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General Modelling Forum => General Modeling topics => Topic started by: Eddie M. on November 22, 2009, 01:06:22 PM

Title: Armor marking identity
Post by: Eddie M. on November 22, 2009, 01:06:22 PM
I'm wondering if someone who has a knowlwdge of WWII German Armor can identify this marking, or for that matter if it was used. I know that Queensryche uses it for their logo, but I saw it on a tank once and have never been able to be sure that it was really used. Thanks.
http://www.zhippo.com/AtlantisBodyArtsHOSTED/images/gallery/queensriech-m.jpg
Title: Re: Armor marking identity
Post by: puddingwrestler on November 22, 2009, 01:26:02 PM
For what it's worth, that certainly looks like a post war design to me; 1970s at the earliest. That graphical style did not exist in the 40s.
Title: Re: Armor marking identity
Post by: ChernayaAkula on November 22, 2009, 02:15:34 PM
Might be a really long shot, but could it be the signet of the AFRIKA KORPS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrika_Korps)? (https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi107.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm309%2FChernayaAkula%2FEmoticons%2Funsure.gif&hash=352679fb4610eb92f3cc799bf6d95fe9e09fd484)

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F5%2F5e%2FPswastika.gif&hash=03433807d70fe2ecfdf67e93f83feba814fe1d69)
Title: Re: Armor marking identity
Post by: Fulcrum on November 22, 2009, 10:34:20 PM
Quote from: ChernayaAkula on November 22, 2009, 02:15:34 PM
Might be a really long shot, but could it be the signet of the AFRIKA KORPS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrika_Korps)? (https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi107.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm309%2FChernayaAkula%2FEmoticons%2Funsure.gif&hash=352679fb4610eb92f3cc799bf6d95fe9e09fd484)

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F5%2F5e%2FPswastika.gif&hash=03433807d70fe2ecfdf67e93f83feba814fe1d69)
Yes, it is the signet of the Afrika Korps.
Title: Re: Armor marking identity
Post by: ChernayaAkula on November 23, 2009, 09:29:54 AM
^ No, I meant whether the Afrika Korps signet could possibly be what Eddie had in mind.  ;D I mean, with some (okay, a lot of) imagination you could see possible parallels between the two designs, especially when seen in a smaller size.
Title: Re: Armor marking identity
Post by: Eddie M. on November 23, 2009, 02:03:26 PM
Quote from: ChernayaAkula on November 23, 2009, 09:29:54 AM
^ No, I meant whether the Afrika Korps signet could possibly be what Eddie had in mind.  ;D I mean, with some (okay, a lot of) imagination you could see possible parallels between the two designs, especially when seen in a smaller size.

That is similar, but the one I saw was like the example I linked to, only in one demension and a light color. Can some one direct me to a place where German tank insignias would be posted?
Title: Re: Armor marking identity
Post by: jcf on November 23, 2009, 06:21:43 PM
According to the results of a simple net search, the 'tri-ryche' symbol was designed by Todd Rockenfield, the brother of Queensryche drummer Scott Rockenfield.

German tactical markings:
http://www.schwimmwagen.ch/english/tacticalSigns_E.html

SS Panzer Division insignia:
http://www.hfmodeling.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=3261
Title: Re: Armor marking identity
Post by: Mossie on November 24, 2009, 03:09:19 AM
Eddie, I've seen a few that Division insignia that look roughly like the Queensryche logo, I've posted those that look the closest.

There are more on this Wiki page, but it doesn't include the SS Divisions.  If it's not one of those either, it's possibly a brigade or maybe just an individual marking.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Insignia_of_the_Wehrmacht

This one is probably the closest, of the 5th Jager Division.

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi72.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi176%2FMossie105%2FGeneral%2F5thJagerDivision.png&hash=e2cb0300b8031accaada15275bbdc007bc267fea)

This one isn't far off, 1st Panzer Division:

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi72.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi176%2FMossie105%2FGeneral%2F1stPanzerDivision-1.png&hash=111c89f0d264ee89e16e3b2f581435f2ab1baf95)

There are more on this Wiki page, but it doesn't include the SS Divisions:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Insignia_of_the_Wehrmacht
Title: Re: Armor marking identity
Post by: Eddie M. on November 24, 2009, 03:58:53 AM
Thank you Gentlemen. I've been a big fan of QR since their beginning and had learned about the conception of their logo back "in the day". Maybe the problem here is where I saw the marking on the tank. The History Channel. I'm still convinced I saw it on a tank and on TV. That logo sticks out like a lightening rod to me. If it turns out that it's a fake image, then it's another stake in the heart of the Almost History Channel.  ;)