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Title: 'Wermacht '46' or "Heeres'46"
Post by: rickshaw on September 09, 2010, 03:37:23 AM
Quote from: TsrJoe on September 09, 2010, 01:40:03 AM
'Wermacht '46' reference material ...

Shouldn't that strictly speaking be "Heeres'46"?
Title: 'Wermacht '46' or "Heeres'46"
Post by: TsrJoe on September 09, 2010, 05:00:16 AM
ah yip your right i didnt think to check, 'wermacht' being all 3 armed services, my excuse being this is the term used on various armour forums re the subject  :banghead:
Title: 'Wermacht '46' or "Heeres'46"
Post by: rickshaw on September 09, 2010, 05:41:32 AM
Quote from: TsrJoe on September 09, 2010, 05:00:16 AM
ah yip your right i didnt think to check, 'wermacht' being all 3 armed services, my excuse being this is the term used on various armour forums re the subject  :banghead:

I blame Hollywood.    :lol: :lol:
Title: 'Wermacht '46' or "Heeres'46"
Post by: ysi_maniac on September 09, 2010, 05:49:02 AM
Heer would not include Waffen SS and Volkssturm.
What about Panzer '46?
Title: 'Wermacht '46' or "Heeres'46"
Post by: rickshaw on September 09, 2010, 06:36:18 AM
Quote from: ysi_maniac on September 09, 2010, 05:49:02 AM
Heer would not include Waffen SS and Volkssturm.
What about Panzer '46?

Heere I think did include Volksturm.  You're right it doesn't include the SS.   Panzer '46 is closest I think.
Title: 'Wermacht '46' or "Heeres'46"
Post by: NARSES2 on September 09, 2010, 08:54:32 AM
Quote from: rickshaw on September 09, 2010, 06:36:18 AM
Quote from: ysi_maniac on September 09, 2010, 05:49:02 AM
Heer would not include Waffen SS and Volkssturm.
What about Panzer '46?

Heere I think did include Volksturm.  You're right it doesn't include the SS.   Panzer '46 is closest I think.

Now I always thought the Volksturm was part of the political establishment rather then the Heere. Organised by the Party ? In fact I thought that after the July bomb plot the Heere theoretically became part of the Party. Isn't that why the Heere infantry divisions became Volksinfantry/Grenadier divisions ? Army structure is not my thing I hasten to add
Title: 'Wermacht '46' or "Heeres'46"
Post by: apophenia on September 09, 2010, 04:27:06 PM
When in combat, Volkssturm units came under the control of the OKW (as opposed to OKH). The Nazi Party (through local Gauleiters) was only responsible for Volkssturm recruitment and organization.
Title: 'Wermacht '46' or "Heeres'46"
Post by: rickshaw on September 09, 2010, 04:56:16 PM
Quote from: apophenia on September 09, 2010, 04:27:06 PM
When in combat, Volkssturm units came under the control of the OKW (as opposed to OKH). The Nazi Party (through local Gauleiters) was only responsible for Volkssturm recruitment and organization.

Thanks.  I was under the impression that the Volksturm were under OKH operationally but under der Partei for political purposes.
Title: Re: 'Wermacht '46' or "Heeres'46"
Post by: jcf on September 09, 2010, 10:41:12 PM
Actually if referencing the Army only it would be Heer '46.
Title: Re: 'Wermacht '46' or "Heeres'46"
Post by: ysi_maniac on September 10, 2010, 07:29:32 AM
And Wehrmacht ;D
;D 10 posts to speak about title ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 'Wermacht '46' or "Heeres'46"
Post by: Aircav on September 10, 2010, 09:38:45 AM
Yeap, jumping in feet first.
Title: Re: 'Wermacht '46' or "Heeres'46"
Post by: NARSES2 on September 11, 2010, 01:59:45 AM
Beats jumping in head first  ;D