Been kicking around using a combination of Abrams, Challengers, and some other tanks and backdating them to WWI. Any ideas or thoughts on how to do that? Also have an old and busted M-48 and M-41 that need to be given new life
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add full side-skirts with rounded ends like the Ruski T-35 multi-turret tank. Make the turrets more square rather than sloped on the front with a shorter-barrel for the canon. Add side-sponsons with 6pdr or heavy mg guns. Crazy bright multi-colour WW1 paint-job !! :blink:
Save the M-41 for conversion to a modern Danish or Brazillian version -- they both look quite different (and neat!) with minimal changes ---- or send it to me ;D.
i like this idea! also multiple turrets like the russian t-28.
Massive rivet/bolt heads, wrap-around tracks, short-barreled main guns, lots of ball-mounted machine guns (with water-cooling jackets?) dotted around the place. Oh, and an unditching beam on the rear deck.
Quote from: pyro-manic on October 20, 2011, 02:28:25 PM
Massive rivet/bolt heads, wrap-around tracks, short-barreled main guns, lots of ball-mounted machine guns (with water-cooling jackets?) dotted around the place. Oh, and an unditching beam on the rear deck.
Dude you and I are on the exact same page! What I had in mind so far :thumbsup: Think big weld seams as well? does that make sense?
Not strictly based on an existing tank, but I know I'll have to revisit the idea of a badder T-28 concept again some time...... with a IS-3 main turret, two MG secondary turrets and all......
Welding is too modern, IMO. Great big rivets holding slabs of plate together - gives that lovely Victorian heavy industrial feel, like an old steam loco or ship. :thumbsup:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cmphoto/115182834/
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-12019531/stock-photo-surface-of-the-old-metal-tank-with-rivets.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28439790@N03/5130537723/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28439790@N03/5138554219/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28439790@N03/5139165910/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28439790@N03/5050818831/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28439790@N03/5050828569/
OK, I know things like the Char B1 above aren't WW1, but they have the kind of old-fashioned features I'm talking about. :) Plus I'm blatantly using that guy's Flickr album, because it's got loads of shots from Bovington, which is like tank heaven. :thumbsup: All credit is due to him, of course.
"Welding" as a method of fusing together metal parts has been around for millennia.
The gas, resistance and arc welding technologies all date from the late 19th century.
Turrets replaced by fixed multi-gun 'citadels' are another possibility, ditto replacing the suspension/tracks
with true Holt-Caterpillar style mechanisms ala the A7V.
To verify.
By "backdating", you mean as in the "Time warp" theme?
Not exactly straight-forward, but how about modifying the tracks so that they run around the top of the hull?
Replace the gun with one of those howitzers with a big recoil cylinder above the barrel.
An early Leo II would be ideal because of it's vertical turret front and sides. Just put lines of rivets down every corner.
Changing commander's cupolas for simple hatches.
Quote from: dragon on October 20, 2011, 10:46:14 PM
To verify.
By "backdating", you mean as in the "Time warp" theme?
Yep!
Thanks for the links Pyro! :thumbsup:
Weaver I was thinking that too about the leopard II, I have the more advanced version the 2A6, it looks a little too sleek, OTOH it does have a short barrel and lots of bolts :wacko:
I was thinking about adding screens to stop grenades from being throw on top, but I know that might interfere with turret operation... hey how about fixed turrets like Jagdtiger?
Ironically, the older tanks in your list, the M48 and the M41, are the least easy to backdate, becuase of their cast turrets: for the 1915-1930 look, you really need flat plates and rivets, which, ironically come back (well flat plates at least) with Chobham....
QuotePosted on: Today at 02:59:14 PM Posted by: ChernayaAkula
Changing commander's cupolas for simple hatches.
Or built-up flat-plate fixed cupolas. Another thing that has to go is the big gunner's sight.
Old-fashioned engine-dress would be good too: "beehive" air filters and a big external tubular silencer.
Be careful not to look like something from games workshop though:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440252a&prodId=prod770021a
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external rectangular fuel-tank low-down across the back plate.
Yes !! one (or two) of those BIG vintage silencers on the engine-deck !
Crew ?? must have big Germanic helmets (with "horns") & gas masks - otherwise how would they breath inside with those leaky exhaust systems ;D
Loving this :cheers:
This for the GB? Sounds terriffic! :wacko:
If you want to reflect the realities of early 20th century engineering, there's a few more changes you need to make. Back then, engines were much less powerful than now, so 60-ton tanks weren't feasible. Current tanks are also pretty big by 1900's standards.
- Less armor means more internal volume, so you can add more personnel, machine guns etc.
- Less weight means narrower tracks are possible