;D I see that you are a bad gang that do not vote enough to my Anachronistic GB ;D
:wacko: So I will submit a fantasy Spitfire in Elizabethan colours, ready to confront Philip II forces (still in study) :wacko:
he he he he he
:cheers:
There's always one....! ;D ;D
.............Ok..... :blink: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
We're waiting!
Daryl J., with a happy weekend chuckle
"I may have body of a weak and frail woman, but I have the stomach of a King! And a king of England too! And I think it foul scorn that Parma or Spain, or any prince of Europe, should dare to invade the borders of my realms"
:)
Ah! Sir Philip Sidney. 'Tis good to see thee on these shores again. Hast thou come to fly our Spitfires at those Spanish galleons?
Quote from: The Rat on September 06, 2008, 07:41:52 PM
Spanish galleons
Currently considering a Dora or Thunderbolt, with floats in both cases :mellow:
An Elizabethan Spitfire has to have Black and White colouring, surely.
How about a Thatched "Rufe" :wacko:
Quote from: Radish on September 09, 2008, 12:17:52 AMHow about a Thatched "Rufe" :wacko:
Coffee on the keyboard! ;D :thumbsup:
Since those in Elizabethan times weren't as savvy on air resistance, might you put the Elizabethan Spitfire's radiator AROUND the cowling, painted white, like one of those neck ruffles common to the era? :wacko:
THEN, paint the Spit like a rich, brocaded coat with patterns, gold lace, etc.
'Course, you would have to include a paint with a body stench, too, as bathing was virtually taboo (or was that just the Victorian era?).
don't forget the codpiece!
Quote from: The Rat on September 09, 2008, 04:53:35 AM
Quote from: Radish on September 09, 2008, 12:17:52 AMHow about a Thatched "Rufe" :wacko:
Coffee on the keyboard! ;D :thumbsup:
Terry that is simply inspired !
Ratty, my coffee, has joined yours :blink:
Ian
Quote from: Leigh on September 10, 2008, 06:07:38 PM
don't forget the codpiece!
Methinks the fishing wars against the Spanish Marauders may be taking a rather kinky twist :o :thumbsup:
Bestest.
G
;D :wacko: :thumbsup:
Looking for inspiration to paint her :blink:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Francis-drake-galleon-southwark-london-uk.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Brixham.hind.750pix.jpg
Please, help me with suggestions, profiles, comments, etc...
Either one of those ships paintjobs would fit the bill, Carlos. If you wanted to use the last one, perhaps an overall black scheme with the colored bits on the leading edge of the wings and tail and maybe on top the fuselage?
:cheers:
Brian da Basher
I think it needs heraldry. Never mind roundals on the wings, give it a coat of arms! Then match the colours to the coat of arms. Oh - and for real elizabethan visuals - diamond pane glass work.
Hell yeah, stained glass on the rear cockpit glass! Black basecoat, plus the decorative markings on the leading edges of the wings. You could also trail them down from the antiglare patch on the nose, leading edges of the empennage, and other such. But definately, a stained glass pattern on the rear cockpit glass would look so definately cool. Give it a metal framing on the remainder of the glass as well.
As to the heraldry thought, that's not a bad idea, though perhaps some sign of alleigance to the Crown as well. After all, it just wouldn't do to have a man fighting the Spanish on his own name, it just wouldn't be "For Queen and Country" after all.
Like the above ideas a lot! Maybe an overall "British Crimson" :thumbsup:
I didn't mean it to have individual heraldry, I was meaning it should bear the King's coat of arms on it instead of conventional national insignia.
The Queen's coat instead of roundels, and the Cross of St George on the tail fin!
ok, ysi! me likey! :cheers:
just one thing, here's an important image to remember when talking about elizabethan spitfires.....
http://www.ahoy.tk-jk.net/MoreImages2/LordHowardOfEffinghamEarlOfNottingham.jpg (http://www.ahoy.tk-jk.net/MoreImages2/LordHowardOfEffinghamEarlOfNottingham.jpg)
and if the link works, its not me just my hero! :thumbsup:
On the subject of stained glass, perhaps a completely different, "many-flat-panels" canopy would be more appropriate than the Spit's blown bubble. Something like a Hurricane, perhaps? If you're having the blown bubble, how about having it made of actual blown glass, i.e. putting a big circular mark on it, like a glass fishing float? ;D
On colours, I can only concur with the others. One suggestion: how about a slogan, something like "For God and Queen Bess!" You could paint a brass panel on the side and them do a decal in an "engraved" style font.
Ysi, I'd pick the Golden Hind scheme with the red and the yellow. That swirly pattern along the top of the poop deck is just screaming to work its way onto the rudder or along the length of the fuselage. The pattern over the windows would be great around a nice red spinner. The diagonal stripes would be fitting along the backside of the wing, on the ailerons and such. I wouldn't make the whole aircraft black, maybe just the tail or the rear half of the aircraft, like many WWI schemes. Consider a pattern from the period for the rest of the aircraft (like the vest in this one (http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/TudorSeated.jpg), although it's technically Tudor), or maybe just that maple color on the masts.
Take a look at these modern aircraft to see those sorts of outlandish patterns done well.
http://www.myaviation.net/search/photo_search.php?id=01425821 (http://www.myaviation.net/search/photo_search.php?id=01425821)
http://www.myaviation.net/search/photo_search.php?id=01425816 (http://www.myaviation.net/search/photo_search.php?id=01425816)
I'll see if I can't mock up a scheme along those lines sometime over the next few days.
Logan Hartke
Here's a very rough example of what I'm talking about.
Logan Hartke
Very Fracking cool. That is fracking awesome, man. There aren't enough expletives to define just how cool that looks. Damn cool job Logan. The next step would be figuring out a means to create the raised framing on the window. Possibly 28ga wire might be a good applicable choice. From there, you could go with some Vallejo Acrylic transparent colours (they work real nice, I'll have to snap a photo of something else I'm working on that I used them with for a cool effect) to create your stained glass effect.
That may be "just a rough profile" Logan, but it's my favorite of all I've seen you do yet! The rose markings on the wings and fuse are perfect!
:thumbsup:
Brian da Basher
Very creative and unique. You've got a real winner here.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Ed
Man, that looks so good I want to build a spit in those colours. That just looks too damn cool for school.
Thanks for all of the kind words, guys. I'll try to give you a more polished example tomorrow if I have the time. We still have yet to see if ysi cares for it, however.
Quote from: Brian da Basher on September 24, 2008, 05:12:18 PM
The rose markings on the wings and fuse are perfect!
Did you notice the other rose, too? If you look at the spinner and the cowling, the rotating spinner and five stationary green leaves should form another rose as well, when viewed from the front. Sort of my English 16th century take on the German WWII spinners.
By the way, you can't really tell it in the low-quality jpg that I was restricted to use due to size restrictions, but that tan color on the fuselage is actually a texture. It is intended to look similar to this, almost like a wood grain.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fz.about.com%2Fd%2Fmilitaryhistory%2F1%2F0%2Fr%2F2%2F-%2F-%2FFokkerDr1.jpg&hash=e70fe1a1bebce3e20bed048af45f9a97f0301f9c)
Logan Hartke
Nice Profile logan! those are some cool russian jets too. Can't wait to see how this turns out :thumbsup:
Quote from: Logan Hartke on September 24, 2008, 06:16:29 PM
Thanks for all of the kind words, guys. I'll try to give you a more polished example tomorrow if I have the time. We still have yet to see if ysi cares for it, however.
Quote from: Brian da Basher on September 24, 2008, 05:12:18 PM
The rose markings on the wings and fuse are perfect!
Did you notice the other rose, too? If you look at the spinner and the cowling, the rotating spinner and five stationary green leaves should form another rose as well, when viewed from the front. Sort of my English 16th century take on the German WWII spinners.
By the way, you can't really tell it in the low-quality jpg that I was restricted to use due to size restrictions, but that tan color on the fuselage is actually a texture. It is intended to look similar to this, almost like a wood grain.
Logan Hartke
Hi Logan,
Thank you very much for your wonderful profile. :bow: :bow:
Of course you can create any wonder designs and post them here or where ever. But my skills are limited and I probably will not be able to make justice to your work. Anyway, from your work I can take some good ideas that I think I can do in 3D styrene:
Victory markings over spanish planes (cool).
Red/yellow frieze (beautiful).
Wood texture (pure genius): it can be done with a first layer of light brown and a second with teinted varnish (It is difficult but I will try).
The rose in the spinner. The other roses are more difficult and I will paint only St George crosses, I think.
Can you add some gold details: antenae, scoops, canopy framing, leading edges, or so?
Can you try some other base colors? For instance, dark bright green (the color of the old locomotives) is known as "english green", here in Spain. Also dark bright blue.
Thanks,
Carlos.
Ysi,
I'm glad you liked it. I can make whatever changes you'd like to represent the look of your model. I'll change some of the things (Cannons, scoops, antennae, and such) to gold on the profile. Would you rather the canopy framing be red or gold? I got the red inspiration from the crow's nest on the Golden Hind. I will change the markings to St George crosses. How do you want those? In a square? In a flag-proportioned rectangle? In a white roundel? Other?
As for the other colors, is this what you mean by the green?
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.davelevy.net%2Fimages%2FPrettyLoco.jpg&hash=53b1c4060a927d9562801dfa1ae03f35e8edc1b4)
Also, where do you want the blue and green, respectively?
Logan Hartke
For that "dark bright English Green" (love that description BTW ;D :thumbsup:), you might also look at British Racing Green: the colour of old British sports cars. It's maybe a little darker than that loco, but not by much.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_racing_green
^^^^ Yeah, this is the colour I mean. :thumbsup:
Hi Logan, I have sent you a PM. :thumbsup:
Got it, ysi. Here's the aircraft with your recommendations. The flag design is historical, too. (http://tmg110.tripod.com/british1.htm)
Logan Hartke
Nothing short of just plain OUTSTANDING!
:o Ooooh this is looking brilliant! And I am enjoing this team design very much! :thumbsup:
Thanks a lot Logan. I hope you enjoy this too.
Some comments:
St George crosses are just perfect.
I see your historical point but I am not sure from an aesthetical point of view. Lets people give us their opinion, before deciding :cheers:
IMO, engine cover should be metalic, what about bare aluminium colour, like a shield?
Red/yellow frieze only in all control surfaces?
Some points not seen in my pic:
I think that using P-40 nose, ventral radiator is not needed anymore. But some experts here can correct me.
;D And last, the :blink: BOMB :blink:
-- noise of drums --
This Spitfire will have SPATS (please, take them from an Stuka profile. Hub-caps gold or brass)
Quote from: ysi_maniac on September 25, 2008, 10:31:15 AM
:o Ooooh this is looking brilliant! And I am enjoing this team design very much! :thumbsup:
Thanks a lot Logan. I hope you enjoy this too.
Thanks, yeah I am enjoying it.
Quote from: ysi_maniac on September 25, 2008, 10:31:15 AM
Red/yellow frieze only in all control surfaces?
Can you be more specific? Do you want the diagonal red/yellow stripes? If so, where? The yellow swirly pattern on red? If so, where?
Quote from: ysi_maniac on September 25, 2008, 10:31:15 AM
This Spitfire will have SPATS (please, take them from an Stuka profile)
Ju 87A, B or D?
Logan Hartke
Hi,
Stuka B, I think.
Leave yellow/red stripes in ailerons, flaps, tail plane, rudder (swirly is too difficult for me to paint).
BTW, this night I will look in my spare decals and if I find some suitable heraldry I will post to add it in tail fin perhaps.
Thanks a lot for your patience :thumbsup: :cheers:
After revisions...
Logan Hartke
Looks great, really
:wub: :wub: :wub:
WWWOOOWWW :bow: :bow: :bow:
The bad side is: Will I make justice to your design? :banghead: :blink:
I will try :thumbsup:
Hi Gang:
I want your comments about the different bits that Logan had brilliantly gathered here. I am partucularly interested in your opinion about green strips (please read above posts). And whatever you want to say.
Thanks to all of you. :thumbsup:
Oh yes!!! That last profile of Logan's looks like a killer concept! Especially the spats!
:wub: :wub: :wub:
Go with it Carlos!
:thumbsup:
Brian da Basher
Quote from: ysi_maniac on September 25, 2008, 12:18:04 PM
Hi Gang:
I want your comments about the different bits that Logan had brilliantly gathered here. I am partucularly interested in your opinion about green strips (please read above posts). And whatever you want to say.
Thanks to all of you. :thumbsup:
I understand that the green stripes are historical, but from an aesthetic point of view, the many different sections of different colours could make it look a bit "bitty", particularly on the fuselage.
ALSO
You mentioned the engine cowling being bare aluminium: since aluminium wasn't used in those days, perhaps Brass or Steel would be more appropriate? Humbrol do a Metalcoat Steel that I'll be trying in the next few days - check the Migina 1 thread for results.
Quote from: Weaver on September 26, 2008, 05:36:25 AM
You mentioned the engine cowling being bare aluminium: since aluminium wasn't used in those days, perhaps Brass or Steel would be more appropriate?
:lol: You are right. The same for the spats: there were not retractable undercarriages in 17th century. ;D
Quote
Humbrol do a Metalcoat Steel that I'll be trying in the next few days - check the Migina 1 thread for results.
I have used it in the past. The result is outstanding, as you can see in this pic
>You mentioned the engine cowling being bare aluminium: since aluminium wasn't used in those days, perhaps Brass or Steel would be more appropriate?<
I think you have to suspend disbelief for so MUCH of this "Elizabethan Spitfire" that "minor" things like whether aluminum existed really don't matter. I mean, after all, this has a COMBUSTION engine of supremely high power and compactness that could not even be fathomed in the early 20th century, much less the 17th. There is antenna wire for RADIO, there is CLEAR PERSPEX, and aerodynamism everywhere. There are repeating firearms. There is RUBBER for tyres, etc. So the "Elizabethan Spitfire" has to have been the product of considerable metallurgical progress. Brass or steel would have been WAAAY to heavy to have been practical.
So I think "we" have to consider the DECORATION aspect only, and leave the metallurgy out of it for the time being!
It's a fun concept, fer shure!
Sequoia is right, we should avoid too much argument over the details, for starters.
Engine cowling - would look interesting in NMF, could also be done in black.
Spats - I'd suggest black instead of the red at the join, so they blend nicely with the wings.
St George Crosses - beautifully done, though part of me mourns that they overlap the yellow/red banding, but it would interrupt the flow on those.
Green-white banding - The green should likely be left to a less present colour, and notably on the wings they don't seem to add very much in my opinion. With the crosses in WW1 style wrapped bands around the wing surface, the stripes should be deleted to keep it to such a clean banded look.
Besides, there are only two obvious means we could have an Elizabethan Spitfire - either a private owner from a Rennaisance Fair decides he wants to produce one, or some form of temporal anomaly pulls a plane and pilot, perhaps more than one, back through time and deposits them in Elizabethan England. Most fortunate indeed that spitfires don't require extremely prepared, paved, ever so meticulously handled airfields, I say. And to that, there is only one other word.... Zipang!
Quote from: Sauragnmon on September 26, 2008, 12:59:14 PM
St George Crosses - beautifully done, though part of me mourns that they overlap the yellow/red banding, but it would interrupt the flow on those.
Yeah, a piece of me died when I lost the full-length bands. If they made my rose decals and I could pick the configuration I liked best (but still working with ysi's engine modification), aesthetically, I think that mine would look like this:
Logan Hartke
Whoa there chaps! I had no intention of getting all JMN about metallurgy: I was simply suggesting alternative engine cowling colours together with a thin veneer of a rationale for them! This Spitfire does, after all, have a WOODEN coloured fuselage....... :rolleyes:
Steel engine cowling: similar look to aluminium, but darker, and maybe a bit more variable, since it would be VERY thin for weight reasons. It might well discolour in blue and/or straw shades around hotspots too.
Polished brass or copper: need I say more? :wub: :wub: :wub:
Logan, nice work on the profiles.
Carlos, great idea for your spitfire! I'm really looking forward to seeing it completed. :thumbsup:
Now I'm thinking I'd like to get back to work on my Crusader Spit that I never finished.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdoomisland.com%2Fimages%2Fmodels%2Fcrusades%2Fspitfire2.jpg&hash=c8ec75572b417f7722b31ea0ce8aecaa7a78208e)
This is where I left it hanging :blink:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdoomisland.com%2Fimages%2Fquick_photos%2Fbasecoat.jpg&hash=708981ad0e3e96fa4c74b82d7e80b0bf3418b712)
I'm such a slacker! :banghead:
Looking good. When I first saw this thread topic though, I thought someone was going to Steampunk a Spitfire.
Regards,
Greg
Does someone make the appropriate markings that could be applied to a model, or are we talking two-dimensional whif only (pretty picture)?
The "Crusader Spitfire" looks do-able. Even I have some heraldry decals I picked up somewhere with lions like that (if I recall correctly---been a long time).
The intricate designs of the "Elizabethan Spitfire" look magnificent and colorful in the profile, but, other than meticulous painting by hand, how would such designs actually get put onto a model??
Kudos to the modeler that does it!
Just remembered: you can get heraldic clip-art here:
http://www.heraldicclipart.com/catalog/index6.html
So if you fancy producing your own decals............. :thumbsup:
In all truth, I'd go for black from the vertical diamond band, Merlin engine, Ventral radiator, pure stock design, as if she was Zipanged out of '42 right into the Elizabethan era, and bedecked in Elizabethan colours. Perhaps the wood could be explained as being field repairs, who knows, with a finely hammered cowling over the engine... oo I do like that...
Quote from: Sauragnmon on September 28, 2008, 02:50:14 PM
...Merlin engine, Ventral radiator, pure stock design, as if she was Zipanged out of '42 right into the Elizabethan era, and bedecked in Elizabethan colours.
Same, for pure aesthetics. But kitbanging is rightfully encouraged for GBs and I'm glad to see Ysi doing something unique.
Logan Hartke
Unique is a good term. Wonderful design, btw, Logan and Ysi. :thumbsup:
So much visual goodness going on here. :wub: Nicely hammered copper foil...? :wub:
I get my adhesive backed copper foil in different widths at Hobby Lobby, in the stained glass section.
If you don't put a clear cote on it it patinas very realistically, cause it really is copper.
Ti Raven
update pics ...
lookin' good Carlos! :thumbsup: That new front end really changes the looks quite a bit. I swear that intake is smiling at me ;D
Quote from: BlackOps on October 03, 2008, 08:34:08 AM
lookin' good Carlos! :thumbsup: That new front end really changes the looks quite a bit. I swear that intake is smiling at me ;D
It does! ;D
Finished
more pics ...
Very, very nice, ysi. It certainly brings its own unique character to a terribly common airframe. Great execution of a truly original concept.
Logan Hartke
wow, now that is one sexy looking spitfire :wub:
more then outstanding work there, my friend :thumbsup:
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Outstanding........ Is that wood grain?
Bonkers :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:
Quote from: jorel62 on November 10, 2008, 07:15:05 AM
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Outstanding........ Is that wood grain?
It should look like, if I did it well.
BTW: Read this thread for more info
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,14387.0.html
WOW! That is one good looking Spitfire. Definitely not boring gray.
Ed
Y'know, for all it's barmy, I can really see that flying around in my mind's eye, and boy does it look good doing it! :wub: :wub: :wub:
Well built, well painted and well dreamed - nice one, Carlos! :drink: :party: :thumbsup:
Nice to see this one done, really nice! :thumbsup: Carlos, the whole build is cool but the paint really sets it off!
Without a doubt my favorite Ysi build of all-time! The woodgrain, the markings, the P-40 nose, the spats, it all adds up to a masterpiece!!!
:wub: :bow: :wub: :bow: :wub:
Brian da Basher
:thumbsup: ysi.... Danged fine work! Very nice final pix, sir!
Inspired! :wub:
Thanks a lot people.
To be honest I have to share a great part of the credit with Logan Hartke :thumbsup: :cheers:
Carlos,
I am quite surprised at how well your P-40 engine cowling was able to blend with the fuselage of the Spitfire. It sure does give it a much different appearance.
Now you only concern is the buzzing noise. Is it another aircraft or termites :^)
Looks just right, Carlos. You sure can build (and paint) 'em!!! :thumbsup: