Wikipedia claims there to be a French upgrade using the turret of the Panhard AML 90.
For TOW-armed Greyhound...... I'm kind of thinking a larger turret that, in addition to offering the TOW armament of the NAPCO modification, also have space for a gun firing a more potent HE shell......
For customers with Russian-made AFVs, could the M8 have taken a salvaged BMP-1 turret?
I feel that the M8 and M20 have a BRDM-2 look to them...... which in turn makes me feel tempted to imagine them armed with equipments such as surface-to-air missiles or radar command post...... or GROM-1 turret...... that can be mounted onto BRDM-2.
They make a nice sci-fi hovertank too. Here's one I made earlier... like 20 years earlier:
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The M-20 body is white metal in about 20mm scale. I abandoned it because I realised I'd make the hover skirt too small, and it's kicked around the house since, the missing bits being long gone, unfortunately.
Sci-fi aside, this shows how you could adapt the M-20 to a HOT Mephisto or BRDM-2/Sagger type system.
Quote from: salt6 on October 26, 2008, 06:54:53 AMI think a better proposition would be to install power traverse and a 25mm chain gun. Remember the original turret is relatively light for the vehicle.
Excellent suggestion and one that might solve all of the problems in regards to weight and space. The Tamiya HMMWV that has the 25mm Bushmaster and 7.62mm chain gun remote weapon system might be the ultimate solution to an improved M8 or M20. Sad that Tamiya has discontinue that kit as it would be perfect for this conversion. You could even use the roof section from the HMMWV and cut it to fit over the raised compartment on the M20 to allow the remote weapon station to sit a little higher.
I believe it was/is Chile that mounted a quad .50 AA mount that was used on the M16 half track
Quote from: General Zod on October 26, 2008, 03:08:14 PMI believe it was/is Chile that mounted a quad .50 AA mount that was used on the M16 half track
The Quad .50" mount sits rather high which is good for an air defense weapon but what about mounting the twin .50" tub from a PBR on the M8 or M20? The attached image shows what I am referring to. One of the machine guns could be swapped out for a Mk 19 40mm weapon so you could have two capabilities on the same gun mount. In real life there were test vehicles built on the M5 Stuart hull that were armed with a Mk 17 gun mount and 2 X .50" machine guns (http://www.jedsite.info/tanks-mike/mike-number-us/m005_light_series/mk17/mk17-intro.html)(same gun mount used on the PT Boats).
Quote from: General Zod on October 26, 2008, 03:08:14 PM
I believe it was/is Chile that mounted a quad .50 AA mount that was used on the M16 half track
The M16 Multiple Gun Motor Carriage was the M2/M3 halftrack with the Quad .50 Maxxson turret.
It was a standard bit of WWII US Army kit with over 3400 of the various types being built and issued for divisional AA defense.
Jon
The Jed Site (http://www.jedsite.info/content/jed1.html) page for the M8 (G136) and M20 (G176) series armored cars (http://www.jedsite.info/afv-golf/golf/greyhound_series/greyhound-series.html) lists the following known variants:
- Greyhound I - M8 in service with the British and Commonwealth Forces.
- Greyhound II - M20 in service with the British and Commonwealth Forces.
- M8 - Original production vehicle armed with 37mm gun.
- M8 TOW - Columbian modification fitted with TOW ATGM system (by NAPCO) (http://www.jedsite.info/afv-golf/golf/greyhound_series/m8-tow/m8tow-intro.html)
- M8 with turret replaced by quad 50cal mount. (http://www.jedsite.info/afv-golf/golf/greyhound_series/m8-aa/m8aa-intro.html)
- M8 [Mexico - Variant 1] - Short-barrel 20mm cannon and 210hp 6V-53 diesel engine. (http://www.jedsite.info/afv-golf/golf/greyhound_series/m8v1/m8v1-intro.html)
- M8 [Mexico - Variant 2] - 60mm mortar and 210hp 6V-53 diesel engine.
- M8 [Mexico - Variant 3] - MG and 210hp 6V-53 diesel engine.
- M8 [Mexico - Variant 4] - New long barrel GIAT 20mm cannon. (http://www.jedsite.info/afv-golf/golf/greyhound_series/m8v4/m8v4-intro.html)
- M20 [Circular Gun mount]
- M20 [Square gun mount]
- T26
- T22
- T22E1
- T22E2
T69 - Prototype anti-aircraft version,
*the HTML links in the list go directly to the page that has an image of the vehicle.
If Mexico can upgrade the M8 with a 20mm GIAT Cannon, I would expect the 25mm Bushmaster in the remote operated roof mount on the M1025 HMMWV would work quite well.
;D
Now this is a topic near and dear to my heart!
First off, there have been a number of real modifications to the M-8/M-20 over the years: the most notable being the Napco TOW system for the M-8 as used by Columbia. These retained the turret, but deleted the 37MM gun (because no one was making ammunition for it and, in any case, it was worth less than a pop gun against any modern armor). The T-69 was a Korean War era effort to mount the Maxson turret on the M-8/M-20 hull, but over taxed the suspension and never entered production. There is also a Bosnian varaiant mounting a BRDM turret on the M-8 hull that saw some action during the war there.
So much for historical work. Now if we want to talk what ifs, the sky's the limit. A selection of possible upgrades follows: (a) An M-8 with a closed turret mounting either theAmerican 37MM or the British 2 pounder (40MM ) gun. American Mech Cavalrymen requested a closed turret, but never got one. (b) M-8 with the turret of the M-5 Stuart light tank. (c) Up-armed with the 57MM (6 pounder) gun in a lengthened (but still opene topped) turret. (d) 57 or 75MM RCLs in the standard M-8 turret. Note: some units mounted RCLs on M-20s during the Korean War. (e) M-8 Greyhound with the turret of the M-8 howitzer motor carriage (the "Scott", itself based on the M-5 Stuart) and a short 75MM gun.
This is my short list. I've been working on a number of other upgrades, mostly mixing Roco 1/87 scale M-8 hulls with turrets and weapons from DLD Productions 15MM lines. Details and photos to follow!
Ta for now!
Wikipedia mentioned an upgrade that involves the use turret turret from their AML-90 armoured car.
I kinda like the 60mm breech-loading mortar turret of the H60 variants as well......
A Chaffee turret was added to other US wheeled AFV. What if to a M-8?
What if a M-20 with a closed cabin? Kinda VIP version. :o
Quote from: ysi_maniac on July 13, 2009, 08:21:17 AMWhat if a M-20 with a closed cabin? Kinda VIP version. :o
Turn it into an armoured limousine for the Pope in Vatican markings.
Found this cool Greyhound mod earlier
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Quote from: Aircav on July 13, 2009, 12:44:10 PM
Found this cool Greyhound mod earlier
Great find! Shows the Greyhound Mod very clearly. :thumbsup:
Was any mention made on how the quad MG turret affected the handling of the vehicle? (The resulting vehicle looks taller than the stock Greyhound...... correct me if I'm wrong.)
There was only the photo, no text, heres another I found
Quote from: dy031101 on July 13, 2009, 12:53:29 PM
Quote from: Aircav on July 13, 2009, 12:44:10 PM
Found this cool Greyhound mod earlier
Great find! Shows the Greyhound Mod very clearly. :thumbsup:
Was any mention made on how the quad MG turret affected the handling of the vehicle? (The resulting vehicle looks taller than the stock Greyhound...... correct me if I'm wrong.)
It is taller, but then that quad MG turret isn't exactly heavily armoured, so the weight difference might not be all that much. the concern I'd have with fitting it on an armoured car hull rather than an APC is can the vehicle carry enough reload ammo, and if it can, can it be easily extracted from the depths of the hull?
You could fairly easily produce a whiff version of this vehicle: the Israelis replaced the quad .50s on their turrets with twin 20mm Hispano (or were they US Mk.12s?) aircraft cannon, complete with a length of steel tube to support the barrel, and they also supply South/Central America quite a lot. You could do this in 1/72nd with a pair of aftermarket Hispanos, and maybe a pair of Stingers for good measure.... :wub:
An even more radical proposal might be a pair of Russian Zu-23s (ACE do a kit) and SA-7s..
Quote from: ranger6 on November 03, 2008, 09:35:32 AM
So much for historical work. Now if we want to talk what ifs, the sky's the limit. A selection of possible upgrades follows: (a) An M-8 with a closed turret mounting either theAmerican 37MM or the British 2 pounder (40MM ) gun. American Mech Cavalrymen requested a closed turret, but never got one.
Just a thought - how about a splinter shield on struts raised above the turret rim in the manner of some of the US tank destroyers? That would give overhead cover but still have greater FOV and situational awareness than a closed-up tank turret, and wouldn't need a fancy and expensive collection of hatches, periscopes etc....
Quote from: Weaver on July 13, 2009, 08:35:11 PM
You could fairly easily produce a whiff version of this vehicle: the Israelis replaced the quad .50s on their turrets with twin 20mm Hispano (or were they US Mk.12s?) aircraft cannon, complete with a length of steel tube to support the barrel, and they also supply South/Central America quite a lot. You could do this in 1/72nd with a pair of aftermarket Hispanos, and maybe a pair of Stingers for good measure.... :wub:
Can I put the turret taken from the M163?
^^^^^
I would say yes. In fact, Vulcan gatling gun was installed in a Cadillac Comando.
Either that or the Taiwanese T82, which is a twin mounting for their updated version of Pontiac M39 cannons.
But you know, the Vulcan cannon is attractive even just by the sound of it if ammo storage can be worked out...... and then take it further by adding Stinger missiles like the Israeli Machbet...... ;D
Hope it won't be too heavy.
T69 multiple gun motor carriage AA variant.
After testing the Antiaircraft Artillery Board found the T69 inferior to the existing M16 and M17
vehicles in weight carrying capacity, space limitations, mobility and fire dispersion. Project canceled
March 1944.
The M8 was the production standardized Ford T22E2, a modified T22, they also built the four-wheel T22E1.
Studebaker and Fargo (Dodge) also built prototypes designated T21(originally T43) and T23/T23E1
(six-wheel/four-wheel) respectively.
The vehicle project itself originated in July 1941as a light self-propelled gun carriage carrying the 37mm AT gun
for Tank Destroyer Command and the basic design was to be adaptable to a multiple .50 mount, a dual 20mm
mount, or an 81mm mortar and to be adaptable as a cargo carrier. Vehicle designation was changed to light armored
car on 12 March 1942.
Jon
Upgunned Greyhound with 75mm or, more plausible, 57mm
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Shorter M-20. ;D
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I can see that in British or Commonwealth markings for some reason ? Nice :thumbsup:
M20 and Sdkfz234
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Rather than duplicate a thread I've just found this idea (apologies if it's old news). (https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.AXlohKdnaZ8t2ugi-S99-QHaGF&pid=Api)
Seems like a pretty good idea to me.
I love proper windows in AFVs :smiley: ;)
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T-34 on wheels and heavy M20
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What can I do with a Willys Jeep at 1/35 and a M20 at 1/56?
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Top row originals, bottom row my creations.
'Waay back in the dark ages of t'web, someone had chopped an M8 down into a 4-wheeler and stuck the commander's sub-turret from an M-48 onto it, I think mounting a co-ax energy weapon alongside the .50.
There was another smaller remote turret over one of the Driver's hatch positions - very much like a mini-Aliens APC, because it was supposed to be from that universe!
They called it a FAR-V, which IIRC stood for Fast Attack Recon Vehicle.
He'd also changed the wheels for smaller Humvee units, put side doors in place of the old storage lockers, and added a slew of detail bits from elsewhere.
Very cool, but it's long gone, unfortunately. Or at least my giggle-fu has come up empty.
Different variants depending on which vehicle derive from. Top from M20 and bottom from M8.
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Armed with a 30mm gun
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