Well, how do you give a vehicle a hang-over ? :unsure: Run it on alcohol fuel of course ;D
But no, that's not what I meant -- what I meant to say was "vehicles with an over-hang" -- quite a few of the Thunderbirds special vehicles seem to have impractical over-hangs at the front -- just to make them look cool -- what can you come up with ?
Below are my doodlings while thinking of something else ....
Real life examples:
The French St.Chamond tank perfectly illustrates why overhangs are a bad idea:
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However, that didn't stop the Soviets from having one on their 2S7 Pion SPG. However, it's tracks were intended to confer mobility outside of battle, so it's limitations in trench and obstacle crossing was deemed acceptable:
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Another real one ....
Not another amphibious Tank but a Jungle-cutter -- the front section is an armoured "plough" designed to push thru the small trees & vegetation. It doesn't seem to have been much good but ended up at the US testing grounds, Aberdeen USA, in 1946 where it was photographed.
Quote from: raafif on January 23, 2011, 08:19:12 PM
Another real one ....
Not another amphibious Tank but a Jungle-cutter -- the front section is an armoured "plough" designed to push thru the small trees & vegetation. It doesn't seem to have been much good but ended up at the US testing grounds, Aberdeen USA, in 1946 where it was photographed.
Actually, they worked reasonably well and several were captured on the north coast of New Guinea by Australian forces. The Japanese used them for clearing airstrips, rather than combat operations.
Real life Egyptian Kader Fahd:
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You get a bit of over hang with some military trucks such as the HEMTT, MAN HX/SX, Faun Elefant, some Airport fire tenders too, but probably not enough for this thread.
Aircraft tractors fit in. At the local docks, they have some specialist vehicles for transporting containers, when unladen they have a very nose down stance. Can't think what they call them though.
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nice ones !
a few more ...
the dumper was a short-printed version of art done for the box-side of an ERTL kit.
Quote from: Mossie on January 24, 2011, 03:28:59 AM
At the local docks, they have some specialist vehicles for transporting containers, when unladen they have a very nose down stance. Can't think what they call them though.
You mean a terminal tractor?
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That could be it. The ones I remember had more of an appearance of an aircraft tractor, although I'm going by memory. A quick look on the web shows some that are similar to how I remember. I might stop by & have a look in the next few days.
self-explanatory ...
Over hang
Here's a case of the overhang being due to the engine's position: the 1926 Renault Type PO tractor.
More of the Renault PO...
In 1933, Renault reiterated the very same configuration with the Type VI tractor:
And more of the Renault VI...
This one is a bit more subtle - the M114 Recce vehicle. The overhang at the front meant it couldn't climb easily out of rice paddies and over the bunds (mounds) which seperated them. The result was that the much larger M113 was a more maneouvrable vehicle and saw considerably more use in Vietnam. The M114 hung on in the USA and Europe for a while long but it was only about 10 years after its introduction before it was withdrawn from service.
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Any modern farm tractor (the big ones) have serious overhang. Around where I am, they trundle up and down road past our place regularly, right now they're being used to move snow so the energy companies can get to do their well inspections
How about the Raumer-S?
http://germansecretweaponsnazi.devhub.com/blog/523529-krupp-raumer-s-selbstrantrieb-schwerer-minerumfahrzeug/
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there was a "double-tractor" -- two farm tractors (wheeled) joined together with the second engine waaaay out front of the front wheels -- must find a pic of it (think it's on my hard-drive somewhere).
Everyone's fav - the Stolly!
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Level 1 Uparmored FMTVs
here's an articulated aircraft-tug of the Russian AF ... unfortunately the front of the cab is cut off the photo.
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a yard-tug for semi-trailers shipped by rail ...
& a walking truck with front engine-overhang -- wouldn't this vehicle make a good steam-punk tank ??
and a 5-minute quickie from my paint-box ...
Quote from: raafif on January 27, 2011, 08:58:07 PM
and a 5-minute quickie from my paint-box ...
Lotsa fun!! :thumbsup:
Quote from: scooter on January 26, 2011, 04:48:36 PM
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Level 1 Uparmored FMTVs
I saw one of these on the road last week. Our GTS division does build some ugly, TIE Fighter based trucks.
Quick'n'dirty of something I've been considering as a Patchwork World artillery tractor:
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It probably wouldn't use the M3 track system as shown though, since the whole reason the bodies will be spare is because the tracks are being nicked for other things.
In the 1960s, Russia started producing the "ZIL-" series of amphibian cranes. Quite unique vehicles that have a remarkable overhang (due to the fact that the frame was also a boat hull). Here is a series of photos taken from this all-Russian language page:
http://www.spectechnika.com/ru/filling/y-2010.n-3.oid-129.html (http://www.spectechnika.com/ru/filling/y-2010.n-3.oid-129.html)
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What do you think? They're pretty cool eh? :thumbsup:
Yep I am liking those, some of those in 1/72nd scale would be nice.
Chris.
They were designed to support the space program, allowing recovery of Cosmonauts and space capsules no matter what the terrain was - important in Central Asia.
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Ah, so that's how they transported that Screwy Vehicle over distances !
Those Zil-4906s are excellent!
Here's Hans Rosloot's page on them from his ampihibians site:
http://www.amphibiousvehicle.net/amphi/Z/zilspecial/zil4906.html
I'm not 100% sure, but I think the same platform is used for the 9K33-Osa (SA-8 Gekko) carrier vehicle:
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Quote from: Weaver on January 29, 2011, 01:13:28 AM
Quick'n'dirty of something I've been considering as a Patchwork World artillery tractor:
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It probably wouldn't use the M3 track system as shown though, since the whole reason the bodies will be spare is because the tracks are being nicked for other things.
Nice one, weaver :thumbsup:
should probably use surplus M3 Stuart suspension like the Mack T5 ?
Quote from: Weaver on January 30, 2011, 03:07:13 AM
Here's Hans Rosloot's page on them from his ampihibians site:
http://www.amphibiousvehicle.net/amphi/Z/zilspecial/zil4906.html
Thanks for the great link. I just LOOOOVE that vehicle!!! :wub: :wub: :wub:
Quote from: raafif on January 30, 2011, 12:34:50 PM
Quote from: Weaver on January 29, 2011, 01:13:28 AM
Quick'n'dirty of something I've been considering as a Patchwork World artillery tractor:
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It probably wouldn't use the M3 track system as shown though, since the whole reason the bodies will be spare is because the tracks are being nicked for other things.
Nice one, weaver :thumbsup:
should probably use surplus M3 Stuart suspension like the Mack T5 ?
WOW - thanks - just goes to show there's nothing new under the sun, eh?
I do actually have a Stuart, though I'm not sure I want to do that with it. What I am considering is converting a Hanomag to 6x6, so that'd leave me two spare track systems...
Quote from: Stargazer2006 on January 30, 2011, 12:37:33 PM
Quote from: Weaver on January 30, 2011, 03:07:13 AM
Here's Hans Rosloot's page on them from his ampihibians site:
http://www.amphibiousvehicle.net/amphi/Z/zilspecial/zil4906.html
Thanks for the great link. I just LOOOOVE that vehicle!!! :wub: :wub: :wub:
You're welcome - that whole site's a goldmine.