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Title: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on August 10, 2008, 05:57:35 AM
An agreement between the Falkland Islands and  Argentina had set the terms for exploitation of offshore resources including large oil reserves, however, in 2007 Argentina unilaterally withdrew from the agreement. In response, Falklands Oil and Gas Limited has signed an agreement with BHP Billiton to investigate the potential exploitation of oil reserves.
In December 2008 larger than expected oil reserves were discovered. Immediately the Argentine Government claimed all deposits up to 200 miles from it's coast. This led to the British Government counterclaiming that all deposits up to 200 miles from the Falklands belonged to Britain. As the Falkland Islands are only 300 miles from the Argentinean coast this left the largest of the deposits in dispute. Seeing that the situation could very quickly deteriorate and another war ensue and suspecting that the islands will never see any monies from the discoveries. The Executive Council, advises the Governor that the islands were declaring independence from the UK and that the Chief Executive of the Council would act as president until elections could be held.
The British Government gambled and tried to influence the the Executive Council by withdrawing military support. Unmoved the newly formed Falkland Islands Government looked for arms and equipment to protect their assets. The British government not wishing to loose face by giving in to the Islanders, but also no wishing to loose any chance of getting it's hands on the oil covertly started making deals to aid the Islands government. It's first move was to secretly broker a deal between the the hard up Zimbabwean government to sell the Islands 6 Britt-Norman BN-2A Islanders and 12 BAE Hawks.
At the same time British companies made deals to convert the Islanders to Defenders and 3 of the Islanders to AEW/MR aircraft and to service and equip the Hawks with sidewinders and the ability to carry and fire the Sea Eagle anti shipping missile. The work was undertaken at Mount Pleasant Airfield. Rather coincidentally a number of RAF pilots and personnel left the service and a week later enrolled in the newly formed air arm of the FIDF Falkland Islands Defense Force.
With in nine weeks the first aircraft and personnel were undertaking training missions, ready to defend the oilfields.

A whole airforce can be spawned from this idea. So first up will be one of the BAE hawks equipped with a Sea Eagle antishipping missile. For this I'm using this kit, which was given to me by Bex (bexwh773). Someone has started it and lost the decals. No problem as I will need to source some special decals for it.
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Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: The Rat on August 10, 2008, 07:43:24 AM
Methinks some of the more determined folks here will be burning the midnight oil coming up with FIDF markings for you. And someone really ought to be tasked to build the Defenders!

Keep in mind that they might have to fight the Rayador (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,8352.msg111080.html#msg111080).  ;D
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: AeroplaneDriver on August 10, 2008, 08:37:20 AM
Great backstory!  I'll be watching this one with interest Bex.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on August 10, 2008, 08:41:58 AM
Quote from: AeroplaneDriver on August 10, 2008, 08:37:20 AM
Great backstory!  I'll be watching this one with interest Bex.   :thumbsup:
Try Mish  ;D
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: AeroplaneDriver on August 10, 2008, 08:49:29 AM
I jsut realised what I had typed, but was too late to edit without embarassment!!  Duh!!   :banghead: :lol:
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Rafael on August 10, 2008, 08:53:45 AM
Again, this is stirring my interest :wub: :thumbsup:

Lots of things could come out from this scenario and build.

Rafa
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: sotoolslinger on August 10, 2008, 09:05:25 AM
Neato Mish. I have always liked that aircraft. Looking forward to seeing this progress.
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on August 11, 2008, 08:19:39 AM
Made a start on the Hawk today a basic kit this one is.
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Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: John Howling Mouse on August 11, 2008, 07:14:10 PM
Watching with great interest as this kit has been collecting dust on my shelf for years.  Please keep us updated with in-progress pics and your assessment of the kit.

The backstory is a clever concept, too.  So, which one of you hogs the most workbench space, anyhow?
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on August 11, 2008, 10:39:57 PM
Quote from: John Howling Mouse on August 11, 2008, 07:14:10 PM
....So, which one of you hogs the most workbench space, anyhow?
Sorry John
I don't understand
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: bexwh773 on August 14, 2008, 05:49:03 AM
Quote from: Big Bird on August 11, 2008, 10:39:57 PM
Quote from: John Howling Mouse on August 11, 2008, 07:14:10 PM
....So, which one of you hogs the most workbench space, anyhow?
Sorry John
I don't understand

Its very simple Sis, but, alas I forgot you live in St Neots (Snots :lol:  )  What JHM is asking, is which one of us hogs the work bench as I dont think he realised that you live 200 miles away from Sunny Gatwick  :wacko:

I must say, your back story is very intriging and has a very wide scope for crazy ideas  :thumbsup:

Bex
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on August 14, 2008, 06:17:24 AM
Ahh right, well it's only about 140 miles actually.
So different benches.  ;D
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: sotoolslinger on August 14, 2008, 10:07:48 AM
Hey Big Bird. I found that exact kit at my LHS yesterday. Still haven't decided how I will bastardize mine yet ;D But be assured it will be Texican :wacko:  Mine may also end up as a space ship :o :blink:
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Martin H on August 14, 2008, 03:07:51 PM
Quote from: sotoolslinger on August 14, 2008, 10:07:48 AM
Hey Big Bird. I found that exact kit at my LHS yesterday. Still haven't decided how I will bastardize mine yet ;D But be assured it will be Texican :wacko:  Mine may also end up as a space ship :o :blink:

How about a USAF T-45, with out all the navy gear.   Could realy confuse joe public at any show lol
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on August 15, 2008, 07:21:49 AM
A bit more on the Hawk today. Looks like I have myself a filler queen.
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Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: sotoolslinger on August 15, 2008, 09:18:26 AM
Glad you posted that Mish >:( Now I know what to expect :banghead: :banghead:
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on August 16, 2008, 07:31:41 AM
Decided to do a bit of sanding, filling, sanding, filling, sanding filling I think you get the picture ;D
So now nice and smooth and ready for a bit more construction.
I've also just worked out that she is a tail sitter and I have forgot to put any nose weights in  :banghead:
I think I will be able to pour some lead shot in through the cockpit as long as I can get hold of some.
Today's work in pics:
Fist session of sanding
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After the fourth session.
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Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: sotoolslinger on August 16, 2008, 07:50:34 AM
Putty, sand, repeat :banghead: :banghead: I don't think oob builds are supposed to look like one of my kitbashes :blink:
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on August 23, 2008, 04:24:59 AM
Had an argument wit photo hosting company. I'm in the middle of repairing threads across four forums. Please bear with me.
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on August 23, 2008, 05:54:35 AM
Fixed all the photo links now.
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: sotoolslinger on August 23, 2008, 05:57:21 AM
More ,More ;D love your stuff :wub:
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: John Howling Mouse on August 23, 2008, 08:08:39 AM
Quote from: bexwh773 on August 14, 2008, 05:49:03 AM
Quote from: Big Bird on August 11, 2008, 10:39:57 PM
Quote from: John Howling Mouse on August 11, 2008, 07:14:10 PM
....So, which one of you hogs the most workbench space, anyhow?
Sorry John
I don't understand

Its very simple Sis, but, alas I forgot you live in St Neots (Snots :lol:  )  What JHM is asking, is which one of us hogs the work bench as I dont think he realised that you live 200 miles away from Sunny Gatwick  :wacko:

I must say, your back story is very intriging and has a very wide scope for crazy ideas  :thumbsup:

Bex

Sorry, yes, from the pics of Bex's model-filled home, I figured the two of you built side-by-side like the two model-building brothers over on Swanny's site (who recently built a pair of the same model subject simultaneously and had all of us try to guess which model was being built by which brother).  Anyhow, back to your fine build, er, model!   -_-
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on August 24, 2008, 07:11:10 AM
Air intakes on, more gaps
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Another poorly fitting piece
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And that is light you can see under the tail
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More filler.
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Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: BlackOps on August 24, 2008, 08:26:38 AM
This one sure has an appetite for putty!  :o   Looks like your keeping things under control rather well considering the amount of PSR required.
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on August 24, 2008, 11:53:36 AM
Whilst watching the TV I did a bit of sanding. A little more filler required on the fuselage, just to fill a couple of indents.
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Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: sotoolslinger on August 25, 2008, 05:41:40 AM
Yep ,definite putty sucker. ;D good work  fixing this monster :wub:
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on September 05, 2008, 10:49:32 AM
I was going to post this second part of my back story nearer the end of the build. Alas I've had to but this build on the back burner while I finish a couple of others for various Group Builds.
Anyway just to keep your interests perked here is part two.

The Shooting War

19th February 2009

The BHP Billiton exploration platform Oasis 11 180 miles west of West of West Falkland.
For three days now the Argentinean Navy ship ARA La Argentina the second ship of the MEKO 360H2 series of four destroyers built for the Argentine Navy. Designated as a Almirante Brown class destroyer by the Argentineans had be sailing dangerously close to the platform. Each time she had be warned by the platforms radio operators and by FIDF AEW/MR Brit Norman Defender not to approach the platform and to stay out of Falkland territorial waters each time the warning went unheeded and unanswered. Today the the situation changed as she sail around the platform La Argentina trained her Otobreda 127/54 Compact 5 inch dual purpose gun
And her 8  Breda/Bofors 40 mm L/70 anti-aircraft guns on the platform,  before sailing away. The fact was reported back to Falkland Islands Government. The FIDF reacted immediately by maintaining  continuous patrol in the area with its 3 AEW/MR equipped Defenders and put its Sea Eagle equipped BAE Hawks on QRA alert.
At 15:03 the Defender callsign Spiker 15 contacted FIDF HQ at Mount Stanley airfield that it had a surface contact and had electronically identified it as the La Atgentina.
Spiker 15 broadcast a warning to all shipping to stay out of Falkland Island territorial waters. La Argentina continued on her course heading straight for Oasis 11.
Back at Mount Pleasant the QRA Hawk was scrambled.

Squadron Leader Matt Cooper took off in his BAE Hawk callsign Thatcher 1 with his 'back seater' Weapons Systems Operator Flight Lieutenant Gary Floyd and climbed to 15,000 foot where Gary contacted Spiker 15 and received data via the secure battle field data systems that vectored them towards the surface contact.
On their left  left wing they carry a BAE Sea Eagle antishipping missile, on the right wing they carried a long range fuel tank. They are running of this now as if they had to fire the missile they would have to jettison it as the asymmetric load on the aircraft would be too great. As they crossed the coast of West Falkland Spiker 15 gave them a verbal sitrep and a new vector via the data link. The contact was maintaining it's course and speed and in 10 minutes it would be inside territorial waters.
At 15:57 Spiker 15 ordered Thatcher 1 via the data link to descend to 1000 foot. Matt descended through the cloud and Matt and Gary saw the grey waters of the South Atlantic.
At 16:09 Spiker 15 called and told them the surface contact was now inside territorial waters, had not responded to warnings and was now considered hostile. They were cleared to go weapons live.
Gary run through his missile systems check, armed the missile and reported to Spiker 15 he was ready to fire. Spiker 15 acknowledged and they received an updated vector. 30 seconds later Spiker 15 called and told him to fire the missile. Gary 'pickled off' the missile and watched as it dropped away from his wing, ignited and speeding away and dropping to 60 foot above the ocean. He signalled Spiker 15 to reported weapon away. Spiker 15 acknowledged and the data link gave him a vector for home Matt turned the aircraft.
The shooting war had begun.

I plan in a later build to make Spiker 15 from an Airfix 1:72 Islander/Defender kit.

Where this story goes next I have no idea. Hope you like it
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: sotoolslinger on September 05, 2008, 01:56:20 PM
Very thrilling Sis :wub: Nice backstory :thumbsup: Waiting for the next installment( and more pics) :party:
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Howard of Effingham on September 06, 2008, 06:01:48 AM
 :wub: mish knows i like this one!  :wub:

and she's brave using the premier kit!

anyhow me and my friend phoenix 54 were wondering, are you arming it in the same way that say 151 sqn hawks
were armed in the 1980's, 30mm aden cannon and 2 off AIM-9, or going for a 21st century fit of say same gun and
4 off AIM-132 ASRAAM?  :thumbsup:

trevor
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on September 06, 2008, 07:42:10 AM
Thanks for the comments.
Due to the special nature of this Hawks mission she will only be armed with one Sea Eagle antishipping missile. Future hawks I haven't made my mind up on yet. Not sure how these Hawks which are basically T1 standard would work in the air to air role having to suitable radar.

Anyway a little more done today. Tailplanes added, as were the wing fences and the airbrake. Unfortunately the airbrake needs a bit of filler...  :banghead:
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Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Weaver on September 06, 2008, 07:28:22 PM
Good story BB -  :thumbsup:

One small point: I know I've seen artwork, and possibly a photograph, showing a Hawk carrying Sea Eagle on the centreline. Use that plus two (possibly smaller) drop tanks, and you lose the asymetric load problem.
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: GTX on September 06, 2008, 07:46:10 PM
Quote from: Weaver on September 06, 2008, 07:28:22 PM
Good story BB -  :thumbsup:

One small point: I know I've seen artwork, and possibly a photograph, showing a Hawk carrying Sea Eagle on the centreline. Use that plus two (possibly smaller) drop tanks, and you lose the asymetric load problem.

That would be these:

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Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Weaver on September 07, 2008, 05:14:29 AM
Cheers G :thumbsup:

I found my artwork: it was in a Bill Gunston book called Warplanes of the Future, published in the mid-'80s. According to the Hawk entry, BAe were claiming that a Hawk 200 could carry THREE Sea Eagles 620 miles, or one plus two drop tanks 900-odd miles.... :blink:
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on September 10, 2008, 03:54:06 AM
Great guys, many thanks. Looks like I will have to rewrite that bit of the story.
Anyone any idea if there is a single seat Hawk 100 kit out there. Or what would be involved in converting a T2 kit?
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Weaver on September 10, 2008, 04:41:50 AM
Quote from: Big Bird on September 10, 2008, 03:54:06 AM
Great guys, many thanks. Looks like I will have to rewrite that bit of the story.
Anyone any idea if there is a single seat Hawk 100 kit out there. Or what would be involved in converting a T2 kit?

Airfix do a Hawk 100 in 1/48th.

Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on September 10, 2008, 08:43:16 AM
Quote from: Weaver on September 10, 2008, 04:41:50 AM
Quote from: Big Bird on September 10, 2008, 03:54:06 AM
Great guys, many thanks. Looks like I will have to rewrite that bit of the story.
Anyone any idea if there is a single seat Hawk 100 kit out there. Or what would be involved in converting a T2 kit?

Airfix do a Hawk 100 in 1/48th.


Cool, thanks, I will have to look out for one
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Thorvic on September 10, 2008, 09:51:18 AM
The single seater is the Hawk 200 Mish and is done as a conversion of the airfix kit by Neomega (not sure on availability however)

Cheers

Geoff
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: ysi_maniac on September 10, 2008, 10:13:14 AM
Should I see a pic ????? :blink:
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: lancer on September 10, 2008, 11:39:47 AM
You can also get the old Matchbox 1:72nd Hawk 200 kit, normally from e-bay, but I suppose any second hand kit dealer might have them.
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on September 12, 2008, 02:55:01 AM
Thanks guys, I have found the conversion kit http://www.neomega-resin.com/hawk.htm (http://www.neomega-resin.com/hawk.htm)
I think now I can move on with the story.
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: sotoolslinger on September 12, 2008, 06:44:47 AM
I am enjoying this one very much BB  ;D It doesn't look like your having just a whole bunch of fun  :banghead: :banghead: But great job. Looking forward to seeing this loaded out :wacko:
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on October 22, 2008, 08:40:34 AM
Sorry I haven't been around here much folks. Also there is no progress to report on Hawk. I got fed up with filling and sanding and I got caught up in a multitude of Group Builds for other forums.
What I have progressed with is collecting models for this project.
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One Hawk with Neomega resin convertion to Hawk 200
One Hawk for stopgap ADF duties
Islander/Defender for AEW/MR duties
And the Learjet will be turned into a Electronic Reconnaissance aircraft.
I still need to buy/acquire a Huey UH-1H as a SAR helo.
The other thing I've been working on is the 'back story' but I'm unsure where to post it Alternative History per chance?
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Damian2 on October 22, 2008, 01:03:34 PM
Its Big Bird!!! Long time no see!!! :D

For all the whining that goes on at other sites about the Airfix Hawk its really quiet a nice little kit.

Here's my Mk.108 "missionised" Hawk 100

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D
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: MartG on October 23, 2008, 03:27:53 AM
Quote from: Big Bird on September 06, 2008, 07:42:10 AM
Not sure how these Hawks which are basically T1 standard would work in the air to air role having to suitable radar.

IIRC the RAF developed tactics where a pair of Sidewinder armed Hawk T.1 worked in a team with a Tornado F.2 and were guided to their targets by the Tornado's backseater until they were in visual range - basically the Tornado acted as a mini-AWACS
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Weaver on October 23, 2008, 04:00:11 AM
Quote from: MartG on October 23, 2008, 03:27:53 AM
Quote from: Big Bird on September 06, 2008, 07:42:10 AM
Not sure how these Hawks which are basically T1 standard would work in the air to air role having to suitable radar.

IIRC the RAF developed tactics where a pair of Sidewinder armed Hawk T.1 worked in a team with a Tornado F.2 and were guided to their targets by the Tornado's backseater until they were in visual range - basically the Tornado acted as a mini-AWACS

I tried that tactic ("MFF": Mixed Fighter Force) several times while playing Harpoon - it works a treat! Bandit goes high, he stops a Sparrow/Skyflash the hard way, bandit goes low, he gets a Hawk up his chuff..... :wacko:
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on October 23, 2008, 04:13:16 AM
Thanks guys, yes I have heard of this tactic and remember it being reported in the press.
I have the AEW islanders and when I bring in the Hawk 200 I can have a MFF type setup with the AEW islanders controlling the whole battle.
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on November 24, 2008, 11:17:55 AM
I've dug this one up again.
All sanding done. I've pinched a couple of Phantom pilots for it. I'm wondering whether to do it wheels up or down now.
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I've got myself some decal paper so soon i will have a go at making some decals for it.
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Brian da Basher on November 24, 2008, 12:58:38 PM
Great to see you back at the bench, Big Bird!

My vote is for wheels up. This way, your Hawk can swoop down on its target from the ceiling for added realism! Secondly, gear up is simpler and will probably be more fun!

Whatever you decide, I will enjoy seeing the final results!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Brian da Basher
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: sotoolslinger on November 24, 2008, 01:10:48 PM
Yea Big Bird is back.  ;D I vote wheels up :rolleyes: I likes my planes flyin :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on November 24, 2008, 01:21:38 PM
I'm thinking of having it flying over the sea as it's going to be having a Sea Eagle hanging under it.
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on December 09, 2008, 09:13:39 AM
I'm going with wheels up.
Now the U/C doors don't fit so in goes the filler!
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Fun huh?
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: sotoolslinger on December 09, 2008, 10:22:58 AM
As Saur would say your putty fu is strong :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on December 10, 2008, 11:42:42 AM
And on we go...
More filler
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And sanded
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A it more sanding, a few little bits to stick on. Then paint the crew, canopy on and I can start painting.
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Brian da Basher on December 10, 2008, 01:57:06 PM
Quote from: sotoolslinger on December 09, 2008, 10:22:58 AM
As Saur would say your putty fu is strong :thumbsup:

I think her "sanding-fu" is stronger. ;)

Great to see this project back on track, Big Bird. Looks like PSR to perfection!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Brian da Basher
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on December 11, 2008, 10:45:07 AM
A small amount of work today.
Stores pylons, and a few smaller bits stuck on, canopy dipped in Klear and have started painting the crew.
Also the Sea Eagle and underwing fuel tank have been dug out from the spares box and built.
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Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on December 11, 2008, 04:16:19 PM
Part 3 of the story, Sorry it has taken so long.

Regrets and Repercussions

As Thatcher 1 turned and made her way back towards Mount Pleasant Matt jettisoned his long range tank and immediately noticed the improved handling of his hawk. There was no 'chatter' between Matt and Gary, both of them realised the enormity of their actions. Within a few minutes Matt received a message from Spiker 1, the voice of the operator was excited. "Thatcher 1 you've done it, we've heard a Mayday from the contact, she has multiple fires is listing badly and all hands are abandoning the ship". Matt just acknowledged the message. In his back seat Gary couldn't help think of all the men on the ship he had just destroyed.

When they landed at Mount Pleasant they was immediately surrounded my just about everyone on the airfield whooping and hollering. As they got to ground Gary looked at Matt and said "what the hell have we just done"? "Our job Gary, just our job". As both men walked back to 'ops' just about everyone they passed said well done or slapped them on the back. They was met in 'ops' by ex RAF Squadron Leader Peter (Winnie) Winchester.
"Well done guys, were just heard that La Argentina has sunk". "What about the crew sir" Gary asked. "Spiker 1 has seen life rafts in the water and we have despatched a survey ship with some marines onboard to pick them up, I think we'll get there before the Argentineans". Gary nodded as they entered Winnie's off for their debrief.

Out of the crew of 200 on the La Argentina, 54 didn't make it to the life rafts. Most of them was in the battle ops room when the sea eagle struck the ship just above the waterline amidships. The resulting explosion blew a 10 metre hole in the port side of the ship. She immediately listed to port and the fires soon were beyond the ability of the crew to fight them. The captain gave the order to abandon ship.
All the survivors were picked up by the oil survey ship Southern Explorer V and was returned to Port Stanley before being repatriated back home via Chile.

The Argentinean Government protested to anyone that would listen and asked the United Nations Security Council to impose sanctions on the Falkland Isles. In a move that surprised everyone Great Britain used their veto to block the proposed resolution.
Argentina announced to the world they would "sort the matter out themselves".
The Argentinean  Aviación Naval (Naval Aviation) were told to ready Escuadrilla Aeronaval de Exploración P-3B Orions for an aggressive mission.
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on December 13, 2008, 09:18:10 AM
Good progress on the Hawk today.
Canopy masked with Parafilm donated by Peter Marshal. I must say this is easier to use than masking with tape.
I thought I'd have a go a preshading (again). Alas nothing showed through the paint work.
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The camouflage patten just developed as I sprayed
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Right next job is to printout the decals and put a coat of Klear on both.
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on December 13, 2008, 11:03:22 AM
Decals printed out and a coat of Klear on both the decals and the Hawk.
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Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: sotoolslinger on December 13, 2008, 07:07:21 PM
Absolute Beauty ;D :thumbsup: I ALSO learned something , MASK THE CANOPY ,paint ,THEN spray Future :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Thanks :thumbsup: :wub: :bow:
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on December 14, 2008, 07:27:24 AM
Well the hawk is done. I shan't be putting any decent photos up as it's not that good. The kit is rally very good, the canopy doesn't fit too well and the decals are not that brilliant.
However I have used this build as a proof of concept and have learned from it.
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I will build another Hawk in the same colours in due course, in fact I have two more Hawks to build for this project.
However the next build will be:
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Which I want to turn into:
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I'll be starting this in the new year.
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Ed S on December 14, 2008, 07:36:46 AM
It looks pretty good.  Good camo pattern.
:thumbsup:
Ed
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: John Howling Mouse on December 14, 2008, 05:04:17 PM
Quote from: Ed S on December 14, 2008, 07:36:46 AM
It looks pretty good.  Good camo pattern.
:thumbsup:
Ed

Ditto that!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: Big Bird on January 11, 2009, 12:10:22 PM
Part 4 of the story

Retaliation

Carlos Deluna had joined the navy in 1985 and after learning to fly had been posted to the naval exploration squadron where he converted to and started learning the ropes of the P3 Orions. Now he was the deputy squadron commander and the most experienced pilot. Because of this he had been 'selected' for the job of restoring "the honour of the nation" as he superiors had put it.
Carlos never joined the Navy to fight, his plan was to learn to fly, convert to multi engine and then after a few years in his logbook to leave and sign up with an airline. However he found he enjoyed his life in the navy and the fishery surveillance, ice monitoring and other scientific missions he got to fly on. So he stayed and carved himself a nice cushy job. Now here he was flying into a war zone, his aircraft hastily converted to carry and fire Harpoon anti shipping missiles. The conversion hadn't taken long as the aircraft had been supplied with harpoon fitment, but over the years it had not been used and scientific equipment installed.
Carlos spoke to his navigator Jaun "As soon at were 180 miles from the target let the tactical guys know".
"Okay boss" came the reply.
"Tactical, as soon as the navigator lets you know were at maximin range of the weapons launch four blind, let the on board radar do the work, we don't want to be in range of their fighter cover for any longer than we need to".
"Roger sir".

At the same time Jane Simpson was flying her Huey A1H out to the Sunset 1 production platform. A routine run for her, spare parts and the mail out and return mail back. The Sunset 1 platform was at the northern most end of the oil fields and close enough to the mainland for Jane to get to in the Huey. The Huey was a relic from the past that had been retired from service on the islands in the 80's Jane and her husband, Ian had come to the island to buy and strip the Huey down and take it back to England where they planned to see if they could restore it and put it on the airshow circuit. After a few weeks on the islands and having successfully purchased the Huey Ian and Jane decided they like the place and the pace of life and decided to make the Falklands their home.
Over the years they had slowly restored the Huey and planned to start a service on the islands. But then the oil boom started and they found themselves flying people and parts out the resupply ships and rigs. They was making money and living in a place they both loved.
With the coming of the conflict Jane and Ian had been given the rank of Flight Lieutenants in the fledgling ADF This meant that if push come to shove they would be entitled to fly support missions in the Huey. The Huey also now supported the new ADF roundels on its hastily painted fuselage and had the tactical callsign of Hopper 3.
As Jane approached the Sunset 1 platform having been cleared into the helipad she caught sight of a fast moving object out to the west, before she had time to even blink the object had crossed her nose and slammed into the rigs superstructure with a brilliant explosion and fireball. The shock wave hit the Huey and it 'bucked' wildly before Jane regained control. After checking all her instruments to make sure that all was okay with the Huey she looked back to the rig, it was on fire and a big plume of smoke was issuing from the area to the left of the helipad. "Jesus" Jane said to herself not quite believing what she was looking at.
"Sunset 1 platform, this is Hopper 3" Jane shouted over the radio, she got no reply and tried again, nothing. Jane switched to the AWACs frequency on the second VHF radio "Mayday Mayday Mayday, this is Hopper 3"
"Hopper 3 this is Spiker 1"
"Spiker 1 I'm half a mile short of the Sunset 1 platform and there's been an explosion, I think the rigs been hit by a missile, I can't raise them on VHF"
"Roger that Hopper 3 have you got enough fuel to stay in the area, we are inbound to you and will be there in 20 minutes"
"Yes Spiker 1I have enough fuel for 30 minutes on station, longer if I divert to Sunset 2"
" Roger Hopper 3, keep us informed we'll be with you soon".
Title: Re: A new Falklands conflict? An ongoing project.
Post by: sotoolslinger on January 11, 2009, 12:29:29 PM
I think you did an excellent job  :thumbsup: Considering what a putty sucker this kit was it turned out really cool.  :mellow: Love that Paintjob :wub: