....or should that be Focke Fire....??? :wacko:
And time for the madness to start again. Heres a quick proof of concept shot of my next build, the SpitWulf.
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that could end up looking very interesting :thumbsup:
Neat idea...looks good already ! Glad you called it Spitwulf instead of Wulf Spitzer. Unless you wanted it to hide under your desk....
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Had one of these on the go for a while. ;D
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,27228.0/highlight,shrike.html
Quote from: pyro-manic on February 15, 2011, 04:24:07 AM
Had one of these on the go for a while. ;D
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,27228.0/highlight,shrike.html
Nuts... :banghead: Oh well, I suppose there will always be crossovers in this kind of model building. I was thinking along the lines that the Germans wanted to improve the speed and turning circle of the 190 and used a captured Spit`s wings for experimentation. I noticed that a C wing was used in your idea while I have an A wing and I`m also using the Spit`s horizontal tail pieces so it might look a little different? Did you ever finish that build by the way?
Great potential here.....might even be able to make the Wurger look a bit less business like......dare I say beautiful......????
Quote from: tc2324 on February 15, 2011, 05:36:00 AM
Quote from: pyro-manic on February 15, 2011, 04:24:07 AM
Had one of these on the go for a while. ;D
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,27228.0/highlight,shrike.html
Nuts... :banghead: Oh well, I suppose there will always be crossovers in this kind of model building. I was thinking along the lines that the Germans wanted to improve the speed and turning circle of the 190 and used a captured Spit`s wings for experimentation. I noticed that a C wing was used in your idea while I have an A wing and I`m also using the Spit`s horizontal tail pieces so it might look a little different? Did you ever finish that build by the way?
It happens! Build whifs long enough and ideas will cross, especially with pretty airplanes like the spit and FW. FW wings on the spit would be cool...
Quote from: tc2324 on February 15, 2011, 05:36:00 AM
Nuts... :banghead: Oh well, I suppose there will always be crossovers in this kind of model building. I was thinking along the lines that the Germans wanted to improve the speed and turning circle of the 190 and used a captured Spit`s wings for experimentation. I noticed that a C wing was used in your idea while I have an A wing and I`m also using the Spit`s horizontal tail pieces so it might look a little different? Did you ever finish that build by the way?
It's pretty much finished bar paint - I have to go over the PSR on the wing joins again, as it's not quite right. It does look pretty cool, especially with the Spit's prop and the 190's spinner and cooling fan. I'll get a photo of it as it is at the moment to show you. I wanted to do Spit tails, but I didn't have any spare (the wing was a leftover from the Airfix Spit Vc). I'd also thought about altering the canopy, to give it a bulged Malcolm hood instead of the 190's flat one. Not sure I'm capable of that though - clear plastic is always brittle, and I'm worried I'd break it.
Anyway, I look forward to seeing this finished - with my very slow pace and stack of in-progress builds, and your super-fast pace, yours is bound to be finished first! Plus mine will be British, so they'll look very different anyway. :)
Are you sure that's not a Focke-Fire? ;D
Great idea, for a long time I have toyed with the idea of putting Ta 152 wings on a late model Spitire (the one with the five blade prop).
Matrixone
Interesting idea - it would look quite similar to the Spiteful, but would confuse people. :thumbsup:
Haven`t had the the time to get into this over the last couple of days but have managed to carefully remove and trim the bits I didn`t need so that I can obtain a reasonable fit.
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Of course I have kept the trimmed pieces as they will be handy for the SpitWulf`s brother, the FockeFire........ :wacko: :lol:
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Completed most of the major `surgery` today on the SpitWulf and FockeFire so waiting for both to `set` overnight prior to trimming, filling the gaps and shaping to fit.
Going to revisit the wing of the SpitWulf as well because I`ve fitted the radiator underneath I am pretty sure it wouldn`t need it in this guise. :-\
SpitWulf
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FockeFire
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This will be AWESOME :wub:
Quote from: sotoolslinger on February 19, 2011, 07:16:34 PM
This will be AWESOME :wub:
Yeah, what he said!!! :cheers:
So what kind of colors are we going to see or is that still classified?
Quote from: Cliffy B on February 19, 2011, 07:38:37 PM
Quote from: sotoolslinger on February 19, 2011, 07:16:34 PM
This will be AWESOME :wub:
Yeah, what he said!!! :cheers:
So what kind of colors are we going to see or is that still classified?
Cheers guys, I hope it all works out... :wacko:
Scheme is still classified at this time Cliffy....., (thats code for `I`m still thinking about it..`) :lol:
Quote from: tc2324 on February 20, 2011, 06:19:55 AM
Quote from: Cliffy B on February 19, 2011, 07:38:37 PM
Quote from: sotoolslinger on February 19, 2011, 07:16:34 PM
This will be AWESOME :wub:
Yeah, what he said!!! :cheers:
So what kind of colors are we going to see or is that still classified?
Cheers guys, I hope it all works out... :wacko:
Scheme is still classified at this time Cliffy....., (thats code for `I`m still thinking about it..`) :lol:
Lovely work so far. May I suggest Turkish markings? During the course of the war they operated both types.
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~Steve
Quote from: Chap on February 20, 2011, 06:59:50 AM
Quote from: tc2324 on February 20, 2011, 06:19:55 AM
Quote from: Cliffy B on February 19, 2011, 07:38:37 PM
Quote from: sotoolslinger on February 19, 2011, 07:16:34 PM
This will be AWESOME :wub:
Yeah, what he said!!! :cheers:
So what kind of colors are we going to see or is that still classified?
Cheers guys, I hope it all works out... :wacko:
Scheme is still classified at this time Cliffy....., (thats code for `I`m still thinking about it..`) :lol:
Lovely work so far. May I suggest Turkish markings? During the course of the war they operated both types.
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~Steve
Funny you should say that. Was thinking of Swiss and Turkish markings in my backstory. :thumbsup: :wacko:
After filling, applying some shape so it all blends together and then sanding it all down, I find it a good idea to give a quick spray of primer so you can spot any problem areas easier. Heres where I`m at......, :wacko:
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Nice on both! :thumbsup:
They fit together remarkably well
Gondor
Cheers guys. The fit is pretty good. There are a couple of `small` issues, but these can be fixed pretty easily.
By the way, I`m trying to locate Would War Two colour schemes and marking for the Turkish and Swiss airforces, so if anyone can help put me in the right direction that would e great. :thumbsup:
They're both amazing! :thumbsup:
Your brain won't link either shape you see with any known type at first, it takes a long time for the various bits to sink in.
Quote from: PR19_Kit on February 22, 2011, 07:01:20 AM
They're both amazing! :thumbsup:
Your brain won't link either shape you see with any known type at first, it takes a long time for the various bits to sink in.
Cheers Kit. I`m glad they come across as some kind of `unknown` types. :thumbsup:
Added some `warpaint` tonight..... :-\ :wacko:
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I like the FockeFire, but I may redo the SpitWulf as I`m not entirely happy with it. Although it may just need a third coat... :rolleyes:
I was right :wub: :thumbsup: :bow:.
It is difficult to figure out what mix of parts make up the whole :thumbsup:
Most Excellent.
very nice!! :thumbsup: You are a machine!! :o
:cheers: guys.
Today I put the SpitWulf and FockeFire into their respective colours. The SpitWulf going to the Regia Aeronautica Italiana and the FockeFire to the Swiss Air Force. Just need to do a bit of weathering then it`s onto the diorama pictures and backstory. ;)
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Oh yes. Very, very nice indeed. :thumbsup: Now to get mine finished!
Backstory and piccies for you to enjoy..... :wacko:
With some countries struggling to keep up with the fast pace of fighter design during World War Two, it was inevitable that hybrid aircraft would be developed for test evaluation purposes using the best qualities of the more modern machines that existed. Two such examples have recently come to light with one coming from a neutral country, and surprisingly, the other coming from a combatant in that same conflict.
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The first hybrid type comes from Switzerland. With combat taking place around it`s borders the Swiss purchased a number of aircraft types including German Bf 109, Italian Macchi MC.202, and French Morane D-3800 fighters. After the combat that took place in June 1940 when in six days of aerial battles, eleven German aircraft were downed, with a loss of two Swiss aircraft and three airmen killed, the Swiss noticed a deficiency within their inventory and realised, despite their success, that they could not sustain a continued air assault by the Germans. Many designs were looked at but it wasn`t until 1943 when a Focke Wulf 190 and Spitfire Vb crash landed within days of each other inside the Swiss border that a plan was formulated to blend the two together. Only three poor quality pictures exist of the hybrid and records of it`s performance during the testing stage have long been lost. It is safe to say however, that as this type did not go into production, problems were encountered with the type and no doubt spares were hard to come by as well as the reverse engineering issues.
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The second hybrid example comes from Italy. At the start of the war Italy`s air arm was outdated and verging on obsolete. Many advanced types were still either on the drawing board or at least a year away from first flight. Fiat started to look at Allied and Axis aircraft types and with various crashed Spitfires littering the various battlefields took an interest in the wing shape and design. At about the same time Hitler `gifted` a FW 190 to Italy for evaluation. With the more powerful BMW 801 engine and and easy cockpit layout it wasn`t long before Italy were ready to fly their hybrid. Unfortunately only one test flight was carried out before the aircraft crashed on it`s second flight killing the test pilot in the process. In the following investigation it was announced that the wing had separated from the fuselage and the project was quickly shelved soon after. The only photos known to exist were taken in the morning prior to that fateful second test flight.
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Nice build there TC!
But, I know this is a bit late now, as soon as the Spitwulf's nose goes down (tail up), the prop tips will hit the 'deck'and damage the engine. Sorry, but it's just the angle the second B&W photo is taken at
Once again though, nice builds!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: hurricanemk1c on February 25, 2011, 07:51:28 AM
Nice build there TC!
But, I know this is a bit late now, as soon as the Spitwulf's nose goes down (tail up), the prop tips will hit the 'deck'and damage the engine. Sorry, but it's just the angle the second B&W photo is taken at
Once again though, nice builds!
I know exactly what you mean. Have to say, with a bit more hindsight, I would of put a bit more `leg` on the SpitWulf. :thumbsup:
oh... I thought these were funny dreams of nowadays' modelers... then your very old photographs proved this was absolutely TRUTH, HISTORY. I am a little sad, as I prefer dreams, but it is wonderful anyway to see those top-secret marvels coming out of the Unknown ;)