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General Modelling Forum => General Modeling topics => The "WHIF's You Have Found" => Topic started by: Stargazer on March 31, 2012, 04:16:39 PM

Title: Chinese WHIFs !
Post by: Stargazer on March 31, 2012, 04:16:39 PM
Here is a set of excellent artwork by Chinese whiffer Zhang Yu Hui found on his Sina Blog:
http://blog.sina.com.cn/zhangyufeiniao (http://http://blog.sina.com.cn/zhangyufeiniao)


WZ-10M combat helicopter

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H-10 stealth bomber

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fx.bbs.sina.com.cn%2Fforum%2Fpic%2F4acda0a80104p02t&hash=a1996b00fac1a74e2eddb7ec6be65f0698b88646)
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J-20 anf H-10 in formation

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J-14 fighter

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J-14 chasing an EP-3

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J-14 fighter landing on #081 JL-Class aircraft carrier

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Dash-22 Gemini heavy-lift helicopter

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Yun-12 heavy military transport aircraft

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F -15 VTOL fighter program

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fx.bbs.sina.com.cn%2Fforum%2Fpic%2F4acda0a80104jnbg&hash=763db09bf2278f0c28dac4afbc7290596478340a)


"Bronze Sword" UCAV

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fx.bbs.sina.com.cn%2Fforum%2Fpic%2F4acda0a80104ir0j&hash=9431f3880dd41290d99146f9bb4444d6c0049058)
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Support attack aircraft

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Various other designs

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs6.sinaimg.cn%2Forignal%2F4acda0a844852ec8bf555%26amp%3B690&hash=e164e3a994d735520a30fba077ffb2152e680f25)
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(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fx.bbs.sina.com.cn%2Fforum%2Fpic%2F4acda0a80103j451&hash=d311df73166809d54ca3f96dbbea0a43c0b423dd)
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(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fx.bbs.sina.com.cn%2Fforum%2Fpic%2F4acda0a80103ljgk&hash=e6fa999a38eb09d9d9553ebfed9118f760ac6854)
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BONUS (real-life designs):


2008 Chinese fighters escort Air Force One!

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50th anniversary of the F-6 fighter

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Title: Re: Chinese WHIFs !
Post by: MiB on March 31, 2012, 05:32:45 PM
H-10 stealth bomber is really real???? I don't like chinese people, sorry
Title: Re: Chinese WHIFs !
Post by: Stargazer on March 31, 2012, 05:49:49 PM
Quote from: MiB on March 31, 2012, 05:32:45 PM
H-10 stealth bomber is really real???? I don't like chinese people, sorry

If that's all you could say about the above, you really didn't have to bother.
Not only you seemingly failed to understand the word "WHIF" in the topic's title (and therefore the very purpose of this forum), but your racist remark is highly inappropriate.
I'm reporting on you right away to the moderator and I hope you get a word of warning.
In the meantime, please receive my highest disgust.
Title: Re: Chinese WHIFs !
Post by: Supertom on March 31, 2012, 06:28:23 PM
Quote from: MiB on March 31, 2012, 05:32:45 PM
H-10 stealth bomber is really real???? I don't like chinese people, sorry

By some incredible coincidence my wife married a guy of Chinese descent, who also happens to be the administrator of this board!

Strange huh?  I don't like racists, sorry.  Hey did you know that people could get banned off forums for crap like that?!

Please receive my highest disgust too.
Title: Re: Chinese WHIFs !
Post by: Supertom on March 31, 2012, 06:32:20 PM
Quote from: Stargazer2006 on March 31, 2012, 04:16:39 PM
Here is a set of excellent artwork by Chinese whiffer Zhang Yu Hui found on his Sina Blog

Hey Stargazer, nice find by the way.  The WHIFs, that is.
Title: Re: Chinese WHIFs !
Post by: RussC on March 31, 2012, 09:10:13 PM
Quote from: MiB on March 31, 2012, 05:32:45 PM
H-10 stealth bomber is really real???? I don't like chinese people, sorry

Be nice... :-X

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Title: Re: Chinese WHIFs !
Post by: RussC on March 31, 2012, 09:12:17 PM
Quote from: Supertom on March 31, 2012, 06:32:20 PM
Quote from: Stargazer2006 on March 31, 2012, 04:16:39 PM
Here is a set of excellent artwork by Chinese whiffer Zhang Yu Hui found on his Sina Blog

Hey Stargazer, nice find by the way.  The WHIFs, that is.

If you look very carefully at a good number of them (whif's) the artist has a deviantArt ID, but I can't get one screen where the whole thing is legible. He may have even more in a gallery there.
Title: Re: Chinese WHIFs !
Post by: MiB on April 01, 2012, 04:49:52 AM
Wow, is easy to become famous, here!
And it is equally easy to be misunderstood. If the H-10 was real, we should certainly worry about the expansionist ambitions of a nuclear superpower like china.
It is not racism, is a concern.

Reporting to 'admin does not scare me, nor any ban scares me. I worry your little mental flexibility and the will now accuse me.
Perhaps it is not correct to say that I do not like the chinese people, of course, but certainly I do not like their politics and I care about their progress in military technology  :dalek:

Notify me well, then, if that makes you feel more calm.
Title: Re: Chinese WHIFs !
Post by: Supertom on April 01, 2012, 07:00:21 AM
Wait, so your response is not to apologize, even to say that you did not mean it that way, but to insult Stargazer and keep on going with your statement?
Title: Re: Chinese WHIFs !
Post by: MiB on April 01, 2012, 07:15:34 AM
No. I do not want to insult anyone and I'm not racist. I'm just saying that China is militarily dangerous, in my opinion. Opinions.

For an apology, I can not apologize for my opinions. Anyway, at first I already wrote: "I'm sorry" is not it?
Title: Re: Chinese WHIFs !
Post by: Stargazer on April 01, 2012, 07:24:26 AM
Saying: "I'm worried about Chinese expansion," "I'm concerned about the Chinese military power," "I'm appaled by the growth of Chinese influence on world economy," or even "there are aspects of the Chinese culture and mentality that I really find hard to bear" are quite a different thing from the blunt "I don't like the Chinese." Instead of making an articulate statement about your feelings, you made a blunt racist statement for which you can't even see the need to apologize... and you even question my "mental flexibility"?!?
Title: Re: Chinese WHIFs !
Post by: MiB on April 01, 2012, 07:51:38 AM
Whatever you want   :bow:

Everything starts from the fact that I'm worried of H-10, I mistakenly believed that the real (and photos of real aircraft there are in this forum)
The military policy of China is often worrying, especially because they do not ever advertise their intentions and then you never know what they are preparing

But now I stop because I think I'm off-topic.
If you want to ban me, goodbye  :cheers:
Title: Re: Chinese WHIFs !
Post by: Stargazer on April 01, 2012, 09:43:25 AM
Sorry folks about the pics that went missing, they were showing yesterday...  :-\
However you can still visit the blog and find them there.

Quote from: RussC on March 31, 2012, 09:12:17 PM
If you look very carefully at a good number of them (whif's) the artist has a deviantArt ID, but I can't get one screen where the whole thing is legible. He may have even more in a gallery there.

Where on earth can you see a deviantART ID on any of these pics???  :blink: :blink: :blink:
Title: Re: Chinese WHIFs !
Post by: Captain Canada on April 01, 2012, 09:47:38 AM
Some cool stuff there. I really like the STORW SHADOW  :thumbsup:

The Attack Support AC is pretty coold too.

Some of the action shots are very evocative, like the drones buzzing the Japanese plane, and the airfield attack.

:cheers:

Thanks for sharing !
Title: Re: Chinese WHIFs !
Post by: perttime on April 01, 2012, 10:38:08 AM
The J-14 is cool. This is the way I've seen it before:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_j1ml1fHnXhQ%2FS6-7TRAta0I%2FAAAAAAAAAZ4%2FxrnfhA7vOOU%2Fs1600%2F1_J-14_hanger.jpg&hash=9f66cd864bc07b9eca989f12180485651b18f7a2)

There's a bigger, a bit different, picture at http://www.daily.pk/china%E2%80%99s-5th-generation-j-14-stealth-fighter-18207/
Title: Re: Chinese WHIFs !
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 01, 2012, 12:26:05 PM
Presumably there's some alphabetical logic in the Chinese designations, as bombers all seem to be 'H's and fighters all seem to be 'J's.

