crosses.
I like the concept and execution.
Couldn't help but think that, in side-view, the ship looked a lot like a "Pine Island" seaplane carrier with its bow cut off and the stern becoming the "stem".
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I see what you mean. I just wanted the flight deck to be in the front of the ship. Seems like there would be less trouble with wind turbulance than with the flight deck behind the superstructure. It must not be a big problem in the real world as many ships have the flight decks at the stern.
Finally got around to some decals. Coast Guard stripes on the bow with lots of little details. Pics will follow tomorrow.
As promised
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Nice little diversion completely made from stuff I already had laying around. Hope you like it.
I like it ! Very interesting ship. Looks great in those colours as well, always liked the USCG cutter style...
How many choppers are you going to have on it ?
:cheers:
Just one Jayhawk so far. I have a crazy idea for an MV-22.
Quote from: kerick on February 23, 2013, 09:46:20 AM
Just one Jayhawk so far. I have a crazy idea for an MV-22.
That's not a crazy idea my friend. Nice build :thumbsup:
Here's a couple shots with the Jayhawk in place. Not bad for something about 6 inches long. The ship, not the Jayhawk. That's 1/2 inch long.
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Still needs a shot of dullcoat to knock the shine down a little. I painted it gloss white to help with the decals. The red and blue stripes on the hull came from an ooooooold decal sheet. What a pain! Decals kept breaking apart. I threw the whole sheet away, it was beyond my patience to deal with again. Lesson learned, decals do have a shelf life. I know you can spray them with gloss coat or spray varnish and I will save that for when I really need to use a certain sheet.
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Great execution of an interesting concept. :thumbsup:
Thanks.
Nice to have finished something!
Awesome. Nice to see her with the chopper on deck....really brings in the scale.
:cheers:
I fixed the post so the pics show up.