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GROUP BUILDS => 2011 Group Builds => The Knackers Yard => Ship GB => Topic started by: Weaver on October 07, 2009, 06:04:28 PM

Title: Ship GB
Post by: Weaver on October 07, 2009, 06:04:28 PM
Okay, well with the recent upsurge of interest in ship whiffs, how about a Ship GB?

I'd suggest a dead simple and open "encourager" GB along the lines of the Armour GB. Two rules:

1. It must be a ship or boat, i.e. a vehicle designed to operate on water the majority of the time. Seaplanes not allowed. Hovercraft...hmmmm. Mods discretion, I think.

2. It must be a whiff.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Thorvic on October 08, 2009, 04:37:59 AM
Well i would be up for that, although i suspect the majority of the forum won't consider it.

;D

G
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Mossie on October 08, 2009, 06:06:10 AM
I dunno, I might be up for it!  I don't know much about ships but I've always been interested, being involved in a GB might help me get a little background.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Weaver on October 08, 2009, 07:51:16 AM
Ther've been other GBs that had limited participation, but still produced good models. Maybe run it at the same tims as another "minority interest" one, such as figures or cars?
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Mossie on October 08, 2009, 09:18:33 AM
I would maybe see how much interest you get?  Several ship builders seem to have 'come out of the closet' since a forum was opened for them.

As for criteria, maybe 'surface vessels' in general.  This could include Ekranoplans, depending on how strict you wanted to run it?
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: pyro-manic on October 08, 2009, 10:37:23 AM
I'm in!
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: deathjester on October 08, 2009, 01:10:39 PM
Quote from: Mossie on October 08, 2009, 06:06:10 AM
I dunno, I might be up for it!  I don't know much about ships but I've always been interested, being involved in a GB might help me get a little background.
That might be a good thing - you don't know what you are not supposed to do, so you can come up with any amount of crazyness, without a shred of nautical practicality to stop you!!
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Sauragnmon on October 08, 2009, 02:14:33 PM
I'd say hovercraft and ekranoplan would be in, just to provide feet-getting-wet capacity in this case, though I would suggest that they be whiffed airframes potentially.

I wouldn't mind a Ship GB.  Of course, I'm a ship whiffer and I've always been out of the closet about it.  I think in some cases, the forum opening up gave us a place to congregate the small demographic (of the three Military Media, we're rather the smallest) and it made us more visible.  I've been working on clearing up desk space and listening to that voice in my head telling me to finish projects, so I should have plenty of desk soon.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Joe C-P on October 08, 2009, 02:42:23 PM
Just started another one myself.  ;D
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: proditor on October 08, 2009, 08:07:49 PM
I just wet-sanded my Through Deck Spruance's flight deck tonight and realized how many projects I actually still want to complete, so I'm all for at least trying to finish something.  ;)
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Jschmus on October 09, 2009, 01:43:07 AM
My interest in aircraft has dried up a little of late, but I have a few ideas for naval builds, so I'd be interested in this one.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Taiidantomcat on October 09, 2009, 10:17:06 AM
I would be in...but my experience with ships is rather limited...i would probably take a lot of time to do the big 1/350 ships i have. I like the idea of making it water based, could include Amphib tanks, Naval Infanty, and Marines,(provided they operate in water no F-18s) ... I know that is a bit of a stretch but It would be cool:

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.defensetech.org%2Fimages%2Faav7turret.jpg&hash=d8d132130241c03ab8ec7a561e41547daeb94bea)
AAV-7

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2F4%2F48%2FAAAV.jpg&hash=f3cc71a6f1ad5d0f7380d5c3e394e870360b665b)

The AAAV! The USMCs latest whif! (They canceled the program :banghead:)
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Taiidantomcat on October 09, 2009, 10:27:47 AM
Quote from: Taiidantomcat on October 09, 2009, 10:17:06 AM
I would be in...but my experience with ships is rather limited...i would probably take a lot of time to do the big 1/350 ships i have. I like the idea of making it water based, could include Amphib tanks, Naval Infanty, and Marines,(provided they operate in water no F-18s) ... I know that is a bit of a stretch but It would be cool:

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.defensetech.org%2Fimages%2Faav7turret.jpg&hash=d8d132130241c03ab8ec7a561e41547daeb94bea)
AAV-7

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2F4%2F48%2FAAAV.jpg&hash=f3cc71a6f1ad5d0f7380d5c3e394e870360b665b)