Could someone a) confirm this and b) explain what the letters mean please?
Title: Re: Chinese WHIFs !
Post by: Mr.Creak on April 01, 2012, 12:45:12 PM
A) Confirmed.
B) http://www.designation-systems.net/non-us/china.html
Title: Re: Chinese WHIFs !
Post by: perttime on April 01, 2012, 12:49:08 PM
Copied from the linked designations page:

In western transcription, the following type letters exist:

BA - ? ? ? (Drone)
CJ - Chuji Jiaolianji (Primary Trainer)
H - Hongzhaji (Bomber)
J - Jianjiji (Fighter)
JL - Jiaolianji (Trainer)
Q - Qiangjiji (Attack)
SH - Shuishang Hongzhaji (Maritime Bomber)
WZ - Wuren Zhencha (UAV)
X - Xiangji (Glider)
Y - Yunshuji (Transport)
Z - Zhishengji (VTOL/Helicopter)
The CJ- and JL-designated trainers apparently share the same numerical series.

Export versions of aircraft are often marketed with "westernized" prefixes, e.g. "F", "A" and "B" instead of "J", "Q" and "H", respectively.

Training, reconnaissance and other modifications of fighters and bombers a second prefix letter:

D - Dian (Electronic Warfare)
J - Jiaolianji (Trainer)
U - You (Tanker)
Z - Zhenchaji (Reconnaissance)

This results in the designation prefixes:

HD - Hongzhaji Dian (Bomber, modified for EW)
HJ - Hongzhaji Jiaolianji (Bomber Trainer)
HU - Hongzhaji You (Bomber, modified as tanker)
HZ - Hongzhaji Zhenchaji (Reconnaissance Bomber)
JJ - Jianjiji Jiaolianji (Fighter Trainer)
JZ - Jianjiji Zhenchaji (Reconnaissance Fighter)
QD - Qiangjiji Dian (Attack, modified for EW)

I wonder why they use "Western" characters for their designations. Better for exports?
Title: Re: Chinese WHIFs !
Post by: Mr.Creak on April 01, 2012, 12:54:57 PM
Quote from: perttime on April 01, 2012, 12:49:08 PMI wonder why they use "Western" characters for their designations. Better for exports?
Either that (English being a sort of de-facto international language, and all that) or to prevent foreigners getting tongue-tied/ mangling the language while trying to pronounce the Chinese!
Title: Re: Chinese WHIFs !
Post by: RussC on April 01, 2012, 01:04:44 PM
Quote from: Stargazer2006 on April 01, 2012, 09:43:25 AM
Sorry folks about the pics that went missing, they were showing yesterday...  :-\
However you can still visit the blog and find them there.

Quote from: RussC on March 31, 2012, 09:12:17 PM
If you look very carefully at a good number of them (whif's) the artist has a deviantArt ID, but I can't get one screen where the whole thing is legible. He may have even more in a gallery there.

Where on earth can you see a deviantART ID on any of these pics???  :blink: :blink: :blink:


(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftn3-1.deviantart.com%2Ffs19%2F300W%2Ff%2F2007%2F280%2Fe%2F4%2FGreen_girls2_by_huihui1979.jpg&hash=b4ab3ae7bee22a13294b76d57e378a9c1729de5c)

At the bottom - and while grabbing the image location, I get to see a legible version of the deviant ID -----------derp! I'm especially thick today I guess

He's got a average size gallery and has some of the mil artwork, including H-10, ships, and some traditional art and a few web comics.
Title: Re: Chinese WHIFs !
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 01, 2012, 01:05:46 PM
Brilliant!  :thumbsup:

Thanks so much, my question has only been up there for about 30 mins!
Title: Re: Chinese WHIFs !
Post by: NARSES2 on April 03, 2012, 06:17:40 AM
Some fantastic stuff there, thanks for posting  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Chinese WHIFs !
Post by: tahsin on April 13, 2012, 12:06:37 AM
Not many pictures here, the blog is unaccesible from Turkey as well. Any chance of uploading them again?
Title: Re: Chinese WHIFs !
Post by: MiB on April 13, 2012, 01:53:40 AM
Try www.hidemyass.com  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Chinese WHIFs !
Post by: tahsin on April 13, 2012, 05:02:02 AM
It doesn't work with the proxies as well, never minding the suggestion is also banned in Turkey for being a proxy. Thanks anyhow.