Can't believe there is no dedicated thread, so here you go. You know the drill - I'll kick off with this crude contraption:
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Other ideas might include a carrier based Il-2, a float plane Il-2, some reverse lend-lease IL-2s...
Regards,
Greg
Hey Greg, how about an ASR version of the IL-2? think that would work? just something i've wondered about.Dan
Off the bat, radial-engined version (ASh-82?), turret version (Defiant or Avenger?), Korean War markings, Turbo-prop version in Vietnam, Stuka-style gull wing.
How 'bout this?
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Three engines! :wub:
Whif porn!! ;D
tt43.
What about the Soviet's logical step of doing what they did with a modified Yak-9 and replacing its piston engine with a nose-mounted turbojet, which gave them the basic but workable Yak-15!!
Can you have a go at profiling this arrangement on a IL-2 Greg (GTX)?
M.A.D
I did a profile of a turbo-prop powered Il-10 back in the day.... although it was for Kenya, not Vietnam.
Regards,
Mav
I really like this a/c.....I had plans for one.....from 1946-8 era.....middle east....although a reverse lend-lease naval torpedo bomber sounds great...... ;D
For the bargin hunter, Zvezda has a new Il-2 in 1/144
http://modelingmadness.com/scotts/allies/previews/zvezda/6125.htm
I like what been up here so far-though I wonder if a turret version wouldn't sport something from a T-26 ( in'41 )
or T-70 ( by '43 )...
Did you know the real turreted Il-2 version?
Did you also know the real radial version, powered by M-82 (in 1941) and M-82IR (1942)?
It was planned to production under the name Il-4. Only when it was cancelled, the name was re-allocated to the old DB-3F bomber.
Wow, thanks RS72. I knew about the M-82-powered version but not the turreted one. So, puzzling through the Russian caption ... that is the same turret as on the IL-4 and it was designated YTK-4?
Didn't know about the radial engined version. Thanks :thumbsup:
Quote from: apophenia on March 13, 2011, 04:41:11 PM
So, puzzling through the Russian caption ... that is the same turret as on the IL-4 and it was designated YTK-4?
The turret was designated
UTK-1 (
Universal'naya
Turel' pod
Krupnokalibernyi pulemet - Universal turret for large-caliber machine gun). It was designed by Ivan Shebanov in 1942 and was armed with 12.7-mm UBT machine gun. Yes, you are right: this turret was used on Il-4 bombers (since 1942 spring), as well as on the Li-2s and re-armed Soviet Bostons. Before UTK-1 appeared, these aircraft carried Mozharovsky/Venevidov MV-3 turret; it looked quite similar but was armed only with 7.62-mm ShKAS.
Two Il-2s were equipped with UTK-1 turrets in November 1942 at the 15th Air Army repair shop, during the reconditioning repair. After tests they were sent to the frontline regiment.
Another similar turreted Il-2 appeared in May 1943, this time not as repair conversion but as "official" modification designed at Zavod No.18. It passed through state tests in June 1943. There is a little mystery about this aircraft: according to existing sources, it carried
MV-3 turret but with
UBT machine gun, not ShKAS! :unsure: Unfortunately no photos, only a sideview.
Any turret Il-2 version didn't achieve mass production, because large ball-like turret hood degraded aerodynamics too much and the flight performances decreased instantly with it.
Some more Il-2 variations.
The first two drawings are a series of profiles of Il-2 variants from Yefim Gordon's original Crowood book on the Il-2 and Il-10. These include the Il-2M-71 radial engined single seater. However, unlike the two seat Il-2M-82, the M-71 powered version of the single seat Il-2 remained a project and was never built. Also of note is the two seat Il-2bis with a shorter, fully enclosed and armoured gunners' position. This was successful but remained a prototype because it needed more structural changes than the eventual two seat version.
The third drawing is another profile of the radial engined single seater and the fourth is of the mid-engined Ilyushin Msh AM-38 project. Although this 1942 project looks like a mid-engined Il-2, the wing planform was quite different. However, in Whiff-World, the Msh fuselage married to the swept back wings of the later Il-2 two seater could look quite convincing.
Yet more on the Il-2.
The first drawing shows a field converted Il-2 which has a turret ring for a rear gunner, but no actual turret. The second drawing and the following photo show a single seat Il-2 fitted with very large fairings for ShFK-37 anti-tank cannons. Approximately eight of these were built and sent for service trials. However the 37mm cannons were prone to jamming and this version was not put into production.
The last drawing shows another variation on the radial and turret theme. This was the original proposal for the Il-8M-71 (Bsh M-71). The Il-8 was eventually built with an in-line AM-42 engine. According to the data in Yefim Gordon's Midland Counties "Ilyushin Il-2/Il-10" (highly recommended) the Il-8 AM-42 had the rear fuselage lengthened by 1.25 metres in comparison to the Il-2 and, while the wing span was the same, the wing was more evenly tapered with squarer tips and a small increase in area. (Confusingly there was also a subsequent version of the Il-8 which looked more like an Il-10 with a four bladed propeller).
ok this was just a paint job.....................................
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An IL 2 serving with the Soviet group of forces-Great Britain. Some ware in southern England June 6th 1944.
The idea behind this one was Stalin wanted a piece of the action on the western front so offered the western allies the use of a shock army and supporting air power. Soviet troops go ashore in Normandy on the 6th june on what IRL was Sword beach, renamed here as Lenin beach. Its armed with American bombs and British RP's.
Quote from: apophenia on February 27, 2011, 07:04:35 PM
[Here's the Defiant-turreted Stormovik A.Mk.IB as operated over Dunkirk by 264 Sqn RAF and a mid-engined V-VS Shturmovik (inspired by the Airacobra?).
Well, I've been thinking of Defiantising an Il-2 with a Napier Sabre on the front end for a while. The Sabre has now been used on my '46 GB Firefly III but I may find one spare in the near future (courtesy of another project). It'll go on the Il-2, but as part of a more radical makeover. It's only in th elast week (and following some sly photocopying at work) that it has struck me how close dimensionally a Sabre Il-2 would be to a Boulton-Paul P96, so here's a long term project about to kick off!
;D ;D
Quote from: Martin H on March 15, 2011, 03:20:51 PM
An IL 2 serving with the Soviet group of forces-Great Britain. Some ware in southern England June 6th 1944.
The idea behind this one was Stalin wanted a piece of the action on the western front so offered the western allies the use of a shock army and supporting air power. Soviet troops go ashore in Normandy on the 6th june on what IRL was Sword beach, renamed here as Lenin beach. Its armed with American bombs and British RP's.
I'm surprised they weren't equipped with Skis... ;)
(wonder who'll get the obscure allusion? :lol: )
Not a whiff, but wow!
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More (http://www.ratomodeling.com/gallery/ramos/ramos.html)
Regards,
Greg
Crossing La-5 and Il-2
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