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GROUP BUILDS => 2009 Group Builds => The Knackers Yard => Flying Boat, Sea Plane, and Amphibian Group Build => Topic started by: kitflubber on April 09, 2009, 10:44:48 AM

Title: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: kitflubber on April 09, 2009, 10:44:48 AM
I had posted this eons ago, back when Planeman was on here a lot (what happened to him?). It's a super-lux twin-hulled Italian flying boat from between the Wars I and II.

Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: kitflubber on April 09, 2009, 10:46:05 AM
It definitely needs some tweaking -- I would be building it in Strata 3D.
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 09, 2009, 01:51:48 PM
So is that twin hulled like the SM55, but with the control cabin up at the high level? And does it have FIVE engines?

I like that idea, I bet Tophe does too!  :lol:
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: kitflubber on April 09, 2009, 04:29:40 PM
I decided that the previous design was too darn small... now it's 257 feet long, 84 feet keel to top of engines (all twelve), with a 471 foot span.

It has a restaurant, a casino, and a dance floor on the middle sponson (when docked). ;D
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: kitflubber on April 09, 2009, 04:31:45 PM
Oh and I stole the Piaggio hydrofoil plane's water prop...

PR19_Kit: Yeah, the Captain's quarters are in the top wing.
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: kitflubber on April 09, 2009, 04:39:18 PM
Oh goodness -- bigger than the Spruce Goose, per Wikipedia:

Specifications (H-4)

Performance specifications are projected.

General characteristics

    * Crew: 3
    * Length: 218 ft 8 in (66.65 m)
    * Wingspan: 319 ft 11 in (97.54 m)
    * Height: 79 ft 4 in (24.18 m)

    * Fuselage height: 30 ft (9.1 m)

    * Loaded weight: 400,000 lb (180,000 kg)
    * Powerplant: 8× Pratt & Whitney R-4360 Wasp Major radial engines, 3,000 hp (2,240 kW) each
    * Propellers: four-bladed Hamilton Standard, prop, 1 per engine
          o Propeller diameter: 17 ft 2 in (5.23 m)
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: Weaver on April 10, 2009, 10:11:28 AM
Cool - don't worry about the size: just keep adding engines......

Speaking of the engines, why not have them in oversized torpedo-shaped pods with an engine room between each pair, access being via a ladder up the inside of the pylon?

I hope those guard rails are retractable and the promenade decks closed in flight: even with the likely "stately" performace, the ladies will still lose their parasols and handerkerchiefs, and young gentlemen might be inclinded to put themselves at risk retrieving them... ;D
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: kitflubber on April 10, 2009, 12:29:13 PM
Weaver, I was debating about the engine pods -- maybe they should enclosed in fairings. I need to crack open my old 'Conquerors of the Air' to get better reference, especially for the paint.
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: kitflubber on April 12, 2009, 05:14:14 PM
I found this Frenchsite with three view drawings of various seaplanes:

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/j.s/hydravions/index2.htm
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: kitflubber on April 12, 2009, 06:31:05 PM
Been working on profile drawing for the flying boat... Does anyone have info on the insignias on 1930's Italian Flying Boats?



Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: kitflubber on April 12, 2009, 11:33:13 PM
The Savoia Marchetti S-55 in the previous images were to show scale... The new plane is a bit bigger than the Dornier DO-X -- about 180 feet long.

I finished the engines here -- they are Fiat V-12s, producing about 1,000 H.P. each (there are nine now).

Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: cthulhu77 on April 13, 2009, 08:50:07 AM
Very Cool !!!!
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: glanini on April 13, 2009, 09:49:21 AM
What a Marvel............... :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: kitflubber on April 15, 2009, 01:57:28 PM
Thanks for the compliments! I have been building it with Strata now. Here are a couple of progress shots.

Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: kitflubber on April 15, 2009, 08:30:59 PM
Major geometry worked out! Now need to apply paint and put in scene... My ambition exceeds my ability. I want a night time scene with revelers crowding the decks, and party lights strung on the plane.

Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: Zeke on April 16, 2009, 12:17:01 AM
What a glorious looking shape...fine work indeed... :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: tanktastic43 on April 16, 2009, 12:51:30 AM
Would the passengers be able to walk through the wing connecting the hulls?
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: kitflubber on April 16, 2009, 07:15:52 AM
Thank you, Zeke!

Tanktastic43, yeah, that was my intention. The slanting pylons holding the wing have ladders inside to go up and polished slides to come down, for the captain and crew to visit below.
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: cthulhu77 on April 16, 2009, 07:20:15 AM
very nice ! 
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: kitflubber on April 16, 2009, 06:28:07 PM
Been adding fiddly little bits like actuators. I threw on a rough white gloss and deck color, as well as a fake ocean surface to get a feel.

Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: kitflubber on April 16, 2009, 06:29:13 PM
View from deck
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: kitflubber on April 16, 2009, 06:40:16 PM
I am still learning how to do reflections properly and predictably... That plane is supposed to be white, but there is a weird black reflection from something.
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: kitflubber on April 16, 2009, 07:45:53 PM
I've been toying with another idea, a Savoia Marchetti sequel to their smaller models like the S-55. This one has a huge passenger lounge roofed in glass, with tables, sofas, potted palms, a grand piano, a fountain of Asti Spumanti... The captain/pilot's cabin is on a conning tower for better visibility of other traffic. The front decks of the pontoons are open for promenades at mooring, and berths are in wings -- or maybe in pontoons to avoid engine noise (slightly!).
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: kitflubber on April 16, 2009, 07:50:01 PM
BTW, the bumps on the bottom seen in front view are ship to shore launches, also life boats.
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: kitflubber on April 17, 2009, 03:52:56 PM
Working on paint and rivets -- wow! Makes a difference!
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: cthulhu77 on April 17, 2009, 05:11:30 PM
beautiful !!!!!!!
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: kitflubber on April 17, 2009, 06:48:10 PM
More renders -- did the engines, pretty painless.

Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: kitflubber on April 17, 2009, 06:49:45 PM
Finally got ribs to show on rudder - -control surfaces are fabric.
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: nev on April 22, 2009, 09:57:34 AM
Wow, this is some pretty serious stuff :o
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: ElectrikBlue on April 22, 2009, 10:15:31 AM
Great modeling and texturing work on this beautiful model! :wub: :bow:

EB
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: Daryl J. on April 22, 2009, 10:20:06 AM
This is brilliant material.


:cheers:
Daryl J.
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: kitflubber on April 22, 2009, 08:45:01 PM
Wow, thanks for the compliments, guys! I promise to get back on this after some other current distractions!

ElectrikBlue, such words from you are praise indeed -- your planes are awesome! What software are you using? I have Strata, because that's what we use at work. I curse at it every day.
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: dy031101 on April 23, 2009, 12:55:15 PM
That's one nice and shiny flying boat there!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: ElectrikBlue on April 23, 2009, 02:25:12 PM
Quote from: kitflubber on April 22, 2009, 08:45:01 PM
Wow, thanks for the compliments, guys! I promise to get back on this after some other current distractions!

ElectrikBlue, such words from you are praise indeed -- your planes are awesome! What software are you using? I have Strata, because that's what we use at work. I curse at it every day.

Don't curse too much at Strata... I have always been frustrated by modeling software!
(I must confess that I am a former 3D developer. :banghead:).

Now I only use a low-poly freeware modeler called Metasequoia, it's too simple to allow complex modelling, bump-mapping or realistic rendering.
Keep up the good work!  :cheers:

EB
Title: Re: Luxury Italian Flying Boat
Post by: Tophe on April 26, 2009, 10:38:24 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on April 09, 2009, 01:51:48 PM
I like that idea, I bet Tophe does too!  :lol:
I do love this too, while I almost missed it, not visiting every GB...