The AAAV! The USMCs latest whif! (They canceled the program :banghead:)

I already talked with Saur about a Soviet Sub Idea i have.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: lenny100 on October 09, 2009, 10:29:33 AM
i ammin also I have a fleet of 1/600 royal navy ships  on the drawing board
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Weaver on October 11, 2009, 01:01:17 PM
Quote from: Taiidantomcat on October 09, 2009, 10:17:06 AM
I would be in...but my experience with ships is rather limited...i would probably take a lot of time to do the big 1/350 ships i have. I like the idea of making it water based, could include Amphib tanks, Naval Infanty, and Marines,(provided they operate in water no F-18s) ... I know that is a bit of a stretch but It would be cool:

How about this: amphibious vehicles are in, providing that they're designed for open sea operations (i.e. amphibious landings) not just inland water crossings? So LVTP-7s, whose design is conditioned by "boat" considerations, are in, but an M-113 with it's trim vane erected doesn't count. Of course, you could whiff the M-113 into an open-sea vehicle, by adding lots more buoyancy and a serious prop/water jet system. IIRC, Brazil did exactly that, although it never went into production. The Indonesian Marines also have a sea-landing AMX-10P version, with reduced weaponry, extra buoyancy and powerful water jets.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Taiidantomcat on October 11, 2009, 10:57:05 PM
 I like that weaver, sounds fair.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: ysi_maniac on April 21, 2010, 11:43:41 AM
Can air carriers, land battlecruisers and flying battleships admited in this idea?
Allow this GB to go crazy! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: proditor on April 21, 2010, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: ysi_maniac on April 21, 2010, 11:43:41 AM
Can air carriers, land battlecruisers and flying battleships admited in this idea?
Allow this GB to go crazy! :thumbsup:
Yes, please do this.  I have a whole passle full of crazy to unleash.   ;D
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Cliffy B on April 21, 2010, 11:54:36 AM
I'm in, let's do it!!!!  I have so many ship whiff ideas it's insane!
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Sisko on April 22, 2010, 05:26:23 AM
I was thinking about proposing a flying battleship idea but maybe it could be incorporated in this build????

Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: proditor on April 22, 2010, 06:12:53 AM
The more I think about it, the more I think it might not be a bad idea to break off the crazy ship build into something else.  Don't get me wrong, i have a ton of ideas for both, but I also don't think there's anything wrong with ships getting their own build, and flying battleships getting something similar.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Weaver on April 22, 2010, 06:31:33 AM
I really think flying battleships, airship battleships, space battleships and land battleships shouldn't be included in this one, but should either have their own GB, or be incorporated in other suitable GBs. For instance most flying battleship concepts would fall comfortably within a Steampunk or Dieselpunk GB, space battleships in a sci-fi one, and I think there's already a "landships" one isn't there?
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: proditor on April 22, 2010, 07:06:22 AM
Agreed.  I'm off to go make some suggestions.  ;)
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Sisko on April 22, 2010, 03:15:42 PM
Quote from: Weaver on April 22, 2010, 06:31:33 AM
I really think flying battleships, airship battleships, space battleships and land battleships shouldn't be included in this one, but should either have their own GB, or be incorporated in other suitable GBs. For instance most flying battleship concepts would fall comfortably within a Steampunk or Dieselpunk GB, space battleships in a sci-fi one, and I think there's already a "landships" one isn't there?


Fair call!.

I have an old Arizona kit that I am thinking of making into a aircraft carrier
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: puddingwrestler on April 23, 2010, 06:15:21 PM
Somewhere int he stash I have Revell's 1:131 Defiance (i think) gunboat of box scale-ness which has always been slated for the San Tortan navy, but never been gotten round to building. Might have to pull it out. Also wouldn't mind a San Tortan submarine.

Hmmmm... I wonder what the Duchy of Zoltravia uses for a Navy... I'm sure they havge some large lakes to guard!
Title: Is this not tempting?
Post by: ysi_maniac on May 26, 2010, 10:13:32 AM
Does anyone know the name?
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Weaver on May 26, 2010, 10:22:01 AM
It's a Royal Navy monitor isn't it? Something like Cerberus or Erebus......

Edit: Erebus or Terror.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: ysi_maniac on May 27, 2010, 05:21:14 AM
I think you are right but I do not know how many monitor Royal Navy had during WWII. Anyhow the monitor concept interests me as modeller. Where can I find info about this kind of warships?
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Weaver on May 27, 2010, 05:51:35 AM
Quote from: ysi_maniac on May 27, 2010, 05:21:14 AM
I think you are right but I do not know how many monitor Royal Navy had during WWII. Anyhow the monitor concept interests me as modeller. Where can I find info about this kind of warships?



Loads of info on Wikipedia. Follow links from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erebus_class_monitor

Here's a book about it (dare say you could find it cheaper with a proper search) http://www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/?product_id=1588 Note that you can browse the book through this screen.

IIRC, Conway's Eclipse of the Big Gun has a decent section on monitors, which is why I know about them: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Eclipse-Big-Gun-Warship-1906-1945/dp/0851779530 (this book is well worth having).
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: proditor on May 27, 2010, 06:05:17 AM
IIRC, the US had a few as well, but only as late as WW1.  And then, they were mostly Sub Tenders.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Mossie on May 27, 2010, 07:27:10 AM
There were at least two other Monitors in use by the Royal Navy in WWII, the Roberts Class:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberts_class_monitor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberts_class_monitor)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Roberts_%28F40%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Roberts_%28F40%29)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Abercrombie_%28F109%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Abercrombie_%28F109%29)

There were quite a few more from WWI.  White Ensign have recently done models of both of the Roberts Class in 1/350.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Mossie on May 27, 2010, 07:34:06 AM
Found a build on Steel Navy of a Combrig Models 1/700 HMS Roberts:
http://www.steelnavy.com/CombrigRobertsDB.htm (http://www.steelnavy.com/CombrigRobertsDB.htm)

EDIT, Whoops!  Got the wrong link, should go to the build article now.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Weaver on May 27, 2010, 08:41:14 AM
List of Royal Navy monitors:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monitors_of_the_Royal_Navy

Three of the WWI monitors were converted to carry single, fixed Eighteen Inch guns  :blink: taken from HMS Furious:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_General_Wolfe
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 27, 2010, 03:38:07 PM
Strewth, that 18 inch gun on the 'General Wolfe' looks like they put a 1/350 scale turret on a 1/700 scale hull!

It must have been AWESOME to see, and hear, it fire!  :o
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Cliffy B on December 12, 2010, 07:22:10 PM
Come on guys!!!!  The poll for the 2011 GBs is up and you all need to go and vote for the Ship GB NOW!!!!!  Its time for something different, its time to build floaty things!!!  We've all built enough wingy things for a good long time and it time for something else. 

In the words of Arnie, "DO IT!! DO IT NOW!!!!!!"
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: proditor on December 20, 2010, 12:24:37 PM
This one needs a lot of love.  Currently in 6th or so place, and about to go away forever. 

Make Posiedon happy this holiday season.  Vote early, vote often, VOTE SHIPS!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Mossie on December 20, 2010, 01:14:11 PM
Voted for this one. might or might not take part, but I'd like to see it for something different. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: beowulf on December 20, 2010, 03:10:26 PM
Quote from: Mossie on December 20, 2010, 01:14:11 PM
Voted for this one. might or might not take part, but I'd like to see it for something different. :thumbsup:


ditto.............i do have something that i have had planned for about 9 months that i just need prompting to get on with  ;D
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: tigercat on January 31, 2011, 03:39:38 AM
Hope this gets going I had an inspiration the other day while flicking through a ship modelling magazine.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: pyro-manic on January 31, 2011, 07:58:24 AM
I have a few ideas lined up, some wacky, some interesting, some just odd. :wacko:
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Weaver on February 10, 2011, 09:34:10 AM
Saw one of these in Modelzone. Thought provoking (not least for the Pirate GB)....... :wacko:


(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.revell.com%2Fcatalog%2Fimages%2Fproducts%2F85-0328.jpg&hash=fb66d8daaa0324b38fd780fe1c042e080352d013)



http://www.revell.com/model-kits/ships/85-0328.html
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Fulcrum on February 10, 2011, 11:22:04 PM
I got just one question with the ship GB:

Are shipbucket profiles allowed?

Just wondering.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Thorvic on February 11, 2011, 04:30:17 AM
Quote from: Fulcrum on February 10, 2011, 11:22:04 PM
I got just one question with the ship GB:

Are shipbucket profiles allowed?

Just wondering.

Sure you can use a shipbucket image as a basis for actual build  :thumbsup:.

In terms of submission as entry for the GB i personally don't think they should allowed, this afterall is a Modelling site, Ship bucket has its own websiite and forum which actively encourages project and what-if designs.

G
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: GTX on February 11, 2011, 12:01:03 PM
Quote from: Fulcrum on February 10, 2011, 11:22:04 PM
I got just one question with the ship GB:

Are shipbucket profiles allowed?

Just wondering.

I would imagine that will be up to the moderator who eventually controls this GB and sets the rules.

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: tigercat on February 24, 2011, 03:13:18 AM
Big Gun Monitors by Ian Buxton is very good.

Of course their were paddle wheeled aircraft carriers  ;D

perfect for that WHIF Confederates versus Union scenario

Any idea if and when the GB will be getting going
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: proditor on February 24, 2011, 05:40:07 PM
I really hope this one is a go as I've had an epiphany moment.  I'll be making HMS Lion (Modernized) and HMS...something or other, that's a coastal battelship armed with 8 x 14" guns.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Thorvic on February 24, 2011, 10:57:40 PM
We'll see about it next month perhaps, as the two highest ranking GBs have now kicked off, and i know some of the gang may be doing Ships for those group builds. We may have to run it alongside one of the others as there is also the Space theme that ranked highly but like ships is more of a niche aspect of modelling when compared to aircraft and AFV modelling.

I will certainly be taking part in the Ship GB and already have a build lined up inspired by TomP & Proditor  :thumbsup:.

Cheers

Geoff
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: ysi_maniac on February 25, 2011, 07:35:03 AM
Will land battleships and flying carriers be allowed here?
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: tigercat on February 25, 2011, 08:26:50 AM
I have an idea and am itching to create HMS Scorpio and it will have nothing to do with the Zodiac
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: ysi_maniac on February 25, 2011, 09:16:16 AM
Can you give us more info? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Jschmus on February 26, 2011, 05:15:37 AM
Quote from: ysi_maniac on February 25, 2011, 07:35:03 AM
Will land battleships and flying carriers be allowed here?

It's not my GB, but I believe it was previously stipulated that this would be for wet-navy builds.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: ysi_maniac on February 27, 2011, 10:17:36 AM
But my ideas are in fact amphibious ;D
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: tigercat on February 28, 2011, 04:43:47 AM
What's the turning circle on that thing?
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: ysi_maniac on February 28, 2011, 05:47:39 AM
^^^^
The turning circle of a battleship or a carrier, obviously ;).
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: tigercat on February 28, 2011, 07:40:39 AM
It will be a ASW aircraft / Auto Gyro carrier to help close the mid atlantic gap.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: ysi_maniac on March 02, 2011, 11:04:30 AM
Another idea:

What if Bismarck, after sinking HMS Hood and HMS Prince of Wales :o , manages to return to motherland and there damages and some failures are fixed. Particularly a transom stern, correctly protecting rudder and screws. Taking advance, main battery is upgraded: 3 turrets x 3 guns each, same calibre.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Captain Canada on March 02, 2011, 12:55:50 PM
I've been trying to figure out what I want to do for this...and today, perusing a magazine at a store, it hit me ( in the form a a photo ). A new ice-breaking patrol ship, as propsed for the CDN navy. Now, what to buy to start with....

:cheers:
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Mossie on March 02, 2011, 01:23:24 PM
Sandiego's using the old Revell 1/300 USS Burton kit in the '46 build:
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,31464.0.html

Ark Models do a 1/400 Russian icebreaker kit:
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/ARK40002

Hasegawa 1/350 Soya
http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/misc/ships/j/spahrsoya.htm

Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: pyro-manic on March 02, 2011, 04:12:22 PM
Quote from: ysi_maniac on March 02, 2011, 11:04:30 AM
Another idea:

What if Bismarck, after sinking HMS Hood and HMS Prince of Wales :o , manages to return to motherland and there damages and some failures are fixed. Particularly a transom stern, correctly protecting rudder and screws. Taking advance, main battery is upgraded: 3 turrets x 3 guns each, same calibre.

Might be tricky to do that turret change, as the barbettes would need to be ripped out and replaced - very major work. Likewise rebuilding the stern and altering the rudder and propeller shaft layout would require massive work, essentially ripping out the entire engineering section of the ship. A better option would be an "improved Bismarck-class", built to a revised design.

You'd probably find Bismarck would have been in a similar situation to Tirpitz had she made it back to Germany - trapped in or close to harbour for the rest of the war, and subject to regular attacks from bombers and submarines.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: ysi_maniac on March 02, 2011, 05:46:50 PM
Quote from: Mossie on March 02, 2011, 01:23:24 PM
Ark Models do a 1/400 Russian icebreaker kit:
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/ARK40002

I assume this is, in fact, the old Heller's Lenin. I can recommend it
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/misc/icebreaker/lenin-400-aa/aa-index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin_%28nuclear_icebreaker%29
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: ysi_maniac on March 02, 2011, 05:50:55 PM
Yet another idea: British Pocket Battle Cruiser
Take the Airfix Belfast, delete main turrets and put a pair of 15in twin turrets from a Hood or Warspite. Love this :wub:
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Weaver on March 02, 2011, 06:26:51 PM
OR

Cross kit the Airfix Belfast and Devonshire to produce a post-war missile cruiser refit. Keep A and B turrets, replace all the 4" with two 4.5" Mk.6 and two Seacats, and make a completely new rear superstructure with a Seaslug magazine inside it, the launcher behind it, and the Type 901 tracker on top of it.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: ysi_maniac on March 03, 2011, 10:50:50 AM
Quote from: ysi_maniac on March 02, 2011, 11:04:30 AM
Another idea:

What if Bismarck, after sinking HMS Hood and HMS Prince of Wales :o , manages to return to motherland and there damages and some failures are fixed. Particularly a transom stern, correctly protecting rudder and screws. Taking advance, main battery is upgraded: 3 turrets x 3 guns each, same calibre.

Something like this:
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: ysi_maniac on March 03, 2011, 10:59:23 AM
This can inspire too.
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,31762.0.html
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: ysi_maniac on March 03, 2011, 11:05:54 AM
Another project a would start with a Bismarck base :thumbsup: http://bit.ly/hExoPT
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: pyro-manic on March 03, 2011, 01:39:46 PM
A Belfast-based missile cruiser would be rather nifty. I don't think she'd take a pair of 15" turrets though - she was a classic cruiser design, with a very fine slender hull. You'd have to give her some big bulges to make her stable enough for heavy guns, which would slow her down quite a bit. I think you could easily upgun her with twin 8" turrets though, from something like the Exeter class. That would make for a pretty good heavy cruiser. You might even get away with some of the two-gun 14" turrets from the KGV class battleships. Two or three of those might be plausible, with much-reduced armour on the turrets to save weight.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Thorvic on April 19, 2011, 03:06:47 PM
Okay start getting your ideas together and sourcing your parts as were looking to fire this Group Build next month when the Secret Santa is scheduled to finish.

Details about the rules for the Group Build will be posted up in the near future once the rules have been finalised and apporved, but thought i should give people a heads up to start thinking of ideas.

For those not willing to get their feet wet, we are also considering running the VTOL GB during the same time frame, once you have finished off your 1946 and Africa builds that is  :thumbsup:.

Geoff
The Admin Team
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Cliffy B on April 19, 2011, 03:57:59 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   :party:
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Taiidantomcat on April 20, 2011, 08:46:27 AM
Quote from: Thorvic on April 19, 2011, 03:06:47 PM
Okay start getting your ideas together and sourcing your parts as were looking to fire this Group Build next month when the Secret Santa is scheduled to finish.

Details about the rule the Group Build will be posted up in the near future once the rules have been finalised and apporved, but thought i should give people a heads up to start thinking of ideas.

For those not willing to get their feet wet, we are also considering running the VTOL GB during the same time frame, once you have finished off your 1946 and Africa builds that is  :thumbsup:.

Geoff
The Admin Team

Well explained!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: tigercat on April 20, 2011, 09:09:01 AM
ooh my idea for a ship might qualify for the VTOL build aswell. One of it's associated itmes rather than the ship itself.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Thorvic on April 20, 2011, 11:37:25 AM
Quote from: tigercat on April 20, 2011, 09:09:01 AM
ooh my idea for a ship might qualify for the VTOL build aswell. One of it's associated itmes rather than the ship itself.

That did cross my mind when looking at the SCS master i'm working on !!
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Weaver on April 20, 2011, 03:07:36 PM
Well I did say I wasn't going to do any GBs this year, but since I proposed this in the first place, it'd be rude not to, wouldn't it? Possibilities will be limited to stuff I've already got, since buying things is OFF the agenda unless the job situation changes:

1. Type 84 destroyer: Type 82 (HMS Bristol) on steroids for a "richer Britain" timeline, basically. Has double-ended Sea Dart with four trackers and Ikara in the middle or on the quarterdeck. Got a cheap Spruance for the hull, two Type 42s and an Invincible to chop up, so that should cover it....

2. Proper Type 21: Airfix's 1/600th Amazon (Vosper Mk.8 ) scaleorama'd to 1/700th to make a Royal Navy equivalent of Brazil's Niterois (Vosper Mk.10).
Title: "Yonaga" a Possibility
Post by: sequoiaranger on April 20, 2011, 05:18:04 PM
I've done my "1946 GB" entry (He-1062 Molch), and may enjoy the change of pace to a ship after my "Twin-engined Zero" is done (May). So in about a month I will be ready for a new project. The Yonaga will be a small-scale (1/2000??) aircraft carrier based on my favorite "To Victory Through Seapower" (Furashita's Fleet) IJN carrier game piece :

http://www.combinedfleet.com/furashita/yonaga_f.htm

I have some odd-scale small-scale ship kits that might be persuaded to mangle themselves into this ship. An old Pyro "Table Top Navy" Shokaku kit, a Heller 1/1600 Arromanche, and some Bandai Akagi, Shokaku, Yamato, and Illustrious kits, too!

Thinking cap *ON*!
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Taiidantomcat on April 21, 2011, 08:36:11 AM
Quote from: Overkiller on April 20, 2011, 02:30:28 PM

I think I may just throw my hat into the ring for this GB. I've never built a ship before, so this would be the perfect excuse to try my hand at one.


I have only built two or three in all my years, one of the things that is exicting about this GB is folks stepping out of their comfort zones. It will be very fun to watch, and there should be a lot of ship gurus here to help us new people as well. How do you mask a ship anyway  :unsure:

:cheers:
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Thorvic on April 26, 2011, 11:46:21 PM
Okay moved the original propasal discussion to the Group Build section so as to make it easier to refer to  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Joe C-P on April 30, 2011, 07:55:45 PM
So I shall dive into the collection to see what new ideas can come out of there.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Joe C-P on May 06, 2011, 08:36:07 PM
Well, I'd do my USS Guadalcanal as a RN version, sent to replace Invincible if she'd been lost in the Falklands, but I can't find 1/600 aircraft, especially Harriers.

I find I have a Scharnhorst, and a Z class DD without the bridge, and am trying to think of ideas for it. I've done a 1980s Prinz Eugen, a Deutchland captured and upgraded by the USN, a Tirpitz in the IJN, and a Graf Zeppelin in Soviet service. What's left to do? Maybe a Free German Navy version? Or perhaps French post-WW2, if I can find the proper weapons in 1/700? Or...  :unsure:
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Thorvic on May 07, 2011, 04:24:53 AM
Joe

Tumbling Dice do wargaming 1/600 aircraft whish should be up your street. their website is being rebuilt but their US supplier appears to have their stuff:-

http://www.brookhursthobbies.com/Product-Listing.cfm?C=4&D=1302&N=10&S=&M=TUMBLING DICE&SD=AIRCRAFT - POST WWII BRITISH/EUROPEAN (http://www.brookhursthobbies.com/Product-Listing.cfm?C=4&D=1302&N=10&S=&M=TUMBLING%20DICE&SD=AIRCRAFT%20-%20POST%20WWII%20BRITISH/EUROPEAN)

As for the Z class why don't you do it post war with a RN style Type 15 conversion applied to it as part of the reformed West German Navy.

Cheers

Geoff
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Weaver on May 10, 2011, 12:16:27 AM
Good news and bad news:

Good news is I've got a new job, Bad news is I'm going to be WAY busy for an indeterminate time. Might have to give the GB a miss, or might have to go with something less ambitious - we shall see.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Cliffy B on May 10, 2011, 12:38:15 PM
Alright gents, would you object to me entering a build that I will also be entering into a GB over on modelwarships?  Both GBs have commenced but the kit remains un-started.  It is a 1950's (Korean War fit) of the USS North Carolina (BB-55).  I came across some literature about how BuShips would have re-fit the class if reactivated (alas, no drawings) so I'd like to enter her if its OK with you guys.

Second question, I began scratch building a ship for the '46 GB but I will not be able to finish it in time.  It was a USCG Icebreaker/Gunboat.  I only got as far as shaping and priming the hull.  If its OK, I'd like to shift it to this GB.

Please let me know what you decide gents.

-Mike
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Thorvic on May 10, 2011, 12:57:03 PM
Ok to both as far as i'm concerned, the idea is to get people building ships and if that means ones stuck in dry dock then thats fine by me. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Joe C-P on May 10, 2011, 07:47:52 PM
Thorvic - thank you to the pointer to those aircraft.  I'd like to do the Guadalcanal as the mine sweeping edition of the USS Inchon, though they don't make H-53s. (Yet. Maybe I'll ask.)
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Thorvic on May 10, 2011, 10:22:12 PM
No problem Joe  :thumbsup:. We really need Pitroad/Trumpeter to convert their waveline resin Iwo Jima into an injection moulded kit much as they did with the Blue Ridge as it would be nice to see those LPHs produced and they could be sold in 60s' or 90s fit, as Assault, SCS or Minesweeping formats.

Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Joe C-P on May 11, 2011, 07:44:51 PM
Z-class post war Kriegsmarine - interesting. I'll have to see what bits and pieces are lying around that are about that era.

As for the Scharnhorst... Perhaps an alternate reality... Free German Navy. No, wait - the Dutch Navy planned to build a similar ship. The project 1047! Aha! Scharnhorst, with twin funnels, RN light weapons and electronics, sent to the Pacific so as not to be mixed up with her Nazi look-alikes. Aircraft? Colours? I need my Dulin & Garske! Woo hoo!
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Cliffy B on May 11, 2011, 07:49:45 PM
DO IT JOE!!! DO IT!!!!!!!!!  Give me a time frame you'd like to depict and I can help with camo and aircraft.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: anthonyp on May 19, 2011, 06:11:00 PM
If I wasn't into my latest insanity like you have no idea (one-man Space GB), I'd soooo be up for this, if only to finish the fleet I've had under construction for the last few years.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: anthonyp on May 19, 2011, 06:11:55 PM
Quote from: Thorvic on May 10, 2011, 10:22:12 PM
No problem Joe  :thumbsup:. We really need Pitroad/Trumpeter to convert their waveline resin Iwo Jima into an injection moulded kit much as they did with the Blue Ridge as it would be nice to see those LPHs produced and they could be sold in 60s' or 90s fit, as Assault, SCS or Minesweeping formats.



Or sold to allied nations operating AV-8C's somehow made to work in the 21st century.

Ah, to dream...
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: anthonyp on May 19, 2011, 06:15:03 PM
Quote from: Captain Canada on March 02, 2011, 12:55:50 PM
I've been trying to figure out what I want to do for this...and today, perusing a magazine at a store, it hit me ( in the form a a photo ). A new ice-breaking patrol ship, as propsed for the CDN navy. Now, what to buy to start with....

:cheers:

Yeah, really late to the party here... 

Over at Shipbucket, there's a guy doing a Alt Hist Canadian Navy with CG's, bigger DDG's, and even an ice-breaking frigate for polar ops. Rather nice design in my opinion.  Danged if I can find it right now...
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Joe C-P on May 21, 2011, 08:42:37 PM
Quote from: anthonyp on May 19, 2011, 06:11:55 PM
Quote from: Thorvic on May 10, 2011, 10:22:12 PM
No problem Joe  :thumbsup:. We really need Pitroad/Trumpeter to convert their waveline resin Iwo Jima into an injection moulded kit much as they did with the Blue Ridge as it would be nice to see those LPHs produced and they could be sold in 60s' or 90s fit, as Assault, SCS or Minesweeping formats.

Or sold to allied nations operating AV-8C's somehow made to work in the 21st century.

Ah, to dream...

Dutch, Argentina, Chile, Brasil, Canada, Australia, India, Japan, are all navies I've considered for operating LPHs as SCSs. Just need a plastic kit.
Title: Re: Ship GB
Post by: Joe C-P on May 21, 2011, 08:47:02 PM
Quote from: Cliffy B on May 11, 2011, 07:49:45 PM
DO IT JOE!!! DO IT!!!!!!!!!  Give me a time frame you'd like to depict and I can help with camo and aircraft.

I'll be in touch.  ;D
Definitely WW2, not certain when. I'll need to obtain the necessary detail parts, most likely from WEM.