Kind of a bit obvious, gives it away in the title :lol: Any ideas?
Back date it. Roman nose, radials cowled along the line of the Stratocruiser/B-50, rounded flying surfaces, shortened fuselage. Etc.
:cheers: (Absinthe)
Daryl J., tossing out an idea
Ultra-STOL it with stuff originally developed for the Buffalo:
4 x overwing turbofans with USB flaps as per NASA's QSRA,
Air-cushioned landing system as per the XC-8A ACLS.
2 sets of wings and bi plane it...........maybe an extra 2 engines on the lower wing
Or a tandem wing: two sets of clipped wings in tandem with the front pair mounted low and the rear pair, carrying the engines, mounted high.
Quick 'n' dirty:
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Quote from: Weaver on January 17, 2010, 07:52:48 PM
Or a tandem wing: two sets of clipped wings in tandem with the front pair mounted low and the rear pair, carrying the engines, mounted high.
Quick 'n' dirty:
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You know, if you put big ducted fans on the ends of all four wings , you could conceivably call that the operational version of the Bell X-22. :wub:
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Guys, those don't look anything like the Hercules.
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Oh goody! The model shop has a good offer on the AFV club Hercules! :o
The Airfix 1/144 kit of the HP-42 Heracles still does the rounds too, it's a Hercules, just by a different name....! :wacko:
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Well with a Dragon Type-42 Batch 1, some Exocet boxes and a fair bit of plasticard, you could always make the Hércules:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_H%C3%A9rcules
;)
Ooooh, almost forgot the Spruce Goose, it's real name was Hercules!
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We could probably go on a bit further.... :wacko:
jet herc ...
On another forum I frequent, the issues/problems with the Stryker were much discussed, including the absolute limits on it's size imposed by the C-130's cargo bay, which caused particular problems with the MGS variant. I've always argued that this is putting the cart before the horse: you don't compromise the capability of the "sharp end" fighting units for the convenience of the logistics assets that get them there!
What I proposed, with tongue only partly in cheek, was a "Fatter Albert". Since C-130s can be stretched, it's obvious that the short version is bulking out before reaching it's weight limit, so why not design a new, fatter fuselage that uses the same C-130 wings, tail, cockpit, systems etc.. in order to reduce development time and cost and get it into service ASAP? It would be resolutely NOT cutting edge: no carbon fibre, no fancy new systems, just a bigger tin tube: how hard could that be?
Model-wise, take a C-130, cut each fuselage half in half lengthways and assemble it with four spacer strips to increase the diameter. Issues to resolve would be the tail ramp slope, the windscreen and the nose and tail taper.
Obviously the thing to build for this group build would be a C-130 powered by Bristol Hercules engines carrying a couple Nike Hercules missiles under the wings. I guess you could mate two engines in each nacelle to provide sufficient power.
Ed
Quote from: Ed S on January 19, 2010, 10:12:44 AM
Obviously the thing to build for this group build would be a C-130 powered by Bristol Hercules engines carrying a couple Nike Hercules missiles under the wings. I guess you could mate two engines in each nacelle to provide sufficient power.
Ed
With an M88 Hercules heavy recovery vehicle in the cargo bay, operating off the ARA Hercules, converted into a carrier...
Quote from: Weaver on January 19, 2010, 09:01:40 AM
On another forum I frequent, the issues/problems with the Stryker were much discussed, including the absolute limits on it's size imposed by the C-130's cargo bay, which caused particular problems with the MGS variant. I've always argued that this is putting the cart before the horse: you don't compromise the capability of the "sharp end" fighting units for the convenience of the logistics assets that get them there!
But whats the use of an all-singing, all-dancing IFV if you can't get it to the battlefield! Like the Hummer was designed to fit inside a Chinook - but only just! Seen pics in Iraq and there's about 2mm to spare!
Well you have to remember just how old the design is, when it was first introduced it was lightyears ahead of what it was replacing. It's like comparing the C-17 to the C-130 is today
This is nice GB idea, but one must remember that C-130 models are kind of thin on the ground, and not available in too many different scales. I quick search of different modeling sites generated the following:
Italeri 1/72
Amodel and Minicraft 1/144
Dragon (die-cast) 1/400
Pit Road 1/700
and that appears to be it.
Airfix also did one in 1/72nd, although I don't know how easy it is to find...(two on ebay at the moment) Used to come with the Bloodhound missile in some boxings.
Revell also did an FTB one in 1/140th.
Quote from: Ed S on January 19, 2010, 10:12:44 AM
Obviously the thing to build for this group build would be a C-130 powered by Bristol Hercules engines carrying a couple Nike Hercules missiles under the wings. I guess you could mate two engines in each nacelle to provide sufficient power.
Ed
... or installed like the Twin-Centaurus of the Brabazon:
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Cool sketch of a neat concept there :thumbsup:
Quote from: Jschmus on January 19, 2010, 06:38:15 PM
This is nice GB idea, but one must remember that C-130 models are kind of thin on the ground, and not available in too many different scales. I quick search of different modeling sites generated the following:
Italeri 1/72
Amodel and Minicraft 1/144
Dragon (die-cast) 1/400
Pit Road 1/700
and that appears to be it.
And 1/48 Italeri for the really adventurous :wacko:
The tilt rotor in the first Appleseed movie looks vaguely like a Herc.
Could be a good inspirational start point ;D
What about widening the scope to other transports? I don't think I'd ever build a Herk, to be honest.
I was thinking that myself. I've got an old Heller Transall, but it was only bought as a parts doner. I've got a few small types like the Twotter, Do.28 & a Fokker Friendship, although it might give the impetus to finish a Chinook if rotorcraft were allowed...
Not to mention I've always wanted to pick up the Roden An-12 & Zvezda Mi-26, not that I have any idea where I'd put them when finished! :blink:
I prefer all transports actually :wub: herc xl? :wacko:
Hmm, a "Haulin' Trash" GB might be just the ticket....
i have to admit the 1:48 italari ac130, goes together very nicly, ( and will fit on a 12" wide shelf if you only fix one wing permianatly, as tthe sholder cross brace alows the outher to slide on and off. it does however need a awful lot of scrap in the nose to avoid the tail sitter problem
so what transport kits are available?
Pretty much anything is available if you're willing to look hard enough and pay enough.
i should of asked what we can do transports :wacko:
Quote from: Black Knight on February 10, 2010, 12:29:22 PM
i should of asked what we can do transports :wacko:
The USMC has (or will have) hellfire armed KC-130Js (Or maybe even AKC-130Js :wacko:), and the Iraqi army has 3 Combat Caravans :thumbsup: