This GB proposal is intended to build any subject based on 'Made in France' producs or in french markings.
:cheers: :party: :thumbsup:
Lately I have been toying with seveal ideas in this subject:
Armour.
- AMX-30 and Leopard were designed in response to an international NATO request. During trials, Leopard performed better in mobility parameters, but AMX-30 won in accuracy and fire power. Thus an AMX turret with Leopard hull was proposed. Years later Spanish army studied this possibility as a way to improve AMX-30 poor mobility. None of these projects went to fruition but I have been working in this subject. Pics soon.
Aircrafts.
- Any of those Gothic 'multiposte' aircraft would be cool. What does BdaB think about?
- What about AdA'46?
- What if Dassault did not have access to Fairey delta wing technology? I am working in a conventional wing plan Mirage-III
- Mirage-3000 this project is mentioned in Paul Jackson Mirage book as a development of Mirage-2000 powered by a pair of RB-199. Currently thinking on styrene, more data to come ( http://www.amazon.com/Mirage-Modern-combat-aircraft-Jackson/dp/0711015120/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217866079&sr=8-4 ).
- Match 3 Mirage. Someone posted info in this forum recently.
- A pair of Mirage-4000 in construction in this forum.
- An eventual further greater Mirage-5000 I have in my mind.
- Super Etendard Supersonique: doudou is currently working on; check his Profiles thread.
Please, add your own ideas, or comment these!
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How about foreign aircraft/armor in French markings? The French used a handful of Japanese aircraft in Indochina in 1945-46.
Like this Ki-43 (http://frank.bol.ucla.edu/ki43.htm) that I built, with homemade markings. There's a fairly inexpensive Ki-43III made by AML that would make an even better base kit (the French used more Ki43IIIs than IIs).
A Whatif Ki-46 Dinah in french markings would be cool (they did have one, but it had a landing gear malfunction on its ferry flight)
Frank
^^^^^
Of course, anything in frech markings will be accepted. I like your Hayabusa and I agree with you in the Dinah idea, I would add Hayate :wub:.
Additionaly there were nice Fw-190s and Ju-88 in french service ... I am listening a voice that tell something about Me-262 :wub:
In the armour field, Panther, ...
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Another one I could happily support, I have a pair of 1:48 Mirage F1's (runs the Hunter very close for the title 'My Favourite Jet') and whilst one will be 'Real World', tho other certainly wont !! ..... And speaking of Hunters, what about those F6's the Armee de l'Air used in Algeria in the early sixties :wacko:
Ian
Was Hunter involved in Suez Crisis?
DEFINITELY !
RAF F5's - the Sapphire engined ones - flying from Akritiri, Cyprus flew cover for FAA Sea Venoms & Wyverns, wearing yellow/black invasion stripes, however - depending upon which account you read - there was a shortage of yellow & black paint on the island, so some flew with a dark cream/creme emulsion paint in place of the three yellow stripes and either Dk Green or nothing at all in place of the two black stripes !
Ian
So a hunter in french roundels, yellow/black stripes and that frech tactical camo scheme used in SMB2 and described as: green, chesnut and dark stone will be just perfect.
BTW, Ian, can you throw some light on the mentioned scheme? I am not sure about colours.
Thanks,
Carlos.
A GB with France being the issue, "Quelle bonne idée!" :lol:
Finding the idea worth it, I'll post some profiles here from time to time too.
As ysi_maniac said it, I'm currently working on the Super Etendard Supersonique. So here is an example.
As I explained in my profile thread, India and Brazil where looking for new aircraft carriers at the beginning of the new century.
Brazil bought the ex-Marine Nationale Foch and India choosed to purchase the Clemenceau.
The Indian Navy would be equipped of Super Etendard Supersonique as part of the deal and would later buy a small number of Rafale (in fact the Rafale could only be used with a limited weight from those aircraft carriers meaning it was limited to the air defence fighter/interceptor role).
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi193.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz29%2Fdavidtou%2FSuperEtendardSupersonique_IndianNav.png&hash=454c058b89740d8629e7b2457579cfe9e8855ebb)
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David.
^^^^^
But russian aircrafts in Normandie-Niemen markings would be accetable.
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Here is a Mirage 3000 of the Hellenic Air Force.
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David.
I'd be up for this one so long as it's open to aircraft from all eras. Here's some butchery I did recently to a Caudron 714. I call it the Caudron Condor (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,21392.0.html):
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Brian da Basher
Quote from: Brian da Basher on September 12, 2008, 07:18:36 AM
... as it's open to aircraft from all eras.
Even Charlemagne or Napoleon eras ;D
Seriously.
Vercingetorix?
B-47 Stratojet in AdA camouflage and markings? Armed with the AN-22 or AN-52 free fall nuclear bomb? I would hope that qualifies.
^^^^^^^^ Of course :thumbsup: , but ... which camo? :huh:
Quote from: ysi_maniac on September 25, 2008, 04:58:50 AM^^^^^^^^ Of course :thumbsup: , but ... which camo? :huh:
Wrap around camouflage of course with green and gray as seen on the Mirage IV or maybe the middle east/central asia scheme as found on the Mirage III stationed in Djibouti.
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I like your idea, above all the desert in Djibouti, :rolleyes: but do not discard the scheme described below. :rolleyes:
Quote from: ysi_maniac on August 05, 2008, 12:01:29 PM
So a hunter in french roundels, yellow/black stripes and that frech tactical camo scheme used in SMB2 and described as: green, chesnut and dark stone will be just perfect.
BTW, Ian, can you throw some light on the mentioned scheme? I am not sure about colours.
Thanks,
Carlos.
This is a RW project that is posted here just for inspiration.
IMO The French camo in early WWII is cool, but the Vichy high visibility additions are something that must be done :thumbsup:
This plane is deployed in Syria.
I'm up for this - give me an excuse to do my F.105 in Djibuti scheme
Absolutely gorgeous, Carlos! You've captured the look perfectly, especially that tough-to-get-right AdA camo!
:thumbsup:
Brian da Basher
What if Dassault did not know about Fairey Delta studies? Swept wing Mirage? :wub:
Quote from: nev on September 12, 2008, 09:10:01 AM
Vercingetorix?
Haha, nice!
OK, we could call it....Francorama? France-O-Rama? Gaul-O-Rama?
I wondered who would pick up on that ;)
Love the title of this thread.
Don't forget Joan of Arc, crashed down in flames... and Ravaillac, who lost its wings and tail in midair.
F-105 in Djibouti scheme... love this idea. Obviously the next step after the F-100. Browse "Michel Crocci " paint sheme on Google : he turned its F-100 into a "shark" in 1978.
What about a space shuttle in AdA markings, in a Moonraker alt-timeline ?
Quote from: ysi_maniac on October 17, 2008, 06:02:10 AMWhat if Dassault did not know about Fairey Delta studies? Swept wing Mirage? :wub:
Swept wing Mirage? Can you say Entendard IV and Super Entendard?
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No. She will be as beautiful (or even more) and as supersonic as Mirage-III :o :rolleyes: :thumbsup:
Just gone back through this thread, and I'm really wrestling with all the possibilities I could build out of my stash. It would be one of the hardest modelling choices I would ever make..... Out of all the Rafales, SM2's, Mirages, which one would I build..... Ahh what's the point, I'll build them all.... eventually !!
Ian
(Hmmmm, Haven't mentioned Audrey Tautou for a while..... Oh there y'go, I just did ! :wub:)
One of my pet ideas has the Panavia nations buying Mirage 2000/4000s to variously replace Starfighters or instead of Tornado F.3s, the other half of the deal being that France buys the Tornado. To compensate for the disparity in numbers (800+ Mirages going one way vs 200 Tornados going the other), the Mirages have lots of local content and specific national systems/weapons, but the French Tornados are pretty much off the shelf.
Should fit right into this GB....
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi107.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm309%2FChernayaAkula%2FEmoticons%2Fflag_france.gif&hash=34470063bd49b2cab3faada3581d7954df4ccb17)"Allons enfants de la Patrie!" (https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi107.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm309%2FChernayaAkula%2FEmoticons%2Fflag_france.gif&hash=34470063bd49b2cab3faada3581d7954df4ccb17)
Some inspiration. Not actually French, but from an anime. As Greg noted, the camo looks decidedly French, though. So how about un dragon français pour le GB? :wacko:
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More pics of the Area 88 Draken >>HERE<< (http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=207882).
Hey, isn;t there a series of books about the Napoleonic Wars being fought with Dragons?
I'm tempted to go for a really crazy idea and build a couple of scientists studying a Menhir in puzzlment, trying to work out why the words 'Obelix Wuz 'Ere' have been carved into it, entitled "What is they where historical documents?"
Quote from: puddingwrestler on April 24, 2010, 04:17:57 PM
Hey, isn;t there a series of books about the Napoleonic Wars being fought with Dragons?
Yes, the "Temeraire" series by Naomi Novik. Well worth reading, :thumbsup:
WOW that Draken is superb! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :bow: :bow:
im thinking of an Aeronavale F-14A Tomcat, on board the Foch ;D
Quote from: Nils on June 05, 2010, 11:56:26 PM
im thinking of an Aeronavale F-14A Tomcat, on board the Foch ;D
I always thought Foch was to small for Tomcats. It was certainly too small for Phantoms which is why the french went for the Crusader instead. Still the tomcat WAS more powerful so that could compensate somewhat for lack of deck length couldn't it?
Quote from: lancer on June 06, 2010, 04:23:29 AM
Quote from: Nils on June 05, 2010, 11:56:26 PM
im thinking of an Aeronavale F-14A Tomcat, on board the Foch ;D
I always thought Foch was to small for Tomcats. It was certainly too small for Phantoms which is why the french went for the Crusader instead. Still the tomcat WAS more powerful so that could compensate somewhat for lack of deck length couldn't it?
I think you will find the Tomcat would still be impossible for the Foch as we know it - of course if the Foch itself was a larger whiff...
Regards,
Greg
Magnificent Draaken - congratulations! :thumbsup:
W.R.T. Tomcats on the Foch, it's not the takeoff, it's the landing. Maybe you could fire up the afterburner on catapulting off, but the landing deck of the Foch is not long enough. The more recent Charles de Gaulle had to have its landing deck extended so it could land E-2s.
So, instead, why not MiG-29Ks?
How about PA-58 Verdun which was intended to operate a Naval strike bomber. This was a carrier bassed upon an enlarged Foch design, and would have allowed for a larger airgroup and heavier aircraft. The Foch class had the misfortune to be designed and built in the 50's before Naval aircraft started to jump in size, weight and performance :banghead:
G
That Draken is superb.
Wouldn't a TSR2 look great in that scheme?
And also.....what about a flying Richlieu?? :party:
C'est magnifique, mais ici un D.520
J'ai une idee pour quelquechose de la deuxieme guerre mondiale avec extra oomph
Bon sang, on dirait qu'il faut maintenant parler français :thumbsup: (Damn, it seems that we must speak in french now.)
non.
Je parle it only un peu.
Got a Revell Gannet that might make it to the build, as it'd look good in desert camo, but other possibilities are:
F-86F
Suez French Navy P-38
Vichy Bf-109K
;D
I'm thinking about this one, but it could be somewhat subversive...
Quote from: Radish on July 09, 2010, 01:04:10 AM
non.
Je parle it only un peu.
Got a Revell Gannet that might make it to the build, as it'd look good in desert camo, but other possibilities are:
F-86F
Suez French Navy P-38
Vichy Bf-109K
;D
Vichy Bf109K (with sexy stripes :wub:)
Bon. Already worked out the story, scheme, etc.. and the kit is in the stash (in 1/48th) about 6 times over. I think it's a "go!!"
Of course, other possibilities remain, or as suggestions for others:
Vichy Beaufighter X
F-107
BAC Lightning F.6
Seafire 47
Beriev Be-6
Me 262 in Vichy colours??
Vichy's stripes are always sexy! :wub: :thumbsup:
In the other hand, F-86 and EE Lightning must be seriously considered. :mellow:
Got some ideas......yes....definite ideas.....and decals, kits, time....
How about a Ki-84 Hayate... in Aeronavale markings..... over Suez? :wacko:
like i said elsewhere im planning on a SU25 Froggy Frogfoot ;D...........2 tone brown dezzy cam.............just need to find the time now :angry:
D'accord j'ai in! (sorry my French is rudimentary at best)
A bit of inspiration:
And just when you thought a Mirage 2000 couldn't possibly get any more sexier, Zacto did this marvellous profile of a Mirage 2000 in Vichy markings.
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SOURCE (http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?s=&showtopic=130242&view=findpost&p=1289972)
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Quote from: ysi_maniac on July 09, 2010, 10:17:10 AM
Vichy's stripes are always sexy! :wub: :thumbsup:
In the other hand, F-86 and EE Lightning must be seriously considered. :mellow:
Vichy stripes on Lightning! :wub:
*faints*
Moi aussi, mes braves.
;D ;D
What about a COIN/CAS version of the Breguet Alizé with wing guns and rockets/bombs etc for use either over Vietnam (assuming the French stayed there) or Algeria?
Regards,
Greg
^ How about some UH-1 gunships or even AH-1Gs for use by French Army Aviation there.
How about Ki-84s in Indochina (as the did fly some Ki-43s).
Spitfire F.22s in Indochina? War-weary like the Mk IXs and toting bomb-loads?
Fw 190Fs in Indochina or Algeria?
PB4Y-2 Privateer in photo-recon version mapping Africa?